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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #300 on: August 06, 2018, 04:05:10 PM »
Or check the videos. I've met Grey Cop, and I've seen Eric's videos. Two different guys.

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #301 on: August 06, 2018, 04:16:25 PM »
Greycup can't spell worth a shit..his grammar is 20 times worse than mine. he would have trouble posing as a 6 year old..he always puts Eng. and Carr into his comments stating they both told him he was right about Christiansen. he's just not smart enough to hide his identity..
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #302 on: August 06, 2018, 10:47:14 PM »
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Don't be a hater georger. Take a deep breath. Smile a little. Life is good.

So GREYCOP .... now that you are here as EU, how's it going there in Vancouver. Seen any UFO's lately?

You take a deep breath, GREYCOP!

Whats your plan, Hombre?  Tie us up for months like you did Dropzone?  With shit like: "Don't be a hater georger. Take a deep breath. Smile a little. Life is good."

When will you announce again you have solved the case!? Do you plan new press releases? From Wackoville at Vancouver? How long did you think you could get away with this and fool people? You do have no shame so we have to assume you are here until kicked off - good luck with that GreyCop.

Georger you certainly make this forum interesting. Even with the insults you hurl I still like you...and everyone else for that matter.

Sorry to disappoint, I am not, nor have I ever been, GreyCop. However, I am a wagering man and I see an opportunity. I suggest that if you're really certain that you're right about me being GreyCop that we place a "$100 charity-of-our-choice" wager on this. In other words, when you lose, you donate $100 to the legitimate charity of my choice. Obviously, Shutter should be able to verify whether I am GreyCop or not.

Your move.

I can also verify that EU is not GreyCop.

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #303 on: August 06, 2018, 10:48:45 PM »
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"you can't eliminate Hahneman because his passport said 5' 8" (no shoes and rounded/truncated)

Obviously, it was me who started this whole "elimination" thing..I read where the FBI stated he was 5' 8" and that's why I said what I said..Fly kept posting that you can't eliminate on only that over and over...he posted a few things and I stated that I was interested but still had to prove he wasn't 5' 8". I'm sure the FBI looked at him as well, I don't know for sure.

I see a difference in M.O. the use of extreme violence..Cooper was cool as a cucumber. sickness could be a factor but your personality will still come through. I just don't think Cooper would go that route and probably would of been in trouble if he was cornered..one hijacker finally settled for a sandwich  :rofl:

people with suspects change..anger steps in, not everyone does this but more than a couple. Jo gets angry, Nicky and the other guy who's name fails me..Robert Blevins is the king of anger when discussing suspects. Marla Cooper is another..the Peterson gang seems to be peaceful lol..R.I.P. Sail..EU has stepped in and appears to be normal...

cover ups? possible. it appears they did that with the escape from Alcatraz..I bring this up often because I like that case as well. it's another mystery on survival..if the latest story is true the escape was right in front of them..they stole extension cord from the dock and road out on the boat that brought them to Alcatraz..very simple but nobody could of figured it out..even with the cord reported stolen, on an island...reports of a stolen car the next day buried in the archives. a raft found on Angel island..

by the way...the comment was not to anger Flyjack it's what I came to the conclusion of..

Note: I'm not making fun of Sail if anyone reads into it that way...I meant they are a peaceful group..
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #304 on: August 06, 2018, 11:26:15 PM »
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Don't be a hater georger. Take a deep breath. Smile a little. Life is good.

So GREYCOP .... now that you are here as EU, how's it going there in Vancouver. Seen any UFO's lately?

You take a deep breath, GREYCOP!

Whats your plan, Hombre?  Tie us up for months like you did Dropzone?  With shit like: "Don't be a hater georger. Take a deep breath. Smile a little. Life is good."

When will you announce again you have solved the case!? Do you plan new press releases? From Wackoville at Vancouver? How long did you think you could get away with this and fool people? You do have no shame so we have to assume you are here until kicked off - good luck with that GreyCop.

Georger you certainly make this forum interesting. Even with the insults you hurl I still like you...and everyone else for that matter.

Sorry to disappoint, I am not, nor have I ever been, GreyCop. However, I am a wagering man and I see an opportunity. I suggest that if you're really certain that you're right about me being GreyCop that we place a "$100 charity-of-our-choice" wager on this. In other words, when you lose, you donate $100 to the legitimate charity of my choice. Obviously, Shutter should be able to verify whether I am GreyCop or not.

Your move.

My move? Who is plotting here? Is this some kind of game for you?

Just ignore my posts. People can and will discuss the difference between paper and currency, without your interference or input. Some of us are here to examine the DB Cooper case and for no other reason. Why are you here? Your move.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #305 on: August 07, 2018, 03:51:57 AM »
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I spoke with Richard Fazio a few times over the last few days. He sent me the following picture which he described as the spot where the money was found. The small tree with the stake next to it just north (downriver) of the money find spot provides an excellent marker for identifying the location on old photos. Richard also mentioned that during the annual Spring runoff the entire beach gets washed over by the river.

For those who do not believe that the money was deliberately buried in a hole on Tena Bar it's worth asking: What else was found buried during the FBI dig? Or for that matter, any beach dig. After all, there should be all types of debris such as newspapers, magazines, paper plates (which are loosely similar to currency) buried in the sand from years ago. Certainly money is not the only paper item that would have washed up on Tena Bar over the years.

I suspect there was very little if anything else found because people don't bury such items and such items don't bury themselves for years on a beach prone to significant erosion.

"Paper" currency is not paper, it is a cotton/linen blend. Paper would disintegrate very quickly...


Correct FLYJACK, cotton/linen paper currency would not deteriorate like the other items mentioned...newspapers, magazines, paper plates.  I still can't believe EU thinks it was a bury at Tina Bar, in spite of the overwhelming reality of all them shards.  Believe something not quite there in spite of the evidence to the contrary -- that's been going on around here for quite some time now.

Meyer

Indeed, I'm firmly planting my flag in the "Sheridan Peterson buried--and later recovered--the money at Tena Bar" camp.

Just don't use the paper comp, it doesn't help your theory.



Good one, FLYJACK.   

I rest my case, this EU guy is going to dig in and stand by his theory despite them thar shards getting in the way of his erroneous logic and conclusions.  How many people have tried this approach over the years -- they stick to their theory despite incontrovertible evidence against it?  Keep the faith.

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #306 on: August 07, 2018, 09:04:27 PM »
Guys....lets give the attacks a break for a while....
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #307 on: August 07, 2018, 10:25:22 PM »
Ok, got timed out after posting...

I remove a post due to it being reported. actually, I removed two. the insults have continued for sometime now..taking a poke here and there is usually not bad but it's progressed...before my phone died today I read the post that was removed and will check the comment made about the video on T-bar to see what was said..

we really need to put all of this effort into working together vs against one another..I can't help it if I disagree with someone. I'm nobody, just a guy with a forum. I'm not as involved as I use to be due to my workload. plus, I need a break just as anyone else does sometimes..

I got home a little over an hour ago...emails, PM's, phone messages, hungry, filthy from welding steel etc. trying to sort everything out..it's like I was gone for a week...

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #308 on: August 07, 2018, 10:49:19 PM »
The agent digging in the background in the B&W photo is the same agent who found the piece of money. it appears he has 3 articles of clothing that can be seen in the screenshot taken from the video. blue, white, and plaid..

this is what I have established so far..
 

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« Reply #309 on: August 07, 2018, 11:47:09 PM »
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The agent digging in the background in the B&W photo is the same agent who found the piece of money. it appears he has 3 articles of clothing that can be seen in the screenshot taken from the video. blue, white, and plaid..

this is what I have established so far..

Let me go to the KATU frames to make some sense out of this.

I can tell you two things in advance. There are three plaid shirts in the photo below! None of these people is Schreuder who was one of the agents interviewed holding pieces in the video. You can judge the size and depth of the hole in the photo. 

At first glance I believe the red dot agent is the same agent in the second video frame below, based on the pattern on the shirt .............. but Im not 100% sure; that s why I want to go back and look at frames. From the 2nd photo youc an make some judgement about the depth of that hole.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #310 on: August 08, 2018, 12:00:04 AM »
I don't believe any of them are Schreuder...the pic I posted you can clearly see the same blue ban or long john's...

same dude in the same hole...one's a photo and the other is video..
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« Reply #311 on: August 08, 2018, 12:37:19 AM »
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I don't believe any of them are Schreuder...the pic I posted you can clearly see the same blue ban or long john's...

same dude in the same hole...one's a photo and the other is video..

That's right. Im not even sure which day these photos come from. But, Dorwin was not at Tina Bar after noon of the second day because he got called away to perform his regular duty as a "psych negotiator" in a new emergency that came up] and he only returned to Tina Bar briefly for a visit, before the excavation ended.    In that regard note Dorwin's dress vs everyone else digging. Except for the first day Dorwin was 'on call' and dressed accordingly. Dorwin never had a plaid shirt on at Tina Bar .. he stowed his trench coat at the car and rolled up his sleeves on his white dress shit, took his tie off. His dress was distinctive vs all the crew digging during his whole time at Tina Bar. Supervisory people were in suits.   

Two people showed pieces to the camera man and KATU reporter as they were found. Agent W and then Agent S during the first day. Both were in different places relative to the Ingram find. You can make some judgement about the locations and depth of holes by these video frames. Im not sure Shutter but could that be the angled tree near the Ingram location, up the hill in the background behind Dorwin?

Any contention that only one person (the same person) showed pieces, is just wrong.  And nobody was working in his or her long johns although I am sure a few were tempted!  :)
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #312 on: August 08, 2018, 12:16:08 PM »
I'm not certain what the above discussions are attempting to ascertain. In my previous post I stated the following:

"Also, you should note that the agent (standing near the middle of the picture, wearing a plaid shirt, with dark brown hair, turned away from the camera and with his right shirt sleeve rolled up to his elbow thereby revealing a shirt underneath the plaid shirt) is the same agent who discovers the small piece of currency during the filming of the newscast footage that is available on this site."

Indeed, as demonstrated by the picture Shutter later posted (also posted below), the agent noted above is the same agent who found the shard while filming was taking place.

There is also additional footage that briefly shows an agent (white long-sleeve shirt, black pocket protector, black gloves--not Schreuder) looking at what may be another piece of currency (not certain). Regardless, this agent is on a lot of the other footage throughout the news coverage so it is very easy to determine where he was digging in relation to the "plaid shirt, blue sleeve" agent. In fact, they're digging in the same larger hole and appear to be about five to ten feet from each other.

Finally, the footage with Schreuder being interviewed merely shows him displaying all of the pieces that have been found by all of the agents collectively.
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« Reply #313 on: August 08, 2018, 12:31:41 PM »
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I'm not certain what the above discussions are attempting to ascertain. In my previous post I stated the following:

"Also, you should note that the agent (standing near the middle of the picture, wearing a plaid shirt, with dark brown hair, turned away from the camera and with his right shirt sleeve rolled up to his elbow thereby revealing a shirt underneath the plaid shirt) is the same agent who discovers the small piece of currency during the filming of the newscast footage that is available on this site."

Indeed, as demonstrated by the picture Shutter later posted (also posted below), the agent noted above is the same agent who found the shard while filming was taking place.

There is also additional footage that briefly shows an agent (white long-sleeve shirt, black pocket protector, black gloves--not Schreuder) looking at what may be another piece of currency (not certain). Regardless, this agent is on a lot of the other footage throughout the news coverage so it is very easy to determine where he was digging in relation to the "plaid shirt, blue sleeve" agent. In fact, they're digging in the same larger hole and appear to be about five to ten feet from each other.

Finally, the footage with Schreuder being interviewed merely shows him displaying all of the pieces that have been found by all of the agents collectively.

Therefore ... ?  What's your point? What are you trying to say?

The sand that's on the beach is the same sand that's on the beach.

Are you trying to say only one guy found a piece in a hole near the Ingram find and it was subdivided into a few pieces by somebody then shown to the press by Schreuder ?

Will this take more than a month to say clearly?

Should we check back in a week?
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« Reply #314 on: August 08, 2018, 01:24:38 PM »
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I'm not certain what the above discussions are attempting to ascertain. In my previous post I stated the following:

"Also, you should note that the agent (standing near the middle of the picture, wearing a plaid shirt, with dark brown hair, turned away from the camera and with his right shirt sleeve rolled up to his elbow thereby revealing a shirt underneath the plaid shirt) is the same agent who discovers the small piece of currency during the filming of the newscast footage that is available on this site."

Indeed, as demonstrated by the picture Shutter later posted (also posted below), the agent noted above is the same agent who found the shard while filming was taking place.

There is also additional footage that briefly shows an agent (white long-sleeve shirt, black pocket protector, black gloves--not Schreuder) looking at what may be another piece of currency (not certain). Regardless, this agent is on a lot of the other footage throughout the news coverage so it is very easy to determine where he was digging in relation to the "plaid shirt, blue sleeve" agent. In fact, they're digging in the same larger hole and appear to be about five to ten feet from each other.

Finally, the footage with Schreuder being interviewed merely shows him displaying all of the pieces that have been found by all of the agents collectively.

Therefore ... ?  What's your point?

The sand that's on the beach is the same sand that's on the beach.

Wow, the condescension never stops with you Georger. Sheridan is the same way. Hey...has anyone ever seen Georger, Sheridan and DB Cooper in the same place at the same time? We could have a break through in this case.

Now to answer your question:

I contend that the money was deliberately buried on Tena Bar. Some have stated that this cannot be true because money was found in many different locations on the beach. I have seen nothing that supports the assertion that there were multiple money find locations.

As noted in my report and on this forum, I have discussed the money find with Richard Fazio several times. He is adamant that everything that was found was found in the immediate vicinity of the original money find spot. He may have mentioned that some tiny fragments were found along the tide line (I cannot recall). Nonetheless, I would expect some fragments on the tide line given that the occasional wave action stripped away the sand over the money and presumably took some of the fragments with it as well.

That said, nothing of substance was found buried on some other part of Tena Bar as far as I've been able to determine.

HERE'S WHERE MY POINT ABOUT THE PICTURE COMES IN...WAIT FOR IT...

Even the news footage, which actually shows a small buried piece being unearthed, proves that this piece was found right by the original money find spot. Remember, the picture I posted from Richard Fazio (posted below) is THE spot that the money was found according to the man who was there and owns the beach. Furthermore, the news footage helps us identify the agent who actually unearthed the small piece of currency, and, we also see that same agent in the Fazio pic (below). Therefore, this supports Richard Fazio's assertion that the shards found were found in the same spot as the original money find.

Anyone who can materially demonstrate that pieces of currency were found buried on the beach somewhere else in addition to the original spot is welcome to post that evidence here. NOTE: Even if there was a second Tena location where money, or shards, were found buried this does not prove that the money was not buried by Cooper. After all, I expect that as he buried the money, chute, reserve, and attache case, Cooper probably dug multiple holes.

I welcome all INTELLIGENT discourse with respect to my post.

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