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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #825 on: November 18, 2018, 01:53:05 PM »
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You have advertised your main skill is that you are good at reading people.

So: interpret this statement for me, by Sheridan. He's writing what he claims he said to the FBI agent when interviewed.
It's from the July 2007 Smokejumper article

What does this statement mean? Why did Sheridan think and/or write it?

"There was also an 18-knot wind. Not being a skydiver,
he probably opened the chute immediately, and at 10,000
feet, the wind would have carried him possibly 30 miles out
over the Columbia River. I'm assuming that there would be
a downdraft over the river sucking him into the water. That
probably accounts for the $500 found buried in the sand
along the shore. The bills were traced to the money D.B. had
stolen."
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #826 on: November 18, 2018, 01:55:28 PM »
You have to put together a series of events, to come up with any kind of reason for Sheridan to write 30 miles.

And then, even if you put together those events, it only makes sense for a whuffo...not for an experienced skydiver.

Tell me why you think he wrote 30 miles?

I'm actually assuming he didn't say 30 miles when he talked to Fryar, but put that in the article later.
If he actually said it to Fryar during the interview, it's even more fascinating, and requires a different set of events for it to have appeared in Sheridan's brain for any reason.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #827 on: November 18, 2018, 01:58:58 PM »
Another thing:

Why did Sheridan write 18 knot wind?
Where did he get that info? From Fryar? From ?

If I ask most people here, "What was the wind at exit, and what was the ground wind"...
I don't think people would give a firm number

Where did Sheridan get his number? And why would he remember it? Or write it?
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #828 on: November 18, 2018, 02:34:59 PM »
Snow, I think there are a couple of interesting things going on here.

I've mentioned that Sheridan has a tendency to drop off digits when writing numbers. For example, the $500 figure should read $5,000. The 30 mile comment could be the mistake of adding a zero which means he actually meant 3 miles. Or, I think this is more likely, it's a red herring. the typical way that Sheridan says something that implies he's  completely out of touch. I mean, let's do the math: An 18 knot wind with a 30-mile drift means he would have to stay aloft for 30 minutes. He knows damn well this is not possible.

Mentioning the 18-knot wind is also indicative of Sheridan in that he always gets very precise when arguing a point. For example, in an old DZ post Sheridan complained that Bruce's book (or something along that line) had like 26 errors or something like that in it. Nonetheless, a very precise and odd number.

Frankly, I'm not certain why Sheridan wrote the article. In an odd way I think he craves the attention but tries not to get burned. Another example of this is the Sutter Health bio piece from 2014.

A couple of things that I find interesting relate to the original note handed to Flo in the envelop. She stated that it was written in neat and easy-to-read handwriting. Sheridan's handwriting is very neat. Also, the note was written on unlined white paper, in other words, typewriter paper. I find this an interesting point given that Sheridan was writing (typing) his book during that period of time in Nepal.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #829 on: November 18, 2018, 02:41:39 PM »
Okay,
Tell me why 3 miles makes any sense, in Sherdian's brain.

Specifically, why 3 miles would lead to Cooper landing in the Columbia near Tena Bar.

Or, why does it make sense to say that to you? You seem to be rationalizing Sheridan with your extra-0 comment.
But that would mean you're morphing it to something that makes sense to you?

Why does it make sense to you that Sheridan would say that? With or without two extra zeroes which is the "defense" you're claiming.



 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #830 on: November 18, 2018, 02:42:52 PM »
So with the 18 knot number, you're saying Sheridan read it from a newspaper article?
or what?

Are you saying Sheridan was an avid reader of Cooper newspaper articles? or books? or ??
when? before or after Fryar?
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #831 on: November 18, 2018, 02:44:47 PM »
Where is this?
I've never seen anything that says that Sheridan read Bruce's book. That would be interesting if true.
Sheridan read the interview Bruce did of his brother (who I think is now dead?)
I don't remember him counting errors though.

EU said:
"in an old DZ post Sheridan complained that Bruce's book (or something along that line) had like 26 errors or something like that in it. Nonetheless, a very precise and odd number."
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #832 on: November 18, 2018, 02:46:45 PM »
Unlined white paper is not typewriter paper necessarily.

Geez. That's dumb?

People write letters all the time (at least in the old days) on unlined white paper.

What was the size of the unlined white paper? I'm not sure you know?
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #833 on: November 18, 2018, 02:46:58 PM »
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Where is this?
I've never seen anything that says that Sheridan read Bruce's book. That would be interesting if true.
Sheridan read the interview Bruce did of his brother (who I think is now dead?)
I don't remember him counting errors though.

EU said:
"in an old DZ post Sheridan complained that Bruce's book (or something along that line) had like 26 errors or something like that in it. Nonetheless, a very precise and odd number."

When he spoke with me he actually said there were X number of lies written about him by Bruce in his book.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #834 on: November 18, 2018, 02:48:02 PM »
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Unlined white paper is not typewriter paper necessarily.

Geez. That's dumb?

People write letters all the time (at least in the old days) on unlined white paper.

What was the size of the unlined white paper? I'm not sure you know?

Flo says letter-sized.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #835 on: November 18, 2018, 02:48:30 PM »
Okay, there was no DZ post.
You're saying in a telephone conversation with Sheridan, he said he had read Bruce's book.

See, this is the problem with you not being a journalist. Bruce would have captured that detail in any interview he wrote up.
You seem to just focus on the things that are important to you, not focusing on "capturing the moment"
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #836 on: November 18, 2018, 02:56:15 PM »
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Okay, there was no DZ post.
You're saying in a telephone conversation with Sheridan, he said he had read Bruce's book.

See, this is the problem with you not being a journalist. Bruce would have captured that detail in any interview he wrote up.
You seem to just focus on the things that are important to you, not focusing on "capturing the moment"

I listen very carefully to everything. I pay a lot of attention to detail. That doesn't mean I write about everything.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #837 on: November 18, 2018, 02:56:38 PM »
Do you have a snippet that says the size of the letter?

This snippet attached just says the envelope was "plain, white letter-type"
It doesn't say what the size of the note was.

"note was written on plain white unlined paper"

If Cooper had an envelope (which was not needed for typing a book) he could have gotten any kind of white paper when he got the envelope.

Seems like you've lost your mind and are trying to stretch for details that make a story.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #838 on: November 18, 2018, 02:58:18 PM »

Exactly. That's what I mean by you not being a journalist.
A journalist captures history, trying to do so without bias.
You run everything thru your biased filter. You decide some things are important, and some aren't.
That's not as good as a journalist.

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« Reply #839 on: November 18, 2018, 03:01:06 PM »
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Seems like you've lost your mind and are trying to stretch for details that make a story.

Snow, if you're going to be an ass don't bother speaking to me.
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