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Title: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 03, 2016, 11:14:10 AM
             


                                              July 10th & 11th

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8X6ixDM3Lw
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 03, 2016, 11:14:45 AM
                                              "The Colbert Report"

It sounds like these guys did there homework, but is it enough to prove they have Cooper? they leave a question mark at the end, so odds are that they don't have enough proof.

Since the suspect is alive, it debunks all the other suspects from the past. are all the past suspects on the FBI's roster dead, or is it someone they looked at in the past that is still alive?

I'm betting the first night is going to be all hype building up to there suspect, possibly going through the known suspects, and the story about Cooper.

I should look for a countdown clock  C:-)

I added a counter to the first post on this thread...still have to set it correctly..learning curve  O0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 03, 2016, 03:31:24 PM
Peterson is the only known suspect that is still alive isn't he?

For me, I really hope to see something tangible on the new suspect. If they say this guy planted the Tina Bar money, forget it. I want to see someone that knows something, not someone that suspects something. A link to the titanium on the tie would be great.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 03, 2016, 03:55:14 PM
Five years in the making, and they were still scrambling a few weeks ago? Hunh? Asking me if Russ Calame was still alive? Hmmm.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 03, 2016, 03:58:07 PM
So, who are the 36 guys on the research team? Archivists, retired detectives, investigative journalists, surveillance guys. Okay, but who are they? How could these guys operate in Cooper World for five years and no one ever hears of them - not even Bobby, apparently.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 03, 2016, 04:00:20 PM
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So, who are the 36 guys on the research team? Archivists, retired detectives, investigative journalists, surveillance guys. Okay, but who are they? How could these guys operate in Cooper World for five years and no one ever hears of them - not even Bobby, apparently.


Don't be so sure that nobody ever heard of them. sometimes people don't like to make waves. they work in the background.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 03, 2016, 04:37:31 PM
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Five years in the making, and they were still scrambling a few weeks ago? Hunh? Asking me if Russ Calame was still alive? Hmmm.

Try an imagine the pressure, and strain he's probably under. they might be a little tight on closing things up, so I doubt they are "scrambling" ..they are basically trying to say they have Cooper...that's a pretty heavy load ! his email to me the other day stated he was pretty busy getting ready for the show.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 04, 2016, 01:52:31 AM
If ya got him, ya got him. If not, ya don't. People who scramble generally don't got 'em. That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 04, 2016, 01:55:39 AM
On a related note - the fact that the 36 guys were wearing suits in the teaser is impressive. I had to really scramble to find a clean shirt with a collar for the LMNO Skype call...

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 04, 2016, 01:40:41 PM
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Peterson is the only known suspect that is still alive isn't he?

Yep, forgot about Peterson  :P
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 04, 2016, 11:48:46 PM
Could this be there suspect in the photo below? this was taken from the "sneak peek" video..two pictures can be seen pinned on a bulletin board with maps on it...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 05, 2016, 02:38:11 AM
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Could this be there suspect in the photo below? this was taken from the "sneak peek" video..two pictures can be seen pinned on a bulletin board with maps on it...

prints and dna will tell.  :))   If it ever gets that far!  C:-)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 05, 2016, 03:47:19 AM
Who ever it is appears to be a jumper. the photo on the table in the "sneak Peek' shows 4 jumpers on the side of a Cessna..if that segment is really about there suspect...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 05, 2016, 03:56:35 AM
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Could this be there suspect in the photo below? this was taken from the "sneak peek" video..two pictures can be seen pinned on a bulletin board with maps on it...

prints and dna will tell.  :))   If it ever gets that far!  C:-)


Does anyone know if the current FBI is aware of what these guys are doing? strange that they go through the media before the FBI?
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Post by: nmiwrecks on July 05, 2016, 08:35:13 AM
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Could this be there suspect in the photo below? this was taken from the "sneak peek" video..two pictures can be seen pinned on a bulletin board with maps on it...

prints and dna will tell.  :))   If it ever gets that far!  C:-)


Does anyone know if the current FBI is aware of what these guys are doing? strange that they go through the media before the FBI?

This may answer your question:    O0    O0      O0
Elite Cold Case Team Delivers D.B. Cooper to the FBI (http://tjcconsulting.biz/2016/05/dbcooper/)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 05, 2016, 08:56:46 AM
I guess they made a deal with the FBI.. C:-)


“Tom and Dawna Colbert brought together a prominent group of cold case professionals from across the country to ensure they left no stone unturned during their extensive investigation. After reading this book you will be able to judge for yourself whether the D. B. Cooper case can be closed ‘beyond a reasonable doubt.'”—Thomas P. Mauriello, MFS, Professor of Criminalistics, University of Maryland, one of USA’s “Top 15 CSI Professors”

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: andrade1812 on July 05, 2016, 02:04:49 PM
History Channel Predictions:

I have no idea what suspect this cold case team has found, but I have some predictions for how things are going to be presented:

1) The suspect will be an "interesting character," someone who didn't lead the "normal life" of a job, a wife, two kids and a dog. He will be a skydiver or smokejumper, maybe a lifetime bachelor.

2) He will be wealthy, and his wealth will look inexplicable to an outsider.

3) Like so many suspects, he'll be a decent fit to the physical description and sketch.

4) He will be native to the Pacific Northwest.

5) There will be a silly or ridiculous explanation of the Tena Bar find.

6) The suspect will have cached a vehicle somewhere in the woods, or he had an accomplice.

7) There will be a mysterious injury of some kind, like a knee injury or he'll suddenly have a limp around the time of the hijacking.

8) He will be a loner, or someone very difficult to deal with, having only a few trusted friends.

9) The tie evidence might be mentioned, but they'll just say "he got it at a thrift store."

10) There will be an awkward confrontation with the suspect and an investigator, and the investigator will be certain the suspect is "hiding something" rather than the suspect just be reacting to some camera weirdo asking stupid questions.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 05, 2016, 03:41:55 PM
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History Channel Predictions:

I have no idea what suspect this cold case team has found, but I have some predictions for how things are going to be presented:

1) The suspect will be an "interesting character," someone who didn't lead the "normal life" of a job, a wife, two kids and a dog. He will be a skydiver or smokejumper, maybe a lifetime bachelor.

2) He will be wealthy, and his wealth will look inexplicable to an outsider.

3) Like so many suspects, he'll be a decent fit to the physical description and sketch.

4) He will be native to the Pacific Northwest.

5) There will be a silly or ridiculous explanation of the Tena Bar find.

6) The suspect will have cached a vehicle somewhere in the woods, or he had an accomplice.

7) There will be a mysterious injury of some kind, like a knee injury or he'll suddenly have a limp around the time of the hijacking.

8) He will be a loner, or someone very difficult to deal with, having only a few trusted friends.

9) The tie evidence might be mentioned, but they'll just say "he got it at a thrift store."

10) There will be an awkward confrontation with the suspect and an investigator, and the investigator will be certain the suspect is "hiding something" rather than the suspect just be reacting to some camera weirdo asking stupid questions.

I'd say you get more of these right than not. I'd put the over/under at 6.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 06, 2016, 04:00:14 AM
Betting Time

Over-Under: I love it Parrot-Vol. I'll go 5-5. I'll put up an autographed copy of DBC and the FBI. Whaddayagot?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 06, 2016, 04:12:55 AM
Bigger Bets, Bigger Odds

Let's add more categories:

The History Channel docu suspect will also have:

1. A link between DB Cooper and another major criminal whodunit - ie: Altacraz/Zodiac/Black Dahlia

2. There is an eyewitness who was a child in 1971; now 50-something.

3. Speaks and writes French

4. His fingerprints and DNA have never been on file

5. Trained as a smokekjumper

6. Suspect has a prior claim to minor fame, ie: was a contestant on Jeopardy, swam in the 1960 Olympics, etc.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 06, 2016, 04:18:00 AM
Side Bets

The FBI's response to the History Channel/Tom Colbert/James Forbes breaking the case will be:

1. Nothing official from James Comey.

2. Tacit approval by a non-response to Tom Fuentes' support for the TC/JF suspect.

3. Curtis Eng will say nothing.

4. In celebration for solving the case, the FBI will close off 3rd Street in Seattle and host a block party, with entertainment from Pearl Jam
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Clsoed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 06, 2016, 04:22:50 AM
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I guess they made a deal with the FBI.. C:-)


“Tom and Dawna Colbert brought together a prominent group of cold case professionals from across the country to ensure they left no stone unturned during their extensive investigation. After reading this book you will be able to judge for yourself whether the D. B. Cooper case can be closed ‘beyond a reasonable doubt.'”—Thomas P. Mauriello, MFS, Professor of Criminalistics, University of Maryland, one of USA’s “Top 15 CSI Professors”

Can anyone explain to me the difference between criminology and criminalistics? Thanks!
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Post by: georger on July 06, 2016, 01:30:43 PM
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I guess they made a deal with the FBI.. C:-)


“Tom and Dawna Colbert brought together a prominent group of cold case professionals from across the country to ensure they left no stone unturned during their extensive investigation. After reading this book you will be able to judge for yourself whether the D. B. Cooper case can be closed ‘beyond a reasonable doubt.'”—Thomas P. Mauriello, MFS, Professor of Criminalistics, University of Maryland, one of USA’s “Top 15 CSI Professors”

Can anyone explain to me the difference between criminology and criminalistics? Thanks!

Yes: Criminology is an area of sociology that focuses on the study of crimes and their causes, effects, and social impact. A criminologist's job responsibilities involve analyzing data to determine why the crime was committed and to find ways to predict, deter, and prevent further criminal behavior. Courses in Criminology are usually taught in a Sociology Dept.

Criminalisticses is just another word for Criminal Forensics, which deals with evidence gathering, processing, interpretation, and presentation.
 :))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 06, 2016, 02:58:30 PM
My bet is that Jo will quickly establish a connection between Duane Weber and the History Channel's new hot suspect... or completely attack/discredit the new suspect. One or the other. It's binary. No other outcome is possible.

377
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 06, 2016, 07:48:58 PM
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My bet is that Jo will quickly establish a connection between Duane Weber and the History Channel's new hot suspect... or completely attack/discredit the new suspect. One or the other. It's binary. No other outcome is possible.

377

Her and RMB will both go into damage control mode. Folks like Vicki, Nmiwrecks & Sailshaw will take an honest look at the new guy and not feel threatened by the idea that the person they think may be Cooper, may not actually be Cooper.
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Post by: nmiwrecks on July 06, 2016, 11:42:19 PM
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My bet is that Jo will quickly establish a connection between Duane Weber and the History Channel's new hot suspect... or completely attack/discredit the new suspect. One or the other. It's binary. No other outcome is possible.

377

Her and RMB will both go into damage control mode. Folks like Vicki, Nmiwrecks & Sailshaw will take an honest look at the new guy and not feel threatened by the idea that the person they think may be Cooper, may not actually be Cooper.

Thank you.  I consider that a very nice compliment.  I actually discussed this with another forum member a few nights ago.  I'm all about the truth, no matter what that may be.  If it's the new guy, an old suspect or even Kenny, I would be happy just to know the truth.  A couple of people aren't allowed to contribute to this forum because they only want  >:D"their truth" >:D.  And when others don't buy into  >:D"their truth" >:D, these folks can become pretty nasty.  That's not good for anybody.    O0

Speaking of the truth, if someone catches wind of a new youtube video that provides critical new information, and they pay to have the video buried, what does that say about that person(s) commitment to the truth?  Time will tell, I guess.    O0
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Post by: georger on July 06, 2016, 11:46:24 PM
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My bet is that Jo will quickly establish a connection between Duane Weber and the History Channel's new hot suspect... or completely attack/discredit the new suspect. One or the other. It's binary. No other outcome is possible.

377

Her and RMB will both go into damage control mode. Folks like Vicki, Nmiwrecks & Sailshaw will take an honest look at the new guy and not feel threatened by the idea that the person they think may be Cooper, may not actually be Cooper.

Thank you.  I consider that a very nice compliment.  I actually discussed this with another forum member a few nights ago.  I'm all about the truth, no matter what that may be.  If it's the new guy, an old suspect or even Kenny, I would be happy just to know the truth.  A couple of people aren't allowed to contribute to this forum because they only want  >:D"their truth" >:D.  And when others don't buy into  >:D"their truth" >:D, these folks can become pretty nasty.  That's not good for anybody.    O0

Speaking of the truth, if someone catches wind of a new youtube video that provides critical new information, and they pay to have the video buried, what does that say about that person(s) commitment to the truth?  Time will tell, I guess.    O0

What it says is they are stupid!  Too late  :))   The cat is already out of the bag. By now the cat has crossed the dateline and is headed for Australia and then  for Mars! Sorry, the whole world knows! Duhhhhhhh.   :(
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 07, 2016, 09:10:11 AM
Watching the sneak peek video, I will admit the older gentleman who answer's the door does look like Lyle, but once I seen the photo album had pictures of skydivers in it. that kind of debunked that avenue. they do briefly show the overlay of Kenny, and the Cooper sketch, but my guess is this will be part of the show where they go over the known suspects. "confidence is low"  ;D
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: EVickiW on July 07, 2016, 10:16:29 AM
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My bet is that Jo will quickly establish a connection between Duane Weber and the History Channel's new hot suspect... or completely attack/discredit the new suspect. One or the other. It's binary. No other outcome is possible.

377

Her and RMB will both go into damage control mode. Folks like Vicki, Nmiwrecks & Sailshaw will take an honest look at the new guy and not feel threatened by the idea that the person they think may be Cooper, may not actually be Cooper.

Thanks Parrot  :D

Even in the DZ, I have said. If it is proven that Cooper is someone else then at least I know it is not my father.

On my way to the taping for this new Cooper show on History, I received a message through my LinkedIn from a detective in Colorado asking me to call him. A few days before I made a comment and linked a video on a newspaper article about an unsolved homicide 1981. This was a cold case and the victim was unidentified. The photo of the deceased man is in NamUs, and although ten years after my father disappeared, looked similar to what I thought my father might look like ,so I left a comment. Speaking with the detective he informed me that the deceased did not have a tattoo of an anchor on this forearm. So...not my dad.

http://www.koaa.com/story/30102771/fremont-county-sheriffs-office-has-new-leads-in-1981-cold-case

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/14158

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 08, 2016, 08:18:46 AM
I wonder if the FBI will say anything after the show in the following days? they have contacted them, so I'm curious to see if they will make any comments about the suspect. it would be nice, but I'm guessing that not a peep will come out of them  :'(

The FBI, the detractors. coming this fall to a theater near you!  O0 O0 O0 (according to the gripe site anyway  8))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 08, 2016, 09:16:35 AM
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I wonder if the FBI will say anything after the show in the following days? they have contacted them, so I'm curious to see if they will make any comments about the suspect. it would be nice, but I'm guessing that not a peep will come out of them  :'(

The FBI, the detractors. coming this fall to a theater near you!  O0 O0 O0 (according to the gripe site anyway  8))

I doubt it. I think after the Marla deal, the FBI is done publicly commenting on suspects. I think the next public thing they say regarding a suspect is: "We got our man". Until that day comes, if it ever comes, I doubt they address any suspects.
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Post by: EVickiW on July 08, 2016, 11:16:25 AM
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Side Bets

The FBI's response to the History Channel/Tom Colbert/James Forbes breaking the case will be:

1. Nothing official from James Comey.

2. Tacit approval by a non-response to Tom Fuentes' support for the TC/JF suspect.

3. Curtis Eng will say nothing.

4. In celebration for solving the case, the FBI will close off 3rd Street in Seattle and host a block party, with entertainment from Pearl Jam

Unfortunately, I can not participate in the "side bets" as I would nail every point. However, here are a few of the new history Channel teaser videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6c5ybhKyJI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FioeN0FBXiE



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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 08, 2016, 12:06:54 PM
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Side Bets

The FBI's response to the History Channel/Tom Colbert/James Forbes breaking the case will be:

1. Nothing official from James Comey.

2. Tacit approval by a non-response to Tom Fuentes' support for the TC/JF suspect.

3. Curtis Eng will say nothing.

4. In celebration for solving the case, the FBI will close off 3rd Street in Seattle and host a block party, with entertainment from Pearl Jam

Unfortunately, I can not participate in the "side bets" as I would nail every point. However, here are a few of the new history Channel teaser videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6c5ybhKyJI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FioeN0FBXiE

Very interesting words from RH.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 08, 2016, 01:57:39 PM
Both good video's. it was nice of them to run the story with Donna. Ralph is getting on with time. hope he can be contacted again.

Future is uncertain ? 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: EVickiW on July 08, 2016, 03:30:55 PM
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Both good video's. it was nice of them to run the story with Donna. Ralph is getting on with time. hope he can be contacted again.

Future is uncertain ?


Another promo video just released:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1NFjrRiGsU&feature=em-uploademail
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 08, 2016, 05:36:27 PM
Very cool stuff! Thanks, Vicki, for posting.

A couple of thoughts:

1. Dona. Her interview is classic Dona. What she said and how she said it, is the Dona Elliott I knew and loved. Her son, Bryan Woodruff, is also pictured, briefly, in the video clip, slouched behind the bar. The guys interviewing her are Tom Fuentes - the FBI AD - and Billy Jensen, who looks like he hadn't washed his hair since he interviewed me on September 25.

2. Ralph. The interview must have taken place in his new home. He moved into Woodburn over the past year, according to JT, and he lives near his daughter. Ralph looks like he is sitting in his old blue-leather recliner and his guests are on the couch I sat in for my interview. I loved this interview. It was great TV - and RH smiled! That's a first. I trust that the HC paid him his $2,100 fee for a video shoot. I particularly enjoyed hearing that RH doesn't think any of the touted suspects are viable. I agree completely. Again, its Tom F and Billy J doing the interviewing.

3. I Made the Cut! I heard my voice, saying "DB Cooper knew more about the 727 than the pilots," which comes just before Tina says that the skyjacker was "rather nice."

4. So, Vicki - You're the Sweetheart of the Rodeo for this show, eh? You can pick the full "Over-Under" - cool.

5. Although I never met Billy Mitchell, I recognize the voice. So, he's in the docu AND talking. That's a first. I'd love to know how that came about. Shall we start betting on what it takes to get certain people on screen? Or is that just too tacky...

6....speaking of which, it is beginning to leak out what HC had to do to get the information it wanted. One researcher told me he was "paid very well" for his information. As for me, well, I got a great chocolate cake for all of my contributions. I'll love seeing what informational value HV puts on cake.
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Post by: EVickiW on July 08, 2016, 06:07:23 PM
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Very cool stuff! Thanks, Vicki, for posting.

A couple of thoughts:


4. So, Vicki - You're the Sweetheart of the Rodeo for this show, eh? You can pick the full "Over-Under" - cool.

5. Although I never met Billy Mitchell, I recognize the voice. So, he's in the docu AND talking. That's a first. I'd love to know how that came about. Shall we start betting on what it takes to get certain people on screen? Or is that just too tacky...

6....speaking of which, it is beginning to leak out what HC had to do to get the information it wanted. One researcher told me he was "paid very well" for his information. As for me, well, I got a great chocolate cake for all of my contributions. I'll love seeing what informational value HV puts on cake.

Yes...I was confided in and could win the bet. I have known "the suspect" for about a month. Tom Colbert used me for some research.

Yes...You did see William Mitchell. My Facebook has a photo with Mark and me with Mitchell on a lunch date before I taped.

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 08, 2016, 06:41:01 PM
This particular thread is well-titled: "Other Productions," and I'd like to address a growing issue within this Forum and Cooper World in general as more producers call more people looking for a cool angle on DB Cooper.

There are two aspects to this issue, and they seems to related. One is the Morality of Hollywood, if there is just a thing. Perhaps we should be looking at the absence of ethical integrity in Hollywood, and why none of it seems to exist. For me, and my observation of others, is that the allure of fame and celebrity status is too intoxicating. I'm a junkie in that regard, although I like to think I'm in recovery. The thrill of sitting in front of a camera, mic'd up is sublime. Spending two hours on Skype calls with a team of producers (re: cute babes from Hollywood) being asked what I know about DBC and what I think might make a good TV show is nearly beyond my ability to control myself.

Now, many others are being exposed to the same intoxicants, and here is the second play: For those who read this Forum, participated in the DZ, or just read my book - well, you certainly know much of what I know about Norjak. Some of you even have a ton o' phone numbers for Cooper Principals since many of those contact numbers I got from you!

I sense a shift is happening. Hollywood is beginning to shop around for its best informational deals. What can we get for free, seems to be the modus operandi. And then they clamp down on the giver by insisting on a non-disclosure, confidentiality agreement. Maybe if you insist, you'll get a birthday cake.

I've begun to push back against "Hollywood," my general term to include all the producers around the world - in London, NYC, Japan, and elsewhere. I want to be paid for my time and knowledge. In that regard I'm getting like Himmelsbach.

Further, I insist on fill accreditation.

Plus, I won't sign any boiler-plate non-disclosure agreements without a detailed discussion of what I can do, what I can say, and where I will say it. I insist that my private communications are just that: private. My phone calls and emails are off-limits, and what I say and communicate is my business, not anyone else's. As for posting here, the Mountain News, or writing about in books and magazines elsewhere, well, I do recognize that certain boundaries have to be drawn to protect everyone's proprietary interests, but it is clearly a murky business. As I have written elsewhere, it's a question of fairness. I don't want to steal or dampen anyone's thunder. But I do feel it is reasonable to expect an investigative reporter of Norjak to talk about DB Cooper projects in development in general terms. We've just got to find a way to do that reasonably.

So, I'm putting my foot down. Since no one is willing to send me cash, or guaranteeing screen time and promotion of my book, I'm not talking. I'm not sharing my rolodex, I'm not outlining strategies to talk with Tina, Alice, Flo, Rataczak, Andy, Curtis, et. al. I'm not Skypeing without a check for $75/hour. Prepaid.

But others might. So be it.

In the meantime, I'm working on the 3rd Edition, and my intention is to make it worthy of a Pulitzer Prize. I want to see DB Cooper and the FBI placed in book stores, especially the Hudson News airport kiosks, standing right next to David McCullough's The Wright Brothers.

So, don't cry for me Argentina, I'm setting my sights on a loftier goal.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 08, 2016, 06:45:02 PM
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Yes...You did see William Mitchell. My Facebook has a photo with Mark and me with Mitchell on a lunch date before I taped.


Ah, lunch with Billy. You ARE the Sweetheart of the Rodeo.

BTW: I think you've done a commendable job of protecting HC's interests, while sharing tidbits that we find delicious! I would struggle mightily to do the same.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 08, 2016, 06:49:52 PM
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So, I'm putting my foot down. Since no one is willing to send me cash, or guaranteeing screen time and promotion of my book, I'm not talking. I'm not sharing my rolodex, I'm not outlining strategies to talk with Tina, Alice, Flo, Rataczak, Andy, Curtis, et. al. I'm not Skypeing without a check for $75/hour. Prepaid.

But others might. So be it.


Do we all need agents now  :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 08, 2016, 07:09:31 PM
Just called Billy to see if he would like a copy of DB Cooper and the FBI. Also, to see if his participation in the HC docu heralds a change of heart and a willingness to talk openly in public.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 08, 2016, 07:11:14 PM
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So, I'm putting my foot down. Since no one is willing to send me cash, or guaranteeing screen time and promotion of my book, I'm not talking. I'm not sharing my rolodex, I'm not outlining strategies to talk with Tina, Alice, Flo, Rataczak, Andy, Curtis, et. al. I'm not Skypeing without a check for $75/hour. Prepaid.

But others might. So be it.


Do we all need agents now  :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

I'm happy to be your agent, Shut. I'd even be willing to be your publicist - and I'll make you the same deal I offered to Tina and the Dormuths: I'll work for free. You only have to tell me once, everything that you know.

Deal?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 08, 2016, 07:13:08 PM
Bruce wrote: In the meantime, I'm working on the 3rd Edition, and my intention is to make it worthy of a Pulitzer Prize. I want to see DB Cooper and the FBI placed in book stores, especially the Hudson News airport kiosks, standing right next to David McCullough's The Wright Brothers.

So, don't cry for me Argentina, I'm setting my sights on a loftier goal.


Reaching high is always a good thing Bruce, but if you are serious about being considered for any kind of prize I suggest you omit the remote viewing content, and any Ramtha stuff. Just my opinion. You have a Constitutional right to include it all. 

An autographed copy of your book now is displayed prominently in my personal Cooper Museum, which is just one shelf devoted to memorabilia. I have rigged my genuine 727 annunciator panel to periodically flash the AIRSTAIR DOOR warning light. It lights up the lucite frame which holds my Cooper twenty.

I'll be happy if the show identifies Cooper, but I have my doubts. Tom Fuentes may be a retired agent but FBI blood still flows in his veins. if he thought that DB Cooper had been positively identified, an arrest would surely follow. He is an interesting guy. Worked his way up from street cop to a very high ranking FBI position, Asst. Director.

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 08, 2016, 07:19:39 PM
Ah, 377, we still need to figure out whether to attach "D" rings to the remote viewing chapter or not, eh? Ironically, I will be going to my first Ramtha retreat in ten years next week, and will be missing the HC docus. Sigh.

But RSE has stocked copies of DB Cooper and the FBI, so I'll look and see if they're selling.

If I do get the Pulitzer, maybe Barnes and Noble will issue a special edition with disappearing ink for those who wish to eradicate Chapter 38.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 08, 2016, 07:20:39 PM
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Do we all need agents now  :)) :)) :)) :)) :))


Vicki might...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 08, 2016, 08:42:56 PM
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I'll be happy if the show identifies Cooper, but I have my doubts. Tom Fuentes may be a retired agent but FBI blood still flows in his veins. if he thought that DB Cooper had been positively identified, an arrest would surely follow. He is an interesting guy. Worked his way up from street cop to a very high ranking FBI position, Asst. Director.

I think it's going to end up with them believing they have Cooper more than most of us will? they are hyping it up, that's for sure. good for them. it seems to be increasing peoples curiosity about Cooper.

The clock is ticking  C:-)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 09, 2016, 12:36:46 AM
A man with "North Coast Connections" may be the real Cooper.

http://www.dailyastorian.com/Local_News/20160708/db-cooper-case-closed
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 09, 2016, 12:51:34 AM
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A man with "North Coast Connections" may be the real Cooper.

http://www.dailyastorian.com/Local_News/20160708/db-cooper-case-closed

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And one of them — a man with North Coast connections — may be the real Cooper, according to a pair of investigative journalists who spent five years secretly digging into the case.

Hmm, that should wipe out a few of the known suspects....except for Duane Weber, he's been everywhere, LD?...KC... confidence...Gone  ;D
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 09, 2016, 01:00:37 AM
I guess Kenny will get a little bit of promotion Sunday night. Looks like the KC episode of Decoded will follow the Cooper doc.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 09, 2016, 01:37:34 AM
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I guess Kenny will get a little bit of promotion Sunday night. Looks like the KC episode of Decoded will follow the Cooper doc.

A one-two punch, eh?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 09, 2016, 08:54:32 AM
Robert Blevins is confident that Kenny is the History Channel's man.


I removed the link to Roberts website. nothing of Mr. Blevins gets posted here for any type of plug/promotion.

Robert's conduct is currently being reviewed by Bryan Woodruff (owner of the Ariel Tavern). things are catching up to Mr. Blevins damaging his credibility further than it already has been in the past.



Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 09, 2016, 09:58:39 AM
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Robert Blevins is confident that Kenny is the History Channel's man.

Your point would be? I can tell you that he is (as usual) way off base. I have my reasons, and they have nothing personal involved with my conclusion. lets just say I know Kenny is not there suspect, it's not an opinion...

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 09, 2016, 10:39:44 AM
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Robert Blevins is confident that Kenny is the History Channel's man.


I removed the link to Roberts website. nothing of Mr. Blevins gets posted here for any type of plug/promotion.

Robert's conduct is currently being reviewed by Bryan Woodruff (owner of the Ariel Tavern). things are catching up to Mr. Blevins damaging his credibility further than it already has been in the past.

He is basing that off of the fact that in the promos for the show, there is a shot of someone comparing the Cooper sketch to Christiansen. There is also someone that he can't identify that he thinks may be Bernie Geestman. However, the description of the show from the link I posted earlier says that they will be covering some of the known suspects that have been presented in the past. So it makes sense that Christiansen gets mentioned. I'm sure Weber & LD will get mentioned as well, along with others. Further, if Kenny was their guy, they would not do a 4 hour show and not talk to Lyle and several of the others that Blevins has put forth as witnesses in my opinion. Yet, Lyle has told Blevins that he didn't speak with them and obviously Blevins would know if any of his witnesses had spoken to these people. Plus, we don't know much about the suspect they have in mind, but we are pretty certain that he is still alive. So, unless Kenny Christiansen faked his death, he is not their suspect.

Welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 09, 2016, 10:47:07 AM
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Robert Blevins is confident that Kenny is the History Channel's man.

Your point would be? I can tell you that he is (as usual) way off base. I have my reasons, and they have nothing personal involved with my conclusion. lets just say I know Kenny is not there suspect, it's not an opinion...

Not making any kind of point. Simply sharing a link to an article I came across.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 09, 2016, 10:49:25 AM
The deal breaker for me was the picture in the photo album (left side) with pictures of skydivers. also, I don't know if the sound is matched with the video? it says "did you know he was a suspect" so, of course Lyle, and Bernie would know this. plus as Parrot states. people involved would of contacted Robert stating there cooperation with LMNO.

The actions of Mr. Blevins over the last couple months have brought more concern to what his witnesses really stated in the past. we have seen what happens when he speaks for other people. that's now a FACT.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 09, 2016, 10:51:29 AM
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Robert Blevins is confident that Kenny is the History Channel's man.

Your point would be? I can tell you that he is (as usual) way off base. I have my reasons, and they have nothing personal involved with my conclusion. lets just say I know Kenny is not there suspect, it's not an opinion...

Not making any kind of point. Simply sharing a link to an article I came across.

Fair enough...welcome to the forum by the way. I'm sorry for taking the link away putting you on the spot, but I have had a horrible relationship with Mr. Blevins. this includes others on this forum...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 09, 2016, 11:05:12 AM
I am really looking forward to the doc on Sunday evening.

I hope, though I'm pessimistic about it, that we do get the ultimate answer we have all wanted. However, I get the feeling that we will not the the big reveal, the new suspect, until the second show. I'm too damn impatient for that.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 09, 2016, 11:15:09 AM
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I am really looking forward to the doc on Sunday evening.

I hope, though I'm pessimistic about it, that we do get the ultimate answer we have all wanted. However, I get the feeling that we will not the the big reveal, the new suspect, until the second show. I'm too damn impatient for that.


I agree, I think a lot of yawning will occur the first nite....then they will push that little red button that says "only in an emergency"  O0 O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 09, 2016, 11:15:47 AM
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Robert Blevins is confident that Kenny is the History Channel's man.

Your point would be? I can tell you that he is (as usual) way off base. I have my reasons, and they have nothing personal involved with my conclusion. lets just say I know Kenny is not there suspect, it's not an opinion...

Not making any kind of point. Simply sharing a link to an article I came across.

Fair enough...welcome to the forum by the way. I'm sorry for taking the link away putting you on the spot, but I have had a horrible relationship with Mr. Blevins. this includes others on this forum...

No worries at all. Obviously being brand new to the forum I had no idea about any sort of unwritten rules regarding Blevins (or others). I've been a huge Cooper fan for several years but have never been involved in any forums related to the case until now.

Thanks for welcoming me in. Looking forward to joining this community of Cooper enthusiasts!  :)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 09, 2016, 11:32:25 AM
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Robert Blevins is confident that Kenny is the History Channel's man.

Your point would be? I can tell you that he is (as usual) way off base. I have my reasons, and they have nothing personal involved with my conclusion. lets just say I know Kenny is not there suspect, it's not an opinion...

Not making any kind of point. Simply sharing a link to an article I came across.

Fair enough...welcome to the forum by the way. I'm sorry for taking the link away putting you on the spot, but I have had a horrible relationship with Mr. Blevins. this includes others on this forum...

No worries at all. Obviously being brand new to the forum I had no idea about any sort of unwritten rules regarding Blevins (or others). I've been a huge Cooper fan for several years but have never been involved in any forums related to the case until now.

Thanks for welcoming me in. Looking forward to joining this community of Cooper enthusiasts!  :)


Glad to have you aboard  C:-)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 09, 2016, 04:13:12 PM
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I agree, I think a lot of yawning will occur the first nite....then they will push that little red button that says "only in an emergency"  O0 O0 O0 O0


I'm betting that the first night will be LMNO night, and will be the history of DB Cooper - the details of the skyjacking and all the stuff that's followed since then, including us. Monday night, I suspect, will be Tom Colbert and Company night, and we'll see the roll-out of the 36 Cold Case Uber Sleuths doing their five-year study of... whomever... But, I'm sure they'll make it look good. I'm sure half of America will wake-up Tuesday morning convinced that the DB Cooper case has been solved. The only people who won't be in that half will be the folks I've met that are convinced that LD Cooper is DB Cooper, or the hoards of believers from Brad Meltzer's flock who are convinced that Kenny is Da Man.

That's the thing about Psy Ops. After awhile, it can get confusing and counter-productive.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 09, 2016, 04:14:40 PM
Oh, yeah. Sailshaw won't be convinced, either. Forgot about that.

Sorry, Sail!!!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 09, 2016, 05:06:45 PM
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I agree, I think a lot of yawning will occur the first nite....then they will push that little red button that says "only in an emergency"  O0 O0 O0 O0


I'm betting that the first night will be LMNO night, and will be the history of DB Cooper - the details of the skyjacking and all the stuff that's followed since then, including us. Monday night, I suspect, will be Tom Colbert and Company night, and we'll see the roll-out of the 36 Cold Case Uber Sleuths doing their five-year study of... whomever... But, I'm sure they'll make it look good. I'm sure half of America will wake-up Tuesday morning convinced that the DB Cooper case has been solved. The only people who won't be in that half will be the folks I've met that are convinced that LD Cooper is DB Cooper, or the hoards of believers from Brad Meltzer's flock who are convinced that Kenny is Da Man.

That's the thing about Psy Ops. After awhile, it can get confusing and counter-productive.

Every ideology and church has its spokesmen. That includes you.  :))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 09, 2016, 08:51:43 PM
Amen!

Now, let us pray that the History Channel has something to teach us.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 09, 2016, 08:52:09 PM
Mr. Colbert just sent me a link to his site.....

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Sorry, "Shutter," it's been difficult to keep up with my deadlines overlaping -- doc air dates, book posting, incoming testimonials, getting web sites up -- and of course family duties. One thing you might alert your fellow researchers -- www.DBCooper.com is finally up. We've posted ALL the Cold Case members (at jet picture), and we'll be noting media/news developments as they happen.

Enjoy night one...cheers, TJC




http://dbcooper.com/
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 09, 2016, 09:17:44 PM
This deep dive into the elusive D.B. Cooper mystery includes rare interviews with numerous experts, insiders and one-time suspects, as well as a sit-down with the one person who not only spent the most time with him during the crime, but was also the last to see the infamous skyjacker before he jumped into history."

http://www.oregonlive.com/tv/2016/07/is_notorious_northwest_skyjack.html

Okay, they have to be talking about Tina here, right? If so, this has to be an old interview. No way they scored a sit down with her!

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 09, 2016, 09:30:59 PM
TINA? Oh, Tina, you're breaking my heart! Say it ain't so, Ti-oh.

P-Vol, if this is true, it's gonna take more than chocolate cake to fix me...

...where are those Zanax??? Somebody in this neighborhood has got to have opioids...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 09, 2016, 09:38:55 PM
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Mr. Colbert just sent me a link to his site.....

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Sorry, "Shutter," it's been difficult to keep up with my deadlines overlaping -- doc air dates, book posting, incoming testimonials, getting web sites up -- and of course family duties. One thing you might alert your fellow researchers -- www.DBCooper.com is finally up. We've posted ALL the Cold Case members (at jet picture), and we'll be noting media/news developments as they happen.

Enjoy night one...cheers, TJC




http://dbcooper.com/

DBCooper.com wasn't taken?  I'm shocked. 

I was thinking Shutter could have gotten it, but I bet Colbert grabbed it years ago.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 09, 2016, 09:44:27 PM
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Mr. Colbert just sent me a link to his site.....

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Sorry, "Shutter," it's been difficult to keep up with my deadlines overlaping -- doc air dates, book posting, incoming testimonials, getting web sites up -- and of course family duties. One thing you might alert your fellow researchers -- www.DBCooper.com is finally up. We've posted ALL the Cold Case members (at jet picture), and we'll be noting media/news developments as they happen.

Enjoy night one...cheers, TJC




http://dbcooper.com/

DBCooper.com wasn't taken?  I'm shocked. 

I was thinking Shutter could have gotten it, but I bet Colbert grabbed it years ago.


I forgot all about that..... O0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 09, 2016, 09:46:18 PM
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Mr. Colbert just sent me a link to his site.....

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Sorry, "Shutter," it's been difficult to keep up with my deadlines overlaping -- doc air dates, book posting, incoming testimonials, getting web sites up -- and of course family duties. One thing you might alert your fellow researchers -- www.DBCooper.com is finally up. We've posted ALL the Cold Case members (at jet picture), and we'll be noting media/news developments as they happen.

Enjoy night one...cheers, TJC




http://dbcooper.com/

DBCooper.com wasn't taken?  I'm shocked. 

I was thinking Shutter could have gotten it, but I bet Colbert grabbed it years ago.


I forgot all about that..... O0

I went to whois.net.  It's been registered since 1999.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 09, 2016, 09:47:56 PM
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I went to whois.net.  It's been registered since 1999.

My guess would be that several people have had the 'com in there name over the years....
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 09, 2016, 09:53:33 PM
Case Not So Closed

Well, it's the home stretch, isn't it? On the way home from doing laundry this afternoon, I began thinking about the 36 Uber Sleuths, and I wondered why they haven't gotten a confession. One of the things many of us in the PNW do when we're not talking about DB Cooper is gossiping about Amanda Knox.

Amanda, for those of you who might not know, is a local gal - West Seattle - who flaps her gums even more than I do. One night in 2007 it landed her in the pokie, but in Perugia, Italia, which is a long way from home. Amanda and her boy friend, Raffaele, who is real sweetheart when I communicated with him on Facebook, got pinched for the murder of Amanda's college roommate, Meredith, a British gal, whose father is a freelancer on Fleet Street.

Amanda and Raffie ended up in the clink for four years on a 30-year bit until the Perugian people finally pulled their heads out of their buttioli, with the help of family and tons o' folks at the US State Dep't, including a few "retired" FBI agents who couldn't stand seeing a good girl get so screwed. The big problem for il Italiani, legally, was that there was NO DNA from Amanda or Raffie at the crime scene, even though it was a blood-bath, and that ultimately freed Amanda and Raff.

The bigger issue was how Amanda was treated, and how she tried to please her Italian captors. After endless interrogations, she said whatever made sense to her at 4 am, which was nutsy and incriminating, and that brings us to Danny Boy and the FBI.

One of the most cogent things I heard from the FBI guys helping Amanda was how they - and apparently the Perugian PD - know how to twist questions to extract the kind of information that they can splice together into something that sounds incriminating. As one FBI said, "At the FBI, we have a saying: 'We can convict anyone. The innocent just take a little longer.'"

So, how come our newly minted Ace Venturas can't get a confession from their Cooper suspect? Haven't their brethren learned anything from Gitmo or Abu Ghraib? C'mon, guys. Are you slackin - or what!'?

But, if they're not for the job, why not let me take a crack. If water-boarding is a little too dicey politically these days, then, how about you let me at 'em with an endless stream of chocolate cake. That'll  make anyone confess.

I know.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 09, 2016, 10:33:25 PM
Case Closed Update
Here's the book:

The Last Master Outlaw
How he outfoxed the FBI Six Times, but not a Cold Case Team

by Thomas J Colbert and Tom Szollosi
(Blurb at Amazon:)

“D. B. Cooper” Is Alive and Well

In 1971, a skyjacker with a briefcase bomb demanded a $200,000 ransom and a parachute. Then he vanished out the jet’s back door and became an instant legend.

Now a determined citizen sleuth has assembled a forty-member cold case team, spearheaded by former FBI agents, to solve the mystery of D. B. Cooper. And after a five-year quest, they believe they have succeeded—with a fugitive at trail’s end.

The team’s relentless investigation and final confrontation with the mystery man serve as the bookends in The Last Master Outlaw. The suspect’s astonishing life story as a daredevil fills the remaining chapters, the bulk of which comes from the heartwarming, gut-wrenching accounts of six of his women—two former wives, his only sister, a befriended college coed, and a “getaway gal” he met up with during two more FBI escapes, both again involving planes, and a Hollywood producer who became his cocaine-trade partner.

Buckle your seatbelts as this Jekyll-and-Hyde ladies’ man travels through five countries, utilizing more than a dozen identities, wigs, and fake mustaches while engaging in a half-dozen careers and raising three families. Then be a witness as the cornered chameleon is forced to face the truth in front of the cameras of a dogged cold case team, armed and ready for any eventuality.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 09, 2016, 10:49:32 PM
Bruce, that comment wasn't remotely funny >:( >:( >:(

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Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 09, 2016, 11:11:44 PM
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Bruce, that comment wasn't remotely funny >:( >:( >:(

Post removed!

What was the comment? I don't remember posting anything that was trying to be funny, remotely or otherwise, that I recall, other than what is already here.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 09, 2016, 11:13:18 PM
Colbert's Cold Case Team

It is certainly an impressive line-up.

Leaders:
Thomas J Colbert and James “ Jim” Forbes

The Cold Case members:

FBI

1. Jack Trimarco, FBI, LA,                                   polygraph
2. Ron Hilley, FBI, San Francisco,                        polygraph
3. Ken Dirk, FBI, LA,                                          undercover
4. Trent Johnson, FBI, Newport Beach, CA,          undercover
5. Richard Smith, FBI, SF

Others on primary team:   

1. John Bocciolatt, Portland, Oregon
2. Jack Immendorf, SF
3. Erik Kleinsmith, VP, American Military University, Mananas, VA
4. Doug Fogg, COO, Sorenson Forensics, Salt Lake City, Utah
5. Professor Thomas P Muriello, police forensics, Laurel, Maryland
6. Dr. Kris Mohandie, clinical and forensics psychologist, Pasadena, CA
7. Linton A Mohammed, forensic document examiner, SF
8. Christopher Freeze, forensic investigator, Martinez, CA
9. Shannon Van Zant, forensic court archivist, Calaveras County, CA
10. Frank Doyle, FBI, trainer and consultant, San Ramon, CA


Consultants – Federal Agencies

1. Assistant Director, FBI, William Baker, retired, LA, CA
2. Dr. James T Reese, PhD., FBI, Supervisor, profiler, Williamsburg, VA
3. Special Agent Patrick J Webb, FBI, retired, SF
4. Special Agent Stockton Buck, FBI, retired, SF
5. Special Agent, Donald “Max” Noel, FBI, retired, SF
6. Special Agent, Thomas R Kinberg, FBI, retired, Stockton, CA
7. US Attorney, Joseph Russoniello, retired, SF
8. US Attorney Robert C Bonner, retired, LA
9. Assistant Director, CIA, Mark Lowenthall, Arlington, VA
10. US Army: LTC Ken Overturf, retired, Colorado Springs, CO
11. US Customs: Field Operations Director, Richard Vigna, retired, SF
12. US Coast Guard, Exec PAO, Dan Dewell, Alameda CA, 11th District
13. US Marshall, Johnny “Mack” Brown, retired, Greenville County, SC
14. Chief Superintendent of Police, RCMP, Jamie Graham, retired, Vancouver, BC



Consultants – State Agencies
1. Sate Investigator, Ron Sterrat, Phoenix, Arizona
2. State Investigator, Shannen L Rossmiller, Helena, Montana
3. State special Agent, John Campbell, SLED, Travelers West, SC
4. State Instructor, Frank Cowan, retired, Santa Rosa, CA


Consultants – Local Agencies

1. Judge, F. Clark Sueyes, retired, Stockton, CA
2. Detective Dan Horan, retired, LA (LAPD?)
3. Detective Jack Ballentine, retired, Phoenix, Arizona
4. Detective Emil “Bud” Bladow, retired, Portland Oregon
5. Liaison Officer, James Zimmerman, retired, Niles, Illinois
6. Supervising Forensic Scientist, Geoff Bruton, VCSD, Ventura County, CA
7. Officer Bill Tyler, Denver PD, Denver, Colorado


Legal Associates

1. Jeffrey Renz, law professor, Missoula, Montana
2. National Security Attorney, Mark Zaid, Washington, DC
3. E and O Attorney, Manager, Michael London, Beverly Hills, CA
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 09, 2016, 11:14:07 PM
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Bruce, that comment wasn't remotely funny >:( >:( >:(

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What was the comment? I don't remember posting anything that was trying to be funny, remotely or otherwise, that I recall.

about Vicki's father....
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 09, 2016, 11:26:40 PM
Oh. Okay.

I thought I was just drawing an obvious association to the suspect now being called "The Last Master Outlaw," and subject of a new book and the upcoming HC docu.

If it was offensive, I am glad you've removed it. I'll seek further counsel to find a more appropriate way of discussing the matter.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Prospector on July 09, 2016, 11:27:41 PM
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Case Closed Update
Here's the book:

The Last Master Outlaw
How he outfoxed the FBI Six Times, but not a Cold Case Team

by Thomas J Colbert and Tom Szollosi
(Blurb at Amazon:)

“D. B. Cooper” Is Alive and Well

In 1971, a skyjacker with a briefcase bomb demanded a $200,000 ransom and a parachute. Then he vanished out the jet’s back door and became an instant legend.

Now a determined citizen sleuth has assembled a forty-member cold case team, spearheaded by former FBI agents, to solve the mystery of D. B. Cooper. And after a five-year quest, they believe they have succeeded—with a fugitive at trail’s end.

The team’s relentless investigation and final confrontation with the mystery man serve as the bookends in The Last Master Outlaw. The suspect’s astonishing life story as a daredevil fills the remaining chapters, the bulk of which comes from the heartwarming, gut-wrenching accounts of six of his women—two former wives, his only sister, a befriended college coed, and a “getaway gal” he met up with during two more FBI escapes, both again involving planes, and a Hollywood producer who became his cocaine-trade partner.

Buckle your seatbelts as this Jekyll-and-Hyde ladies’ man travels through five countries, utilizing more than a dozen identities, wigs, and fake mustaches while engaging in a half-dozen careers and raising three families. Then be a witness as the cornered chameleon is forced to face the truth in front of the cameras of a dogged cold case team, armed and ready for any eventuality.

That abstract does not describe the life history of the individual I have discussed here who currently resides in the Southern Interior of BC.  From this, I do not believe they will be introducing my find to the world.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 09, 2016, 11:32:14 PM
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That abstract does not describe the life history of the individual I have discussed here who currently resides in the Southern Interior of BC.  From this, I do not believe they will be introducing my find to the world.

I guess we all have to wait and see what the boys have? I'm pretty sure we will be around for some time to come  O0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 09, 2016, 11:43:17 PM
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That abstract does not describe the life history of the individual I have discussed here who currently resides in the Southern Interior of BC.  From this, I do not believe they will be introducing my find to the world.

I guess we all have to wait and see what the boys have? I'm pretty sure we will be around for some time to come  O0

I was hoping I could download Tom Colbert's book on Amazon now, but it looks like it won't be available until July 12.  Bummer.
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Post by: georger on July 09, 2016, 11:50:14 PM
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Case Closed Update
Here's the book:

The Last Master Outlaw
How he outfoxed the FBI Six Times, but not a Cold Case Team

by Thomas J Colbert and Tom Szollosi
(Blurb at Amazon:)

“D. B. Cooper” Is Alive and Well

In 1971, a skyjacker with a briefcase bomb demanded a $200,000 ransom and a parachute. Then he vanished out the jet’s back door and became an instant legend.

Now a determined citizen sleuth has assembled a forty-member cold case team, spearheaded by former FBI agents, to solve the mystery of D. B. Cooper. And after a five-year quest, they believe they have succeeded—with a fugitive at trail’s end.

The team’s relentless investigation and final confrontation with the mystery man serve as the bookends in The Last Master Outlaw. The suspect’s astonishing life story as a daredevil fills the remaining chapters, the bulk of which comes from the heartwarming, gut-wrenching accounts of six of his women—two former wives, his only sister, a befriended college coed, and a “getaway gal” he met up with during two more FBI escapes, both again involving planes, and a Hollywood producer who became his cocaine-trade partner.

Buckle your seatbelts as this Jekyll-and-Hyde ladies’ man travels through five countries, utilizing more than a dozen identities, wigs, and fake mustaches while engaging in a half-dozen careers and raising three families. Then be a witness as the cornered chameleon is forced to face the truth in front of the cameras of a dogged cold case team, armed and ready for any eventuality.

Nothing I could say would be large enough. Or small enough.

I think its best to say nothing.

 :)) :)) :)) 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 10, 2016, 04:27:04 AM
I gotta tip m' hat to Colbert for his exquisite roll-out of the book and show, replete with a full website with tons o' stuff. Very impressive, and all coordinated oh, so well. Makes GG and Marla look like minor leaguers. Colbert shows us how the game is played in the major leagues.

Now the essential questions is: whaddyagot?

Reading the tea leaves, it seems that Colbert and Crew have cornered their suspect and put a camera in front of him. But do we have an arrest? Nope. Does that mean we're missing a confession? If so, is it legit, or just Number 923 on the Hit Parade of Cooper Confessees?

Either way, I've got another chapter to write for The 3rd Edition: either we have the biggest Doubling Down Gambit in Cooper History to convince the world that this Super-Dooper Lover Boy with Three Families is Danny Boy, or the Cold Case Team joins the Citizen Sleuths as a FBI auxiliary, and launches a new way of conducting criminal investigations.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 10, 2016, 04:34:26 AM
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That abstract does not describe the life history of the individual I have discussed here who currently resides in the Southern Interior of BC.  From this, I do not believe they will be introducing my find to the world.


Prospector, I hate to tell ya, but I think you're gonna have to take a seat behind a few people:

1. Sailshaw and Petey
2. Galen and Wolfie
3. Ron and Pat, and Barb
4. Bobby B and Kenny
5. Marla and Uncle LD
6. Jo and Duane/John C Collins
7. Bradley Collins and Jumping Jack Collins
8. Nimi Wrecks and Dick Lepsey
9. Half of the 5th Special Forces and Ted Braden
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 10, 2016, 04:36:48 AM
By the way, Prospector, where in BC are you? I have an ex in Lund.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 10, 2016, 09:23:52 AM
I started a poll on this thread whether or not they found Cooper. cast your vote so we can see where the forum stands with the upcoming show...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 10, 2016, 11:02:52 AM
I voted no. I'd love to be wrong, but I gotta see something of substance before I vote "maybe". I'd have to see a lot to vote "yes".
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 10, 2016, 01:45:58 PM
Where's the poll?

I'd guess "No," until I see the show.  But having a former Assist Director of the FBI and a former Assistant Director of the CIA on one's Cold Case Team is surely a recipe for sophisticated cover-up. More to my point - was anyone like me on the Cold Case Team? I don't see anyone. It's just a collection of good ole boys from the Bureau, and they're the ones who lost evidence, rigged the National Crime Lab, and let Lover Boy escape six times. My question, or skepticism at this point is: was Colbert scammed by folks who want to put out a really slick cover story on Coop?

A simple test: How many of the 40 guys on the Cold Case Team read my book? I bet "Zero," since even Colbert didn't know I had written one until a few weeks ago.

Along those lines, how many read GG's Skyjack? Calame and Rhodes? Or even Ron and Pat?

Plus, Colbert had a bunch of FBI from LA on the CCT, and he's asking me if Calame is still alive, when the last lead I had on him was his daughter in So Cal? These guys can't even find their own? Hmmm.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 10, 2016, 01:51:42 PM
Sailshaw just reminded me in an email that the FBI is running a really big risk with Tom Colbert. Suppose this show turns out to be a joke - the FBI is gonna look really bad.

Talk about a Gang that Couldn't Shoot Straight. Whew.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 10, 2016, 02:59:03 PM
dna and finger prints!   :)) C:-)

Infotainment vs Indictment!
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Sailshaw just reminded me in an email that the FBI is running a really big risk with Tom Colbert. Suppose this show turns out to be a joke - the FBI is gonna look really bad.

Talk about a Gang that Couldn't Shoot Straight. Whew.
I guess we'll find out tomorrow night, but I haven't seen anything about the FBI weighing in on Tom Colbert's suspect one way or the other.  If they don't, how does this impact the FBI at all?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 10, 2016, 03:57:20 PM
Here is another site talking about the new suspect....thanks Vicki  C:-)

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"He the man they name as the culprit looks like an extremely viable suspect to me. I would love to see the explanation that clears him."



http://www.people.com/article/db-cooper-case-history-channel-documentary
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Post by: Prospector on July 10, 2016, 04:11:25 PM
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That abstract does not describe the life history of the individual I have discussed here who currently resides in the Southern Interior of BC.  From this, I do not believe they will be introducing my find to the world.


Prospector, I hate to tell ya, but I think you're gonna have to take a seat behind a few people:

1. Sailshaw and Petey
2. Galen and Wolfie
3. Ron and Pat, and Barb
4. Bobby B and Kenny
5. Marla and Uncle LD
6. Jo and Duane/John C Collins
7. Bradley Collins and Jumping Jack Collins
8. Nimi Wrecks and Dick Lepsey
9. Half of the 5th Special Forces and Ted Braden

Perhaps ---- perhaps not. 

Recall that not once have I stated that I had found the fugitive Cooper, only someone who matches the physical description and profile.  At any rate, we, to the best of my knowledge, are merely armchair spectators and not the stick handlers in this mystery. All we can hope to be capable of is an educated guess based on what we perceive to be fact juxtaposed with opinion.

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 10, 2016, 04:12:29 PM
I'm super excited about tonight. The only thing that worries me is the reputation that the History Channel has earned itself with other "docu-drama" farces like "Bigfoot Captured" and all their alien crap and other such BS material. I'm really hoping for a show based on facts and science and not just a theatrical abomination. The description of the suspect concerns me --- womanizer, cocaine kingpin, "catch me if you can" kind of lifestyle. It almost sounds like we're being set up for some outrageous tall tale all because it makes for good tv. Like they found this really interesting guy with a James Bond lifestyle and tried to fit a square peg into a round hole because that's way more interesting than a suspect who led a very vanilla life.

That being said, I'll be eagerly watching with the rest of you tonight and hoping for a legitimate show that has some real merit behind it. Fingers crossed!
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Post by: MarkBennett on July 10, 2016, 04:49:26 PM
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That abstract does not describe the life history of the individual I have discussed here who currently resides in the Southern Interior of BC.  From this, I do not believe they will be introducing my find to the world.


Prospector, I hate to tell ya, but I think you're gonna have to take a seat behind a few people:

1. Sailshaw and Petey
2. Galen and Wolfie
3. Ron and Pat, and Barb
4. Bobby B and Kenny
5. Marla and Uncle LD
6. Jo and Duane/John C Collins
7. Bradley Collins and Jumping Jack Collins
8. Nimi Wrecks and Dick Lepsey
9. Half of the 5th Special Forces and Ted Braden

Perhaps ---- perhaps not. 

Recall that not once have I stated that I had found the fugitive Cooper, only someone who matches the physical description and profile.  At any rate, we, to the best of my knowledge, are merely armchair spectators and not the stick handlers in this mystery. All we can hope to be capable of is an educated guess based on what we perceive to be fact juxtaposed with opinion.

There are lots of really good investigators here, but you never really give us anything to go on, Prospector.  If not a name, even the nature of why you think your guy could be Cooper would be helpful.

I hope you can add more detail on your suspect.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 10, 2016, 04:55:24 PM
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There are lots of really good investigators here, but you never really give us anything to go on, Prospector.  If not a name, even the nature of why you think your guy could be Cooper would be helpful.

I hope you can add more detail on your suspect.

Hiding in the trees only adds to the camouflage  O0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 10, 2016, 05:04:45 PM
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I'm super excited about tonight. The only thing that worries me is the reputation that the History Channel has earned itself with other "docu-drama" farces like "Bigfoot Captured" and all their alien crap and other such BS material. I'm really hoping for a show based on facts and science and not just a theatrical abomination. The description of the suspect concerns me --- womanizer, cocaine kingpin, "catch me if you can" kind of lifestyle. It almost sounds like we're being set up for some outrageous tall tale all because it makes for good tv. Like they found this really interesting guy with a James Bond lifestyle and tried to fit a square peg into a round hole because that's way more interesting than a suspect who led a very vanilla life.

That being said, I'll be eagerly watching with the rest of you tonight and hoping for a legitimate show that has some real merit behind it. Fingers crossed!

The Alkatraz thing a few months back seemed pretty legitimate. But, then there was also Decoded....

I agree on the description. I was a little disappointed when I read that because that just didn't sound like Cooper to me. But then it occurs to me, that I know nothing of the actual man. Just because a suspect doesn't fit my idea of what Cooper was means nothing. Perhaps this guy was just so out there, that he was just the opposite of what most people thought he was. Perhaps that was a big reason he was never caught. We shall see...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 10, 2016, 05:20:18 PM
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I'm super excited about tonight. The only thing that worries me is the reputation that the History Channel has earned itself with other "docu-drama" farces like "Bigfoot Captured" and all their alien crap and other such BS material. I'm really hoping for a show based on facts and science and not just a theatrical abomination. The description of the suspect concerns me --- womanizer, cocaine kingpin, "catch me if you can" kind of lifestyle. It almost sounds like we're being set up for some outrageous tall tale all because it makes for good tv. Like they found this really interesting guy with a James Bond lifestyle and tried to fit a square peg into a round hole because that's way more interesting than a suspect who led a very vanilla life.

That being said, I'll be eagerly watching with the rest of you tonight and hoping for a legitimate show that has some real merit behind it. Fingers crossed!

Yeah, Raoul, it's not looking good. Here's the latest from Colbert, via the link the Shut just posted via Vicki's alertness:

"In my 35 years I've never seen as much evidence on any case I've worked on," says Tom Colbert, a former research director for LA's local CBS affiliate who assembled a team of retired investigators [including a dozen former FBI agents] to re-examine the case for nearly five years. "I'm absolutely certain in my mind that we've got him. It's just a matter of time before he has to admit it."

Emphasis added.

So, we clearly have no confession, no arrest, and so, no rest for the weary...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 10, 2016, 05:21:48 PM
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dna and finger prints!   :)) C:-)

Infotainment vs Indictment!

That sums things up, Georger.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 10, 2016, 05:24:41 PM

Yep, I'm now questioning the Alcatraz escape. it appears to be more of a media event now.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18igLuKcrW8
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 10, 2016, 05:30:37 PM
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I'm super excited about tonight. The only thing that worries me is the reputation that the History Channel has earned itself with other "docu-drama" farces like "Bigfoot Captured" and all their alien crap and other such BS material. I'm really hoping for a show based on facts and science and not just a theatrical abomination. The description of the suspect concerns me --- womanizer, cocaine kingpin, "catch me if you can" kind of lifestyle. It almost sounds like we're being set up for some outrageous tall tale all because it makes for good tv. Like they found this really interesting guy with a James Bond lifestyle and tried to fit a square peg into a round hole because that's way more interesting than a suspect who led a very vanilla life.

That being said, I'll be eagerly watching with the rest of you tonight and hoping for a legitimate show that has some real merit behind it. Fingers crossed!

The Alkatraz thing a few months back seemed pretty legitimate. But, then there was also Decoded....

I agree on the description. I was a little disappointed when I read that because that just didn't sound like Cooper to me. But then it occurs to me, that I know nothing of the actual man. Just because a suspect doesn't fit my idea of what Cooper was means nothing. Perhaps this guy was just so out there, that he was just the opposite of what most people thought he was. Perhaps that was a big reason he was never caught. We shall see...

Absolutely. In a way I was almost a little disappointed when I read the description because to me, a suspect who lived a very quiet and normal life is actually more intriguing than one who was totally off the rails. Heck, the skyjack may not have even been the craziest or riskiest thing this guy ever did (if he did it to begin with of course).

You make a great point about how this profile is so much different than what Cooper was pegged for all along and perhaps that's how he slid under our noses for so long.

I thought the Alcatraz show was fascinating for its subject matter. But it lacked any real evidence. The only thing they really ended up with was a photo that may or may not have been them but could have just as easily been any two random guys standing by a tree. So while the subject matter was appealing, there wasn't really much of a bomb drop.

I'm hoping this show will connect some dots in a factual way and not just with circumstantial evidence around an interesting character. Not that circumstantial evidence is worthless by any means -- it's what helped build a good case for several other suspects --- but in order to truly solve the mystery we need more than just a guy that looks like Cooper who had an interest in skydiving and once stayed at a Holiday Inn in Seattle.

I'll be curious to see if they connect him to the tie in any way. The profile says he had "many careers," so that could suggest that at one point he had a career consistent with the titanium particles. But from the rest of the description, it sounds like those "careers" were mostly career criminal activity.

In any case, I am happy to see that this suspect is new. I'd rather spend four hours learning about a new suspect as opposed to just beating a dead horse with an already well-known suspect. It's also extremely exciting to know that this suspect is still alive.

I have a feeling this could be either a very huge breakthrough in the case or a complete flop.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 10, 2016, 05:40:59 PM
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That abstract does not describe the life history of the individual I have discussed here who currently resides in the Southern Interior of BC.  From this, I do not believe they will be introducing my find to the world.


Prospector, I hate to tell ya, but I think you're gonna have to take a seat behind a few people:

1. Sailshaw and Petey
2. Galen and Wolfie
3. Ron and Pat, and Barb
4. Bobby B and Kenny
5. Marla and Uncle LD
6. Jo and Duane/John C Collins
7. Bradley Collins and Jumping Jack Collins
8. Nimi Wrecks and Dick Lepsey
9. Half of the 5th Special Forces and Ted Braden

Perhaps ---- perhaps not. 

Recall that not once have I stated that I had found the fugitive Cooper, only someone who matches the physical description and profile.  At any rate, we, to the best of my knowledge, are merely armchair spectators and not the stick handlers in this mystery. All we can hope to be capable of is an educated guess based on what we perceive to be fact juxtaposed with opinion.

+1  :)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 10, 2016, 05:52:23 PM
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I'm super excited about tonight. The only thing that worries me is the reputation that the History Channel has earned itself with other "docu-drama" farces like "Bigfoot Captured" and all their alien crap and other such BS material. I'm really hoping for a show based on facts and science and not just a theatrical abomination. The description of the suspect concerns me --- womanizer, cocaine kingpin, "catch me if you can" kind of lifestyle. It almost sounds like we're being set up for some outrageous tall tale all because it makes for good tv. Like they found this really interesting guy with a James Bond lifestyle and tried to fit a square peg into a round hole because that's way more interesting than a suspect who led a very vanilla life.

That being said, I'll be eagerly watching with the rest of you tonight and hoping for a legitimate show that has some real merit behind it. Fingers crossed!

The Alkatraz thing a few months back seemed pretty legitimate. But, then there was also Decoded....

I agree on the description. I was a little disappointed when I read that because that just didn't sound like Cooper to me. But then it occurs to me, that I know nothing of the actual man. Just because a suspect doesn't fit my idea of what Cooper was means nothing. Perhaps this guy was just so out there, that he was just the opposite of what most people thought he was. Perhaps that was a big reason he was never caught. We shall see...

Absolutely. In a way I was almost a little disappointed when I read the description because to me, a suspect who lived a very quiet and normal life is actually more intriguing than one who was totally off the rails. Heck, the skyjack may not have even been the craziest or riskiest thing this guy ever did (if he did it to begin with of course).

You make a great point about how this profile is so much different than what Cooper was pegged for all along and perhaps that's how he slid under our noses for so long.

I thought the Alcatraz show was fascinating for its subject matter. But it lacked any real evidence. The only thing they really ended up with was a photo that may or may not have been them but could have just as easily been any two random guys standing by a tree. So while the subject matter was appealing, there wasn't really much of a bomb drop.

I'm hoping this show will connect some dots in a factual way and not just with circumstantial evidence around an interesting character. Not that circumstantial evidence is worthless by any means -- it's what helped build a good case for several other suspects --- but in order to truly solve the mystery we need more than just a guy that looks like Cooper who had an interest in skydiving and once stayed at a Holiday Inn in Seattle.

I'll be curious to see if they connect him to the tie in any way. The profile says he had "many careers," so that could suggest that at one point he had a career consistent with the titanium particles. But from the rest of the description, it sounds like those "careers" were mostly career criminal activity.

In any case, I am happy to see that this suspect is new. I'd rather spend four hours learning about a new suspect as opposed to just beating a dead horse with an already well-known suspect. It's also extremely exciting to know that this suspect is still alive.

I have a feeling this could be either a very huge breakthrough in the case or a complete flop.

Unless they do a "Blevins" after the end of this saying "we were only saying he might be, or might have been?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 10, 2016, 08:55:34 PM
Get your popcorn ready....it's about time!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 10, 2016, 09:13:45 PM
Is it playing now?

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 10, 2016, 09:14:57 PM
Getting conflicting info on West Coast start time. One HC blurb says 6 PM another says 9.

377
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Post by: MarkBennett on July 10, 2016, 09:16:36 PM
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Getting conflicting info on West Coast start time. One HC blurb says 6 PM another says 9.

377

If you have cable, I think it starts at 9.  If you have satellite, it starts at 6.
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 10, 2016, 09:17:47 PM
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Is it playing now?

377

yes
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 10, 2016, 09:33:11 PM
2.5 hours to kill waiting for it to start. Those who can see it please post tidbits and critiques.

377
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Post by: MarkBennett on July 10, 2016, 09:50:39 PM
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2.5 hours to kill waiting for it to start. Those who can see it please post tidbits and critiques.

377

YOU were just on!
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 10, 2016, 09:51:47 PM
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2.5 hours to kill waiting for it to start. Those who can see it please post tidbits and critiques.

377

YOU were just on!

Bruce as well.

I want autographs!!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 10, 2016, 10:02:08 PM
Wow!  The got Sheridan Peterson to appear!
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 10, 2016, 10:09:27 PM
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Wow!  The got Sheridan Peterson to appear!

Petey is the one that Blevins saw on the promo and thought was Bernie Geestman.

Kenny was dismissed as quickly as he was brought up.

First major error of the show: They claim Duane Weber was a WW2 Paratrooper. Wow, that's a biggie!!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: andrade1812 on July 10, 2016, 10:09:48 PM
Watching Sheridan Peterson's interview on the show makes me sad I'll probably never get to talk to him.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 10, 2016, 10:19:34 PM
They just showed the 2011 symposium and I saw ME!  My fifteen seconds of fame!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: andrade1812 on July 10, 2016, 10:32:50 PM
A plant theory... A PLANT THEORY!!?

Case unsolved.

I guess we know why the video from the FBI's Tena Bar dig was taken off YouTube... It completely disproves the HC suspect.
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 10, 2016, 10:35:41 PM
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A plant theory... A PLANT THEORY!!?

Case unsolved.

I have to say I was very disappointed to see them start with a plant theory. The Ingram interview was interesting.

We have a name now....Dick Briggs.
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 10, 2016, 10:38:43 PM
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A plant theory... A PLANT THEORY!!?

Case unsolved.

I guess we know why the video from the FBI's Tena Bar dig was taken off YouTube... It completely disproves the HC suspect.

Sure looks that way...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 10, 2016, 10:43:22 PM
Robert Wesley Rackstraw?  His photo is on Sluggo's site.

http://n467us.com/answers%20page.htm

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 10, 2016, 10:44:46 PM
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Robert Wesley Rackstraw?  His photo is on Sluggo's site.

http://n467us.com/answers%20page.htm

Lol, so much for Dick Briggs. Has to be the shortest lived Cooper suspect.


He was young for Cooper:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19790207&id=rPJVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_uEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5250,1757839&hl=en

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: smokin99 on July 10, 2016, 10:45:01 PM
Smokin here - I had to rejoin you guys for this - Rackstraw is a known contender - I can't wait to hear the rest of the story !
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 10, 2016, 10:48:02 PM
http://leahclaire.tumblr.com/post/80054381525/seeking-robert-wesley-rackstraw


Holy cow, a lot of viewers on here! might break the record...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nmiwrecks on July 10, 2016, 10:56:55 PM
I believe Rackstraw was the same age as McCoy, putting him at 29YO at the time of the skyjacking.  I have not verified this yet.
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Post by: Shutter on July 10, 2016, 11:01:45 PM
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I believe Rackstraw was the same age as McCoy, putting him at 29YO at the time of the skyjacking.  I have not verified this yet.

This is according to Jo Weber...

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In 1979 Rackstraw was 35 yrs old at the time of his arrest. That would have made Rackstraw about 28 yrs old in 1971. That age just doesn't work. Not one witness put Cooper in under thirty.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 10, 2016, 11:05:35 PM
WOW! They did get Tina!!!
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Post by: MarkBennett on July 10, 2016, 11:06:58 PM
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I believe Rackstraw was the same age as McCoy, putting him at 29YO at the time of the skyjacking.  I have not verified this yet.

This is according to Jo Weber...

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In 1979 Rackstraw was 35 yrs old at the time of his arrest. That would have made Rackstraw about 28 yrs old in 1971. That age just doesn't work. Not one witness put Cooper in under thirty.

That's right.  This article also shows him as 35 in 1979.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19790207&id=rPJVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_uEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5250,1757839&hl=en
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Post by: smokin99 on July 10, 2016, 11:08:56 PM
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I believe Rackstraw was the same age as McCoy, putting him at 29YO at the time of the skyjacking.  I have not verified this yet.

This is according to Jo Weber...

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In 1979 Rackstraw was 35 yrs old at the time of his arrest. That would have made Rackstraw about 28 yrs old in 1971. That age just doesn't work. Not one witness put Cooper in under thirty.

That's right.  This article also shows him as 35 in 1979.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19790207&id=rPJVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_uEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5250,1757839&hl=en

According to 79 articles he was either cleared or at least no longer a suspect.     Dang ... They got Tina too.  Got to say these guys are impressing me .....but I still I don't get why they didn't cut to the chase and find out why he was dismissed as a suspect in 79.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 10, 2016, 11:11:44 PM
Please keep the updates coming. I wasn't able to see the broadcast.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 10, 2016, 11:13:38 PM
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Please keep the updates coming. I wasn't able to see the broadcast.

Believe me, I tried to find a live feed, but it was circles, and join ups leading nowhere. thought I was looking for the Amboy chute owners  O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 10, 2016, 11:18:50 PM
So, they got Tina, which just amazes the shit out of me. But, did you guys catch who the other woman was that was shown on the previews of the next show? It was the woman they were talking to while they were sitting outside. Kind of looked like Florence to me, but can't say for sure.

Also, was that Curtis Eng on tomorrows episode as well? How are they getting these notorious non talkers to talk?
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 10, 2016, 11:20:27 PM
How's Tina Looking? Skinny, like I saw her in 2011, or 50 pounds heavier as in her 2012 Eugene Weekly photo, when she was talking about flying NWO until 1981, and working Orient flights exclusively - and never seeing Kenny!

Being in the dark sure sucks.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nmiwrecks on July 10, 2016, 11:22:01 PM
I was a little disappointed with the "Ingram money find" bait and switch.  It smacked of cheap theatrics. 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 10, 2016, 11:25:00 PM
Kyle, if you are reading the thread, I have approved your membership....welcome aboard  C:-)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Tom Kaye on July 10, 2016, 11:25:49 PM
WOW, not impressed so far. So a big military guy will jump out of an airplane in winter with regular shoes?  He would ask for "front and back chutes"?  And the money find was a plant, complete with degraded rubber bands?  It seems to me they are spending more time on the other suspects and less on the facts that constrain the case like height, weight and age.

Tom Kaye

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: james on July 10, 2016, 11:28:30 PM
The suspect does not have an "Olive complexion", or a "Latin like appearance." also way to young. And hair not dark enough. 
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Post by: georger on July 10, 2016, 11:30:05 PM
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So, they got Tina, which just amazes the shit out of me. But, did you guys catch who the other woman was that was shown on the previews of the next show? It was the woman they were talking to while they were sitting outside. Kind of looked like Florence to me, but can't say for sure.

Also, was that Curtis Eng on tomorrows episode as well? How are they getting these notorious non talkers to talk?

Yes to both. Stay tuned.
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Post by: georger on July 10, 2016, 11:31:44 PM
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The suspect does not have an "Olive complexion", or a "Latin like appearance." also way to young. And hair not dark enough.

Stay tuned.     These guys know the narrative they have to cover. This program is head & shoulders above Decoded.
The first part is a conventional narrative of the DB Cooper case with Tom Kaye topping that off, and sealing it shut. They then did an expedited trip through a few of the notorious suspects and dismissed them quickly top get on to the meat of the show. They stung the Ingrams publicly with their plant theory. Harold did his usual 'bonkers' act. Fuentese took that to mean Harold is lying through his dentures.  :))   I mean folk - this is good stuff! I laughed my ass off through part of this.  ;)

But, a plant theory it is. Fuentes is not convinced. They have an old suspect once dismissed. They are now going to do a Myers-Dvorak-Blevins prosecution of "That Woman", sans Teddy Mayfield and poor Geestman. Curtis Ng was great and to the point - Fuentes smiled.

Point and counterpoint. Counterpoint then reply. Those hippies vs That Woman. Isolda will sing soon enough/ Stay tuned. Tristan and Isolda in four acts.

I love it! It makes the Decoded crap look like something put together and filmed in the basement of the Iowa City Dairy Queen ... where the cockroaches even give "testimony" and three super sleuths translate it!

Very enjoyable so far.   :))   

 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 10, 2016, 11:32:13 PM
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WOW, not impressed so far. So a big military guy will jump out of an airplane in winter with regular shoes?  He would ask for "front and back chutes"?  And the money find was a plant, complete with degraded rubber bands?  It seems to me they are spending more time on the other suspects and less on the facts that constrain the case like height, weight and age.

Tom Kaye


I'm certainly not sold...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: smokin99 on July 10, 2016, 11:39:29 PM
Lol.... I'm not necessarily sold yet on their suspect but you gotta give em kudos for getting the ungettables to appear on their show..and they got the web site and the book set to come out on the 12th so they definitely got some marketing creds too. But that's just me...
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Post by: smokin99 on July 10, 2016, 11:42:33 PM
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Lol.... I'm not necessarily sold yet on their suspect but you gotta give em kudos for getting the ungettables to appear on their show..and they got the web site and the book set to come out on the 12th so they definitely got some marketing creds too. But that's just me...

Another link on RWR...
http://valor.militarytimes.com/recipient.php?recipientid=95801

Oops that is Robert ...never mind :) that's what happens when my fingers go faster than my brain .
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 10, 2016, 11:46:02 PM
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Lol.... I'm not necessarily sold yet on their suspect but you gotta give em kudos for getting the ungettables to appear on their show..and they got the web site and the book set to come out on the 12th so they definitely got some marketing creds too. But that's just me...

Do we know his height. eye color?
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Post by: smokin99 on July 10, 2016, 11:49:56 PM
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Lol.... I'm not necessarily sold yet on their suspect but you gotta give em kudos for getting the ungettables to appear on their show..and they got the web site and the book set to come out on the 12th so they definitely got some marketing creds too. But that's just me...

Do we know his height. eye color?

Still looking I do think that his him on the valor page though - I thought I had posted the wrong link but that looks like it might be him - At least name and dates fit with what they had on show.

http://valor.militarytimes.com/recipient.php?recipientid=95801
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 10, 2016, 11:50:04 PM
Could this be him?

https://www.intelius.com/people/Robert-Rackstraw/06xjsmnf0nr
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Post by: georger on July 10, 2016, 11:52:56 PM
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Lol.... I'm not necessarily sold yet on their suspect but you gotta give em kudos for getting the ungettables to appear on their show..and they got the web site and the book set to come out on the 12th so they definitely got some marketing creds too. But that's just me...

Do we know his height. eye color?

Still looking I do think that his him on the valor page though - I thought I had posted the wrong link but that looks like it might be him - At least name and dates fit with what they had on show.

http://valor.militarytimes.com/recipient.php?recipientid=95801

Thats him. He has the rare two silver stars I believe.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: jason.waterfalls on July 10, 2016, 11:54:16 PM
So they get a suspect that denies he is DB Cooper. 
Who is this Forbes guy?  I feel like he works for the FBI or something. Can't put my finger on it, but it is almost like he is trying to puposely steer away from the most logical suspects.

Roberts grudge didn't seem enough to hijack a plane..
They only got the robert suspect, because they fell into a tweaker rabbit hole.

I think the money was planted there..
And I think the grudge was specifically the U.S. goverment, and how it dealt with native Americans.

Something also tells me the cooper could have been CIA, and it was a game to make the fbi look ridiculous.

I'm just building more rabbit holes.
I know who cooper is,,  I'll never tell though
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: andrade1812 on July 11, 2016, 12:19:09 AM
Do we have height and eye color info on Rackstraw?
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Post by: Robert99 on July 11, 2016, 12:36:11 AM
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Do we have height and eye color info on Rackstraw?

Rackstraw was described as being short and heavy set.  That doesn't sound like 6 feet and about 180 pounds.

If Rackstraw is Cooper, then I am Minerva Mouse. :))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: smokin99 on July 11, 2016, 01:13:36 AM
pic from 1970
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Post by: smokin99 on July 11, 2016, 01:39:48 AM
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pic from 1970

LOL...there is a boat registration for a Robert W Rackstraw... I'm not paying the 7.99 to get demographics but the boat's name is "Poverty sucks".

Actually you can see demographics on another site if you google it.. 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: smokin99 on July 11, 2016, 01:50:34 AM
Surely they will get into more details tomorrow nite -- or the interview will be on youtube if it's not already.
Time will tell on the physical attributes, though he certainly seems to have had the background and balls...  :)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 11, 2016, 01:51:30 AM
http://leahclaire.tumblr.com/post/80054381525/seeking-robert-wesley-rackstraw
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 11, 2016, 01:56:51 AM
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19790207&id=rPJVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_uEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5250,1757839&hl=en
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Post by: georger on July 11, 2016, 01:58:11 AM
http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/12z1gqnms/superior-court-of-california-county-of-riverside/rackstraw-vs-municipal-court/
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 11, 2016, 01:58:56 AM
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/62465827/

and it goes on and on and on, too many newspaper articles to post - see Google.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 02:20:52 AM
I just received an email from Colbert. he stopped by our forum this evening "glanced a few comments". it was a rather long email, but I will post a piece..

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Because Rackstraw's name is out more conclusive testimonials have been posted tonight on DBCooper.com. 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 11, 2016, 02:30:05 AM
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I just received an email from Colbert. he stopped by our forum this evening "glanced a few comments". it was a rather long email, but I will post a piece..

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Because Rackstraw's name is out more conclusive testimonials have been posted tonight on DBCooper.com. 

But Rackstraw is not a new suspect. I dont get it. He may be an old one that was dismissed for all the wrong reasons but he still is an old suspect. He's a character and the real McCoy for sure; but which real McCoy? He seems to have been suffering from PTSD and in and out of a lot of trouble. He may have a strong alibi ... like being in some jail in who knows where on the night of the hijacking ? Would he even bother with something as timid as a domestic hijacking when he can earn more than $200k retrieving hijacked planes on his own terms? That's the problem with trying to turn super heroes into common hijackers. Super Man just didnt have the time or the inclination with super stunts already booked knee deep on his agenda, between Court dates!  :))   
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 02:47:40 AM
The photo above Georger posted doesn't look like someone who weighs 180 lbs? very skinny neck, or is that the angle of the photo?
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Post by: georger on July 11, 2016, 02:55:45 AM
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The photo above Georger posted doesn't look like someone who weighs 180 lbs? very skinny neck, or is that the angle of the photo?

I just dont know. My fear is another 'does he fit the description' war is about to erupt.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 09:14:00 AM
So far the poll is against the new suspect being DB Cooper. tonite should be very interesting. it sure fired things up here, and across the globe.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 09:25:40 AM
Sheridan Peterson (aka Bernie Geestman) according to the crack investigative team at "Unsolved Crimes"

Talk about over reaction.... O0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w7ApiVrrn0
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 11, 2016, 09:36:26 AM
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Sheridan Peterson (aka Bernie Geestman) according to the crack investigative team at "Unsolved Crimes"

Talk about over reaction.... O0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w7ApiVrrn0

Not only do Peterson and Bernie look alike (?), they apparently have the same front door. Go figure.

Also, I've not seen any mention of this yet, but Marla sure didn't do herself any favors last night.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 09:38:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPGK-whov9U
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Post by: MarkBennett on July 11, 2016, 09:51:55 AM
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Do we have height and eye color info on Rackstraw?

Rackstraw was described as being short and heavy set.  That doesn't sound like 6 feet and about 180 pounds.

If Rackstraw is Cooper, then I am Minerva Mouse. :))
I'll have to re-watch, but I thought they said Dick Briggs was short and heavy set.  That's why he couldn't have been Cooper.  They have not yet described Rackstraw I don't think.
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 11, 2016, 09:58:49 AM
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Do we have height and eye color info on Rackstraw?

Rackstraw was described as being short and heavy set.  That doesn't sound like 6 feet and about 180 pounds.

If Rackstraw is Cooper, then I am Minerva Mouse. :))
I'll have to re-watch, but I thought they said Dick Briggs was short and heavy set.  That's why he couldn't have been Cooper.  They have not yet described Rackstraw I don't think.

" Though he denied any connection to the D.B. Cooper skyjack case, the man whose phvsical description roughly matches that of the elusive sus- pecf clearly enjoyed his role as the newest focal point of speculation about the case."

Though it's hard to read, here is the link:

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/150756075/

You can scroll down to the bottom of the page to try and read the article.

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Post by: Robert99 on July 11, 2016, 10:38:56 AM
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Sheridan Peterson (aka Bernie Geestman) according to the crack investigative team at "Unsolved Crimes"

Talk about over reaction.... O0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w7ApiVrrn0

Not only do Peterson and Bernie look alike (?), they apparently have the same front door. Go figure.

Also, I've not seen any mention of this yet, but Marla sure didn't do herself any favors last night.

Marla was shot down in flames. ;)
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Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 10:46:15 AM
Colbert sent me another email about the description...

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Six feet, 180-200 pounds, brown eyes
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Post by: Robert99 on July 11, 2016, 10:50:10 AM
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Do we have height and eye color info on Rackstraw?

Rackstraw was described as being short and heavy set.  That doesn't sound like 6 feet and about 180 pounds.

If Rackstraw is Cooper, then I am Minerva Mouse. :))
I'll have to re-watch, but I thought they said Dick Briggs was short and heavy set.  That's why he couldn't have been Cooper.  They have not yet described Rackstraw I don't think.

I could be wrong on that.  If the picture of Rackstraw that Georger posted is correct, then he could be too skinny to be Cooper.

Did you notice that Peterson was wearing a "Bernie" button?  He is apparently still interested in politics.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 11, 2016, 10:59:00 AM
A few random thoughts.  Please add yours....

1) When they asked Sheridan Peterson if they asked him if the FBI asked him if he was Cooper.  He laugh was odd.  It was loud and went on too long.  Then, they cut away.  How come they never asked him if he was Cooper?  Doesn't mean anything, but it was just weird.

2) Dwayne Ingram is only about 63 years old, I think.  He looks much older.  He's had a hard life.  His response appears to be more one of disgust.  Why did they not ask him why he responded that way?

3)  Marla really came off as a flake.  If she did that in 2011, how did her story get so far? 

4)  Their implication that the money was planted seems to be a common urban myth in that area.  Grey Cop says someone told him that as well.  However, that was the piece that was used to tie the money to Dick Briggs.  So far, true or false, it does nothing to tie the money to Robert Rackstraw.

5)  I'm still surprised they didn't talk to Robert Blevins.  I think his report is all speculation, but Kenny is one of the more well known suspects and they were right here in Seattle.   Maybe they did and chose not to use it, but Robert's comments on his site seem to indicate they didn't.

6)  When they disqualified other suspects, how much of that was from their interviews and how much of that was things the FBI told them?  I assume they didn't disqualify suspects willy-nilly, so maybe they matched their video to what they already knew?

7) Can we expect any other news media to talk to Rackstraw today?

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: EVickiW on July 11, 2016, 11:02:11 AM
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Do we have height and eye color info on Rackstraw?

Rackstraw was described as being short and heavy set.  That doesn't sound like 6 feet and about 180 pounds.

If Rackstraw is Cooper, then I am Minerva Mouse. :))
I'll have to re-watch, but I thought they said Dick Briggs was short and heavy set.  That's why he couldn't have been Cooper.  They have not yet described Rackstraw I don't think.

I could be wrong on that.  If the picture of Rackstraw that Georger posted is correct, then he could be too skinny to be Cooper.

Did you notice that Peterson was wearing a "Bernie" button?  He is apparently still interested in politics.

Here is an article posted in 1970 with the photo georger posted. I am going back in my head remembering what Bill Mitchell wrote me in an email. The person he remembers as Cooper did not resemble the sketch and also had a turkey neck. I have not seen a photo of Rackstraw with a turkey neck. Also, the video with Rackstraw shows reddish brown hair.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: sailshaw on July 11, 2016, 11:08:55 AM
Shutter:   The TV History Chnl. last night was way off and the third hour Kenney Christensen plunder was just another Blevin shot at his suspect that is too, too, too short at 5 ft 10 in. The story did interview Sheridan Peterson who is DB Cooper but the interview did not know my information that the FLAW I found in Sheridan's phony alibi that he was busy delivering one of his two children in Nepal shows he lied to the FBI as none of his children were born in 1971 the year of the skyjacking. Hos son was born in 1970 and the daughter in 1972 per persopo.com public records. That FLAW and  LIE are the same as a confession as there was no reason for a person to lie to the FBI unless "THEY ARE DB COOPER".
The TV show did have the interview with Sheridan who is still alive in California (about 90 years old). He used the same old story that DB did not know what he was doing (same phony story that Earl Cossey used and why I think they might have been partners in the caper). Interesting but the three hour (Blevin BS) was a waste of TV time.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com
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Post by: Robert99 on July 11, 2016, 11:17:03 AM
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Shutter:   The TV History Chnl. last night was way off and the third hour Kenney Christensen plunder was just another Blevin shot at his suspect that is too, too, too short at 5 ft 10 in. The story did interview Sheridan Peterson who is DB Cooper but the interview did not know my information that the FLAW I found in Sheridan's phony alibi that he was busy delivering one of his two children in Nepal shows he lied to the FBI as none of his children were born in 1971 the year of the skyjacking. Hos son was born in 1970 and the daughter in 1972 per persopo.com public records. That FLAW and  LIE are the same as a confession as there was no reason for a person to lie to the FBI unless "THEY ARE DB COOPER".
The TV show did have the interview with Sheridan who is still alive in California (about 90 years old). He used the same old story that DB did not know what he was doing (same phony story that Earl Cossey used and why I think they might have been partners in the caper). Interesting but the three hour (Blevin BS) was a waste of TV time.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com

You better be careful not to agitate Peterson.  He still looks like he could come up to Seattle and kick your butt good. >:D
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 11:17:55 AM
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5)  I'm still surprised they didn't talk to Robert Blevins.  I think his report is all speculation, but Kenny is one of the more well known suspects and they were right here in Seattle.   Maybe they did and chose not to use it, but Robert's comments on his site seem to indicate they didn't.

Well, perhaps they just don't believe the whole story? most of us don't. I know Robert relies heavily on testimony, but remembering the things they are quoted saying just don't sit well with me. the FBI has had loads of information sent to them by Robert, just as Jo has done over the years. that's very telling in what the FBI believes. there is no money connection, the house was too small to brag about in the first place. Bernie's lying? Bernie says Roberts lying? the Decoded show concluded that Bernie was not the accomplice, and dozens more problems, so I think it's possible the answer is already written?
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Post by: EVickiW on July 11, 2016, 11:32:41 AM
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5)  I'm still surprised they didn't talk to Robert Blevins.  I think his report is all speculation, but Kenny is one of the more well known suspects and they were right here in Seattle.   Maybe they did and chose not to use it, but Robert's comments on his site seem to indicate they didn't.

Well, perhaps they just don't believe the whole story? most of us don't. I know Robert relies heavily on testimony, but remembering the things they are quoted saying just don't sit well with me. the FBI has had loads of information sent to them by Robert, just as Jo has done over the years. that's very telling in what the FBI believes. there is no money connection, the house was too small to brag about in the first place. Bernie's lying? Bernie says Roberts lying? the Decoded show concluded that Bernie was not the accomplice, and dozens more problems, so I think it's possible the answer is already written?

The show last night showed Curtis Eng claiming that without evidence they will not look into a suspect. This is why my father, a man with a criminal background and missing since 1971, is just shoved to the wayside. Unfortunately, Larry Carr is off the case. He was the one looking for a missing person.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 11:35:30 AM
My computer is rebooting after a power failure. Colbert said i could release the photos
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 11:40:51 AM
Ok, back up and running...this is only a portion of the timeline photo's... C:-)

Colbert states
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Thanks for being cautious. If I'm sending it to you or referral to website, you can assume it's all for release.

I noticed I was correct about the guy pinned on the bulletin board  C:-)

The whole timeline is either on his site, or will be soon...  http://dbcooper.com/
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 12:41:28 PM
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The show last night showed Curtis Eng claiming that without evidence they will not look into a suspect.


Apparently, they don't believe Robert has any evidence. again, very telling  C:-)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 12:49:09 PM
We are getting a spike in memberships  C:-) for those who have joined, I have approved your membership in case the sutomatic email wasn't received.

Thank You, and welcome aboard  C:-)

Shutter
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 11, 2016, 12:50:34 PM
Sheridan Peterson looked just GREAT, and he was mentally sharp, so glad to see that. Hope I am doing half that well at his age. Mary Jane also looked great and really knows how to give an engaging interview. I think she still has lingering suspicions about Peterson.

Sheridan's statement about the pilots rig (NB 8 harness container with a non sleeved C9 canopy) shredding at a terminal velocity opening and killing Cooper is pure hogwash and he knows it. I wonder why he says stuff like that?

You couldn't pick a better canopy than a C9 for a high speed opening. Sheridan wasn't just a casual skydiver, he had a D (expert) license and lots of experience including night jumps, water jumps and wilderness jumps carrying a large firefighting payload.

C9: http://www.parachuteshop.com/C-9_surplus_parachute.htm

From the link above: "C-9 type parachutes are the same ones used in the ACES II ejection seats in F-15, F-16, pretty much all current U.S. jet fighters and personal parachutes in cargo airplanes like the C-130."

The C9 dates from at least the early 1950s (the one I jumped had a 1951 mfr date stamp) and is STILL the canopy of choice for modern day jet fighter ejection systems. What other military lifesaving hardware designs from the 1950s are still used today? The C9 is a PHENOMENALLY tough canopy.

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Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 11, 2016, 12:57:02 PM
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4)  Their implication that the money was planted seems to be a common urban myth in that area.  Grey Cop says someone told him that as well.  However, that was the piece that was used to tie the money to Dick Briggs.  So far, true or false, it does nothing to tie the money to Robert Rackstraw.


I'm interested to see if they circle back to this tonight. They sort of left the money connection to Rackstraw open ended last night. So maybe tonight they'll revisit that and connect the dot between Rackstraw and Briggs' supposed knowledge of the money.

Plenty of good circumstantial evidence and certainly a guy with the skill set and motive to pull it off along with a more-or-less resemblance to the physical description. But the question for tonight is, will there be any factual evidence to support it all or just more arguments about how the suspect "seems like the kind of guy that could have done this."  They said they have 93 pieces of evidence. Will any of them link Rackstraw to the money? To the tie? Anything? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 12:59:55 PM
It's my understanding after emailing Colbert that they know where he was on 11/24/1971, so yes this should get rather interesting...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 11, 2016, 01:10:09 PM
You gotta hand it to the folks at LMNO. They got interviews with people who have shunned many other attempts. Very impressive.

Funny that they showed a photo of a Paracommander type sport chute as I was describing the attributes of a C9. They had sent me canopy photos and asked which one was a C9. I gave them correct info but they ended up showing a sport canopy. Not a big deal at all, but the old timers will sure spot the error.

I wish they had asked Sheridan about his prior denial of ever knowing or renting a room from Sailshaw. I am 100% convinced that this denial is a lie and it would have been interesting for them to probe deeper.

I don't think Sheridan wants to kick anybody's butt. He espouses non violence convincingly.

His travel diary, of which he is clearly proud, is simply amazing. Reads like a CIA itinerary. Maybe he just has a nose for historical events that are about to occur.

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on July 11, 2016, 01:16:05 PM
Im new here but have been fascinated with DB Cooper since I was a kid. I'm fairly certain this is his latest Facebook page. I found it thru Robert Rackstraw's older Facebook page. Airborne Bob and Robert are the same man and are both friends on both of their pages. There is even pics of him flying a biplane with his wife.
Here the link to "Airborne Bob" https://m.facebook.com/public/Airborne-Bob#~!/airborne.bob.7
Here is the link to "Bob" Rawkstraw https://m.facebook.com/public/Airborne-Bob#~!/bob.rackstraw.3?pn_ref=friends_search

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on July 11, 2016, 01:36:31 PM
Also I ran across the obituary for who I think is Dick Briggs.
He was a merchant marine and get this he worked for Boeing. He also
Lived in Seattle.
http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/seattletimes/obituary.aspx?n=&pid=172696909&referrer=0&preview=True
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Post by: georger on July 11, 2016, 01:51:30 PM
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4)  Their implication that the money was planted seems to be a common urban myth in that area.  Grey Cop says someone told him that as well.  However, that was the piece that was used to tie the money to Dick Briggs.  So far, true or false, it does nothing to tie the money to Robert Rackstraw.


I'm interested to see if they circle back to this tonight. They sort of left the money connection to Rackstraw open ended last night. So maybe tonight they'll revisit that and connect the dot between Rackstraw and Briggs' supposed knowledge of the money.

Plenty of good circumstantial evidence and certainly a guy with the skill set and motive to pull it off along with a more-or-less resemblance to the physical description. But the question for tonight is, will there be any factual evidence to support it all or just more arguments about how the suspect "seems like the kind of guy that could have done this."  They said they have 93 pieces of evidence. Will any of them link Rackstraw to the money? To the tie? Anything? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

There are lots of ways to focus on the DB Cooper case. "Skill sets" is one of them. "Skill set" seems to be the central focus of this program so far.

We have debated this for years because we dont know who Cooper was! Was "skill set" central to this hijacking or something else? Random opportunity perhaps? The tech people always want to focus on skill sets and manuals and radios and chutes etc. We can name these people! Marla took that angle!

But of course "skill sets" may have had nothing to do with who Cooper was or the reasons for this hijacking.

Colbert says "skill sets" was central. It's his burden to prove it.

Did I leave out: prints, dna, facts that put a person on the plane? Fuentes remains unconvinced! Maybe Fuentes is not convinced by "skill sets" alone.  :)) :))     

This program theory is using "skill sets", drug culture, plant theory, sub culture anti authority ism, narcissism, and pure blind stupidity and trust of total strangers as its central premises! That's a big brew of ingredients and assumptions. One little break in this chain of fragile logic and the whole thing comes apart as just another complex what-if.

I can easily imagine the real DB Cooper watching all of this then asking: Jesus H Christ! Did I do all of that?
 :)) 

 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 11, 2016, 02:05:26 PM
 G wrote: Maybe Fuentes is not convinced by "skill sets" alone.

I spent some time with Fuentes. He is all about probative evidence not conjecture or "best fits" to a possibly biased profile. He has the skepticism and savvy of a street cop, because he was one before working his way up to asst FBI director. He knows what it takes to successfully prosecute a case.

377

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on July 11, 2016, 02:18:25 PM
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Also I ran across the obituary for who I think is Dick Briggs.
He was a merchant marine and get this he worked for Boeing. He also
Lived in Seattle.
http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/seattletimes/obituary.aspx?n=&pid=172696909&referrer=0&preview=True

Briggs obituary states that he was one of the first American Army officers to enter Austria after WW2.  When that war ended, Briggs was just 14 years old so he must have been a prodigy of one kind or another.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 11, 2016, 02:25:32 PM
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G wrote: Maybe Fuentes is not convinced by "skill sets" alone.

I spent some time with Fuentes. He is all about probative evidence not conjecture or "best fits" to a possibly biased profile. He has the skepticism and savvy of a street cop, because he was one before working his way up to asst FBI director. He knows what it takes to successfully prosecute a case.

377

That's what I am saying.

This has been debated for years by thousands of people! Maybe "skill sets" didnt have anything to do with who Cooper was and this hijacking!

Carr tried to use McCoy as the gold-standard for hijackings. How did Cooper's performance compare with McCoy's "skill set". This program has now elevated the skill set way over McCoy's head as the minimum skill set required to do any hijacking! Smith has always pushed "skill set" as dominant over everything else.

There is no guarantee that "skill sets" alone will ever solve this case.

We are also asked to believe that a person with a high IQ and Triple Silver Star skill assets used inferior Hippies Yokuls who could barely tie their shoes to bury money for him, since they all were tied together by a common drug dealer culture! All of this then fooled the FBI who are fools?  :))  Superior social skill sets and opportunity are running this whole game! 

It makes for a nice allegory on TV but I doubt it will replace Star Wars, or convince Curtis Ng at the Seattle FBI!

Tom Colbert is not Shakespeare!         :)) :))  It will take an audience of total fools to believe this complicated yarn much less remember it all! When does the game version appear at Amazon and how much for it?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 11, 2016, 02:38:18 PM
G wrote: It will take an audience of total fools to believe this complicated yarn

Total fools abound in and around the Vortex. No supply constraint.  ;)

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 11, 2016, 02:41:33 PM
R99 wrote:  Briggs obituary states that he was one of the first American Army officers to enter Austria after WW2.  When that war ended, Briggs was just 14 years old so he must have been a prodigy of one kind or another.

Briggs and Barb Dayton were part of an elite group of WW2 child super-soldiers. Remember her teenage war stories?

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Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on July 11, 2016, 03:17:49 PM
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R99 wrote:  Briggs obituary states that he was one of the first American Army officers to enter Austria after WW2.  When that war ended, Briggs was just 14 years old so he must have been a prodigy of one kind or another.

Briggs and Barb Dayton were part of an elite group of WW2 child super-soldiers. Remember her teenage war stories?

377

I must confess that I didn't get very far in checking into the Barb Dayton saga.  In fact, I don't think I made it through the first paragraph. ::)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 11, 2016, 04:10:07 PM
I don't know if Tom Colbert is still monitoring this thread, but if he is, I think it would be nice if they release a DVD of this project, they include more lengthy versions of the interviews with the various parties on this first night. 

Even in a four hour broadcast, it still feels rushed because there is so much information.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: sailshaw on July 11, 2016, 05:04:37 PM
Shutter:  I said "Blevin shot at his suspect that is too, too, too short at 5 ft 10 in."

The above statement is in error and should have read 5ft 8in and is way too short for anyone to include Christensen as a suspect

The History channel wasted the third hour of their program on Blevins and Christensen. That is a lot of TV time gone to waste.

Bob Sailshaw
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Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 05:09:16 PM
Well, it appears we are going into the final moments here. the forum has been busy since the start of the show. I would to thank everyone who stopped by, and those who joined. I hope you like what we have to offer here.

I'm sorry about the glitches the forum has. I am working on the problem. for now, refresh each page to insure it's been updated. I've been rather busy in the last 24 hrs, so I'm hoping to join in on the play by play this evening.

Shutter
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: sailshaw on July 11, 2016, 05:19:17 PM
377   You say "Mary Jane also looked great and really knows how to give an engaging interview. I think she still has lingering suspicions about Peterson."  I say " what would she say about the phony alibi of Sheridan of bing in Nepal delivering one of his two children when they were not born in 1971 (Norjak sykjacking) but the son was born in 1970 and the daughter in 1972 per persopo.com public records?"
Can we get that question to Mary Jane?

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com 
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 11, 2016, 05:21:01 PM
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A few random thoughts.  Please add yours....

...3)  Marla really came off as a flake.  If she did that in 2011, how did her story get so far? 
...


Marla's story got traction because it was presented to the Seattle FBI by an FBI agent. This individual was from the mid-west, and had worked with Arlen Dorney, the Oklahoma cop who first helped Marla organize her story and the facts that she had assembled. Dorney asked this FBI agent to help get the Uncle LD dossier onto Curtis Eng's desk.

Apparently, he was successful.

This FBI agent still remains unidentified, but he was an undercover agent in the Chicago office of the FBI's Organized Crime Division, run by Tom Fuentes for a time before he became the FBI Assistant Director of International Operations.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: sailshaw on July 11, 2016, 05:22:30 PM
377   You say "Mary Jane also looked great and really knows how to give an engaging interview. I think she still has lingering suspicions about Peterson."  I say " what would she say about the phony alibi of Sheridan of bing in Nepal delivering one of his two children when they were not born in 1971 (Norjak sykjacking) but the son was born in 1970 and the daughter in 1972 per persopo.com public records?"
Can we get that question to Mary Jane?

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 05:24:12 PM
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Shutter:  I said "Blevin shot at his suspect that is too, too, too short at 5 ft 10 in."

The above statement is in error and should have read 5ft 8in and is way too short for anyone to include Christensen as a suspect

The History channel wasted the third hour of their program on Blevins and Christensen. That is a lot of TV time gone to waste.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com


Error noted. the History channel pretty much runs the show. I guess they decided to end the evening with Decoded. most people who really follow the case will notice large holes in the entire show. we seem to be all over the board again with descriptions, bald guys, young guys. by the end of the month Cooper will end up being one of those grey thingy's that show up on farms late at nite in the middle of nowhere  :)) :)) :)) :))
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 11, 2016, 05:39:37 PM
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... Smith has always pushed "skill set" as dominant over everything else.

There is no guarantee that "skill sets" alone will ever solve this case...


Who is this "Smith" that you are referring to? I am a strong proponent of looking at the evidence first, and building a case from there: Titanium on the tie, DNA, and fingerprints.

Yes, "skill sets" and social networks are important, but they don't over-ride the importance of the evidence.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 11, 2016, 05:40:57 PM
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You gotta hand it to the folks at LMNO. They got interviews with people who have shunned many other attempts. Very impressive.

377


Yup, I am impressed.

And jealous...
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Post by: Chad Triplett on July 11, 2016, 05:54:34 PM
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Also I ran across the obituary for who I think is Dick Briggs.
He was a merchant marine and get this he worked for Boeing. He also
Lived in Seattle.
http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/seattletimes/obituary.aspx?n=&pid=172696909&referrer=0&preview=True

Briggs obituary states that he was one of the first American Army officers to enter Austria after WW2.  When that war ended, Briggs was just 14 years old so he must have been a prodigy of one kind or another.

His obituary says he lied about his age when he joined the merchant Marines and he was 16 when he returned stateside and then finished high school.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 05:55:19 PM
Hmmm, the poll at the top of the forum seems to be shifting  C:-)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 11, 2016, 06:06:43 PM
Based on the clips that I've seen so far, Colbert and Crew have filmed some notables in Norjak that few, if any, of us have been able to do. Congratulations to Tom Colbert, LMNO and all the folks who did the hard work of discovery and outreach. I am greatly impressed.

Top o' the list are:

1. Sheridan Peterson
2. Mary Jean Fryer
3. John Detlor
4. Bob Fuhriman
5. Himmelsbach in his home!

And TINA!
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Post by: georger on July 11, 2016, 06:35:54 PM
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Based on the clips that I've seen so far, Colbert and Crew have filmed some notables in Norjak that few, if any, of us have been able to do. Congratulations to Tom Colbert, LMNO and all the folks who did the hard work of discovery and outreach. I am greatly impressed.

Top o' the list are:

1. Sheridan Peterson
2. Mary Jean Fryer
3. John Detlor
4. Bob Fuhriman
5. Himmelsbach in his home!

And TINA!

Im hoping two more appear tonight!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Olemisscub on July 11, 2016, 06:39:07 PM
I'm fascinated to see what Tina has to say.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 11, 2016, 08:58:06 PM
Inside tidbits

Family from NY has called to ask some details of how, where and when I was filmed. To begin, LMNO filmed me in September, at Thun Field. I was sitting in a hangar owned by Cliff Kluge, a Delta pilot and friend of the Forman's who were being filmed in the hangar directly across the tarmac from Cliff's place. Yes, Cliff's hangar is totally cluttered with aviation stuff.

The Formans were filmed first, in the morning, then we call had lunch at the Hangar Inn. Then, I was filmed and was in front of the camera for two hours. Family says that I have lost weight since the filming, too!

My Honey Bun has taped the show, and she Skyped the portion that I'm in, along with Mark's commentary on the C-9 and Boeing's awareness of the 727 and its jump capabilities.

I've emailed Tom Colbert to get a DVD of the entire show, but he says that copies are not currently available. Not sure why.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 11, 2016, 08:59:09 PM
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I'm fascinated to see what Tina has to say.

Long time, no hear, Olemisscubbie. Wassup?
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 11, 2016, 09:00:32 PM
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Based on the clips that I've seen so far, Colbert and Crew have filmed some notables in Norjak that few, if any, of us have been able to do. Congratulations to Tom Colbert, LMNO and all the folks who did the hard work of discovery and outreach. I am greatly impressed.

Top o' the list are:

1. Sheridan Peterson
2. Mary Jean Fryer
3. John Detlor
4. Bob Fuhriman
5. Himmelsbach in his home!

And TINA!

Im hoping two more appear tonight!

Curtis and Larry? Those are two BIG MISSING people from the show, from what I hear. And they certainly aren't talking to me...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: smokin99 on July 11, 2016, 09:19:20 PM
I dunno....I'll have to see more pictures but from those that Shutter posted I'm not convinced that Norman and Robert are even  the same person.. I missed that part of the show so maybe there's more pics
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: smokin99 on July 11, 2016, 09:48:40 PM

Dang but they were going all around themselves to make Mitchell's mis identification mean something that circled back around to Cooper. I don't think I'm buying  the psycho babble ....
Yep sometimes a banana is just a banana
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Post by: MarkBennett on July 11, 2016, 09:55:10 PM
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Dang but they were going all around themselves to make Mitchell's mis identification mean something that circled back around to Cooper. I don't think I'm buying  the psycho babble ....
Yep sometimes a banana is just a banana

The other issue I had with Mitchell's ID....He's memory has been tainted by other public information over the years.  The fact that he knew who McCoy was means he's been influenced by things he's seen since.

When Vicki and I had lunch with him, Bill Mitchell said his memories were "bits and pieces" and he wasn't sure he could do a 100% ID any more.  He also had some confused memories of things he had no reason to remember.  For example, he remembers Flo being the flight attendant who brought the money in.

He answered everything I asked him as best he could.  It has just been so long ago.......
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 10:21:56 PM
Seattle is closing the cooper case. At least from an adminstrative point.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: smokin99 on July 11, 2016, 10:22:05 PM
Lol yep. Parachute or the money that's what I've always thought it would take and even with that you'd have a hell of a time getting a conviction .

tina's up!
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Post by: MarkBennett on July 11, 2016, 10:25:58 PM
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Seattle is closing the cooper case. At least from an adminstrative point.

Marla said that's what Eng told her a few years ago.  Not sure what the difference is except there won't be an agent assigned to the case anymore.
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Post by: smokin99 on July 11, 2016, 10:28:29 PM
Say what you will about their suspect and whether they make their case or not....my hats off to them ....other than some slight areas of Monday morning quarterbacking on how they should have laid it all out....I think they have done a jam up job on the show so far.
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Post by: MarkBennett on July 11, 2016, 10:41:26 PM
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Say what you will about their suspect and whether they make their case or not....my hats off to them ....other than some slight areas of Monday morning quarterbacking on how they should have laid it all out....I think they have done a jam up job on the show so far.

They really have.   The could have slanted it towards their suspect, but they've done a good job in playing it straight.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: smokin99 on July 11, 2016, 10:42:33 PM
Good interview with Tina and Bill - and now the The big question is asked and we go to commercial
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Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 10:54:13 PM
Ouch...thats going  to leave a mark
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Post by: smokin99 on July 11, 2016, 10:54:56 PM
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Say what you will about their suspect and whether they make their case or not....my hats off to them ....other than some slight areas of Monday morning quarterbacking on how they should have laid it all out....I think they have done a jam up job on the show so far.

They really have.   The could have slanted it towards their suspect, but they've done a good job in playing it straight.

Yes they said at the start they felt they had their guy but played it straight and let the chips fall where they may - and though they may still be vested in Rackstraw from what I hear it's been an honest presentation.
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Post by: smokin99 on July 11, 2016, 11:06:12 PM
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Ouch...thats going  to leave a mark

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Ouch...thats going  to leave a mark

Yeah I think they started making loose connections at one point but I don't blame him for still wanting to know exactly what convinced the fbi to stop investigating Rackstraw ---  though I do understand why they probably wouldn't do a point by point assessment of his 93 pieces of evidence.
 I just don't see the reason they can't say why it's not him but I guess On the other hand if it's not him he's got a right to his privacy.

I want that BOX and all those envelopes !!!  :) :)

And there's Ckret
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: smokin99 on July 11, 2016, 11:07:42 PM
****applause**** good show
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 11, 2016, 11:09:04 PM
Well damn.
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Post by: MarkBennett on July 11, 2016, 11:11:07 PM
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Well damn.
Not really going to help sell Tom's book, is it?
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Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 11:23:35 PM
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Well damn.
Not really going to help sell Tom's book, is it?

No, it's not.....when a witness tells you something, you really need to listen to them. I think if it was Cooper's voice, she would of turned different shades.

Once again, this shows how the main witnesses in the case struggle for things, and yet we have people stating a little girl seen the bomb being constructed after 40+ years, in detail?

Marla, she also needs to let it go. she sounded like she was reading from the DZ, and throwing things she read in the past. they seen right through her...
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Post by: georger on July 11, 2016, 11:24:42 PM
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****applause**** good show

+1  :)
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Post by: smokin99 on July 11, 2016, 11:27:26 PM
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Well damn.
Not really going to help sell Tom's book, is it?

I'm still getting it - I'm a sucker for a cooper book - can't say they convinced me but it is pretty interesting stuff.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: andrade1812 on July 11, 2016, 11:30:29 PM
Pretty frustrating, the one piece of evidence people need to hear, imho, is the tie evidence. This is where we'll get new leads, this is what the revival in the investigation showed: That Cooper worked with exotic metals found in only a couple of places in 1971, and they failed to present it. Huge lost opportunity.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 11:33:05 PM
That was the first time I've seen "ding a Eng"  C:-)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: smokin99 on July 11, 2016, 11:33:34 PM
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Well damn.
Not really going to help sell Tom's book, is it?

No, it's not.....when a witness tells you something, you really need to listen to them. I think if it was Cooper's voice, she would of turned different shades.

Once again, this shows how the main witnesses in the case struggle for things, and yet we have people stating a little girl seen the bomb being constructed after 40+ years, in detail?

Marla, she also needs to let it go. she sounded like she was reading from the DZ, and throwing things she read in the past. they seen right through her...

Yeah  she just kind of added on as she went .... Must be this Georgia heat ...it's not for everyone, bless her heart!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 11:35:55 PM
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Pretty frustrating, the one piece of evidence people need to hear, imho, is the tie evidence. This is where we'll get new leads, this is what the revival in the investigation showed: That Cooper worked with exotic metals found in only a couple of places in 1971, and they failed to present it. Huge lost opportunity.


Perhaps, a new show can stay away from the suspect area, and focus on hard facts, and science that can give a better picture of the case, and how it should be presented?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 11:37:26 PM
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Well damn.
Not really going to help sell Tom's book, is it?

No, it's not.....when a witness tells you something, you really need to listen to them. I think if it was Cooper's voice, she would of turned different shades.

Once again, this shows how the main witnesses in the case struggle for things, and yet we have people stating a little girl seen the bomb being constructed after 40+ years, in detail?

Marla, she also needs to let it go. she sounded like she was reading from the DZ, and throwing things she read in the past. they seen right through her...

Yeah  she just kind of added on as she went .... Must be this Georgia heat ...it's not for everyone, bless her heart!


It was pretty sad really, they were looking at her saying.....really?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: james on July 11, 2016, 11:38:41 PM
They never brought up the suspects age. He would have been 28-29 at the time...way to young.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 11:39:25 PM
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They never brought up the suspects age. He would have been 28-29 at the time...way to young.

Yep, I forgot all about that....good point  C:-)

Watching Rataczak break down was tough. nobody can ever claim this case didn't harm, or affect the people involved. it was very touching moment, one I'll remember....
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: james on July 11, 2016, 11:43:33 PM
Also, never brought up the tie. However, the particle on the tie may be nothing. Geoffrey Grey's book says that the titanium may have come from the white paint that was on the tie clip. it was a common thing in whit paint... so the titanium may be meaningless.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 11, 2016, 11:51:25 PM
The more I think about this show....I'm shocked.

This show was presented here with a web site - DBCooper.com and a book that was not going to be released until the day after the show.  It was the beginning of a media extravaganza!  Tom Colbert, himself, was monitoring this site to see what the opinion was.  Something BIG was going to happen!

But, they never were able to tie Rackstraw to the flight, to Portland, to anything.  They never had any more on him than most of the other  suspects we've talked about for years.    It was like the set up "we've solved the case" was a big tease to get lots of people to watch.

Maybe that was the point.  They did a good job.  It was a good show and it did reach a conclusion -- that the DB Cooper case would never be solved.  They could be right.

A documentary like this could have been made in January 1980.  The case was cold.  Then, suddenly, money was found.

And, maybe tomorrow we'll wake up to the news that someone found a parachute with a briefcase next to it.

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Post by: andrade1812 on July 11, 2016, 11:55:16 PM
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Also, never brought up the tie. However, the particle on the tie may be nothing. Geoffrey Grey's book says that the titanium may have come from the white paint that was on the tie clip. it was a common thing in whit paint... so the titanium may be meaningless.

Grey "jumped the gun" according to Kaye. He completed his work on the tie, and showed the particles were almost certainly associated with titanium fabrication for industrial chemicals. The tie may have been a thrift store oddity, but the titanium was not sponge from white paint.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 11, 2016, 11:59:34 PM
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Tom Colbert, himself, was monitoring this site to see what the opinion was.  Something BIG was going to happen!

Perhaps, his big news was the closing of the case?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 12, 2016, 12:06:51 AM
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Tom Colbert, himself, was monitoring this site to see what the opinion was.  Something BIG was going to happen!

Perhaps, his big news was the closing of the case?

Well, it was called "Case Closed", but that's not really what I had in mind...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 12:09:56 AM
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Tom Colbert, himself, was monitoring this site to see what the opinion was.  Something BIG was going to happen!

Perhaps, his big news was the closing of the case?

Well, it was called "Case Closed", but that's not really what I had in mind...


Lets face it. the case has been closed for a loooooooong time, they just made it official  O0 C:-)
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Post by: andrade1812 on July 12, 2016, 12:17:41 AM
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Tom Colbert, himself, was monitoring this site to see what the opinion was.  Something BIG was going to happen!

Perhaps, his big news was the closing of the case?

Well, it was called "Case Closed", but that's not really what I had in mind...


Lets face it. the case has been closed for a loooooooong time, they just made it official  O0 C:-)

It's bad news for us, since we'll never get a Larry Carr or other case agent who would be willing to open the case files to amateur investigators again.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 12:17:47 AM
I found nothing credible about the plant theory. I though Harold Ingram's handled himself well. they were quick to judge his body language. I seen aggravation, not guilt. Tom gave it a hell of a shot though.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 12:21:15 AM
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It's bad news for us, since we'll never get a Larry Carr or other case agent who would be willing to open the case files to amateur investigators again.

I don't know. maybe someone can convince them to turn it over to the U.S. Marshal's office, and let them take a crack at it?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 12, 2016, 12:25:55 AM
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Also, never brought up the tie. However, the particle on the tie may be nothing. Geoffrey Grey's book says that the titanium may have come from the white paint that was on the tie clip. it was a common thing in whit paint... so the titanium may be meaningless.

Gray knows literally nothing about forensics. Compared to Gray, Tom Kaye is an Einstein and Im not exaggerating. Gray can only 'talk about' people's forensic work but 99.99% of the time he does not know what he's talking about. And he knows it! It still doesn't prevent him from talking. Gray is a one-man-band totally reliant on other people's work. What Gray actually is is a political reporter. That's where he's done his most credible work as far as I know ... Gray is looking for a "headline".   

Tom is right - Gray jumped the gun .... didnt even know what he had .... was looking for a headline. Then all hell broke loose, predictably. Wasnt the first time and wont be the last for a "cub reporter" trying to make a name for himself in the ... Big Apple"! Try pineapple or plums next time?  :))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 12, 2016, 12:43:12 AM
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The more I think about this show....I'm shocked.

This show was presented here with a web site - DBCooper.com and a book that was not going to be released until the day after the show.  It was the beginning of a media extravaganza!  Tom Colbert, himself, was monitoring this site to see what the opinion was.  Something BIG was going to happen!

But, they never were able to tie Rackstraw to the flight, to Portland, to anything.  They never had any more on him than most of the other  suspects we've talked about for years.    It was like the set up "we've solved the case" was a big tease to get lots of people to watch.

Maybe that was the point.  They did a good job.  It was a good show and it did reach a conclusion -- that the DB Cooper case would never be solved.  They could be right.

A documentary like this could have been made in January 1980.  The case was cold.  Then, suddenly, money was found.

And, maybe tomorrow we'll wake up to the news that someone found a parachute with a briefcase next to it.

It's not the end of interest in the Cooper case, but it may be the end of some age old B.S. and B.S.ers. Give this some time to season and gell. The future may hold some new opportunities. I liked the program. Hats off to Colbert for hanging it all out to see. Ng and Fuentes were excellent, as I expected them to be.

For me, things came unglued at the Corvalis-Astoria junction. Research to nail Rackstraw down during this critical period was lacking and weak (very weak) and frankly lacked the critical ID's necessary to take the next step and put Rakstraw "on the plane" at Portland. But, that came late in their research effort - people get tired and worn out - things get missed - failing to read one set of notes can lead to a wrong turn at a critical point! But armchair second guessing is easy compared to doing the nitty gritty work that makes up a real investigation that closes a case.

It was refreshing to see Tina and Rataczak together - both fully cogent and healthy. That should answer Tina's critics as Ive always known was the case. A better reading of the tea leaves about Tina is now called for!  :))

It was the best single program on the Cooper case Ive ever seen, to date. Thanks to all involved.  ;)     
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 12, 2016, 12:56:07 AM
Duane Weber is now a confirmed WW2 Paratrooper.

How did that get past their fact checkers?

Sigh...

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 01:01:06 AM
What happens now with the suspects? do they toss in the towel with the FBI? some are already doing a hail mary as the clock ticks. Eng said it clearly, it doesn't matter how good it looks, it has to be evidence. when you spend years sending the FBI information you would think the clue is already there for them to see, but, I don't know what some of them will do since they have nowhere to go, or turn too? put them on the plane, or show me the money. bottom line  O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 12, 2016, 01:03:41 AM
Case Closed

Here's the official press release from Ayn Dietrich-Williams, PIO at the Seattle FO:

​Hi, Bruce—

My office is now positioned to provide the update you were seeking, about our investigation of the 1971 hijacking by “DB Cooper.” Thanks for your patience when you contacted me recently.

Following one of the longest and most exhaustive investigations in our history, on July 8, 2016, the FBI redirected resources allocated to the “DB Cooper” case, in order to focus on other investigative priorities. During the course of the 45-year NORJAK investigation, the FBI exhaustively reviewed all credible leads, coordinated between multiple field offices to conduct searches, collected all available evidence, and interviewed all identified witnesses.

Over the years, the FBI has applied numerous new and innovative investigative techniques, as well as examined countless items at the FBI Laboratory. Evidence obtained during the course of the investigation will now be preserved for historical purposes at FBI Headquarters in Washington, DC.

The mystery surrounding the hijacking of a Northwest Orient Airlines flight in November 1971 by a still-unknown individual resulted in significant international attention and a decades-long manhunt. Although the FBI appreciated the immense number of tips provided by members of the public, none to date have resulted in a definitive identification of the hijacker. The tips have conveyed plausible theories, descriptive information about individuals potentially matching the hijacker, and anecdotes—to include accounts of sudden, unexplained wealth.

In order to solve a case, the FBI must prove culpability beyond a reasonable doubt, and, unfortunately, none of the well-meaning tips or applications of new investigative technology have yielded the necessary proof. Every time the FBI assesses additional tips for the NORJAK case, investigative resources and manpower are diverted from programs that more urgently need attention.

Although the FBI will no longer actively investigate this case, should specific physical evidence emerge—related specifically to the parachutes or the money taken by the hijacker—individuals with those materials are asked to contact their local FBI field office.

Regards,
Ayn

Ayn Dietrich-Williams | Media Coordinator | FBI Seattle Division
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Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 01:08:02 AM
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Duane Weber is now a confirmed WW2 Paratrooper.

How did that get past their fact checkers?

Sigh...

377


Smoke jumper, and rigger... O0
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Post by: georger on July 12, 2016, 01:36:03 AM
Was Rackstraw de Winter?  :))   

Is ticket agent Hal Williams alive?

Will Boy's Life and the Reader's Digest now step in to solve the case?  :)) :))

Will Jo Weber and Robt M Blevins now join forces to produce: "Son of DB Cooper - I" ?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 12, 2016, 01:36:46 AM
I'm getting emails asking me what I think, and folks venting on how bad/what a missed opportunity the HC production was. Galen, Tom Kaye basically think it sucked.

Here's my current view, pending a full view of the entire show:

Greetings D, (a reader and viewer)

Thanks for your kind words. Ironically, I have not seen the show, yet. Only bits and pieces as people Skype me their taping, or I see History Channel teasers. I don't have cable, and getting a webstream view of it has been surprisingly difficult.

But here are a couple of thoughts:

First I am amazed that LMNO - the production company that made the documentary for History Channel - was able to speak to so many people who had been heretofore resistant to talking to me and others - Tina, Bill Rataczak, Curtis Eng, Larry Carr, John Detlor and Bob Fuhriman, Sheridan Peterson, Mary Jean Fryer. The list is long.

Two, I was surprised that they squandered such an historical moment on such a lousy suspect, Rackstraw? UG.

Three, that the production minimized the evidence, or bypassed it altogether. Where was the discussion on the titanium found on the tie? Where is the DNA? What about fingerprints?

Four, the production was so comprehensive, and the impact so great, such as the FBI now closing the case officially, that the DB Cooper investigation, at least from my perspective and the citizen/non-FBI point of view will be radically different. This will mean I will have to spend a lot of time updating my 3rd Edition of my book to accommodate all these new findings. What do I begin to say about Tina....?

I'll let you know when I see the show, and then we can talk some more.

Bruce
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Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 01:37:53 AM
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Was Rackstraw de Winter?  :))   

Is ticket agent Hal Williams alive?


I believe he is still alive...
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Post by: georger on July 12, 2016, 01:45:26 AM
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I'm getting emails asking me what I think, and folks venting on how bad/what a missed opportunity the HC production was. Galen, Tom Kaye basically think it sucked.

Here's my current view, pending a full view of the entire show:

Greetings D, (a reader and viewer)

Thanks for your kind words. Ironically, I have not seen the show, yet. Only bits and pieces as people Skype me their taping, or I see History Channel teasers. I don't have cable, and getting a webstream view of it has been surprisingly difficult.

But here are a couple of thoughts:

First I am amazed that LMNO - the production company that made the documentary for History Channel - was able to speak to so many people who had been heretofore resistant to talking to me and others - Tina, Bill Rataczak, Curtis Eng, Larry Carr, John Detlor and Bob Fuhriman, Sheridan Peterson, Mary Jean Fryer. The list is long.

Two, I was surprised that they squandered such an historical moment on such a lousy suspect, Rackstraw? UG.

Three, that the production minimized the evidence, or bypassed it altogether. Where was the discussion on the titanium found on the tie? Where is the DNA? What about fingerprints?

Four, the production was so comprehensive, and the impact so great, such as the FBI now closing the case officially, that the DB Cooper investigation, at least from my perspective and the citizen/non-FBI point of view will be radically different. This will mean I will have to spend a lot of time updating my 3rd Edition of my book to accommodate all these new findings. What do I begin to say about Tina....?

I'll let you know when I see the show, and then we can talk some more.

Bruce

Sorry for your trouble that Tina is now judged competent and sane!  Bring it up at therapy on Thursday?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 07:55:48 AM
Tom Colbert sent me an email asking to post the following...


Shutter: Please post to the Forum.  TJC

Welp, they edited down my documentary responses at the end to leave me like a deer in headlights -- while also leaving out many, many pieces of the team's key evidence that weren't visual, dramatic or sensational. It's the limit, and curse, of TV. That's why the ten readers who had an early look at the book, and the members of the cold case team who've scrutinized all the facts, feel their personal conclusions are solid and the case should be reopened. So, I stand with these lawmen and women and their thousand years of experience. We'll reveal the key pieces of evidence the show left out (and the FBI knows nothing about) at Wednesday's national news conference in Los Angeles. More than a dozen of the team will join me, demanding the bureau at least review the case, before rejecting it from a distance.

The worst part, of course, was Tina. I'm not questioning the (few) moments of her ordeal she spoke of -- with the co-pilot filling in 90% of the rest. After seeing Tina's interview last April, I hunted down a five-year-old article by Bruce Smith and Galen Cook (and I delicately pumped Bruce for more), dealing with Tina's serious memory loss. Then I purchased the books by two FBI agents that were quoted in their story -- agents that separately interviewed Tina in the 1980s. Both were emphatic she had little memory of the moment by moment events on the plane. One said she could never be a witness at any trial, and it would be useless to give her photos to look at (If so, why would FBI encourage Tina to suddenly talk and judge our suspect's photos/video? Many CCT members believe this was a set up to make us fail).

The two other traumatized stewardesses also have memory loss -- I recently interviewed both. Like rape or strong-arm robbery victims, many block out the key moment, actions and faces they saw, forever. But don't take it from me, read what one of America's "top 15" CSI professors, Tom Mauriello, recently stated for the book:

“A crime victim or a witness facing a traumatic event can sometimes experience a ‘memory block’ that results in a loss of information at a conscious level.   It has nothing to do with the time spam between the event and the request for recall, but rather the state of mind of the subject at the time of the event.  Research indicates that there is more opportunity for a witness experiencing anxiety or trauma at the time of an event to have a lack of recall or sometimes a total loss of memory, than with a witness at the same time, place and event who was not experiencing the same anxiety or trauma. This certainly would explain the lack of memory by the three stewardesses, with that [not being the case] of Bill Mitchell, the college student.”

And Mitchell's finger-pointing at Rackstraw's picture was rock solid, even though noting the wrong name (What doc cut out: Mitchell, 7 years ago, did his first TV doc, in Britain, on McCoy. I imagine if he hadn't, he would have pointed at our man with a complete loss of words.

So we press on to news conference day on Wednesday, where I will stand with this amazing team. Then wait patiently, with a big smile, for the day that Rackstraw finally pulls the ripcord to the truth.  TJC
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 12, 2016, 09:55:34 AM
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Tom Colbert sent me an email asking to post the following...


Shutter: Please post to the Forum.  TJC

Welp, they edited down my documentary responses at the end to leave me like a deer in headlights -- while also leaving out many, many pieces of the team's key evidence that weren't visual, dramatic or sensational. It's the limit, and curse, of TV. That's why the ten readers who had an early look at the book, and the members of the cold case team who've scrutinized all the facts, feel their personal conclusions are solid and the case should be reopened. So, I stand with these lawmen and women and their thousand years of experience. We'll reveal the key pieces of evidence the show left out (and the FBI knows nothing about) at Wednesday's national news conference in Los Angeles. More than a dozen of the team will join me, demanding the bureau at least review the case, before rejecting it from a distance.

The worst part, of course, was Tina. I'm not questioning the (few) moments of her ordeal she spoke of -- with the co-pilot filling in 90% of the rest. After seeing Tina's interview last April, I hunted down a five-year-old article by Bruce Smith and Galen Cook (and I delicately pumped Bruce for more), dealing with Tina's serious memory loss. Then I purchased the books by two FBI agents that were quoted in their story -- agents that separately interviewed Tina in the 1980s. Both were emphatic she had little memory of the moment by moment events on the plane. One said she could never be a witness at any trial, and it would be useless to give her photos to look at (If so, why would FBI encourage Tina to suddenly talk and judge our suspect's photos/video? Many CCT members believe this was a set up to make us fail).

The two other traumatized stewardesses also have memory loss -- I recently interviewed both. Like rape or strong-arm robbery victims, many block out the key moment, actions and faces they saw, forever. But don't take it from me, read what one of America's "top 15" CSI professors, Tom Mauriello, recently stated for the book:

“A crime victim or a witness facing a traumatic event can sometimes experience a ‘memory block’ that results in a loss of information at a conscious level.   It has nothing to do with the time spam between the event and the request for recall, but rather the state of mind of the subject at the time of the event.  Research indicates that there is more opportunity for a witness experiencing anxiety or trauma at the time of an event to have a lack of recall or sometimes a total loss of memory, than with a witness at the same time, place and event who was not experiencing the same anxiety or trauma. This certainly would explain the lack of memory by the three stewardesses, with that [not being the case] of Bill Mitchell, the college student.”

And Mitchell's finger-pointing at Rackstraw's picture was rock solid, even though noting the wrong name (What doc cut out: Mitchell, 7 years ago, did his first TV doc, in Britain, on McCoy. I imagine if he hadn't, he would have pointed at our man with a complete loss of words.

So we press on to news conference day on Wednesday, where I will stand with this amazing team. Then wait patiently, with a big smile, for the day that Rackstraw finally pulls the ripcord to the truth.  TJC

Ok, I take back my "I'm shocked" comment.  This was not a Tom Colbert production.

And, that's a good thing, I think.   Because they looked at his suspect with a fresh set of eyes.  And, he can continue on, just as others can.

We had a four hour broadcast.  I wish they had six.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 10:09:04 AM
I didn't really see any "wow factor" with Rackstraw. I believe he has the right just as the rest to continue to try and prove his suspect, but Tina, the main witness who spent over 5 hours with Cooper has a very different opinion of Rackstraw. not many people are able to have Tina not only see the suspect in a video, but to actually hear the voice of the suspect.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 12, 2016, 10:32:11 AM
So, do we have an answer yet as to why the Tina Bar video was taken down?

As someone else pointed out earlier, that video is damning to any theory that requires a plant. Odd that it is taken down just days before this show aired....
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Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 10:36:49 AM
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So, do we have an answer yet as to why the Tina Bar video was taken down?

As someone else pointed out earlier, that video is damning to any theory that requires a plant. Odd that it is taken down just days before this show aired....


Carl wouldn't disclose who, or why it was taken down, other than "interested parties"

He has since posted a short version with a shrunken screen that is very small. it's possible in the future he will post the video again. I guess we will just give it some time.
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Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 10:40:29 AM
That reminds me. I would like to see where Colbert got the overhead video of Tina bar. that was different video from the helicopter video we have seen in the past.

Some video with Carr on the show...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lx7VxDJOj8
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Post by: nmiwrecks on July 12, 2016, 11:01:19 AM
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Tom Colbert sent me an email asking to post the following...


Shutter: Please post to the Forum.  TJC

Welp, they edited down my documentary responses at the end to leave me like a deer in headlights -- while also leaving out many, many pieces of the team's key evidence that weren't visual, dramatic or sensational. It's the limit, and curse, of TV. That's why the ten readers who had an early look at the book, and the members of the cold case team who've scrutinized all the facts, feel their personal conclusions are solid and the case should be reopened. So, I stand with these lawmen and women and their thousand years of experience. We'll reveal the key pieces of evidence the show left out (and the FBI knows nothing about) at Wednesday's national news conference in Los Angeles. More than a dozen of the team will join me, demanding the bureau at least review the case, before rejecting it from a distance.

The worst part, of course, was Tina. I'm not questioning the (few) moments of her ordeal she spoke of -- with the co-pilot filling in 90% of the rest. After seeing Tina's interview last April, I hunted down a five-year-old article by Bruce Smith and Galen Cook (and I delicately pumped Bruce for more), dealing with Tina's serious memory loss. Then I purchased the books by two FBI agents that were quoted in their story -- agents that separately interviewed Tina in the 1980s. Both were emphatic she had little memory of the moment by moment events on the plane. One said she could never be a witness at any trial, and it would be useless to give her photos to look at (If so, why would FBI encourage Tina to suddenly talk and judge our suspect's photos/video? Many CCT members believe this was a set up to make us fail).

The two other traumatized stewardesses also have memory loss -- I recently interviewed both. Like rape or strong-arm robbery victims, many block out the key moment, actions and faces they saw, forever. But don't take it from me, read what one of America's "top 15" CSI professors, Tom Mauriello, recently stated for the book:

“A crime victim or a witness facing a traumatic event can sometimes experience a ‘memory block’ that results in a loss of information at a conscious level.   It has nothing to do with the time spam between the event and the request for recall, but rather the state of mind of the subject at the time of the event.  Research indicates that there is more opportunity for a witness experiencing anxiety or trauma at the time of an event to have a lack of recall or sometimes a total loss of memory, than with a witness at the same time, place and event who was not experiencing the same anxiety or trauma. This certainly would explain the lack of memory by the three stewardesses, with that [not being the case] of Bill Mitchell, the college student.”

And Mitchell's finger-pointing at Rackstraw's picture was rock solid, even though noting the wrong name (What doc cut out: Mitchell, 7 years ago, did his first TV doc, in Britain, on McCoy. I imagine if he hadn't, he would have pointed at our man with a complete loss of words.

So we press on to news conference day on Wednesday, where I will stand with this amazing team. Then wait patiently, with a big smile, for the day that Rackstraw finally pulls the ripcord to the truth.  TJC

Hi Tom,
First off, congratulations on putting together an excellent program.  It was compelling and sincere.  Please consider joining this forum, when things die down a bit.  I'm not going to tell you that you won't receive push-back on your theories, because you will, but there are some great resources at your disposal here.  I think all of us are in the same boat now.  The question is, "where is the boat going?"

Regards,
Ross R.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on July 12, 2016, 11:03:58 AM
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I'm getting emails asking me what I think, and folks venting on how bad/what a missed opportunity the HC production was. Galen, Tom Kaye basically think it sucked.

Here's my current view, pending a full view of the entire show:

Greetings D, (a reader and viewer)

Thanks for your kind words. Ironically, I have not seen the show, yet. Only bits and pieces as people Skype me their taping, or I see History Channel teasers. I don't have cable, and getting a webstream view of it has been surprisingly difficult.

But here are a couple of thoughts:

First I am amazed that LMNO - the production company that made the documentary for History Channel - was able to speak to so many people who had been heretofore resistant to talking to me and others - Tina, Bill Rataczak, Curtis Eng, Larry Carr, John Detlor and Bob Fuhriman, Sheridan Peterson, Mary Jean Fryer. The list is long.

Two, I was surprised that they squandered such an historical moment on such a lousy suspect, Rackstraw? UG.

Three, that the production minimized the evidence, or bypassed it altogether. Where was the discussion on the titanium found on the tie? Where is the DNA? What about fingerprints?

Four, the production was so comprehensive, and the impact so great, such as the FBI now closing the case officially, that the DB Cooper investigation, at least from my perspective and the citizen/non-FBI point of view will be radically different. This will mean I will have to spend a lot of time updating my 3rd Edition of my book to accommodate all these new findings. What do I begin to say about Tina....?

I'll let you know when I see the show, and then we can talk some more.

Bruce

Sorry for your trouble that Tina is now judged competent and sane!  Bring it up at therapy on Thursday?

+ 1000  8)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on July 12, 2016, 11:19:16 AM
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Tom Colbert sent me an email asking to post the following...


Shutter: Please post to the Forum.  TJC

Welp, they edited down my documentary responses at the end to leave me like a deer in headlights -- while also leaving out many, many pieces of the team's key evidence that weren't visual, dramatic or sensational. It's the limit, and curse, of TV. That's why the ten readers who had an early look at the book, and the members of the cold case team who've scrutinized all the facts, feel their personal conclusions are solid and the case should be reopened. So, I stand with these lawmen and women and their thousand years of experience. We'll reveal the key pieces of evidence the show left out (and the FBI knows nothing about) at Wednesday's national news conference in Los Angeles. More than a dozen of the team will join me, demanding the bureau at least review the case, before rejecting it from a distance.

The worst part, of course, was Tina. I'm not questioning the (few) moments of her ordeal she spoke of -- with the co-pilot filling in 90% of the rest. After seeing Tina's interview last April, I hunted down a five-year-old article by Bruce Smith and Galen Cook (and I delicately pumped Bruce for more), dealing with Tina's serious memory loss. Then I purchased the books by two FBI agents that were quoted in their story -- agents that separately interviewed Tina in the 1980s. Both were emphatic she had little memory of the moment by moment events on the plane. One said she could never be a witness at any trial, and it would be useless to give her photos to look at (If so, why would FBI encourage Tina to suddenly talk and judge our suspect's photos/video? Many CCT members believe this was a set up to make us fail).

The two other traumatized stewardesses also have memory loss -- I recently interviewed both. Like rape or strong-arm robbery victims, many block out the key moment, actions and faces they saw, forever. But don't take it from me, read what one of America's "top 15" CSI professors, Tom Mauriello, recently stated for the book:

“A crime victim or a witness facing a traumatic event can sometimes experience a ‘memory block’ that results in a loss of information at a conscious level.   It has nothing to do with the time spam between the event and the request for recall, but rather the state of mind of the subject at the time of the event.  Research indicates that there is more opportunity for a witness experiencing anxiety or trauma at the time of an event to have a lack of recall or sometimes a total loss of memory, than with a witness at the same time, place and event who was not experiencing the same anxiety or trauma. This certainly would explain the lack of memory by the three stewardesses, with that [not being the case] of Bill Mitchell, the college student.”

And Mitchell's finger-pointing at Rackstraw's picture was rock solid, even though noting the wrong name (What doc cut out: Mitchell, 7 years ago, did his first TV doc, in Britain, on McCoy. I imagine if he hadn't, he would have pointed at our man with a complete loss of words.

So we press on to news conference day on Wednesday, where I will stand with this amazing team. Then wait patiently, with a big smile, for the day that Rackstraw finally pulls the ripcord to the truth.  TJC

Hi Tom,
First off, congratulations on putting together an excellent program.  It was compelling and sincere.  Please consider joining this forum, when things die down a bit.  I'm not going to tell you that you won't receive push-back on your theories, because you will, but there are some great resources at your disposal here.  I think all of us are in the same boat now.  The question is, "where is the boat going?"

Regards,
Ross R.

Tom,

Some members of the forum, now including me, suggest that you put out a DVD of all the evidence, interviews, etc.  And include all the TV out-takes.  Your material deserves a careful review of everything and people on this forum can do that.

And I am sure Shutter will welcome you and your associates to this forum if you wish to join.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 11:28:17 AM
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I am sure Shutter will welcome you and your associates to this forum if you wish to join.

I mentioned the point of stopping by the forum when he had a chance in my first email. I haven't really asked him to join, but will followup with an email asking him to join, and possibly have others from his team as well on the forum for discussion.

Hopefully, the team can remain intact for a different approach, but we will see in the upcoming weeks with things that are presently simmering on the stove at this point and time..

Shutter
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 12, 2016, 01:10:53 PM
Narrator sure sounds like the late Robert Stack.

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 01:11:54 PM
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Narrator sure sounds like the late Robert Stack.

377


Loved that guy....great in "airplane"
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 01:20:51 PM
I have a lot of memberships coming in, too many to handle at once, so those of you waiting for approval, please be patient as I am trying my best to get things approved while filtering out the spam, or suspicious usernames, and emails. I apologize for the delay...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 12, 2016, 02:16:38 PM
1.) I thought the documentary was extremely well done. The only thing I didn't like was how the premise was that Jensen and Fuentes sort of had the final say in whether or not Rackstraw was the man. It was kind of like they were the judge and jury and whatever they decided was the verdict.

2.) I was really holding out hope for some real factual evidence. Instead, we got 93 pieces of circumstantial evidence. Unfortunately, we may never get any hard factual evidence. We may never see any money. May never see a parachute. May never get any DNA matches. May never get a link to the tie particles. If all we can do is try to build a case using circumstantial evidence, I think Colbert did as good of a job with Rackstraw as anyone could've done with any other suspect. Circumstantial evidence can only take you so far and given the fact that that's all there really is to work with, I think Colbert and his team went about as far as one could reasonably go.

3.) The show definitely exposed the Cooper case to a lot of viewers who may not have been too familiar with the case (and I'm guessing many viewers had never even heard of the case at all). This kind of mass exposure can only be a good thing. The more people who have knowledge of the case, the better the chances that something might turn up. It will be interesting to see if this exposure generates any new tips or leads.

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 12, 2016, 03:25:06 PM
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1.) I thought the documentary was extremely well done. The only thing I didn't like was how the premise was that Jensen and Fuentes sort of had the final say in whether or not Rackstraw was the man. It was kind of like they were the judge and jury and whatever they decided was the verdict.

2.) I was really holding out hope for some real factual evidence. Instead, we got 93 pieces of circumstantial evidence. Unfortunately, we may never get any hard factual evidence. We may never see any money. May never see a parachute. May never get any DNA matches. May never get a link to the tie particles. If all we can do is try to build a case using circumstantial evidence, I think Colbert did as good of a job with Rackstraw as anyone could've done with any other suspect. Circumstantial evidence can only take you so far and given the fact that that's all there really is to work with, I think Colbert and his team went about as far as one could reasonably go.

3.) The show definitely exposed the Cooper case to a lot of viewers who may not have been too familiar with the case (and I'm guessing many viewers had never even heard of the case at all). This kind of mass exposure can only be a good thing. The more people who have knowledge of the case, the better the chances that something might turn up. It will be interesting to see if this exposure generates any new tips or leads.

Nobody, in their wildest imagination, would have/could have expected the Ingram money find - given the understanding of the Cooper case at the time.  That is a "true fact"..

Since 1980 the Cooper case has waited for some similar revelation. Lacking that people tried to do some forensics to discoverer some new facts. That brought Tom Kaye and others into the picture.

Now Im going to say something brand new - that fills in another small piece of this story. Because frankly my strong bias has always been historical-factual. You need facts in order to understand a thing!

When Drs Palmer and Benson at Portland State University (geology) arrived at "Tena Bar" to look into the money find there, to determine the strata in play, et cetera ... literally nobody could make sense of Cooper money turning up at Tena Bar, outside of the impossible assertion that 'Cooper had survived, made his way to the area, and something happened' ... and some people were not willing to put that on the table of options. Any other account was preferable. Other experts were brought in to get their opinions.

Since 1980 no similar revelations have occurred.  In 2008  SA Larry Carr suggested a different approach hoping to share some evidence with the public hoping that might cause some other hard evidence-revelations to come forth from the public.

My point is: the lottery is still open. Who knows what tomorrow might bring with some attic being cleaned out someplace, or who knows what else. The history of discovery has always been dependent on random events and discoveries. Awareness about the Cooper case has perhaps never been higher in the general public.

I suggested to SA Carr years ago that this whole case should be legally closed and turned over to the Smithsonian for investigation. I called several people I knew at the Smithsonian to explore this further. The door was not closed in our faces. There was interest. I also noted several of Eng's comments during this production. Let's see what time and circumstance does. The lottery on this case is still open ... its just a little less open to crackpots from this point forward, we can pray!         
 


 



Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 12, 2016, 04:07:57 PM
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1.) I thought the documentary was extremely well done. The only thing I didn't like was how the premise was that Jensen and Fuentes sort of had the final say in whether or not Rackstraw was the man. It was kind of like they were the judge and jury and whatever they decided was the verdict.

2.) I was really holding out hope for some real factual evidence. Instead, we got 93 pieces of circumstantial evidence. Unfortunately, we may never get any hard factual evidence. We may never see any money. May never see a parachute. May never get any DNA matches. May never get a link to the tie particles. If all we can do is try to build a case using circumstantial evidence, I think Colbert did as good of a job with Rackstraw as anyone could've done with any other suspect. Circumstantial evidence can only take you so far and given the fact that that's all there really is to work with, I think Colbert and his team went about as far as one could reasonably go.

3.) The show definitely exposed the Cooper case to a lot of viewers who may not have been too familiar with the case (and I'm guessing many viewers had never even heard of the case at all). This kind of mass exposure can only be a good thing. The more people who have knowledge of the case, the better the chances that something might turn up. It will be interesting to see if this exposure generates any new tips or leads.


My point is: the lottery is still open. Who knows what tomorrow might bring with some attic being cleaned out someplace, or who knows what else. The history of discovery has always been dependent on random events and discoveries. Awareness about the Cooper case has perhaps never been higher in the general public.       

 

I absolutely agree and I think that may be the only hope. Jensen made a remark near the end of the show when he said "the clock is ticking," meaning all of the people involved in the hijacking -- witnesses, investigators, etc. -- are all getting up there in age and eventually the day will come when nobody involved in the story is around anymore. The clock is ticking to speak to people like Tina, Bill Mitchell, etc.

However, that also means the clock is ticking for anyone in possession of any hard evidence. If there's a stack of bills stashed away in a basement somewhere, or a parachute tucked away in someone's attic, the clock is ticking before that stuff is eventually discovered. If Cooper is still alive today, the clock is ticking for him. Eventually he will pass and some family members will be sorting through his possessions and find a briefcase with a strange bomb-looking device inside. Or someone will buy an old book at a flea market, thumb through the pages and discover a an old faded $20 bill tucked inside. There have been dozens of deathbed confessions. What if the real Cooper also makes a deathbed confession? And seeing as how he really was the guy, this one will actually hold some merit and the ball will get rolling with some momentum again.

So yes, there is still hope for some hard evidence to surface one day. In the meantime, I'm afraid the only thing that can be done is exactly what Colbert and his team did --- identify a suspect based on circumstantial evidence and see where it goes. It's an uphill battle and I commend him for a hard fight.

The legend continues....

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 12, 2016, 05:50:12 PM
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1.) I thought the documentary was extremely well done. The only thing I didn't like was how the premise was that Jensen and Fuentes sort of had the final say in whether or not Rackstraw was the man. It was kind of like they were the judge and jury and whatever they decided was the verdict.

2.) I was really holding out hope for some real factual evidence. Instead, we got 93 pieces of circumstantial evidence. Unfortunately, we may never get any hard factual evidence. We may never see any money. May never see a parachute. May never get any DNA matches. May never get a link to the tie particles. If all we can do is try to build a case using circumstantial evidence, I think Colbert did as good of a job with Rackstraw as anyone could've done with any other suspect. Circumstantial evidence can only take you so far and given the fact that that's all there really is to work with, I think Colbert and his team went about as far as one could reasonably go.

3.) The show definitely exposed the Cooper case to a lot of viewers who may not have been too familiar with the case (and I'm guessing many viewers had never even heard of the case at all). This kind of mass exposure can only be a good thing. The more people who have knowledge of the case, the better the chances that something might turn up. It will be interesting to see if this exposure generates any new tips or leads.


My point is: the lottery is still open. Who knows what tomorrow might bring with some attic being cleaned out someplace, or who knows what else. The history of discovery has always been dependent on random events and discoveries. Awareness about the Cooper case has perhaps never been higher in the general public.       

 

I absolutely agree and I think that may be the only hope. Jensen made a remark near the end of the show when he said "the clock is ticking," meaning all of the people involved in the hijacking -- witnesses, investigators, etc. -- are all getting up there in age and eventually the day will come when nobody involved in the story is around anymore. The clock is ticking to speak to people like Tina, Bill Mitchell, etc.

However, that also means the clock is ticking for anyone in possession of any hard evidence. If there's a stack of bills stashed away in a basement somewhere, or a parachute tucked away in someone's attic, the clock is ticking before that stuff is eventually discovered. If Cooper is still alive today, the clock is ticking for him. Eventually he will pass and some family members will be sorting through his possessions and find a briefcase with a strange bomb-looking device inside. Or someone will buy an old book at a flea market, thumb through the pages and discover a an old faded $20 bill tucked inside. There have been dozens of deathbed confessions. What if the real Cooper also makes a deathbed confession? And seeing as how he really was the guy, this one will actually hold some merit and the ball will get rolling with some momentum again.

So yes, there is still hope for some hard evidence to surface one day. In the meantime, I'm afraid the only thing that can be done is exactly what Colbert and his team did --- identify a suspect based on circumstantial evidence and see where it goes. It's an uphill battle and I commend him for a hard fight.

The legend continues....

Any more undiscovered Rembrandt's or Beethoven Symphonies out there?   :)) Call 1-800 POK-YMAN.  :))

The Smithsonian should get this and put together a display. Im more serious about this today than I was in '08.

Then collectors and sleuths and whoever can continue their work on sites like this.  Who knows - maybe Curtis Eng would even join in?  ;) Dorwin and others? It would certainly offer the right perspective at this time, when perspective is what is needed!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 05:56:58 PM
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Then collectors and sleuths and whoever can continue their work on sites like this.  Who knows - maybe Curtis Eng would even join in?  ;) Dorwin and others? It would certainly offer the right perspective at this time, when perspective is what is needed!

So, what do you suggest? you want me to remove everyone, is this an open, or closed forum?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 12, 2016, 06:43:16 PM
I've posted my first take on the HC docu at the Mountain News. It also contains a full list of Colbert's 93 pieces of evidence, along with a complete list of the Cold Case Team and their bios.

https://themountainnewswa.net/2016/07/12/db-cooper-case-closed-but-not-abandoned/#more-7820
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 07:10:05 PM
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I've posted my first take on the HC docu at the Mountain News. It also contains a full list of Colbert's 93 pieces of evidence, along with a complete list of the Cold Case Team and their bios.

https://themountainnewswa.net/2016/07/12/db-cooper-case-closed-but-not-abandoned/#more-7820

Looking it over now.... C:-)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 12, 2016, 08:15:02 PM
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I've posted my first take on the HC docu at the Mountain News. It also contains a full list of Colbert's 93 pieces of evidence, along with a complete list of the Cold Case Team and their bios.

https://themountainnewswa.net/2016/07/12/db-cooper-case-closed-but-not-abandoned/#more-7820

Looking through Colbert's 93 pieces of evidence, most of them are tied to the skillset, opportunity and motive.  The two that I really see that directly pertain to the hijacking.

-- the money was planted and the Ingrams were told where to dig
-- the writing on the envelopes of the Cooper Letters matches the ticket and the suspects writing.

Interesting thing is -- those were exactly the two items that Grey Cop used, although to him they pointed to a different suspect.

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 08:27:55 PM
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I've posted my first take on the HC docu at the Mountain News. It also contains a full list of Colbert's 93 pieces of evidence, along with a complete list of the Cold Case Team and their bios.

https://themountainnewswa.net/2016/07/12/db-cooper-case-closed-but-not-abandoned/#more-7820

Looking through Colbert's 93 pieces of evidence, most of them are tied to the skillset, opportunity and motive.  The two that I really see that directly pertain to the hijacking.

-- the money was planted and the Ingrams were told where to dig
-- the writing on the envelopes of the Cooper Letters matches the ticket and the suspects writing.

Interesting thing is -- those were exactly the two items that Grey Cop used, although to him they pointed to a different suspect.


When you made the comment of Lyle buying the HaHa book, I was wondering if he touched base with Grey cop? he said Kenny made the cover for the book, the numbers to the 20's matched the letters.

The letters, nobody has ever proven they came from Cooper. I found it odd that he would sign them by DB Cooper, and not Dan Cooper.

The plant theory is really tough now with the recent video showing a different story with the money.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Olemisscub on July 12, 2016, 08:43:27 PM
My main issue with Rackshaw is his age. He was 27 at the time yet all the eyewitness accounts seem to indicate that DB was in his 40's.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 08:49:52 PM
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My main issue with Rackshaw is his age. He was 27 at the time yet all the eyewitness accounts seem to indicate that DB was in his 40's.

Yep, how could the stews who were close to that age get it so wrong? the original crew notes state in his 50's. that's a HUGE jump. Tina viewing the video, and audio of Rackstraw didn't help either....
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 08:54:41 PM
Here is the transcripts from some of the crew notes taken during the flight...Page 3 should be noted.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Olemisscub on July 12, 2016, 09:01:48 PM
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My main issue with Rackshaw is his age. He was 27 at the time yet all the eyewitness accounts seem to indicate that DB was in his 40's.

Yep, how could the stews who were close to that age get it so wrong? the original crew notes state in his 50's. that's a HUGE jump. Tina viewing the video, and audio of Rackstraw didn't help either....

Indeed. Rackshaw for sure didn't have a turkey gobble either. Also, Mitchell's comments in the past were basically "she is giving all this attention to this old dweeb with a turkey neck." In no way could that be a comment aimed at a 1971 Rackshaw, especially considering that they showed a pic of Rackshaw taken just a month before Norjak.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 09:10:10 PM
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My main issue with Rackshaw is his age. He was 27 at the time yet all the eyewitness accounts seem to indicate that DB was in his 40's.

Yep, how could the stews who were close to that age get it so wrong? the original crew notes state in his 50's. that's a HUGE jump. Tina viewing the video, and audio of Rackstraw didn't help either....

Indeed. Rackshaw for sure didn't have a turkey gobble either. Also, Mitchell's comments in the past were basically "she is giving all this attention to this old dweeb with a turkey neck." In no way could that be a comment aimed at a 1971 Rackshaw, especially considering that they showed a pic of Rackshaw taken just a month before Norjak.


Time obviously has taken it's toll on Mitchell. it's even harder for him due to the fact of him not knowing who Cooper was while on the plane. his recall get's weaker as time goes by. I'm sure it has for all involved...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 09:12:23 PM
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turkey gobble

Must be why he decided on Thanksgiving  O0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Olemisscub on July 12, 2016, 09:21:36 PM
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My main issue with Rackshaw is his age. He was 27 at the time yet all the eyewitness accounts seem to indicate that DB was in his 40's.

Yep, how could the stews who were close to that age get it so wrong? the original crew notes state in his 50's. that's a HUGE jump. Tina viewing the video, and audio of Rackstraw didn't help either....

Indeed. Rackshaw for sure didn't have a turkey gobble either. Also, Mitchell's comments in the past were basically "she is giving all this attention to this old dweeb with a turkey neck." In no way could that be a comment aimed at a 1971 Rackshaw, especially considering that they showed a pic of Rackshaw taken just a month before Norjak.


Time obviously has taken it's toll on Mitchell. it's even harder for him due to the fact of him not knowing who Cooper was while on the plane. his recall get weaker as time goes by. I'm sure it has for all involved...

I'm a former prosecutor and now am a criminal defense attorney and I can guarantee you that, unless the witness has some sort of prior history with the defendant, eyewitness reports are mostly useless other than generalities.

I had a case once that I was prosecuting where a woman was kidnapped for around six hours by a man and she couldn't positively ID him in a lineup.

I imagine It would be extremely tough to give a good description of a person that you saw in a dark airplane who was wearing sunglasses.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: smokin99 on July 12, 2016, 09:22:20 PM
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I've posted my first take on the HC docu at the Mountain News. It also contains a full list of Colbert's 93 pieces of evidence, along with a complete list of the Cold Case Team and their bios.

https://themountainnewswa.net/2016/07/12/db-cooper-case-closed-but-not-abandoned/#more-7820

Looking through Colbert's 93 pieces of evidence, most of them are tied to the skillset, opportunity and motive.  The two that I really see that directly pertain to the hijacking.

-- the money was planted and the Ingrams were told where to dig
-- the writing on the envelopes of the Cooper Letters matches the ticket and the suspects writing.

Interesting thing is -- those were exactly the two items that Grey Cop used, although to him they pointed to a different suspect.

I've been out of sync on this for a while so I guess I missed a major find....When /where /who determined that the writing on the ticket was Cooper's?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 09:28:02 PM
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I've been out of sync on this for a while so I guess I missed a major find....When /where /who determined that the writing on the ticket was Cooper's?

It kind of got mixed in by bringing up Grey Cop. he was the original one stating Cooper signed his ticket. now, it appears that Rackstraw did the same...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 09:30:19 PM
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I imagine It would be extremely tough to give a good description of a person that you saw in a dark airplane who was wearing sunglasses.

Even worse for the passengers. they didn't have a reason to remember him, so you end up with different descriptions.
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Post by: Olemisscub on July 12, 2016, 09:55:24 PM
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I imagine It would be extremely tough to give a good description of a person that you saw in a dark airplane who was wearing sunglasses.

Even worse for the passengers. they didn't have a reason to remember him, so you end up with different descriptions.

Precisely right. I also wonder how much of an actual look Tina ever got on him. In my experience, a lot of crime victims don't ever really look at their perpetrators directly and especially not intently. It's some sort of primal reaction to danger to avert your eyes and not look at that danger directly.

I also thought about this when watching Bill giving that interview with Tina: I wonder if the pilots were/are frustrated that they were players in this massive event yet never even got to see the guy for themselves.  That would bug me for sure.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 10:02:22 PM
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I imagine It would be extremely tough to give a good description of a person that you saw in a dark airplane who was wearing sunglasses.

Even worse for the passengers. they didn't have a reason to remember him, so you end up with different descriptions.

Precisely right. I also wonder how much of an actual look Tina ever got on him. In my experience, a lot of crime victims don't ever really look at their perpetrators directly and especially not intently. It's some sort of primal reaction to danger to avert your eyes and not look at that danger directly.

I also thought about this when watching Bill giving that interview with Tina: I wonder if the pilots were/are frustrated that they were players in this massive event yet never even got to see the guy for themselves.  That would bug me for sure.


Based on the description given by the stews. they were pretty close. Tina even lit Cooper's cig for him I believe. I think they all got a pretty good look at him, or once again we would have conflicting descriptions of Cooper similar to the passengers.

I think I would of tried to get a peek at him if I could, but that's a lot easier for me to say....
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Post by: Robert99 on July 12, 2016, 10:09:29 PM
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I've been out of sync on this for a while so I guess I missed a major find....When /where /who determined that the writing on the ticket was Cooper's?

It kind of got mixed in by bringing up Grey Cop. he was the original one stating Cooper signed his ticket. now, it appears that Rackstraw did the same...

The passengers did NOT sign the tickets in the early 1970s.  Vicki's posts of the Cooper ticket copy and the Mitchell copy of his ticket, do NOT contain any signatures.  This goes for Rackstraw as well.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on July 12, 2016, 10:12:13 PM
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I imagine It would be extremely tough to give a good description of a person that you saw in a dark airplane who was wearing sunglasses.

Even worse for the passengers. they didn't have a reason to remember him, so you end up with different descriptions.

Precisely right. I also wonder how much of an actual look Tina ever got on him. In my experience, a lot of crime victims don't ever really look at their perpetrators directly and especially not intently. It's some sort of primal reaction to danger to avert your eyes and not look at that danger directly.

I also thought about this when watching Bill giving that interview with Tina: I wonder if the pilots were/are frustrated that they were players in this massive event yet never even got to see the guy for themselves.  That would bug me for sure.

Tina was with Cooper for almost five hours.


Based on the description given by the stews. they were pretty close. Tina even lit Cooper's cig for him I believe. I think they all got a pretty good look at him, or once again we would have conflicting descriptions of Cooper similar to the passengers.

I think I would of tried to get a peek at him if I could, but that's a lot easier for me to say....
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 10:15:29 PM
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Precisely right. I also wonder how much of an actual look Tina ever got on him. In my experience, a lot of crime victims don't ever really look at their perpetrators directly and especially not intently. It's some sort of primal reaction to danger to avert your eyes and not look at that danger directly.

I could be wrong, but I think this is a little different for several reasons. most violent crimes occur quick, and involve injury, and suffering. Cooper made threats of blowing up the plane, but they were not constant threats, or causing any injury that would cause the victim to lose site of what's taking place. I'm sure they were scared to death, but I believe it's not the same as being beaten, or raped, or even robbed.

The woman you spoke of who couldn't ID her suspect was in constant fear due to what was being done to her during that period damaging her senses, and body. Cooper's main weapon was fear, and control without violence.  C:-)
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Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 10:17:58 PM
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I've been out of sync on this for a while so I guess I missed a major find....When /where /who determined that the writing on the ticket was Cooper's?

It kind of got mixed in by bringing up Grey Cop. he was the original one stating Cooper signed his ticket. now, it appears that Rackstraw did the same...

The passengers did NOT sign the tickets in the early 1970s.  Vicki's posts of the Cooper ticket copy and the Mitchell copy of his ticket, do NOT contain any signatures.  This goes for Rackstraw as well.


Correct, I meant where Cooper's name was "Dan Cooper" they are stating the hijacker wrote that part....
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Olemisscub on July 12, 2016, 10:25:27 PM
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Precisely right. I also wonder how much of an actual look Tina ever got on him. In my experience, a lot of crime victims don't ever really look at their perpetrators directly and especially not intently. It's some sort of primal reaction to danger to avert your eyes and not look at that danger directly.

I could be wrong, but I think this is a little different for several reasons. most violent crimes occur quick, and involve injury, and suffering. Cooper made threats of blowing up the plane, but they were not constant threats, or causing any injury that would cause the victim to lose site of what's taking place. I'm sure they were scared to death, but I believe it's not the same as being beaten, or raped, or even robbed.

The woman you spoke of who couldn't ID her suspect was in constant fear due to what was being done to her during that period damaging her senses, and body. Cooper's main weapon was fear, and control without violence.  C:-)

Great points. I forgot about her lighting his cigarette.

And yes, I would have definitely wanted to get a peek if I was a pilot. I'm sure they wanted to, but were of course worried that anything abnormal (such as a pilot walking back there) might have set the hijacker off or made the situation worse.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 12, 2016, 10:32:48 PM
My Overview:

I just saw the docu in full, on a bootleg copy from some unknown streaming service. Apparently, there is a burgeoning industry in Cooper Country in burning bootlegs of this show. Sigh. I'm assuaging my 'theft of service' guilt by telling myself it's a partial payment from HC for the 40 email addresses and phone numbers I gave them a year ago...

I thought the History Channel docu was superb. I absolutely loved it. I thought Jensen's and Fuentes' handling of Colbert and Forbes, and the presentation on Rackstraw was spot on. Honest, substantive, inquisitive - all the qualities one could ask for in a docu. I thought Forbes' rebuff of Rackstraw was noble and courageous. To disappoint a partner and rejecting his suspect on camera requires a high degree of impeccability. Forbes is a stand-up guy in my eyes. Colbert seemed to take the news fairly well. I suppose we'll see more in Colbert's national press conference tomorrow. I'm concerned that he might want to throw Tina under the bus. I hope he refrains.

As for Tina, I loved seeing her tell her tale, and the strength, grace, and ease with which she did so. Bill Rataczak's emotions made me weep as well. That's the guy I talked with on the phone for 70 minutes in 2009. Sad to hear they won't be talking any more about the case.

I wonder what was going on with Tina back in the convent. What was the 30 years of silence all about? Why were 11 doors slammed in my face? I suppose I have a lot to learn from LMNO on how they got an interview with Bill and Tina - and for such length and depth - when I never got past "Hello."

For record, the Tina I saw in the HC docu pretty much looks like the Tina I met in 2011. Yeah, a few more pounds, but that was Tina.
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Post by: smokin99 on July 12, 2016, 11:04:18 PM
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I've been out of sync on this for a while so I guess I missed a major find....When /where /who determined that the writing on the ticket was Cooper's?

It kind of got mixed in by bringing up Grey Cop. he was the original one stating Cooper signed his ticket. now, it appears that Rackstraw did the same...

The passengers did NOT sign the tickets in the early 1970s.  Vicki's posts of the Cooper ticket copy and the Mitchell copy of his ticket, do NOT contain any signatures.  This goes for Rackstraw as well.


Correct, I meant where Cooper's name was "Dan Cooper" they are stating the hijacker wrote that part....

Yeah I knew what you meant. Even though some try to make a connection with tickets I think Larry Carr said that it was determined that the passenger did not write up the ticket and I think there was an interview with either the ticket guy or someone that worked in that capacity in the time of the hijacking that said the same.
I thought I might have missed something.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 12, 2016, 11:08:05 PM
Grey Cop got his master plan from Unsolved Mysteries..he said they show Cooper signing the ticket?

I tried to tell him it was just an error on the documentary, but he wouldn't listen....imagine that, not listening  O0 O0 O0


Did you know that he now claims to have solved the Zodiac murders? Kenny again. he's writing his second book  C:-) C:-)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: james on July 12, 2016, 11:40:26 PM
Could some one please explain to me how a group of 36 intelligent professionals could believe that Rackstraw is D.B Cooper?
Based on age alone he should be eliminated. How about physical description. Rackstraw does not have "Olive Skin."
Did the "Team" ever ask Rackstraw's sister if Rackstraw was a smoker? Did they ask if his sister remembered what kind of cigarettes he smoked?
Did the team ever see the recent news video from 1980 that clearly shows pieces of money being found on Tena Bar several feet down in the sand.
Makes me wonder just how thorough this "Team" was. 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Olemisscub on July 12, 2016, 11:45:09 PM
I think the age gap between DB and RWR is all I need to know to make a good guess that he wasn't DB.

But yes, brand of cigarettes definitely should have been asked. I'm guessing it probably was asked of the sister and her answer wasn't what they wanted and that's why it wasn't in the 93 pieces of evidence.
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Post by: georger on July 12, 2016, 11:46:36 PM
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Could some one please explain to me how a group of 36 intelligent professionals could believe that Rackstraw is D.B Cooper?
Based on age alone he should be eliminated. How about physical description. Rackstraw does not have "Olive Skin."
Did the "Team" ever ask Rackstraw's sister if Rackstraw was a smoker? Did they ask if his sister remembered what kind of cigarettes he smoked?
Did the team ever see the recent news video from 1980 that clearly shows pieces of money being found on Tena Bar several feet down in the sand.
Makes me wonder just how thorough this "Team" was.

James, these credits did not say everyone who participated in the production "believed" Rackstraw was Cooper, only that they contributed to the production in some way. 

One factoid that did get mentioned however was that the yellow FBI Flight Path map Carr contributed was "created in the early seventies".
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 13, 2016, 01:49:35 AM
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Could some one please explain to me how a group of 36 intelligent professionals could believe that Rackstraw is D.B Cooper?
Based on age alone he should be eliminated. How about physical description. Rackstraw does not have "Olive Skin."
Did the "Team" ever ask Rackstraw's sister if Rackstraw was a smoker? Did they ask if his sister remembered what kind of cigarettes he smoked?
Did the team ever see the recent news video from 1980 that clearly shows pieces of money being found on Tena Bar several feet down in the sand.
Makes me wonder just how thorough this "Team" was.

I like how you think, James.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 13, 2016, 01:58:40 AM
Where do we go from here?

As a new day dawns in Cooper World, what do we do? Here are some thoughts:

1. Tina Bar and the Money.
We need to continue researching what happened there, and certainly find out why and who was behind the Deep-Sixing of the KATU video.

2. DNA.
Can we identify the skyjacker with DNA? What will it take? How partial is enough? Can we phenotype anything of importance - European only, Native American mix, a tad bit Asian??? Are the cigarette butts still available? What can be established about their disappearance?

3. Fingerprints
Can the 11-60 sets of fingerprints be separated and identified. Do we know anything about any of the sets of fingerprints. Has anyone been identified? If so, who is left? Is DBC part of them?

4. Can any of the bizarro stuff be clarified or understood? What does the memory loss of five principals mean, such as Campbell, et al in Reno regarding the tie.

5. Do inconsistencies between passenger accounts and crew memories mean anything? If so, what?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on July 13, 2016, 04:15:58 AM
Oh "Airborne Bob" aka Bob Rackstraw just commented on his own story over at heavy.com[img]
http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/robert-rackstraw-db-cooper-case-closed-documentary-culprit-who-is/
 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bee40 on July 13, 2016, 05:49:34 AM
My first post here, just thought I'd try mentioning a couple things RE: Rackstraw:

1) A lot of people seem to be dismissing him as a viable suspect based on age, and based on Tina's interview, where she seemed doubtful that it was him.  The guy has been proven to be a true chameleon.  Decorated war vet, convict, law professor, etc etc.  I wouldn't rule out Rackstraw even if a stewardess said he was an elderly black woman.

2) It was mentioned on the show, but not much was really made of the fact that he jumped out of a plane and parachuted to avoid trial for check fraud and explosives.  That's two direct tie-ins to NORJAK.  If there is any evidence still around from that case, it seems like perhaps some connections could be made?

3) Perhaps I missed it on the show, but apparently Rackstraw was once charged with murder and ultimately acquitted.  I'm not sure at what stage of their 5 year investigation did the team start focusing on Rackstraw exclusively, but it seems like they could have even dug deeper.  Or perhaps they did, and the show was edited down to 4 hours and a lot got omitted.  I wish History had turned it into a season-long series, it would seem to yield good ratings.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 13, 2016, 08:45:03 AM
Was I the only one who found it odd that in his 1979 interview, Rackstraw claimed he couldn't possibly be DB Cooper because he's afraid of heights? The guy did parachute jumps in the army and flew helicopters in Vietnam. He owned and regularly flew a Cessna, even using it to try to fake his own death.

"Afriad of heights?"  Seems like a weird thing for an innocent man to say, no?
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 13, 2016, 09:24:12 AM
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Was I the only one who found it odd that in his 1979 interview, Rackstraw claimed he couldn't possibly be DB Cooper because he's afraid of heights? The guy did parachute jumps in the army and flew helicopters in Vietnam. He owned and regularly flew a Cessna, even using it to try to fake his own death.

"Afriad of heights?"  Seems like a weird thing for an innocent man to say, no?

Seems to me that he somewhat enjoyed being a Cooper suspect. I guess it could be kind of cool if people think you may be a "master criminal". Seems like he may still enjoy it.
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Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 13, 2016, 10:11:26 AM
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Was I the only one who found it odd that in his 1979 interview, Rackstraw claimed he couldn't possibly be DB Cooper because he's afraid of heights? The guy did parachute jumps in the army and flew helicopters in Vietnam. He owned and regularly flew a Cessna, even using it to try to fake his own death.

"Afriad of heights?"  Seems like a weird thing for an innocent man to say, no?

Seems to me that he somewhat enjoyed being a Cooper suspect. I guess it could be kind of cool if people think you may be a "master criminal". Seems like he may still enjoy it.

That certainly could be it. He had the peace of mind knowing that he was innocent but liked the idea of being linked to such a sexy crime. On the other hand, when many years in prison may be riding on the line, it seems like quite the risk to take. I was surprised the person doing the interview didn't respond to that comment with "Afraid of heights? What do you mean? You've parachuted out of planes, you've flown helicopters and planes...."

On another note, am I color blind (entirely possible) or did Rackstraw have light blue eyes in that interview? Cooper was described by Tina as having dark eyes. And in the 93 pieces of evidence, it was noted that Rackstraw had dark eyes just like Cooper. I could be crazy but I swear I recall seeing light blue or perhaps green eyes in that interview footage. I still have it saved on my DVR so I can go back and look again. Anyone else notice this (or am I just nuts?)
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Post by: nmiwrecks on July 13, 2016, 10:29:56 AM
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Was I the only one who found it odd that in his 1979 interview, Rackstraw claimed he couldn't possibly be DB Cooper because he's afraid of heights? The guy did parachute jumps in the army and flew helicopters in Vietnam. He owned and regularly flew a Cessna, even using it to try to fake his own death.

"Afriad of heights?"  Seems like a weird thing for an innocent man to say, no?

Seems to me that he somewhat enjoyed being a Cooper suspect. I guess it could be kind of cool if people think you may be a "master criminal". Seems like he may still enjoy it.

That certainly could be it. He had the peace of mind knowing that he was innocent but liked the idea of being linked to such a sexy crime. On the other hand, when many years in prison may be riding on the line, it seems like quite the risk to take. I was surprised the person doing the interview didn't respond to that comment with "Afraid of heights? What do you mean? You've parachuted out of planes, you've flown helicopters and planes...."

On another note, am I color blind (entirely possible) or did Rackstraw have light blue eyes in that interview? Cooper was described by Tina as having dark eyes. And in the 93 pieces of evidence, it was noted that Rackstraw had dark eyes just like Cooper. I could be crazy but I swear I recall seeing light blue or perhaps green eyes in that interview footage. I still have it saved on my DVR so I can go back and look again. Anyone else notice this (or am I just nuts?)

Good observation. I thought Mr. Rackstraw's eyes were hazel at best.  Definitely not the dark brown you would think of if somebody appeared "latin".

As for admitting to the crime, Mr. Rackstraw joins the ranks of William Gosset, Barb Dayton, and supposedly Duane Webber.  That's pretty lofty company.    O0

Mr. Rackstraw was over-qualified for the jump.  He wouldn't have missed the sewn shut reserve, nor would he had made the jump dressed like that, nor would he have made that jump at all.  The Cooper jump is probably the most famous jump of all time, but ask yourself this question"  Why haven't any of the boastful skydivers who claim they would have "easily survived" the jump, attempted that jump?  I'm talking the same time of year, at night, in similar weather conditions, same clothes and chutes, and oh year, flying in a plane for half an hour above the cloud cover so you don't know what you're jumping into, with an unsteerable chute.  Any takers?     :))
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Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 13, 2016, 11:08:28 AM
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Was I the only one who found it odd that in his 1979 interview, Rackstraw claimed he couldn't possibly be DB Cooper because he's afraid of heights? The guy did parachute jumps in the army and flew helicopters in Vietnam. He owned and regularly flew a Cessna, even using it to try to fake his own death.

"Afriad of heights?"  Seems like a weird thing for an innocent man to say, no?

Seems to me that he somewhat enjoyed being a Cooper suspect. I guess it could be kind of cool if people think you may be a "master criminal". Seems like he may still enjoy it.

That certainly could be it. He had the peace of mind knowing that he was innocent but liked the idea of being linked to such a sexy crime. On the other hand, when many years in prison may be riding on the line, it seems like quite the risk to take. I was surprised the person doing the interview didn't respond to that comment with "Afraid of heights? What do you mean? You've parachuted out of planes, you've flown helicopters and planes...."

On another note, am I color blind (entirely possible) or did Rackstraw have light blue eyes in that interview? Cooper was described by Tina as having dark eyes. And in the 93 pieces of evidence, it was noted that Rackstraw had dark eyes just like Cooper. I could be crazy but I swear I recall seeing light blue or perhaps green eyes in that interview footage. I still have it saved on my DVR so I can go back and look again. Anyone else notice this (or am I just nuts?)

Good observation. I thought Mr. Rackstraw's eyes were hazel at best.  Definitely not the dark brown you would think of if somebody appeared "latin".

As for admitting to the crime, Mr. Rackstraw joins the ranks of William Gosset, Barb Dayton, and supposedly Duane Webber.  That's pretty lofty company.    O0

Mr. Rackstraw was over-qualified for the jump.  He wouldn't have missed the sewn shut reserve, nor would he had made the jump dressed like that, nor would he have made that jump at all.  The Cooper jump is probably the most famous jump of all time, but ask yourself this question"  Why haven't any of the boastful skydivers who claim they would have "easily survived" the jump, attempted that jump?  I'm talking the same time of year, at night, in similar weather conditions, same clothes and chutes, and oh year, flying in a plane for half an hour above the cloud cover so you don't know what you're jumping into, with an unsteerable chute.  Any takers?     :))

Indeed. With such an extensive military background, Rackstraw would surely be very buttoned up and very detail-oriented. I can't imagine someone with his kind of wilderness survival training choosing to wear loafers. Or not noticing the training chute as you mentioned. Or not specifying the denomination of bills so he would know exactly what kind of weight he would be dealing with. Being 5 months removed from the military where no detail is overlooked, it seems like this would've carried over to the hijacking.

Then again, it sounds like his other crimes were also pretty reckless --- ramming trucks through the doors of a gun shop and storming the shelves and other Hollywood-like stunts that were probably not very well thought out either. A good way of incriminating someone is finding links between the crimes we know they committed and the crime that's being investigated. Perhaps a closer look at those other crimes could reveal a detail or trend that is consistent with the hijacking?

Does anyone know what time this press conference is happening?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Olemisscub on July 13, 2016, 11:24:49 AM
Do we know for certain that DB jumped in his suit? He could have changed clothes between the last time Tina saw him and when he jumped.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on July 13, 2016, 12:02:25 PM
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Do we know for certain that DB jumped in his suit? He could have changed clothes between the last time Tina saw him and when he jumped.

Cooper did not have any luggage with him except the brief case containing the bomb (and Tina saw its contents) and a relatively small paper bag which was reported to be about the size of a sandwich bag.  So where did his change of clothes come from?

Basically, the only "equipment" that Cooper had with him was a pocket knife.  He had to have such a knife because there was nothing else in the plane to cut the shroud lines with.  In case you are wondering, the cutlery onboard would not cut hot butter.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: jason.waterfalls on July 13, 2016, 12:10:44 PM
Is it not a coincidence...

1. The money found was found a Tena Bar.  And the Stewardess' name was Tina. 
2. The money was found on a Border of 2 states, and all the money and the borders were burned or seared. 
3. The money was found in the Columbia River.  The amount of money subtracted from 200k is $194,200.  (1492 year) The same numbers that Columbus found America.  And the Columbia river is named after Columbus
4. Oregon's Area Code is and has been 503.  The Flight hijacked was 305. 
5. Possible grudge against American Government, and doing this solely for Natives.  As the the requested amount was in $20's, and Andrew Jackson is on the $20 bill.  Probably the worst president, especially when it comes to Natives.

The reason why I post these things, is because I think that DB Cooper sent a message to the white house.  The FBI understood this, and that is why they pay no attention to anyone who brings anything forward. 
There is also a possibility that the CIA, is taunting the FBI with an event as such.  It appears to me that this was planned well ahead..  There is no doubt in my mind that the money was planted.  If you cant see that, then you should hone your problem solving skills some.  There are clearly clues left behind from it.  You cannot tell me that money randomly appeared 9 years later, with the rubber bands still attached, and somehow this money floated down some rivers to land in that spot for someone to find it.  Those odds are completely ridiculous. 

I read somewhere about all the people that are trying to solve this case, are only doing it for a legendary status.  So there is no interest in the facts of others opinions.  If you see the truth, and it jeopardizes your illusion, then you will hide from the truth.  However, opinions are opinions... I am just stating the simple facts here, and there is no way that money, ended up there by chance.  IT was put there. 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 13, 2016, 12:17:36 PM
Did anyone bother to record these programs so that screen shots are available?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 13, 2016, 12:28:16 PM
You are on the wrong forum if you believe we are wanting ledgendary status. You also need to fully understand the money find, and location
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Post by: Olemisscub on July 13, 2016, 12:33:36 PM
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Do we know for certain that DB jumped in his suit? He could have changed clothes between the last time Tina saw him and when he jumped.

Cooper did not have any luggage with him except the brief case containing the bomb (and Tina saw its contents) and a relatively small paper bag which was reported to be about the size of a sandwich bag.  So where did his change of clothes come from?

Basically, the only "equipment" that Cooper had with him was a pocket knife.  He had to have such a knife because there was nothing else in the plane to cut the shroud lines with.  In case you are wondering, the cutlery onboard would not cut hot butter.

Got it. I had forgotten that all he had was the bomb briefcase.

btw, I know you are a "DB died" guy, but the only thing giving me pause from joining that camp is all the time I've spent on Namus looking at missing persons. Other than folks like Lepsy or Wilson, there is no one that comes close to fitting the DB description and I've looked at hundreds of missing men around those years. Of course, not everyone who went missing is on there, but I bet most are.
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Post by: georger on July 13, 2016, 12:35:44 PM
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My first post here, just thought I'd try mentioning a couple things RE: Rackstraw:

1) A lot of people seem to be dismissing him as a viable suspect based on age, and based on Tina's interview, where she seemed doubtful that it was him.  The guy has been proven to be a true chameleon.  Decorated war vet, convict, law professor, etc etc.  I wouldn't rule out Rackstraw even if a stewardess said he was an elderly black woman.

2) It was mentioned on the show, but not much was really made of the fact that he jumped out of a plane and parachuted to avoid trial for check fraud and explosives.  That's two direct tie-ins to NORJAK.  If there is any evidence still around from that case, it seems like perhaps some connections could be made?

3) Perhaps I missed it on the show, but apparently Rackstraw was once charged with murder and ultimately acquitted.  I'm not sure at what stage of their 5 year investigation did the team start focusing on Rackstraw exclusively, but it seems like they could have even dug deeper.  Or perhaps they did, and the show was edited down to 4 hours and a lot got omitted.  I wish History had turned it into a season-long series, it would seem to yield good ratings.

Good observations - the program also failed to answer one question: did Rackstraw own a private plane on 11-24-71?

Simply saying Rackstraw was deWinter is not enough. No proof. Rackstraw appears to have been suffering PTSD when he suddenly was decommissioned and sent back to the USA from Vietnam in '71.

As I said before, the whole program is based on "skill set" vs actually documented history.  Rackstraw did this, did that, but no hard proof of anything. And nothing to tie him to the hijacking at all.

BTW, the FBI already announced thru Marla they were closing the case in 2011! What will the future hold? You have been looking at it since 2011!  :)) The trend is obvious. People will now consolidate and exploit their opportunities. The usual names come to mind.  :)) 

Was DB Cooper Tom Kaye's uncle, PD? Or Geoff Gray's uncle, OD? Several more new productions are in the planning stages - I guess you already knew that. Just wait until the Chinese and Mexicans get into this! Kaye lives right on the border so he can switch either way as need be. He has illegals going through his back yard every day. One of them must have been DB Cooper!  :)) 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on July 13, 2016, 12:36:45 PM
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Is it not a coincidence...

1. The money found was found a Tena Bar.  And the Stewardess' name was Tina. 
2. The money was found on a Border of 2 states, and all the money and the borders were burned or seared. 
3. The money was found in the Columbia River.  The amount of money subtracted from 200k is $194,200.  (1492 year) The same numbers that Columbus found America.  And the Columbia river is named after Columbus
4. Oregon's Area Code is and has been 503.  The Flight hijacked was 305. 
5. Possible grudge against American Government, and doing this solely for Natives.  As the the requested amount was in $20's, and Andrew Jackson is on the $20 bill.  Probably the worst president, especially when it comes to Natives.

The reason why I post these things, is because I think that DB Cooper sent a message to the white house.  The FBI understood this, and that is why they pay no attention to anyone who brings anything forward. 
There is also a possibility that the CIA, is taunting the FBI with an event as such.  It appears to me that this was planned well ahead..  There is no doubt in my mind that the money was planted.  If you cant see that, then you should hone your problem solving skills some.  There are clearly clues left behind from it.  You cannot tell me that money randomly appeared 9 years later, with the rubber bands still attached, and somehow this money floated down some rivers to land in that spot for someone to find it.  Those odds are completely ridiculous. 

I read somewhere about all the people that are trying to solve this case, are only doing it for a legendary status.  So there is no interest in the facts of others opinions.  If you see the truth, and it jeopardizes your illusion, then you will hide from the truth.  However, opinions are opinions... I am just stating the simple facts here, and there is no way that money, ended up there by chance.  IT was put there.

Okay, let's start with a few facts.

The money was found at "Tina Bar" and that name was clearly shown on the gate in some of the video in the recent program.

There is no indication that any of the bills were burned.

Cooper did NOT specify any denomination for the bills in the $200,000 loot he wanted.  The FBI made the decision to use $20 bills because they would be the most bulky and create some problems for Cooper.

Since Cooper wanted to go to Mexico, I doubt if his loot would have provided any benefits for the American Indians.

I doubt if the name "Columbia" had anything to do with "Columbus" in the naming of the river.

When all is said and done, I think Cooper wanted the money and a free ride to Mexico so that he could live it up a bit and spend that money there.

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on July 13, 2016, 12:49:02 PM
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Do we know for certain that DB jumped in his suit? He could have changed clothes between the last time Tina saw him and when he jumped.

Cooper did not have any luggage with him except the brief case containing the bomb (and Tina saw its contents) and a relatively small paper bag which was reported to be about the size of a sandwich bag.  So where did his change of clothes come from?

Basically, the only "equipment" that Cooper had with him was a pocket knife.  He had to have such a knife because there was nothing else in the plane to cut the shroud lines with.  In case you are wondering, the cutlery onboard would not cut hot butter.

Got it. I had forgotten that all he had was the bomb briefcase.

btw, I know you are a "DB died" guy, but the only thing giving me pause from joining that camp is all the time I've spent on Namus looking at missing persons. Other than folks like Lepsy or Wilson, there is no one that comes close to fitting the DB description and I've looked at hundreds of missing men around those years. Of course, not everyone who went missing is on there, but I bet most are.

Does the Namus list include only USA citizens?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 13, 2016, 12:59:38 PM
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Is it not a coincidence...

1. The money found was found a Tena Bar.  And the Stewardess' name was Tina. 
2. The money was found on a Border of 2 states, and all the money and the borders were burned or seared. 
3. The money was found in the Columbia River.  The amount of money subtracted from 200k is $194,200.  (1492 year) The same numbers that Columbus found America.  And the Columbia river is named after Columbus
4. Oregon's Area Code is and has been 503.  The Flight hijacked was 305. 
5. Possible grudge against American Government, and doing this solely for Natives.  As the the requested amount was in $20's, and Andrew Jackson is on the $20 bill.  Probably the worst president, especially when it comes to Natives.

The reason why I post these things, is because I think that DB Cooper sent a message to the white house.  The FBI understood this, and that is why they pay no attention to anyone who brings anything forward. 
There is also a possibility that the CIA, is taunting the FBI with an event as such.  It appears to me that this was planned well ahead..  There is no doubt in my mind that the money was planted.  If you cant see that, then you should hone your problem solving skills some.  There are clearly clues left behind from it.  You cannot tell me that money randomly appeared 9 years later, with the rubber bands still attached, and somehow this money floated down some rivers to land in that spot for someone to find it.  Those odds are completely ridiculous. 

I read somewhere about all the people that are trying to solve this case, are only doing it for a legendary status.  So there is no interest in the facts of others opinions.  If you see the truth, and it jeopardizes your illusion, then you will hide from the truth.  However, opinions are opinions... I am just stating the simple facts here, and there is no way that money, ended up there by chance.  IT was put there.

So, in your opinion, did the person who planted the money also plant the shards and much smaller fragments of money that was found at depths of a couple of feet deeper than the bundles of money?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Olemisscub on July 13, 2016, 01:09:31 PM
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Do we know for certain that DB jumped in his suit? He could have changed clothes between the last time Tina saw him and when he jumped.

Cooper did not have any luggage with him except the brief case containing the bomb (and Tina saw its contents) and a relatively small paper bag which was reported to be about the size of a sandwich bag.  So where did his change of clothes come from?

Basically, the only "equipment" that Cooper had with him was a pocket knife.  He had to have such a knife because there was nothing else in the plane to cut the shroud lines with.  In case you are wondering, the cutlery onboard would not cut hot butter.

Got it. I had forgotten that all he had was the bomb briefcase.

btw, I know you are a "DB died" guy, but the only thing giving me pause from joining that camp is all the time I've spent on Namus looking at missing persons. Other than folks like Lepsy or Wilson, there is no one that comes close to fitting the DB description and I've looked at hundreds of missing men around those years. Of course, not everyone who went missing is on there, but I bet most are.

Does the Namus list include only USA citizens?

It's only people that went missing from America, not sure if they are all citizens or not.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Olemisscub on July 13, 2016, 01:16:15 PM
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Did anyone bother to record these programs so that screen shots are available?

Yep, I got several

(http://i.imgur.com/1FvxeaSh.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/RZyk2GPh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/EfzPlcDh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/8KVgJ4Dh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/otFo8v7h.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/ymnevpdh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/NPgOS7bh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/Bf6A1Ksh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/94wcw3Fh.png)

and last but not least

(http://i.imgur.com/72sa6iSh.png)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 13, 2016, 01:57:26 PM
Nice shots!

Did anyone capture Flo? She sure looked younger than her years. I want to know who her
plastic surgeon is.

Tina was sharp. On her game. Articulate and smart.
Demolished the rumors of her being and irreparably wounded emotional wreck.

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 13, 2016, 02:00:32 PM
And Bruce, why did HC call your a FORMER investigative reporter? Have you retired?

Pained me to see the tie and other evidence being boxed up for shipment to the same warehouse
where the Arc of the Covenant was depicted in Indiana Jones.

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 13, 2016, 02:01:35 PM
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Did anyone bother to record these programs so that screen shots are available?

Yep, I got several


Thanks - nice. Any of the TBar excavation ? I want them all if possible ...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on July 13, 2016, 02:11:49 PM
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Nice shots!

Did anyone capture Flo? She sure looked younger than her years. I want to know who her
plastic surgeon is.

Tina was sharp. On her game. Articulate and smart.
Demolished the rumors of her being and irreparably wounded emotional wreck.

377

You might check with Geoffrey Gary for the answer to your question about Flo.  He apparently got an interview with her for his book and wrote that she was surprisingly buff.  Maybe she has just taken care of herself. 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 13, 2016, 02:38:17 PM
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Nice shots!

Did anyone capture Flo? She sure looked younger than her years. I want to know who her
plastic surgeon is.

Tina was sharp. On her game. Articulate and smart.
Demolished the rumors of her being and irreparably wounded emotional wreck.

377

Was Flo on there? I don't remember seeing her, did I miss that?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Olemisscub on July 13, 2016, 02:45:01 PM
Flo's footage was old stock footage.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Olemisscub on July 13, 2016, 02:51:45 PM
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Did anyone bother to record these programs so that screen shots are available?

Yep, I got several


Thanks - nice. Any of the TBar excavation ? I want them all if possible ...

You mean of them walking around there recently or some of the original news footage?
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Post by: georger on July 13, 2016, 02:53:35 PM
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Nice shots!

Did anyone capture Flo? She sure looked younger than her years. I want to know who her
plastic surgeon is.

Tina was sharp. On her game. Articulate and smart.
Demolished the rumors of her being and irreparably wounded emotional wreck.

377

Was Flo on there? I don't remember seeing her, did I miss that?

Flo was sought out.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: jason.waterfalls on July 13, 2016, 02:53:58 PM
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Is it not a coincidence...

1. The money found was found a Tena Bar.  And the Stewardess' name was Tina. 
2. The money was found on a Border of 2 states, and all the money and the borders were burned or seared. 
3. The money was found in the Columbia River.  The amount of money subtracted from 200k is $194,200.  (1492 year) The same numbers that Columbus found America.  And the Columbia river is named after Columbus
4. Oregon's Area Code is and has been 503.  The Flight hijacked was 305. 
5. Possible grudge against American Government, and doing this solely for Natives.  As the the requested amount was in $20's, and Andrew Jackson is on the $20 bill.  Probably the worst president, especially when it comes to Natives.

The reason why I post these things, is because I think that DB Cooper sent a message to the white house.  The FBI understood this, and that is why they pay no attention to anyone who brings anything forward. 
There is also a possibility that the CIA, is taunting the FBI with an event as such.  It appears to me that this was planned well ahead..  There is no doubt in my mind that the money was planted.  If you cant see that, then you should hone your problem solving skills some.  There are clearly clues left behind from it.  You cannot tell me that money randomly appeared 9 years later, with the rubber bands still attached, and somehow this money floated down some rivers to land in that spot for someone to find it.  Those odds are completely ridiculous. 

I read somewhere about all the people that are trying to solve this case, are only doing it for a legendary status.  So there is no interest in the facts of others opinions.  If you see the truth, and it jeopardizes your illusion, then you will hide from the truth.  However, opinions are opinions... I am just stating the simple facts here, and there is no way that money, ended up there by chance.  IT was put there.

So, in your opinion, did the person who planted the money also plant the shards and much smaller fragments of money that was found at depths of a couple of feet deeper than the bundles of money?

Well technically yeah.  There is no logical explanation how the money could have went from a couple a feet down, to surfacing the top.  So the fragments were probably from the bundle itself, that fell down the whole during the dig.  I do not see someone planting shards of money though.. From what you are saying, is that there is a possibility that the money could have been bobbing up and down in the sand all this time? 
Plus, I have not seen anything about shards of money that were buried deeper.. That does not seem to make sense to me...
You really have to have an open mind, otherwise, you are just leaving stuff on the table.. selling yourself short
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 13, 2016, 02:55:09 PM
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Did anyone bother to record these programs so that screen shots are available?

Yep, I got several


Thanks - nice. Any of the TBar excavation ? I want them all if possible ...

You mean of them walking around there recently or some of the original news footage?

I mean original high quality KIRO news tape that was used and shown on this History Channel production.
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Post by: georger on July 13, 2016, 03:00:58 PM
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Is it not a coincidence...

1. The money found was found a Tena Bar.  And the Stewardess' name was Tina. 
2. The money was found on a Border of 2 states, and all the money and the borders were burned or seared. 
3. The money was found in the Columbia River.  The amount of money subtracted from 200k is $194,200.  (1492 year) The same numbers that Columbus found America.  And the Columbia river is named after Columbus
4. Oregon's Area Code is and has been 503.  The Flight hijacked was 305. 
5. Possible grudge against American Government, and doing this solely for Natives.  As the the requested amount was in $20's, and Andrew Jackson is on the $20 bill.  Probably the worst president, especially when it comes to Natives.

The reason why I post these things, is because I think that DB Cooper sent a message to the white house.  The FBI understood this, and that is why they pay no attention to anyone who brings anything forward. 
There is also a possibility that the CIA, is taunting the FBI with an event as such.  It appears to me that this was planned well ahead..  There is no doubt in my mind that the money was planted.  If you cant see that, then you should hone your problem solving skills some.  There are clearly clues left behind from it.  You cannot tell me that money randomly appeared 9 years later, with the rubber bands still attached, and somehow this money floated down some rivers to land in that spot for someone to find it.  Those odds are completely ridiculous. 

I read somewhere about all the people that are trying to solve this case, are only doing it for a legendary status.  So there is no interest in the facts of others opinions.  If you see the truth, and it jeopardizes your illusion, then you will hide from the truth.  However, opinions are opinions... I am just stating the simple facts here, and there is no way that money, ended up there by chance.  IT was put there.

So, in your opinion, did the person who planted the money also plant the shards and much smaller fragments of money that was found at depths of a couple of feet deeper than the bundles of money?

Well technically yeah.  There is no logical explanation how the money could have went from a couple a feet down, to surfacing the top.  So the fragments were probably from the bundle itself, that fell down the whole during the dig.  I do not see someone planting shards of money though.. From what you are saying, is that there is a possibility that the money could have been bobbing up and down in the sand all this time? 
Plus, I have not seen anything about shards of money that were buried deeper.. That does not seem to make sense to me...
You really have to have an open mind, otherwise, you are just leaving stuff on the table.. selling yourself short

Have you not read here that we discussed a KATU video recently posted of the excavation at Tena Bar and taken down on YouTube that shows .... ? You dont believe me, Dorwin Schreuder, others? Hmmm. The Future has arrived. It aint good!  :))

Do you think we spend thousands of hours just to sit here and make this stuff up?    O0 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 13, 2016, 03:19:40 PM
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Nice shots!

Did anyone capture Flo? She sure looked younger than her years. I want to know who her
plastic surgeon is.

Tina was sharp. On her game. Articulate and smart.
Demolished the rumors of her being and irreparably wounded emotional wreck.

377

I assume that those shots of Flo were archival from the 1970s. She's currently 68, I believe.

Tina was sharp. I am pleased for her.

As for me, I'm pondering all that has occurred to me on my journey with Tina and her family - what does it all mean? What happened and why?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 13, 2016, 03:22:17 PM
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And Bruce, why did HC call your a FORMER investigative reporter? Have you retired?

Pained me to see the tie and other evidence being boxed up for shipment to the same warehouse
where the Arc of the Covenant was depicted in Indiana Jones.

377

I am a CURRENT investigative reporter, although I don't get up before noon...

...I, too, was wondering why LMNO called me a "former."

Me, too - I was pained seeing everything boxed up. It hurt more than some of my divorces. BUT I AM NOT OBSESSED WITH THIS CASE!!!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 13, 2016, 03:24:20 PM
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Nice shots!

Did anyone capture Flo? She sure looked younger than her years. I want to know who her
plastic surgeon is.

Tina was sharp. On her game. Articulate and smart.
Demolished the rumors of her being and irreparably wounded emotional wreck.

377

I assume that those shots of Flo were archival from the 1970s. She's currently 68, I believe.

Tina was sharp. I am pleased for her.

As for me, I'm pondering all that has occurred to me on my journey with Tina and her family - what does it all mean? What happened and why?

Ask Colbert! He will tell you what happened to Flo.  :))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 13, 2016, 03:27:55 PM
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...Plus, I have not seen anything about shards of money that were buried deeper.. That does not seem to make sense to me...


Jason, please read my book, at least the section on the money find. Or go to the Mountain News-WA and read for free what has been discovered at Tina/Tena Bar. Otherwise, you're gonna piss off a lot of us here.

Please. You sound like a nice guy, and have a lot to say. I'd love to ponder what you say, but you have to educate yourself, now.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 13, 2016, 03:33:06 PM
OLE MISS Cubbie - great screen shots! Thank you, immensely.

Gawd, now that I've seen the docu and seen my behavior up-close-and-personal, I didn't know that I sounded so, um...crazy. Well, intense, perhaps... whew. I'm amazed that you folks put up with me as well as you do.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 13, 2016, 03:39:26 PM
Copter footage was a different station ...kiroTV,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiuYyfG7-P0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: EVickiW on July 13, 2016, 03:56:10 PM
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Flo's footage was old stock footage.

You are right. The footage of Florence is from the Unsolved Mysteries DB Cooper episode when she met with a forensic artist and completed a new sketch. I had it saved (originally posted on the DZ) on my computer as a PDF and compared with my Father's mugshot taken 4/20/1971.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: andrade1812 on July 13, 2016, 04:15:12 PM
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And Bruce, why did HC call your a FORMER investigative reporter? Have you retired?

Pained me to see the tie and other evidence being boxed up for shipment to the same warehouse
where the Arc of the Covenant was depicted in Indiana Jones.

377

Was I the only one to notice they put on the tie tack the reverse of how Cooper wore it?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 13, 2016, 04:32:30 PM
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Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 13, 2016, 04:46:54 PM
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...

Forgive my ignorance .... what is the significance of this lost bit of footage?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Olemisscub on July 13, 2016, 04:52:05 PM
Not a lot of good footage, but this is what I was able to get.

(http://i.imgur.com/hHnrcLMh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/LyleXuqh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/EOgWbUlh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/QnT6Y6bh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/0Cb9YgSh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/PCsyD6mh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/G4mmKinh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/h4Nbnz8h.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/F3CxSuJh.png)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 13, 2016, 06:30:42 PM
Perhaps this could close the case with people believing it was Cooper's chute...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef6Ok4EXp_M
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 13, 2016, 07:36:00 PM
Bruce wrote: Gawd, now that I've seen the docu and seen my behavior up-close-and-personal, I didn't know that I sounded so, um...crazy. Well, intense, perhaps...

Who knows Bruce, you may get drafted for some "character" acting gigs. You did just fine. I can see a spot for you in Bates Motel.  ;)

Marla, WTF? Norjack was a conspiracy between the airlines and the FBI? She really surprised me with that "revelation".

Tina sounds like she has had some psychology training... her talk about DBC's lack of psychotic ideation. I was quite impressed with her.

LD was not a paratrooper and neither was Duane Weber. Now that they have been given paratrooper status on History Channel it will be impossible to rectify the error.

Curtis Eng looks like he appropriated one of the shirts taken from the DEA investigation at Prince's compound.

He did make a good point about "prosecutable cases". Anything short of that is of little use to his employer.

Wonder how Jo is taking all this?

377







Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 13, 2016, 08:04:29 PM
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Wonder how Jo is taking all this?

She is still at it, long emails are still coming..Blevins will be the same. both have given the FBI tons of "evidence", even though the FBI states "no credible leads"

Jo's last email basically states that the show helped?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 13, 2016, 08:29:59 PM
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Flo's footage was old stock footage.

You are right. The footage of Florence is from the Unsolved Mysteries DB Cooper episode when she met with a forensic artist and completed a new sketch. I had it saved (originally posted on the DZ) on my computer as a PDF and compared with my Father's mugshot taken 4/20/1971.

Florence's sketch is miles apart from the regular Cooper sketch. The two best eyewitnesses and they came up with wildly different versions. It just goes to show how little stock can be put into eyewitness accounts.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bee40 on July 13, 2016, 08:37:21 PM
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Perhaps this could close the case with people believing it was Cooper's chute...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef6Ok4EXp_M

I don't know much about parachute usage, but the thing that struck me was the manufacturer's tag on the Amboy chute was 1946.  That seems to eliminate it as the one Cooper used, since it would be too old in 1971?  Or no?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 13, 2016, 08:55:17 PM
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I don't know much about parachute usage, but the thing that struck me was the manufacturer's tag on the Amboy chute was 1946.  That seems to eliminate it as the one Cooper used, since it would be too old in 1971?  Or no?

Correct, Earl Cossey said it was a 32, or 34 foot cargo chute. I'm not sure of the year the chutes were for Cooper, late 50's to early 60's....someone will correct me if I'm wrong..
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: andrade1812 on July 13, 2016, 09:09:50 PM
Bruce, I want to second 377 and agree that you did a fine job in the documentary.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 13, 2016, 09:45:40 PM
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Perhaps this could close the case with people believing it was Cooper's chute...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef6Ok4EXp_M

Is this an out-take? I don't remember seeing it in the docu. Great snippet. I never heard that the canopy was cut from something still in the ground.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 13, 2016, 09:57:01 PM
I don't recall seeing it either, but Carr said it wasn't actually in the ground. never the less, it's not Cooper's chute, it probably wasn't there long at all in the first place, as I've stated many time to, you know who. it sounds like someone cleaned out a house, and dumped the garbage out back. the chute was part of the garbage. no conspiracy, just an old chute that pops up frequently all over the country. people use them for all sorts of things...

And, just because is wan't considered "evidence" it was now part of the Cooper case, and not open for discussion while the case was still open.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 13, 2016, 10:01:57 PM
GG made the NY Times:

Ole Geoffrey made the Times, again, commenting on the FBI closing the case:

"Geoffrey Gray, a journalist who has contributed to The Times and who wrote the 2011 book on the investigation, “Skyjack: The Hunt for D.B. Cooper,” said in an article published after the F.B.I. announcement this week that the case was legally still open.

"He said it had initially been deemed a case of air piracy, a felony that carried a statute of limitations of five years. However, a grand jury indicted the hijacker in absentia for violating the Hobbs Act, another federal statute aimed to prevent extortion that carried no statute of limitations.

“'In theory, if Cooper were to walk out of the woods today, he could theoretically be charged with a crime,' he wrote.
 
"F.B.I. agents scoured the sand along the Columbia River after the cash found by an 8-year-old revived the case nine years after the hijacking. Credit Reid Blackburn/Associated Press 
 
"Why did the F.B.I. decide to shelve the investigation?

"The agency said it was redirecting resources because every time the F.B.I. assesses additional tips for the Norjak case,” referring to the name it gave the D.B. Cooper probe, “investigative resources and manpower are diverted from programs that more urgently need attention.”

"The F.B.I. said that the “countless items” it has examined over the years would be preserved for historical purposes at its headquarters. The agency did say people could still contact the bureau if they had specific leads.

"Mr. Gray said, “Hundreds if not more Cooper sleuths continue to harangue the office with their leads. Reassigning the lone agent on the case," he said, “is really an attempt by the bureau to spare the office from irritating calls, wacky emails and more.”

Emphasis added. Smile.

Tell it like it is, brother!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 13, 2016, 10:12:38 PM
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attempt by the bureau to spare the office from irritating calls, wacky emails and more

That's a tough one, wonder who they were talking about  :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

I would love a cup of "   "  C:-)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 13, 2016, 10:44:00 PM
Gee, I wonder who...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 13, 2016, 10:50:45 PM
Legal Question

Exactly what is the status of the evidence and files? Can the public now see this stuff? What is available? What is still off-limits? Why?

Does anyone think the FBI is really going to save any manpower hours? They're just gonna 86 every FOIA request? What about the law suits demanding access?
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Post by: Shutter on July 13, 2016, 10:58:56 PM
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Legal Question

Exactly what is the status of the evidence and files? Can the public now see this stuff? What is available? What is still off-limits? Why?

Does anyone think the FBI is really going to save any manpower hours? They're just gonna 86 every FOIA request? What about the law suits demanding access?


I believe everything is still off limits. what it appears to have done is remove them from any liability to anything about the case, unless it's something of value. if you send them a letter saying you think the guy up the street is Cooper, they won't followup on the lead. they want positive proof before doing anything. if you call them saying you have serial numbers matching the Cooper bills. a knock will occur at your door  C:-)
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Post by: james on July 13, 2016, 11:53:27 PM
Any news on the conference that Colbert and his team was supposed to give today?
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Post by: Robert99 on July 13, 2016, 11:55:30 PM
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I don't know much about parachute usage, but the thing that struck me was the manufacturer's tag on the Amboy chute was 1946.  That seems to eliminate it as the one Cooper used, since it would be too old in 1971?  Or no?

Correct, Earl Cossey said it was a 32, or 34 foot cargo chute. I'm not sure of the year the chutes were for Cooper, late 50's to early 60's....someone will correct me if I'm wrong..

From the 1950s to the early 1960s is a good estimate.  Typically, with "normal" use as a civilian emergency parachute, the whole rig should have been good for about 20 years.

I believe the military routinely replaced their parachutes about ever 10 years.  In addition to complete parachute rigs, there was tons and tons of parachute parts from WW2 released as surplus.  Since Cossey assembled the rig, he may have used parts that were in their original shipping wrappers.

A few years ago, I bought an NB-6 container that was several decades old but was still in its original plastic shipping bag.  It had never been used on anything.
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Post by: smokin99 on July 14, 2016, 12:04:35 AM
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Was I the only one who found it odd that in his 1979 interview, Rackstraw claimed he couldn't possibly be DB Cooper because he's afraid of heights? The guy did parachute jumps in the army and flew helicopters in Vietnam. He owned and regularly flew a Cessna, even using it to try to fake his own death.

"Afriad of heights?"  Seems like a weird thing for an innocent man to say, no?

Seems to me that he somewhat enjoyed being a Cooper suspect. I guess it could be kind of cool if people think you may be a "master criminal". Seems like he may still enjoy it.

That certainly could be it. He had the peace of mind knowing that he was innocent but liked the idea of being linked to such a sexy crime. On the other hand, when many years in prison may be riding on the line, it seems like quite the risk to take. I was surprised the person doing the interview didn't respond to that comment with "Afraid of heights? What do you mean? You've parachuted out of planes, you've flown helicopters and planes...."

On another note, am I color blind (entirely possible) or did Rackstraw have light blue eyes in that interview? Cooper was described by Tina as having dark eyes. And in the 93 pieces of evidence, it was noted that Rackstraw had dark eyes just like Cooper. I could be crazy but I swear I recall seeing light blue or perhaps green eyes in that interview footage. I still have it saved on my DVR so I can go back and look again. Anyone else notice this (or am I just nuts?)
I thought they looked blue also but not to sure about the quality of video . On that video though they definitely did not look dark brown. But lol....we've had other suspects and folks get around that with the colored contacts route....why stop now... 😀

On another note- I'm not seeing anything that makes me dismiss him outright though two things Are not impossible but kind of annoying to overcome. One is that he was looked at and rejected and we don't know why , another is the Tina interview. Both could be overcome but is still a rather large elephant in the room.
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Post by: georger on July 14, 2016, 12:40:36 AM
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Was I the only one who found it odd that in his 1979 interview, Rackstraw claimed he couldn't possibly be DB Cooper because he's afraid of heights? The guy did parachute jumps in the army and flew helicopters in Vietnam. He owned and regularly flew a Cessna, even using it to try to fake his own death.

"Afriad of heights?"  Seems like a weird thing for an innocent man to say, no?

Seems to me that he somewhat enjoyed being a Cooper suspect. I guess it could be kind of cool if people think you may be a "master criminal". Seems like he may still enjoy it.

That certainly could be it. He had the peace of mind knowing that he was innocent but liked the idea of being linked to such a sexy crime. On the other hand, when many years in prison may be riding on the line, it seems like quite the risk to take. I was surprised the person doing the interview didn't respond to that comment with "Afraid of heights? What do you mean? You've parachuted out of planes, you've flown helicopters and planes...."

On another note, am I color blind (entirely possible) or did Rackstraw have light blue eyes in that interview? Cooper was described by Tina as having dark eyes. And in the 93 pieces of evidence, it was noted that Rackstraw had dark eyes just like Cooper. I could be crazy but I swear I recall seeing light blue or perhaps green eyes in that interview footage. I still have it saved on my DVR so I can go back and look again. Anyone else notice this (or am I just nuts?)
I thought they looked blue also but not to sure about the quality of video . On that video though they definitely did not look dark brown. But lol....we've had other suspects and folks get around that with the colored contacts route....why stop now... 😀

On another note- I'm not seeing anything that makes me dismiss him outright though two things Are not impossible but kind of annoying to overcome. One is that he was looked at and rejected and we don't know why , another is the Tina interview. Both could be overcome but is still a rather large elephant in the room.

In addition they could not put him anywhere near the crime on dates that would matter.

They avoided or forgot about factual details, like dark brown eyes. The deWinter thing has no solid proof whatever. And, they evidently didn't read Dropzone enough to know the Cooper facts that matter  .. to try and connect deWinter or Rackstraw to those known proven factoids!

There is another production gearing up which may take a different approach. They want all of the small factoids that make an actual case. This new production has no suspect. Their goal is to understand the crime and be as historically accurate as possible.  For one, they are very interested in the flight path options and how each was developed by whom on what dates. They want the technical details involved in the Cooper case. They do not want to talk to candidate pushers! 

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 14, 2016, 12:40:42 AM
My guess would be during that period they might of shown his picture to the crew, next problem would be his age, and then the color of his eye's. back then. they probably shot him down quickly due to his age....the stews were close to his age. I'm having trouble believing the got it that far off, all of them....
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Post by: smokin99 on July 14, 2016, 01:00:46 AM
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Perhaps this could close the case with people believing it was Cooper's chute...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef6Ok4EXp_M

Is this an out-take? I don't remember seeing it in the docu. Great snippet. I never heard that the canopy was cut from something still in the ground.

A couple of things - and this is not to dis Tom Kaye in any way and I'm not saying the chute was silk or defending Cossey either -  Just observations from having heard this take before.

First it was noted on drop zone that the cords were cut from whatever was in the ground - that wasn't kept a secret. I always wondered why they didn't go dig the place up like they did after the money find. A couple of scoops of dirt and they would know whether it was cargo or a body holding a briefcase .

2nd- the chute did have some deterioration in the pictures - maybe it wasn't tattered completely to pieces but it certainly wasn't pristine. In some place it seemed to have quite a bit of wear. Even with silk Its  possible that the size of it helped shield it from total deterioration.

3rd- it's not absolutely accurate that there were no silk chutes in mid 1940s because we found other examples of some cargo chutes. Yes silk was at a standstill but just because we could not get any more silk does not mean that all of the silk already stored in warehouses and mills just disappeared - it was used up and that took some time. I Posted  records of this ...lol ..back when I was more than mildly obsessed.  :)

Now maybe Tom Kaye actually examined the chute and maybe he has special knowledge of how Cossey did or didn't examine it. If so, and he is speaking from that level of knowledge then good on him and Mea culpa. I would give his opinion a lot of weight if that is the case.
 And maybe it is nylon - good chance it is - But if he didn't examine it then frankly he is speculating like everyone else and I don't understand how anyone can speak with such certainty if they did not first hand the chute.
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Post by: smokin99 on July 14, 2016, 01:06:13 AM
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My guess would be during that period they might of shown his picture to the crew, next problem would be his age, and then the color of his eye's. back then. they probably shot him down quickly due to his age....the stews were close to his age. I'm having trouble believing the got it that far off, all of them....

And maybe they had more faith in the prints then and compared them.

I think I read from the articles in 79 where Rackstraw  made the statement that it would come out in his trial why he could not be Cooper - but I Couldn't find anymore on that.
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Post by: smokin99 on July 14, 2016, 01:11:43 AM
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Was I the only one who found it odd that in his 1979 interview, Rackstraw claimed he couldn't possibly be DB Cooper because he's afraid of heights? The guy did parachute jumps in the army and flew helicopters in Vietnam. He owned and regularly flew a Cessna, even using it to try to fake his own death.

"Afriad of heights?"  Seems like a weird thing for an innocent man to say, no?

Seems to me that he somewhat enjoyed being a Cooper suspect. I guess it could be kind of cool if people think you may be a "master criminal". Seems like he may still enjoy it.

That certainly could be it. He had the peace of mind knowing that he was innocent but liked the idea of being linked to such a sexy crime. On the other hand, when many years in prison may be riding on the line, it seems like quite the risk to take. I was surprised the person doing the interview didn't respond to that comment with "Afraid of heights? What do you mean? You've parachuted out of planes, you've flown helicopters and planes...."

On another note, am I color blind (entirely possible) or did Rackstraw have light blue eyes in that interview? Cooper was described by Tina as having dark eyes. And in the 93 pieces of evidence, it was noted that Rackstraw had dark eyes just like Cooper. I could be crazy but I swear I recall seeing light blue or perhaps green eyes in that interview footage. I still have it saved on my DVR so I can go back and look again. Anyone else notice this (or am I just nuts?)
I thought they looked blue also but not to sure about the quality of video . On that video though they definitely did not look dark brown. But lol....we've had other suspects and folks get around that with the colored contacts route....why stop now... 😀

On another note- I'm not seeing anything that makes me dismiss him outright though two things Are not impossible but kind of annoying to overcome. One is that he was looked at and rejected and we don't know why , another is the Tina interview. Both could be overcome but is still a rather large elephant in the room.

In addition they could not put him anywhere near the crime on dates that would matter.

They avoided or forgot about factual details, like dark brown eyes. The deWinter thing has no solid proof whatever. And, they evidently didn't read Dropzone enough to know the Cooper facts that matter  .. to try and connect deWinter or Rackstraw to those known proven factoids!

There is another production gearing up which may take a different approach. They want all of the small factoids that make an actual case. This new production has no suspect. Their goal is to understand the crime and be as historically accurate as possible.  For one, they are very interested in the flight path options and how each was developed by whom on what dates. They want the technical details involved in the Cooper case. They do not want to talk to candidate pushers!

Speaking of Dropzone, I was wondering what name(s) Colbert, et al might have posted under - unless they just lurked - cause you know they had to have read it - how could they not ?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 14, 2016, 01:16:29 AM
I emailed him about the chute years ago, he told me while he was there looking over the files that it never crossed his mind about the chute since it was dismissed. the questions that were asked sounded very familiar, one who always claimed Cossey only looked at the chute for seconds.

Carr is named in a report/newspaper that he dug around the area, and found nothing else, or something to that extent. I would have to find it again.

After hearing Carr's version now, it appears he might not of been so clear back then allowing mystery around it. the way he talks about it now doesn't fit with what was said in the past. no mention of garbage piles where the chute was found, only that they dug around the area making it sound like it was in the ground. I always thought something was strange about the whole thing, but makes more sense now vs what I thought before this interview.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 14, 2016, 01:19:32 AM
Fame and Fortune Dep't

48 hours past Part II, and here are the stats:

1. 17,000 Readers at the Mountain News, up from a daily average of 150.
2. 15 copies of DB Cooper sold, with 2 being sold 7.1-7.10
3. 0 marriage proposals, with 0 per annum being the average.

Note: I mention this last piece because during the PBS Ken Burns documentary on the Civil War noted historian, Shelby Foote, received nearly a hundred marriage proposals. He accepted none, however. He died shortly thereafter.
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Post by: smokin99 on July 14, 2016, 01:26:37 AM
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Fame and Fortune Dep't

48 hours past Part II, and here are the stats:

1. 17,000 Readers at the Mountain News, up from a daily average of 150.
2. 15 copies of DB Cooper sold, with 2 being sold 7.1-7.10
3. 0 marriage proposals, with 0 per annum being the average.

Note: I mention this last piece because during the PBS Ken Burns documentary on the Civil War noted historian, Shelby Foote, received nearly a hundred marriage proposals. He accepted none, however. He died shortly thereafter.

Mr. Foote, My favorite civil war author. I can see that - he seemed to be quite a character . I loved to hear him talk .
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 14, 2016, 01:46:05 AM
I think t's time I take a break.... >:(
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 14, 2016, 04:28:11 AM
Pix of the Amboy chute. It might be from Bobby, via the DZ.

The "road grading" scenario is the one I heard. Barflies at Nick's in Amboy said that was bs. It had been out in the dirt for a while, and one day "the guy" just decided to dig it out with a backhoe. Not sure when the FBI got called.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 14, 2016, 04:50:08 AM
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Fame and Fortune Dep't

48 hours past Part II, and here are the stats:

1. 17,000 Readers at the Mountain News, up from a daily average of 150.
2. 15 copies of DB Cooper sold, with 2 being sold 7.1-7.10
3. 0 marriage proposals, with 0 per annum being the average.

Note: I mention this last piece because during the PBS Ken Burns documentary on the Civil War noted historian, Shelby Foote, received nearly a hundred marriage proposals. He accepted none, however. He died shortly thereafter.

Mr. Foote, My favorite civil war author. I can see that - he seemed to be quite a character . I loved to hear him talk .

Mr.  Foote?

I loved him, too, especially his gasp of history and ability to tell me what it was like to be a Southerner, now. I saw the world in an expanded way.
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Post by: georger on July 14, 2016, 04:53:50 AM
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Pix of the Amboy chute. It might be from Bobby, via the DZ.

The "road grading" scenario is the one I heard. Barflies at Nick's in Amboy said that was bs. It had been out in the dirt for a while, and one day "the guy" just decided to dig it out with a backhoe. Not sure when the FBI got called.

In the very first published photos of this affair the guy was on his tractor, the kids were off to the side, you could see where he had been widening and grading the road into a field, and there was a 'white thing' (the chute) with the edges sticking out of the dirt. Surely Im not the only person on Earth that saw those photos in the first articles that were taken down, am I ?? Of course not. This was all posted and explained at Dropzone before Blevins made such a big deal about it.  Then I went back to grab the photos and the articles had been taken down .. I think in order to protect the identity of the guy on the tractor and the location of the find.

Why is everyone to testy over this?  It is was it was and is. There's no deep mystery about any of this. I went back tonight to find those original articles and only a couple are still up but no photos at all. More than that I dont know what to say.

These original articles were there for the whole world to see!  The original article said he snagged the chute with the edge of his blade after he took a pass to widen the road... and that is exactly what the photos showed.

edit >>> I dont even remember when the chute was found to go back and search at DZ. There are "42" pages of posts about the Amboy chute at DZ if someone wants to search them? Maybe somewhere in the beginning I posted links to the original articles ... but Im not going back to search if I did post links so be my guest!

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: sailshaw on July 14, 2016, 10:37:33 AM
Georger:  The Amboy chute had nothing to do with the DB Cooper case and Earl Cossey could tell in two seconds that it was not ripstop material that was used in the DB Chutes.

Bob Sailshaw
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Post by: Olemisscub on July 14, 2016, 11:27:32 AM
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He accepted none, however. He died shortly thereafter.

Shelby was my Great Uncle through marriage. No lie. He actually died about 15 years after he did Burns' Civil War. He wasn't nearly as much of a curmudgeon as he came off in interviews. He was really an American treasure and I'm so fortunate to have known him.

His favorite story to tell, and I think he tells it in that documentary, was when he called Nathan Bedford Forrest's granddaughter back in the 60's. He had been writing his Civil War series and he had come to the conclusion that the war produced two undeniable geniuses: Forrest and Abe Lincoln. When he called her and told her that, there was a silence on the other end for a few moments, and when Shelby asked what was wrong, Forrest's granddaughter said "well you know, Mr. Foote, we never were too fond of Mr. Lincoln in our family." Even 100 years after the fact, she was still perturbed at the thought of someone comparing her grandfather to Abraham Lincoln.

As Shelby was known to say: "Southerners are very strange about that war."

And man was he ever right about that. I suppose it's because southerners are the only group of Americans who have known defeat. The effects of that war are still present down here in every day life. Even 150 years later, you can still see war damage such as burned down plantations that were never cleaned up, graveyards full of soldiers graves, battlefields, etc.  Although this isn't as true anymore, but it was often said that the South was 20 years behind the rest of the country. Well ya, having all the major cities, roads, and bridges destroyed across 11 states will certainly set a region back!
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Post by: MarkBennett on July 14, 2016, 12:17:05 PM
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Fame and Fortune Dep't

48 hours past Part II, and here are the stats:

1. 17,000 Readers at the Mountain News, up from a daily average of 150.
2. 15 copies of DB Cooper sold, with 2 being sold 7.1-7.10
3. 0 marriage proposals, with 0 per annum being the average.

Note: I mention this last piece because during the PBS Ken Burns documentary on the Civil War noted historian, Shelby Foote, received nearly a hundred marriage proposals. He accepted none, however. He died shortly thereafter.

You're not kidding.  I was looking at "Ha Ha Ha" books on Amazon.com.  Vicki and I had bought a few at the Ariel Store and were selling them on Amazon.  We always made sure ours were the lowest priced and had Amazon hold the inventory so they qualified for free shipping and we'd sell three or so a year.  Others had them outrageously priced -- some over $100 and occasionally over $200 -- today they are ALL gone.  Our last one had sold on July 8 -- before the project, so we didn't hit the big windfall.

One interesting note I shared with Shutter.  One of the books was sold to someone in Morris, MN.  The buyer's name?  Lyle Christiansen.  So, I'd call him a DB Cooper buff.
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Post by: 377 on July 14, 2016, 12:21:30 PM
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Georger:  The Amboy chute had nothing to do with the DB Cooper case and Earl Cossey could tell in two seconds that it was not ripstop material that was used in the DB Chutes.

Bob Sailshaw
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Cossey gave out so much incorrect info (perhaps deliberately?) that I don't trust anything he said about DBC's gear... BUT, you can see in the FBI photos that the Amboy canopy is twill, not ripstop. To me that rules it out as a part of bailout rig packed in the 1970s. DEFINITELY not a C9 canopy.

Still, TK has a good point about wanting to see what if anything is attached to the still buried ends of the suspension lines.

377



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Post by: 377 on July 14, 2016, 12:31:47 PM
Radios abound in and around the Cooper Vortex.

Bruce is depicted in his History Channel interview sitting right next to an RDF, a Radio Direction Finder. Note the circular loop DF antenna. I am familiar with this type of RDF and it could have been used to locate the kind of rendezvous beacons used by MAC SOG jumpers in Vietnam.  ;)

See attached photos.

377
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Post by: Robert99 on July 14, 2016, 12:40:45 PM
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Radios abound in and around the Cooper Vortex.

Bruce is depicted in his History Channel interview sitting right next to an RDF, a Radio Direction Finder. Note the circular loop DF antenna. I am familiar with this type of RDF and it could have been used to locate the kind of rendezvous beacons used by MAC SOG jumpers in Vietnam.  ;)

See attached photos.

377

I just KNOW you are not suggesting that Cooper had one of those sets with him. :))  But even if he did, that still would not be as bad as Jo's claim that Duane was wearing direction finding underwear. :)
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Post by: 377 on July 14, 2016, 12:45:24 PM
The RDF would be with an accomplice on the ground, the jumper would have a MUCH smaller beacon transmitter.

Nobody can equal Duane's remarkable radio inventions. The VOR triggered vibrating corset was pure genius.

377
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Post by: georger on July 14, 2016, 12:48:11 PM
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Georger:  The Amboy chute had nothing to do with the DB Cooper case and Earl Cossey could tell in two seconds that it was not ripstop material that was used in the DB Chutes.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com

Cossey gave out so much incorrect info (perhaps deliberately?) that I don't trust anything he said about DBC's gear... BUT, you can see in the FBI photos that the Amboy canopy is twill, not ripstop. To me that rules it out as a part of bailout rig packed in the 1970s. DEFINITELY not a C9 canopy.

Still, TK has a good point about wanting to see what if anything is attached to the still buried ends of the suspension lines.

377

still buried ends of the suspension lines. ??  How do you (or Kaye) know the chute and lines are still buried?   :))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 14, 2016, 12:48:57 PM
Bruce wrote: 48 hours past Part II, and here are the stats:

1. 17,000 Readers at the Mountain News, up from a daily average of 150.
2. 15 copies of DB Cooper sold, with 2 being sold 7.1-7.10
3. 0 marriage proposals, with 0 per annum being the average.


The suspects and inmates get the proposals and propositions, not the reporters. Not suggesting that you "crime" your way into romance however.

377
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Post by: 377 on July 14, 2016, 12:51:06 PM
G wrote: How do you (or Kaye) know the chute and lines are still buried? 

The canopy isn't buried. It was cut from the still buried suspension lines. Perhaps they too have been dug up and examined but I've seen nothing to indicate that they were.

377
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Post by: georger on July 14, 2016, 01:01:42 PM
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G wrote: How do you (or Kaye) know the chute and lines are still buried? 

The canopy isn't buried. It was cut from the still buried suspension lines. Perhaps they too have been dug up and examined but I've seen nothing to indicate that they were.

377

Then what is the FBI showing in its photos of the chute? Are the lines all there? 1 2 3 4 5 6 ....

You and Kaye seem to know a lot about this and the current status of the chute, its location, etc. Care to share any of that with the rest of us?

Did Kaye and Gray get to examine the chute at FBI HQ in Seattle? Has Kaye been to the site of the find ... with Larry? Exactly when was this chute found? The first report of it I can find at DZ was in 2009 but its pretty clear from your post that the chute had been found earlier - maybe years earlier?

The first articles that appeared about this back in 2009-10 were flanked by photos showing the guy on his grader with the kinds below to the side of the widened road (into a field) and the kids were holding up an exposed piece of the chute still buried. The photos were staged for the press. There are 42 pages of posts about the chute at DZ. I went back to several of the earliest posts that had links to articles (PI Intelligencer etc) and all of the links are bad now - the pages and photos taken down. Can you shed any light on all of this?
   
Here's one of those old links to a map of the area where the chute was found - https://www.google.com/maps/@45.939482,-122.530346,2094m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Here;s another still active from 2008: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Suspected-D-B-Cooper-parachute-may-actually-be-1268879.php

Heres another one from 2008: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/03/26/children-find-parachute-possibly-belonging-to-famed-hijacker-db-cooper.html

so when exactly was this chute found - Im sure you and Kaye know - because you were one of the first to post about it years ago ...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 14, 2016, 02:02:17 PM
I'll defer to TK on the find details as I don't have them recorded. The canopy shown in FBI photos has suspension lines cut, the remaining lines attached to the canopy are not full length.

I dont think its the canopy DBC jumped, but it is a real curiosity and I'd like to know more about it. It's POSSIBLE that Cossey packed a dangerously outdated twill canopy and worried about losing his riggers license if that were revealed. But since C9 ripstop canopies were dirt cheap in that era why would he do such a reckless thing?

377
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 14, 2016, 02:18:07 PM
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I'll defer to TK on the find details as I don't have them recorded. The canopy shown in FBI photos has suspension lines cut, the remaining lines attached to the canopy are not full length.

I dont think its the canopy DBC jumped, but it is a real curiosity and I'd like to know more about it. It's POSSIBLE that Cossey packed a dangerously outdated twill canopy and worried about losing his riggers license if that were revealed. But since C9 canopies were dirt cheap in that era why would he do such a reckless thing?

377

Because sometimes people do reckless things.

That's an interesting possibility. Unlikely, I'd say, but interesting to consider.
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Post by: 377 on July 14, 2016, 02:27:42 PM
I've wondered why Cossey incorrectly (IMO) characterized the Amboy chute as silk. If he packed a dangerous nylon twill canopy it would be in his interest to dismiss the Amboy chute as silk. NOBODY was packing silk canopies in emergency rigs in the 70s.

377
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Post by: georger on July 14, 2016, 03:24:09 PM
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I've wondered why Cossey incorrectly (IMO) characterized the Amboy chute as silk. If he packed a dangerous nylon twill canopy it would be in his interest to dismiss the Amboy chute as silk. NOBODY was packing silk canopies in emergency rigs in the 70s.

377

well, here we go again. Claims of deception on deception on deception, without end. And TK now suddenly the sole authority! Possibly TK still communicates with the FBI and TK is the new "authority", replacing the FBI?.

Maybe the Amboy chute belonged to Columbus or Lewis and Clark ? And spectators can cease to care!  O0 :))

I hope you know, nobody can resolve Cossey's mind or what he may have done for whatever psychology. Now that we travel down that road the final experts become: Jo Weber and Robert M Blevins. I think I will go make some jello and look for Jesus in the jello!

 
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Post by: 377 on July 14, 2016, 04:00:41 PM
G wrote: I think I will go make some jello and look for Jesus in the jello!

Why give TK such a hard time Georger? I think he and Al really accomplished something in finding physical evidence on the tie that the FBI had overlooked.

I am working on a XY scanning laser etcher that can burn the DB Cooper sketch image onto toast. Haven't yet figured out how to burn images in jello.  Might have to use XYZ scanning and intersecting beams.

Cossey just wasn't a trustworthy expert. He liked pulling pranks and confusing people. He didn't mind stretching the truth to further that goal. 

What if Cossey packed an illegal non FAA TSO'd emergency canopy for Norman and it killed Cooper? Manslaughter?

377


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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 14, 2016, 05:25:04 PM
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He accepted none, however. He died shortly thereafter.

Shelby was my Great Uncle through marriage. No lie. He actually died about 15 years after he did Burns' Civil War. He wasn't nearly as much of a curmudgeon as he came off in interviews. He was really an American treasure and I'm so fortunate to have known him.

His favorite story to tell, and I think he tells it in that documentary, was when he called Nathan Bedford Forrest's granddaughter back in the 60's. He had been writing his Civil War series and he had come to the conclusion that the war produced two undeniable geniuses: Forrest and Abe Lincoln. When he called her and told her that, there was a silence on the other end for a few moments, and when Shelby asked what was wrong, Forrest's granddaughter said "well you know, Mr. Foote, we never were too fond of Mr. Lincoln in our family." Even 100 years after the fact, she was still perturbed at the thought of someone comparing her grandfather to Abraham Lincoln.

As Shelby was known to say: "Southerners are very strange about that war."

And man was he ever right about that. I suppose it's because southerners are the only group of Americans who have known defeat. The effects of that war are still present down here in every day life. Even 150 years later, you can still see war damage such as burned down plantations that were never cleaned up, graveyards full of soldiers graves, battlefields, etc.  Although this isn't as true anymore, but it was often said that the South was 20 years behind the rest of the country. Well ya, having all the major cities, roads, and bridges destroyed across 11 states will certainly set a region back!

I remember Shelby relaying that exact same story about Nathan Forrest's granddaughter! Yup, he was a treasure. I had forgotten exactly when he died - 15 years after the broadcast, eh?

Yes, I think it is important to understand why Dixie is different than much of the rest of the country - economically and otherwise. Shelby helped me understand some of the dynamics at play. Nevertheless, I was still shocked when I moved to Nashville, walked into a Kroger's to do some grocery shopping, and saw a rednecky, good ole boy wearing a ripped T-shirt that read: "Proud Descendent of a Confederate Veteran." Of course, the question of whether the veteran would be proud of his descendant was unanswered...

I also remember being gently informed on multiple occasions that I was misidentifying the war. Rather than calling it the Civil War, I was told that locally folks referred to it as the War of Northern Aggression. Bless their hearts, as I was also taught to say during my sojourn in Dixie, which is much nicer than saying, "Kiss my ass,"...
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 14, 2016, 05:31:09 PM
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Radios abound in and around the Cooper Vortex.

Bruce is depicted in his History Channel interview sitting right next to an RDF, a Radio Direction Finder. Note the circular loop DF antenna. I am familiar with this type of RDF and it could have been used to locate the kind of rendezvous beacons used by MAC SOG jumpers in Vietnam.  ;)

See attached photos.

377

I'm glad that sitting next to all that junk served some purpose!
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Post by: 377 on July 14, 2016, 05:38:16 PM
Where was it shot Bruce?

377
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Post by: georger on July 14, 2016, 05:56:16 PM
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Where was it shot Bruce?

377

I noticed the radio equipmt too - I chuckled. Now we know the real Bruce! Mountain Man out. 10-4?  :)) :))   
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 14, 2016, 06:37:13 PM
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Where was it shot Bruce?

377

None of that stuff is mine. It belongs to a Delta pilot named Cliff Kluge, who is a big friend of Ron and Pat Forman, and has a hangar directly across the tarmac from them. LMNO was shooting R&P in the morning at their hangar, and then they pivoted and filmed me in Cliff's.

All of this was at Thun Field. I was there, instead of being filmed at my place, because LMNO told me at the last minute that they wanted an FBI guy to interview me. That freaked me out, and said No Way, Jose, not at my home. So, we switched to the Forman location, which is about 20 miles north. It worked out for bathrooms, coffee breaks, lunch, too. I didn't want a bunch of Hollywood types and an FBI guy running around in the bushes looking for a place to pee...
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 14, 2016, 06:38:41 PM
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Bruce, I want to second 377 and agree that you did a fine job in the documentary.

Thanks, A-1812.
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Post by: 377 on July 14, 2016, 06:52:16 PM
I loved Sheridan's interview. Sure, a lot of tough questions weren't asked, but it was such a fun thing to watch. Sheridan looked GREAT. He sounded sharp. He clearly loved the spotlight and played the cagey Cooper suspect angle PERFECTLY. He's up for a Norjack OSCAR.

He did have a valid point about shoes. No seasoned jumper would pick loafers for the Norjack jump. Might DBC have hidden a pair of appropriate footwear in the bomb briefcase? Remember the single loafer allegedly found by the Army searchers in the suspected LZ area?

He acknowledged running into smoke jumpers in Vietnam who were working for Air America. I'll BET he heard rumors about the 727 jumps over Thailand.

He must be close to 90. He's likely reading all this. Looking good Sheridan!

377



Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Tom Kaye on July 14, 2016, 07:38:10 PM
AMBOY CHUTE

So here is our story on the chute. We ignored it like everyone else when we were examining the evidence in Seattle. It was never shown to us and we have no idea if it is even in the FBI archive. When DZ started discussing the fact it was more likely nylon than silk it all made sense. I talked to Larry and he explained that "kids" dug it up in a junky area but could not dig it all up so they cut the lines going into the ground. We tried to convince Eng to let us do a burn test on a few threads but he declined. They also couldn't reveal the family that found it.

Of COURSE it is not one of the main chutes. That would make no sense at all. BUT what people fail to think about is that we have absolutely no idea what was in the still missing, sewn closed, reserve. Might someone stuff a worthless parachute into a "for training only" container? Admittedly it's a long shot but to me it is a pretty big loose end that would be worth a follow up. If 377 would know if it would fit into a reserve container then that could sway it one way or another.

We chase facts, not people. This is an open question with a reasonable line of reasoning to make it intriguing.  If someone can come up with the name of the family I will fly to OR and we can do a professional excavation of the area. If the million to one odds did come through and there is a container with stitched letters on it, it would ROCK the FBI and the Cooper world.

I await your sage comments on this situation.

Tom Kaye
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 14, 2016, 07:45:24 PM
Some thoughts on Petey.

He stopped working at Boeing, when? 1965? Petey was incarcerated in Mississippi in the summer of '65, or '64 I believe. That means he wasn't at Boeing from that point forward.

So, the titanium got on his tie before then, and he kept the tie during his travels back to WA from Mississippi, then off to Clark AB in the Philippines, then over Saigon and Vietnam, then finally to the mud hut in Nepal.

Or he kept the tie in storage in WA from 1965-ish until 1971-ish. Came back from Nepal, dressed, and then jumped.

And now he's voting for Bernie. All the while he's bs-ing us about his travels in Asia, dodging folks in Iran, teaching English and comp in Japan; lying about knowing Cossey and living with Sailshaw.

But, he never dry-cleaned his tie, or bought a new one? Who saves clip-on ties for five-plus years? Wouldn't his Philippiana wife do that, at least? I'm a little hazy on what wives do and don't do...
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 14, 2016, 07:48:30 PM
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AMBOY CHUTE

So here is our story on the chute. We ignored it like everyone else when we were examining the evidence in Seattle. It was never shown to us and we have no idea if it is even in the FBI archive. When DZ started discussing the fact it was more likely nylon than silk it all made sense. I talked to Larry and he explained that "kids" dug it up in a junky area but could not dig it all up so they cut the lines going into the ground. We tried to convince Eng to let us do a burn test on a few threads but he declined. They also couldn't reveal the family that found it.

Of COURSE it is not one of the main chutes. That would make no sense at all. BUT what people fail to think about is that we have absolutely no idea what was in the still missing, sewn closed, reserve. Might someone stuff a worthless parachute into a "for training only" container? Admittedly it's a long shot but to me it is a pretty big loose end that would be worth a follow up. If 377 would know if it would fit into a reserve container then that could sway it one way or another.

We chase facts, not people. This is an open question with a reasonable line of reasoning to make it intriguing.  If someone can come up with the name of the family I will fly to OR and we can do a professional excavation of the area. If the million to one odds did come through and there is a container with stitched letters on it, it would ROCK the FBI and the Cooper world.

I await your sage comments on this situation.

Tom Kaye

I'd love to join ya. I've already tromped across a few yards. And I know who has already lied to me.

What's with the "stitched letters," though?

BTW: are you looking for a Pioneer/Steinthaul or NB-8/NB-6 with a C-9? Just askin'.
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Post by: Tom Kaye on July 14, 2016, 07:56:13 PM
It is my understanding that the words "for training use only" or something similar are STITCHED into the container. So it should be proof positive that it is Cooper's reserve (or not).

We are looking for the reserve container that left with Cooper, not the main. Like I said, there is no way that junk chute would be the main.

Tom Kaye
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Post by: andrade1812 on July 14, 2016, 08:38:49 PM
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Some thoughts on Petey.

He stopped working at Boeing, when? 1965? Petey was incarcerated in Mississippi in the summer of '65, or '64 I believe. That means he wasn't at Boeing from that point forward.

So, the titanium got on his tie before then, and he kept the tie during his travels back to WA from Mississippi, then off to Clark AB in the Philippines, then over Saigon and Vietnam, then finally to the mud hut in Nepal.

Or he kept the tie in storage in WA from 1965-ish until 1971-ish. Came back from Nepal, dressed, and then jumped.

And now he's voting for Bernie. All the while he's bs-ing us about his travels in Asia, dodging folks in Iran, teaching English and comp in Japan; lying about knowing Cossey and living with Sailshaw.

But, he never dry-cleaned his tie, or bought a new one? Who saves clip-on ties for five-plus years? Wouldn't his Philippiana wife do that, at least? I'm a little hazy on what wives do and don't do...

1965? Then that leaves a really narrow window, since the tie wasn't even available with that logo until 1964 (according to a Farflung post on DZ). There are a lot of particles on that tie, so Sheridan would have had to wear it all the time, even when he had no professional reason to.

Also, was Sheridan a heavy smoker?
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Post by: andrade1812 on July 14, 2016, 08:43:29 PM
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It is my understanding that the words "for training use only" or something similar are STITCHED into the container. So it should be proof positive that it is Cooper's reserve (or not).

We are looking for the reserve container that left with Cooper, not the main. Like I said, there is no way that junk chute would be the main.

Tom Kaye

Why would Cooper open up that container on the ground? If he tried it in the air... well... splat.
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Post by: Shutter on July 14, 2016, 09:01:39 PM
The container was marked with an X, jumpers knew what this meant. the panels were sewn chute, so gathering up the chute for repacking was made easy. many claim the chute would have been easily spotted by someone in the profession. it would of felt different, and of course the X on the container.

The Amboy chute does not appear to have been sewn shut...

Carr's statement on the latest Video...


1) On a hillside with a lot of trash..
2) It wasn't buried in a hole as if someone was trying to hide it...
3) Cossey instantly said this isn't it, it's not even the right material.
4) Pretty sure it wasn't in the ground 30, or 40 years.
5) It just simply isn't part of the case.

Carr, March 29, 2008

The agent who originally interviewed Cossey mistakenly reported it was sewn shut. it was not sewn shut, the canopy was cut in half and the panels then sewn together. This was done so that when students practiced deploying the emergency canopy they could easily gather it and quickly stuff it back in the container for another practice throw.
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Post by: Shutter on July 14, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
The Amboy chute doesn't seem to have the usual stamp markings typical of a jumpers chute, it does have marks that appear to have been stamped on cargo chutes as Cossey explained the Amboy chute being...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 14, 2016, 09:59:50 PM
Now, are we really accusing a well known, and respected parachute rigger of wrong doings with switching chutes in canopies? I thought these were the guys you trusted with your life?

Hayden's chute was packed by Cossey. this is probably why he stated they were his chutes. how many people claim things while working that are not really there's? the police, "what are you doing in my town" Store manager " stock my shelves" etc. etc.

I think the Amboy chute has destroyed enough of the Cooper case. I was hoping the video would help, but it appears to only add fuel to the conspiracies?

It's also my understanding that there is a difference between a dummy chute, and a practice chute. dummy chutes usually contain rubber foam, while practice chutes have some what of a functional canopy in them. this was explained to me by Matthew Cline on the DZ some years back. I believe he is a well respected jumper by all?

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Post by: Olemisscub on July 14, 2016, 11:04:31 PM
One of you skydiving guys can answer this for me. What's the purpose of a chute that is sewn shut? Seems like that'd be sorta dangerous to have laying around. Would be like having a bottle of water in my fridge that I knew had poison in it.
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Post by: georger on July 14, 2016, 11:55:58 PM
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AMBOY CHUTE

So here is our story on the chute. We ignored it like everyone else when we were examining the evidence in Seattle. It was never shown to us and we have no idea if it is even in the FBI archive. When DZ started discussing the fact it was more likely nylon than silk it all made sense. I talked to Larry and he explained that "kids" dug it up in a junky area but could not dig it all up so they cut the lines going into the ground. We tried to convince Eng to let us do a burn test on a few threads but he declined. They also couldn't reveal the family that found it.

Of COURSE it is not one of the main chutes. That would make no sense at all. BUT what people fail to think about is that we have absolutely no idea what was in the still missing, sewn closed, reserve. Might someone stuff a worthless parachute into a "for training only" container? Admittedly it's a long shot but to me it is a pretty big loose end that would be worth a follow up. If 377 would know if it would fit into a reserve container then that could sway it one way or another.

We chase facts, not people. This is an open question with a reasonable line of reasoning to make it intriguing.  If someone can come up with the name of the family I will fly to OR and we can do a professional excavation of the area. If the million to one odds did come through and there is a container with stitched letters on it, it would ROCK the FBI and the Cooper world.

I await your sage comments on this situation.

Tom Kaye

Have to ask: do you have ANY photos of the find site ? from any source... original newspaper photos or something else ... anything provided by Larry?
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Post by: Tom Kaye on July 15, 2016, 12:13:07 AM

No other info, pics etc. 

I did review the transcripts and it says that Cossey described the training reserve as "dummied up" and that "tie downs were attached to the container", and "folds of the  parachute are sewn together" so it would not deploy in training. If Cossey for once said something accurate (for the new guys here he has not been very reliable) then the Amboy Chute could be rulled out on that basis. Still it is a parachute in the drop zone so I would still go spend my money to go dig it up.

FYI Cossey also predicted the oscillations in the plane when he jumped.

Tom Kaye
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Post by: Shutter on July 15, 2016, 12:39:21 AM
One week after the hijacking (12/1/1971) the Issaquah press stated the following...

Linn Emrick of Seattle Sky Soprts Inc. an Issaquah board parachute training center, supplied the Northwest airlines jetliner with two of the four parachutes.......

Emrick's recalled the Washington Aeronautic Commission had called him last Wednesday afternoon requesting “four parachutes for two hijackers in Seattle” then learned that a Renton firm supplied the two back chutes, and only chest pack chutes would be needed.....


Emrick gave them training parachutes (plural). UNKNOWN to him was the fact that one chute was for ground training only and was non-functional.....

The one functional chute was open, when the plane landed in Reno, related Emrick. “he was apparently testing it” However, the ground-training parachute, that was used for harness practice only, as it as was  sewn together was gone....

End quotes...



So, the back chutes didn't come from Cossey, but were packed by him. The missing front pack had the panels sewn shut, which should prove the Amboy chute was not the front chute. Leaving the Amboy chute as just another of many thousands found around this country. Tom Kaye thinks it couldn't be the back chute, so?

We know the front chute couldn't be attached as usual, since the D rings were missing. As Andrade pointed out. Why would the chute be opened in the first place. The FBI, and others would of known right away if it was the training chute...the press photo's and video's didn't show any signs of a  cut, and sewn chute. Added: didn't show signs of a "cut in half chute with the panels sewn together"

Was Hayden part of “The Renton Firm” ?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: smokin99 on July 15, 2016, 12:50:21 AM
http://ensign.ftlcomm.com/ensign2/mcintyre/pickofday/2008/003march/march28/cooper.html

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Post by: smokin99 on July 15, 2016, 12:51:58 AM
pics
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 15, 2016, 04:46:13 AM
Seems like we've entered into a era of "Spin the Bottle" regarding evidence in Norjak. When it's your turn, you can spin the old evidence into something that you'd like to kiss!

Old chute buried in the dirt with the shroud lines descending into the unknown? Spin it into a garbage pile!

Old witnesses told investigators that they "don't remember?" Spin the bottle and get a whole new witness statement!

Want to close the case and get rid of pesky questions? Have your retirees spin 93 pieces of evidence and slip out the back, Jack!

Can I play?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 15, 2016, 08:41:45 AM
Tom, you stated that it couldn't be the main chute, correct?

Are you changing the possibility that the reserve was not tampered with in anyway making it basically a functioning chute?

If the chute was found open, do you believe Cooper used the reserve chute for some reason?

Is it possible the chute was buried while attempting to cover most of the garbage dumped by the previous owners?

I think if the location is found it would be best to try and contact the previous owners first?

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Post by: Shutter on July 15, 2016, 09:04:42 AM
The link Georger posted a couple pages back reveals property that does in fact have roads made "in his backyard" it's in the area where the map link takes you...these are not public roads.  however, it appears to be further east of the area Carr points to on the FBI map...points A & B.


Here's one of those old links to a map of the area where the chute was found - https://www.google.com/maps/@45.939482,-122.530346,2094m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
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Post by: shills26 on July 15, 2016, 09:20:45 AM
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Oh "Airborne Bob" aka Bob Rackstraw just commented on his own story over at heavy.com[img]
http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/robert-rackstraw-db-cooper-case-closed-documentary-culprit-who-is/

Very interesting and curious comment ... thanks for sharing
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Post by: Shutter on July 15, 2016, 09:44:03 AM
1. He Had an Illustrious Military Career

So did thousands of others..

2. He Was Identified as a Suspect in 1979

And dismissed I believe?


3. He Was Released From the Army in 1971

That could be a good point...

4. He Attended Jump School

The FBI now believes that Cooper didn't have experience, but is debatable....


5. His Photograph Closely Resembles the FBI’s Composite Sketch

The sketch is just that, a sketch, and not a photograph. One should focus more on the description over the sketch..
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Post by: sailshaw on July 15, 2016, 10:23:12 AM
377   You say: "He did have a valid point about shoes. No seasoned jumper would pick loafers for the Norjack jump. Might DBC have hidden a pair of appropriate footwear in the bomb briefcase? Remember the single loafer allegedly found by the Army searchers in the suspected LZ area? "

I say:  "Don't forget that Peterson did a demo jump before Norjak with a 50 lb sack between his legs and dressed just like DB Cooper including loafers"

He even wore the same cloths and loafers for the Boeing News advertisement (see attached).

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com
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Post by: nmiwrecks on July 15, 2016, 10:26:07 AM
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I say:  "Don't forget that Peterson did a demo jump before Norjak with a 50 lb sack between his legs and dressed just like DB Cooper including loafers"

He even wore the same cloths and loafers for the Boeing News advertisement (see attached).

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com

Hi Bob,
Those aren't loafers.  Loafers don't have shoe strings, therefore you can't "tighten" them.    O0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 15, 2016, 06:39:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cJXyXAYq-w
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 15, 2016, 07:00:45 PM
I love these out-takes!
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Post by: Shutter on July 15, 2016, 07:01:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0CjoiSi_r0
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 15, 2016, 07:59:55 PM
Ayn Dietrich-Williams speaks on the timing of the FBI's closing of Norjak

I thought you folks might be interested in the latest exchange of emails that I've had with Ayn:

Ayn, 7. 15. 16:

"I'm smiling after reading your email because of the last line! (Curtis Eng as GHOST). It was definitely a big deal to have Curtis agree to an interview. I can't speak for Tina, but I know that the FBI has declined EACH recent interview request in the past few years because we don't have time to do ALL of them. Given that our personnel are fully occupied in the FBI’s investigative efforts, we can only justify focusing resources on media or public inquiries when we believe doing so will help further the FBI’s mission. That was the case with the History Channel documentary. First of all, in closing the case, we wanted to ensure the FBI’s perspective on the investigation is available to the public. Second of all, the FBI agreed to participate with the History Channel, in particular, because its longer-than-average feature covered a variety of experiences, views, and theories related to the 1971 hijacking. The FBI felt this approach might provide context for our decision to reallocate resources. Lastly, that comprehensive approach made us feel we could do "one and done" so we can all move on to higher priority matters.

"Hope this additional insight explains Curtis' special appearance!"

Regards,
Ayn


Ayn,
Follow-up, 7. 15. 16

"Oh, no the timing was mostly fortunate. History Channel asked us in the summer of 2015 and we declined. But then in January, we received the results of FBI Laboratory testing of items related to a person considered a possible match to the hijacker. The results came back and did not resolve this case. Those items were related to the only new individual to come to our attention in the last five or so years. There are no additional leads to pursue, neither for that individual nor any others. For each of the other individuals we've considered, investigative results have either not supported continued consideration of them as a match to the 1971 hijacker or not resolved the case. Starting in February, the FBI began the process of transferring evidence and files to FBIHQ for archiving. So we agreed to the documentary knowing that, when the necessary steps were complete, the FBI would administratively close the case file."

Ayn

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith [mailto:brucesmith@rainierconnect.com]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 4:18 PM
To: Dietrich, Ayn S. (SE) (FBI)
Subject: Re: Overview of the HC docu

"Thanks, Ayn.

"You've also answered another burning question of mine in explaining why the FBI chose this time, and used the History channel so prominently, to close the case, "administratively."

"I just saw an "out-take" from the HC docu on YouTube, where Curtis says he was six-years old when the skyjacking occurred. Fascinating.

Bruce



-----Original Message-----
From: Dietrich, Ayn S. (SE) (FBI)
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 5:44 PM
To: 'Bruce Smith'
Subject: RE: Overview of the HC docu

"Hi, Bruce-—I just want you to know I saw this email but have not yet had a chance to read it thoroughly and respond. As you can imagine, I’m juggling a lot of communication right now. I’m looking forward to getting back to you. Ayn"

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith [mailto:brucesmith@rainierconnect.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:02 PM
Subject: Overview of the HC docu

"I just saw the HC Cooper documentary in full. Here are some of my thoughts:

*****
"I just saw the docu on a bootleg copy from some unknown streaming service. Apparently, there is a burgeoning industry in Cooper Country in burning bootlegs of this show. Sigh. I'm assuaging my guilt by telling myself it's a partial payment from HC for the 40 email addresses and phone numbers I gave them a year ago... it's icing on the chocolate cake, so to speak.

"I thought the History Channel docu was superb. I absolutely loved it. I thought Jensen's and Fuentes' handling of Colbert and Forbes, and the presentation on Rackstraw was spot on. Honest, substantive, inquisitive
- all the qualities one could ask for in a docu. I thought Forbes' rebuff of Rackstraw was noble and courageous. To disappoint a partner and rejecting his suspect on camera requires a high degree of impeccability. Forbes is a stand-up guy in my eyes. Colbert seemed to take the news fairly well. I suppose we'll see more in Colbert's national press conference tomorrow. I'm concerned that he might want to throw Tina under the bus. I hope he refrains.

"As for Tina, I loved seeing her tell her tale, and the strength, grace, and ease with which she did so. Bill Rataczak's emotions made me weep as well. That's the guy I talked with on the phone for 70 minutes in 2009.
Sad to hear they won't be talking any more about the case.

"I do wonder what was going on with Tina back in the convent that I and other wrote about. What was the 30 years of silence all about? Why were 11 doors slammed in my face? I suppose I have a lot to learn from LMNO/HC on how they got an interview with Bill and Tina - with such length and depth - when I never got past "Hello, my name is..."

"For the record, the Tina I saw in the HC docu pretty much looks like the Tina I met in 2011. Yeah, a few more pounds, but that was Tina.

"Congrats to all involved.

"Thanks to all who put it together, Ted, Allison, Billy J, Tom F., Jim F, and Tom C.

"Great to see old compadres: Tom Kaye, GG (for a second!), Ron and Pat (I thought they did a good job on Barb), 377 (aka Mark Metzler), Marla

"Wonderful to see faces that go with a voice: Bill Rataczak, Bill Mitchell, Ayn Dietrich-Williams, Larry Carr, Sheridan Peterson, Nick O'Hara, Brian Ingram, John Detlor

"Seeing GHOSTS: Curtis Eng

"Bruce"
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 15, 2016, 08:03:53 PM
Anybody have any ideas on whom this special suspect is that received such scrutiny from the FBI over the past few years, ala, Ayn's comments:

"...in January, we received the results of FBI Laboratory testing of items related to a person considered a possible match to the hijacker. The results came back and did not resolve this case. Those items were related to the only new individual to come to our attention in the last five or so years. There are no additional leads to pursue, neither for that individual nor any others...."
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Tom Kaye on July 15, 2016, 08:04:40 PM
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Tom, you stated that it couldn't be the main chute, correct?
TK: Yes we have always thought the only possibility was that it was the missing training reserve.

Are you changing the possibility that the reserve was not tampered with in anyway making it basically a functioning chute?
TK: No idea what was done to the chute. If the stitching was just a couple of loops to hold it together as a lump in the container, then it might have come back apart easily. OR.... it is not the chute.

If the chute was found open, do you believe Cooper used the reserve chute for some reason?
TK: No idea if he opened it or someone found it later etc.  He spent the night in the woods, if it was me I would use the parachutes for cover.

Is it possible the chute was buried while attempting to cover most of the garbage dumped by the previous owners?
TK: No idea, this line of questioning is going much farther than the info we have. The only facts are that we have an old chute in the Amboy drop zone, and part of it is missing. Our ONLY info says that there were lines going into the ground at the time it was found. No more, no less. Considering the total lack of evidence in this case it is worth following up this long shot in my opinion. I give it a 2% chance of being Cooper's chute but I would still go dig it up. Those odds are better than Vegas :)


I think if the location is found it would be best to try and contact the previous owners first?
TK: We would never go on private property without having all the proper permissions first.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 15, 2016, 08:18:10 PM
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I think if the location is found it would be best to try and contact the previous owners first?
TK: We would never go on private property without having all the proper permissions first.

I wasn't implying that...my guess would be if the correct location was found, the homeowners would run you off with no comment. trying to contact the previous owners might yield better results in telling the story, if they have one about the chute they threw away, or discarded...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 15, 2016, 08:21:09 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0CjoiSi_r0

Great to finally see Bernie!
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Post by: Shutter on July 15, 2016, 08:29:37 PM
Been so busy around the house, I haven't finished watching it... O0

Finished watching. this is the second video I've seen where they state Cooper had notes written on a flight plan...Tom, did you find anything to back that statement up, or the fact of Tina seeing him remove the tie?
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Post by: georger on July 15, 2016, 11:40:17 PM
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Tom, you stated that it couldn't be the main chute, correct?
TK: Yes we have always thought the only possibility was that it was the missing training reserve.

Are you changing the possibility that the reserve was not tampered with in anyway making it basically a functioning chute?
TK: No idea what was done to the chute. If the stitching was just a couple of loops to hold it together as a lump in the container, then it might have come back apart easily. OR.... it is not the chute.

If the chute was found open, do you believe Cooper used the reserve chute for some reason?
TK: No idea if he opened it or someone found it later etc.  He spent the night in the woods, if it was me I would use the parachutes for cover.

Is it possible the chute was buried while attempting to cover most of the garbage dumped by the previous owners?
TK: No idea, this line of questioning is going much farther than the info we have. The only facts are that we have an old chute in the Amboy drop zone, and part of it is missing. Our ONLY info says that there were lines going into the ground at the time it was found. No more, no less. Considering the total lack of evidence in this case it is worth following up this long shot in my opinion. I give it a 2% chance of being Cooper's chute but I would still go dig it up. Those odds are better than Vegas :)


I think if the location is found it would be best to try and contact the previous owners first?
TK: We would never go on private property without having all the proper permissions first.

If its a "cargo" chute as Cossey said - then none of the above applies, in any event. ?  :))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 15, 2016, 11:46:14 PM
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Tom, you stated that it couldn't be the main chute, correct?
TK: Yes we have always thought the only possibility was that it was the missing training reserve.

Are you changing the possibility that the reserve was not tampered with in anyway making it basically a functioning chute?
TK: No idea what was done to the chute. If the stitching was just a couple of loops to hold it together as a lump in the container, then it might have come back apart easily. OR.... it is not the chute.

If the chute was found open, do you believe Cooper used the reserve chute for some reason?
TK: No idea if he opened it or someone found it later etc.  He spent the night in the woods, if it was me I would use the parachutes for cover.

Is it possible the chute was buried while attempting to cover most of the garbage dumped by the previous owners?
TK: No idea, this line of questioning is going much farther than the info we have. The only facts are that we have an old chute in the Amboy drop zone, and part of it is missing. Our ONLY info says that there were lines going into the ground at the time it was found. No more, no less. Considering the total lack of evidence in this case it is worth following up this long shot in my opinion. I give it a 2% chance of being Cooper's chute but I would still go dig it up. Those odds are better than Vegas :)


I think if the location is found it would be best to try and contact the previous owners first?
TK: We would never go on private property without having all the proper permissions first.

If its a "cargo" chute as Cossey said - then none of the above applies, in any event. ?  :))


Agreed, but some here are not taking anything Cossey says anymore, so I threw some idea's into the pot..I don't think the chute was anything but an old chute that had nothing to do with the case...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 15, 2016, 11:46:45 PM
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I think if the location is found it would be best to try and contact the previous owners first?
TK: We would never go on private property without having all the proper permissions first.

I wasn't implying that...my guess would be if the correct location was found, the homeowners would run you off with no comment. trying to contact the previous owners might yield better results in telling the story, if they have one about the chute they threw away, or discarded...

A number of people know the location - because they were there! Some of them had a reason to be there. SA Larry Carr for one. Go back to March of 2008. Start the search there.  C:-)

 
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Tom, you stated that it couldn't be the main chute, correct?
TK: Yes we have always thought the only possibility was that it was the missing training reserve.

Are you changing the possibility that the reserve was not tampered with in anyway making it basically a functioning chute?
TK: No idea what was done to the chute. If the stitching was just a couple of loops to hold it together as a lump in the container, then it might have come back apart easily. OR.... it is not the chute.

If the chute was found open, do you believe Cooper used the reserve chute for some reason?
TK: No idea if he opened it or someone found it later etc.  He spent the night in the woods, if it was me I would use the parachutes for cover.

Is it possible the chute was buried while attempting to cover most of the garbage dumped by the previous owners?
TK: No idea, this line of questioning is going much farther than the info we have. The only facts are that we have an old chute in the Amboy drop zone, and part of it is missing. Our ONLY info says that there were lines going into the ground at the time it was found. No more, no less. Considering the total lack of evidence in this case it is worth following up this long shot in my opinion. I give it a 2% chance of being Cooper's chute but I would still go dig it up. Those odds are better than Vegas :)


I think if the location is found it would be best to try and contact the previous owners first?
TK: We would never go on private property without having all the proper permissions first.

If its a "cargo" chute as Cossey said - then none of the above applies, in any event. ?  :))


Agreed, but some here are not taking anything Cossey says anymore, so I threw some idea's into the pot..I don't think the chute was anything but an old chute that had nothing to do with the case...

well ... I happen to think those who dont trust Cossey dont trust him for all the wrong reasons. Remember we used to think Tina was senile, on Thorizine, and had a peg leg and was on crutches, and was blind in her left eye ... until a few days ago that is! I thinks its crazy.  :)) 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 16, 2016, 12:05:36 AM
I don't believe it would of been healthy for Cooper to linger around enough to have to camp out. it wasn't like he was up 40 hours, and ran a marathon. the longer he would of stuck around, the more danger he would of been creating. the chute used for shelter? I'm not so sure....
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 16, 2016, 12:26:28 AM
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I don't believe it would of been healthy for Cooper to linger around enough to have to camp out. it wasn't like he was up 40 hours, and ran a marathon. the longer he would of stuck around, the more danger he would of been creating. the chute used for shelter? I'm not so sure....

I hate to bring this up but, the chute was found on a farm, in a trash area on a farm, right off to the side of a field access road/path 'on a farm', right where years of trash was thrown/buried as farmers do etc etc etc. Im a Midwest farmer raised on a farm in the 50s. There is nothing strange about the connection, in my experience. The chute is exactly where you would throw and bury farm trash including an old chute you no longer had any use for. But that's just me.  :))

The use of surplus parachutes as covering material and harvesting tents/shelters on farms changed in the 50s due to changing farm practices and technology. And cheap price and availability declined ... 
 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 16, 2016, 12:41:09 AM
I grew up in Ohio, out in the country. they either buried trash, or burned it. my grandfather lived on a nice piece of land, he would take garbage out to the back of his property and burn it. farmers would usually bury garbage...

I'm ready to go back...I'm done with Florida.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 16, 2016, 03:21:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEltGYs-Ck0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: sailshaw on July 16, 2016, 10:37:58 AM
Shutter   In the History Channel program just shown this week on TV, the young investigator "Billy Jensen" actually looked at the phony alibi of Sheridan Peterson that had the FLAW of Sheridan not being able to do the skyjacking (Norjak) as he was delivering one of his two children in Nepal. Billy stated the correct birth dates of the two children as the son in the year 1970 before Norjak and the daughter in the year after Norjak 1972. Then he proceeds to say that was not time enough for Sheridan to travel to Portland and back to Nepal. Where is Billy getting his conclusion?
That was plenty of time as Nepal to Portland takes only two days and Billy thinks one year is not time enough. I think there might be some kind of FBI cover-up going on and maybe Sheridan was a FBI/CIA hired guy to make the Airline industry beef up their security at the airports by doing the Norjak. Is Billy in on the cover-up and how did he get the birth dates of Sheridan's two children. Sheridan's phony alibi said he was delivering one of his two children (during Norjak) and at the time in Nepal as required by the Female Doctor that all men should deliver their own children. It looks like a similar cover up of the lies as the FBI did with Hillary Clinton. Maybe it is just PC in the FBI now.
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Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 16, 2016, 03:09:27 PM
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I grew up in Ohio, out in the country. they either buried trash, or burned it. my grandfather lived on a nice piece of land, he would take garbage out to the back of his property and burn it. farmers would usually bury garbage...

I'm ready to go back...I'm done with Florida.

and the same on farms and rural properties throughout the Midwest and especially in the 40s-50s ... I come from a big family and they all had farms at one time or another. In the early 1900s that was the only way to live if you werent in the city. I had a lot of Quakers in my family. Straight from the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia who rose up against King George - the Fighting Quakers. They were there in the first place because of land grants from King George!

These old chutes could be dangerous on farms if they got wrapped up in a tractor or combine. I literally could tell horror stories about that ... one of my cousins got dragged when a chute they were going to use for a harvest tent got wrapped in the gears of a tractor and my Grandfather ordered that every chute on the place be burned and gotten rid of NOW!!!. They were also a fire hazard around open flame. All in all they were a temporary thing in the history of farm technology and there were actually warnings about them from Iowa State at Ames and the Ag Tech Medicine & Accident people at UI at Oakdale, Ia.

Its no surprise to me at all that you would find one buried on a farm or in the trash burn dump, from the 1950s. We kids loved them! They were a lot of fun to play with and string up in the barn in the hay pile.

My thought is the presence of the chute "on that farm" may have nothing to do with anyone ever parachuting or landing on that farm. It may just be an anomaly that was part of farm life in the 50s, especially if its a "cargo" chute vs. somebody's bail out rig. Cossey would have known, in all probability. 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 16, 2016, 10:02:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPGK-whov9U
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 17, 2016, 06:15:54 PM
Sailshaw wrote: I think there might be some kind of FBI cover-up going on and maybe Sheridan was a FBI/CIA hired guy to make the Airline industry beef up their security at the airports by doing the Norjak.

Nah. Least likely explanation. That's Marla's story now. I think it's very very unlikely IMO.

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 17, 2016, 07:04:22 PM
This has been posted before, but some of the new members might not have seen the video..."protruding lower lip" is interesting..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rS68OepZ1A
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 17, 2016, 11:23:42 PM
Did the show air again this evening? we had a jump in visitors. another record broken for 76 online at once...
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Post by: georger on July 17, 2016, 11:40:33 PM
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Did the show air again this evening? we had a jump in visitors. another record broken for 76 online at once...

yes ... here at least.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 17, 2016, 11:45:09 PM
American Pickers here....that fits the History channel?
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Post by: georger on July 18, 2016, 12:58:52 AM
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American Pickers here....that fits the History channel?

Its our local provider Mediacom.  :))  In Cedar Rapids it was on last night (Saturday)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 18, 2016, 02:38:47 AM
Comcast showed it this afternoon in the Tacoma area.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 18, 2016, 08:13:32 PM
A YouTube broadcast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85fMUEFYBbM

The History Channel docu has triggered a lot of interest in DB Cooper. I got a call from a guy in Boston named Mike, and he runs a podcast site called AboveTheBeyond. We talked Cooper for about a half-hour.

Enjoy.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Check-Six on July 18, 2016, 09:12:16 PM
The "D B Cooper: Case Closed" summary video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_kXnAOEmH0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_kXnAOEmH0)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on July 19, 2016, 09:05:03 AM
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Anybody have any ideas on whom this special suspect is that received such scrutiny from the FBI over the past few years, ala, Ayn's comments:

"...in January, we received the results of FBI Laboratory testing of items related to a person considered a possible match to the hijacker. The results came back and did not resolve this case. Those items were related to the only new individual to come to our attention in the last five or so years. There are no additional leads to pursue, neither for that individual nor any others...."


I assumed she was maybe referring to LD??


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Post by: Shutter on July 19, 2016, 10:13:58 AM
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Anybody have any ideas on whom this special suspect is that received such scrutiny from the FBI over the past few years, ala, Ayn's comments:

"...in January, we received the results of FBI Laboratory testing of items related to a person considered a possible match to the hijacker. The results came back and did not resolve this case. Those items were related to the only new individual to come to our attention in the last five or so years. There are no additional leads to pursue, neither for that individual nor any others...."


I assumed she was maybe referring to LD??


I think the DNA was resolved with LD back in late 2011, or early 2012?
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Post by: MarkBennett on July 19, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
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Anybody have any ideas on whom this special suspect is that received such scrutiny from the FBI over the past few years, ala, Ayn's comments:

"...in January, we received the results of FBI Laboratory testing of items related to a person considered a possible match to the hijacker. The results came back and did not resolve this case. Those items were related to the only new individual to come to our attention in the last five or so years. There are no additional leads to pursue, neither for that individual nor any others...."


I assumed she was maybe referring to LD??


I think the DNA was resolved with LD back in late 2011, or early 2012?

The DNA with LD was resolved prior to his name being made public -- so sometime in early 2011 to mid 2011.
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Post by: EVickiW on July 19, 2016, 10:33:51 AM
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Anybody have any ideas on whom this special suspect is that received such scrutiny from the FBI over the past few years, ala, Ayn's comments:

"...in January, we received the results of FBI Laboratory testing of items related to a person considered a possible match to the hijacker. The results came back and did not resolve this case. Those items were related to the only new individual to come to our attention in the last five or so years. There are no additional leads to pursue, neither for that individual nor any others...."


I assumed she was maybe referring to LD??


I think the DNA was resolved with LD back in late 2011, or early 2012?

The passage by Ayn is vague. She says an 'items' were tested. A toothbrush was submitted on LD after Marla went public. They sent the toothbrush in for DNA testing even though the DNA test against LD's daughter came back and did not match.  http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Family-waits-on-toothbrush-for-break-in-D-B-2353231.php

Is Ayn speaking of that?  Or is the DNA database on Missing Persons considered an "item"? If Quantico DID test the DNA against the Missing Persons (Namus) database, I would not be notified. On the other hand, the FBI has also publicly stated they have a compromised DNA profile. It would be nice to know who Ayn refers to.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 19, 2016, 05:23:27 PM
History Channel's recreation of the 727 cockpit scenes was first class visually. It must have been a cutaway cockpit optimized for filming.

Doug Scroggins Aviation specializes in this work. Take a look: http://scrogginsaviation.com/

BRAVO!

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on July 21, 2016, 11:01:52 PM
Fyi
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Post by: Shutter on July 21, 2016, 11:10:07 PM
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Ouch, most of the other people who have suspects are dead. I always wondered what these people would think about them being accused of a crime.

Thanks for posting this.... :))
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Post by: georger on July 21, 2016, 11:53:06 PM
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Fyi

 :-\   That may answer any claim to admission of guilt!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Olemisscub on July 22, 2016, 12:53:38 AM
falsely accused is the correct wording for Rackstraw.

There never even needed to be an investigation of this magnitude into him for one simple reason: Do we really think that Tina, who sat next to DB for HOURS, would mistake someone in their late 20's for being in their mid 40's. Hell no. Rackstraw was much too young.
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Post by: Robert99 on July 22, 2016, 02:08:36 AM
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falsely accused is the correct wording for Rackstraw.

There never even needed to be an investigation of this magnitude into him for one simple reason: Do we really think that Tina, who sat next to DB for HOURS, would mistake someone in their late 20's for being in their mid 40's. Hell no. Rackstraw was much too young.

The Bill H. Eisele mentioned does not appear to be a lawyer.  Presumably, he was going to refer Rackstraw to one.  But if Rackstraw is living in California, he probably has a lawyer by this time.  And I think he will be successful.

One question.  Do all 40 of those investigators get named in the lawsuit?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 22, 2016, 05:37:21 AM
"He's not D.B. Cooper," said Rackstraw's 78-year-old Oakland attorney, Dennis Roberts, on Monday. "Everything I've heard is that D.B. Cooper died, and he (Rackstraw) is alive."

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 22, 2016, 05:40:23 AM
If Rackstraw sues he has the burden of proving and quantifying reputation damage.

With his extensive pre existing criminal record, how much would you award him if you were a juror?

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 22, 2016, 07:21:34 AM
Didn't Rackstraw claim at one time, to be DB Cooper? If so, seems to me that could negate any lawsuit?
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Post by: EVickiW on July 22, 2016, 09:57:40 AM
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Ouch, most of the other people who have suspects are dead. I always wondered what these people would think about them being accused of a crime.

Thanks for posting this.... :))

Bernie Geestman should follow suit.  >:D
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Post by: Olemisscub on July 22, 2016, 10:00:27 AM
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Didn't Rackstraw claim at one time, to be DB Cooper? If so, seems to me that could negate any lawsuit?

If I was defending against a Rackstraw lawsuit, I would play the jury the videos of him, both as a young man and now as an older man, trying to be coy, clever, and mysterious about Norjak and not flatly denying it. That'd be the end of a defamation suit.
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Ouch, most of the other people who have suspects are dead. I always wondered what these people would think about them being accused of a crime.

Thanks for posting this.... :))

Bernie Geestman should follow suit.  >:D

Should have already happened. He should have done it right after Decoded. He could get much more from History channel than from Robbie.
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Post by: Robert99 on July 22, 2016, 12:57:47 PM
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Ouch, most of the other people who have suspects are dead. I always wondered what these people would think about them being accused of a crime.

Thanks for posting this.... :))

Bernie Geestman should follow suit.  >:D

Agreed. >:(  And I don't think Bernie has made any incriminating statements.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 22, 2016, 01:05:38 PM
Does it REALLY damage your reputation to be a DBC suspect? Peterson and Rackstraw seem to actually enjoy it. They played the investigators so perfectly. So cool and fun.

If someone accused me of being DBC I wouldn't run to the courthouse.  ;)

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Post by: Robert99 on July 22, 2016, 01:28:34 PM
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Does it REALLY damage your reputation to be a DBC suspect? Peterson and Rackstraw seem to actually enjoy it. They played the investigators so perfectly. So cool and fun.

If someone accused me of being DBC I wouldn't run to the courthouse.  ;)

377

Didn't Rackstraw get called a lot of other names during that show? ???
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 22, 2016, 01:55:45 PM
Possibly, something about being a convicted airplane thief and check forger.

His fake MAYDAY when trying to make it look like his rented plane crashed into the sea pisses me off. Responders can get hurt and real emergencies can go without resources when some asshole decides to stage a fake one.

I'm surprised he didn't toss out a punctured can of oil to make a slick... kinda like the subs did in WW2, pumping out waste oil to make it look like they had been hit during depth charge attacks. The searchers looking for evidence of Rackstraw's alleged crash found nothing at all which I am sure raised suspicions.

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on July 22, 2016, 05:26:42 PM
Rackstraw would have to prove he is not DBC if he does take them to court. I find his Facebook post telling since he already has a lawyer, 78yr old Oakland attorney Dennis Roberts who has been making statements on Rackstraw's behalf...so why would he post on Facebook and a news blog site that he is needing an attorney if he already had one? I think he is still playing his game with the media an public and loves the attention.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on July 22, 2016, 05:54:36 PM
Rackstraw does list on his job descriptions has having worked for the government. If true that may explain a lot on why he only did a yr for stealing a plan and faking his death as well as being charged in over 75k in worthless checks. One last though,t he was charged with murder of his step father and acquitted of those charges. Maybe there is a Pandora's box tied to his secret work for the government and cia?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 22, 2016, 06:25:14 PM
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Rackstraw does list on his job descriptions has having worked for the government. If true that may explain a lot on why he only did a yr for stealing a plan and faking his death as well as being charged in over 75k in worthless checks. One last though,t he was charged with murder of his step father and acquitted of those charges. Maybe there is a Pandora's box tied to his secret work for the government and cia?

All of this smacks of what Meyers-Dvorak did to Teddy, Blevins did to Geestman, and Marla did with LD, and Jo Weber did with CKRET trying to get him fired. These public prosecutions-persecutions never pay off especially if the FBI has already dismissed a suspect. Being publicly charged and humiliated by some media production may make for reality TV but it only diverts the central issue which is solid evidence that will stand up in Court.  None of these suspects is "running for office"!  :))   Sooner or later somebody is going to test the parameters of what reality TV can do or not do, all in the name of DB Cooper - in Court. The whole thing is wildly counter-productive, in the maine.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 23, 2016, 04:39:23 AM
Rackstraw Speaks

Airborne Bob has posted a lengthy comment on the Mountain News-WA.

https://themountainnewswa.net/2016/07/12/db-cooper-case-closed-but-not-abandoned/#more-7820

You have to scroll down through a ton of attachments and commentaries.

BTW: Airborne Bob says he has 37 "Air Medals," and the Vietnamese Cross for Gallantry.
BTW II: I'm reading Colbert's book, The Last Master Outlaw, about RWR. I love it. A fascinating read of a life untempered by social restraints. Well-written and well-researched, too.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 23, 2016, 08:03:09 AM
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Fyi


Ouch, most of the other people who have suspects are dead. I always wondered what these people would think about them being accused of a crime.

Thanks for posting this.... :))

Bernie Geestman should follow suit.  >:D

Should have already happened. He should have done it right after Decoded. He could get much more from History channel than from Robbie.


I'm sure Decoded had Bernie sign some sort of waiver that would cover there butts.....the end result showed Bernie was not the accomplice....
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 23, 2016, 12:02:17 PM
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Fyi

Ouch, most of the other people who have suspects are dead. I always wondered what these people would think about them being accused of a crime.

Thanks for posting this.... :))

Bernie Geestman should follow suit.  >:D

Should have already happened. He should have done it right after Decoded. He could get much more from History channel than from Robbie.


I'm sure Decoded had Bernie sign some sort of waiver that would cover there butts.....the end result showed Bernie was not the accomplice....

True. I forgot that they all said he wasn't involved
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 23, 2016, 02:49:15 PM
Now, he is claiming the radio program never happened? he had no reason to lie, he's not even a researcher, so I believe it to be a legit comment..

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "
 
Mike Fitzsimmons
Sent to me by email Sept. 2, 2014
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 23, 2016, 03:29:28 PM
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Now, he is claiming the radio program never happened? he had no reason to lie, he's not even a researcher, so I believe it to be a legit comment..

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "
 
Mike Fitzsimmons
Sent to me by email Sept. 2, 2014

Blevins claims WE dont exist and the Moon is made of green cheese! The people who were on the Decoded show with Blevins wont even comment about it publicly! Maybe they sell insurance and pots and pans on the side?  :))

LMNO Productions made fast work of his sham-wow bullshit!  C:-)  My guess is De-cohhhh-ded wont be re-visiting DB Cooper again any time soon ... haven't they moved on to Atlantis and the five armed hairy Moth-Man who was the real George Washington?  :))     
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 23, 2016, 05:20:51 PM
He's not being honest with his viewers at all. same for the Decoded show, he claims they all have different views since the show?

The only view I have is straight from the FBI...

"He's not a viable suspect"
"Christiansen was dismissed because the only part of his physical description that matches Coopers is that he is male."

The final nail, he hand delivered his evidence over a year ago. they looked at it, and he now falls into the "no viable leads" category. what's he do, he starts pushing the very evidence the FBI dismissed on his forum, and other Social media's.

He doesn't realize that they have other things to rule suspects out, but nothing will stop him.

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 23, 2016, 05:33:01 PM
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He's not being honest with his viewers at all. same for the Decoded show, he claims they all have different views since the show?

The only view I have is straight from the FBI...

"He's not a viable suspect"
"Christiansen was dismissed because the only part of his physical description that matches Coopers is that he is male."

The final nail, he hand delivered his evidence over a year ago. they looked at it, and he now falls into the "no viable leads" category. what's he do, he starts pushing the very evidence the FBI dismissed on his forum, and other Social media's.

He doesn't realize that they have other things to rule suspects out, but nothing will stop him.

He never had any real "evidence" in the first place!

There isnt a penny's worth of difference between Weber, Marla, and Blevins. It's all fabricated nonsense. That Decoded used this crap to center a program around was rank fraud. They might as well have claimed that Mothra was George Washington ... or vice-versa! You have to be on drugs to even watch this crap for more than two minutes. Its total propaganda. And the inventors of it wither know it or they are con artists? Take your choice.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 23, 2016, 05:55:45 PM
Rather quick on finding the wood in the attic  O0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 23, 2016, 08:04:46 PM
The Decoded show was for entertainment purposes only.  The producer had a show in mind and told the cast who to talk to, what to ask and to try to get to the conclusion they want.  You end up with an ending of "Is this DB Cooper?  You decide".  I thought that episode was entertaining and I enjoyed it.  But, if you walk out thinking it was more than that, you're missing the point.

Contrast that to the History Channel.  Tom Colbert spent years of researching and had a suspect.  They could have made the show a case of Rackstraw being the suspect.  To their credit, they didn't.  They played it straight.  They did a full four hours  on it and that was still too short.  I hope they sell a DVD with lots of extra material on it.  It would keep this board buzzing for months!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 23, 2016, 09:08:50 PM
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Now, he is claiming the radio program never happened? he had no reason to lie, he's not even a researcher, so I believe it to be a legit comment..

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "
 
Mike Fitzsimmons
Sent to me by email Sept. 2, 2014

The interview obviously happened, and I will take Fitzsimmons word over that of Robbie, who didn't even listen to the interview. But. as we have seen in the past, he will not let facts get in the way of his goal. This is just another attempt on his part to change history.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 24, 2016, 01:26:11 AM
Has anyone heard of Rackstraw being homeless?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 24, 2016, 03:34:40 AM
Nope.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 25, 2016, 09:51:12 AM
Bruce,
Did you try to contact Rackstraw and see if you could interview him?

Interesting thing -- I don't know if he has a lawyer yet.  I'm not a lawyer, but the first thing a lawyer would tell him to do if he were filing a suit is to stop talking!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 25, 2016, 11:07:33 AM
Rackstraw told me in email he was homless?  I also asked him if he would like to clear his name...his response was..."thanks, but no thanks"
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 25, 2016, 12:47:22 PM
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Bruce,
Did you try to contact Rackstraw and see if you could interview him?

Interesting thing -- I don't know if he has a lawyer yet.  I'm not a lawyer, but the first thing a lawyer would tell him to do if he were filing a suit is to stop talking!

He had a lawyer. Dennis Roberts of Oakland, age 78. I used to see Dennis in court years ago. He is a skilled criminal defense lawyer but I don't think he is a defamation civil suit specialist. Maybe Rackstraw and Roberts parted ways?

Rackstraw would be a tough client. So many untruthful statements and proven bad behavior in his past. I question the if reputational damages that he can prove amount to enough to make a contingency fee civil suit worth the effort.

I'm surprised Rackstraw didn't say "yeah, I am DB Cooper" and take and immediately cash the check he was allegedly offered.  ;)

377


Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 25, 2016, 01:49:04 PM
Rackstraw basically said he didn't have the funds for his defense, and was a "homeless Veteran" and something about being killed like his sister, and Briggs?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 25, 2016, 02:38:19 PM
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Rackstraw basically said he didn't have the funds for his defense, and was a "homeless Veteran" and something about being killed like his sister, and Briggs?

That's interesting.  Rackstraw's sister died of cancer.  Briggs died in 1980 in a car crash when he felt "they were after him".

If Rackstraw said he DID have funds for his defense, but only if they'd accept twenties, that would make it more interesting....
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 25, 2016, 03:58:13 PM
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Rackstraw basically said he didn't have the funds for his defense, and was a "homeless Veteran" and something about being killed like his sister, and Briggs?

Perhaps he should contact Blevins about doing a fundraiser... :))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 25, 2016, 04:22:13 PM
Best chuckle of the day, so far, P-Vol!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 25, 2016, 04:32:09 PM
"Airborne Bob" has posted two lengthy comments at the Mountain News following the "Case Closed but not Abandoned" piece I wrote about the current happenings.

Now, I'm asking him to identify himself as Bob Rackstraw. So far, no go.

In his post he lambasts Colbert and Company, and claims he is suing his attorney, a fellow named "Zaid." He also wants Zaid disbarred. His comments are so unrelentingly angry, provocative, and toxic that I think this is all the dancin' I wanna do with this guy.

Besides, I've gotta save up my "Be nice, Bruce" juice for the shindig in Ariel next month. The last missive from Bryan was not so good...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 25, 2016, 04:38:41 PM
In his post he lambasts Colbert and Company, and claims he is suing his attorney, a fellow named "Zaid." He also wants Zaid disbarred.

Somehow I don't think that will help his efforts to find new counsel.  ;)

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 25, 2016, 08:05:24 PM
The comments about the Ariel store have been moved to the "totally off topic" thread....
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 26, 2016, 12:45:41 AM
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"Airborne Bob" has posted two lengthy comments at the Mountain News following the "Case Closed but not Abandoned" piece I wrote about the current happenings.

Now, I'm asking him to identify himself as Bob Rackstraw. So far, no go.

In his post he lambasts Colbert and Company, and claims he is suing his attorney, a fellow named "Zaid." He also wants Zaid disbarred. His comments are so unrelentingly angry, provocative, and toxic that I think this is all the dancin' I wanna do with this guy.

Besides, I've gotta save up my "Be nice, Bruce" juice for the shindig in Ariel next month. The last missive from Bryan was not so good...

You could show up at Ariel in an Easter Bunny suit?  >:D
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 26, 2016, 03:57:30 AM
I'm thinking Santa.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on July 26, 2016, 08:07:03 PM
Tom Colbert sent me this a little while ago...

"FYI, keep an eye out for news in the Washington Post, possibly tomorrow...TJC"
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 26, 2016, 11:28:24 PM
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Tom Colbert sent me this a little while ago...

"FYI, keep an eye out for news in the Washington Post, possibly tomorrow...TJC"

Interesting...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 27, 2016, 02:38:03 AM
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Tom Colbert sent me this a little while ago...

"FYI, keep an eye out for news in the Washington Post, possibly tomorrow...TJC"

Received a signed book from Tom. Thanks Tom C!  ;)
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 27, 2016, 03:15:24 AM
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I'm thinking Santa.

Now, I'm thinking of "dropping" in on the BBQ as Danny Boy.

377, can I borrow your NB-8? Please include a note showing me what to pull, and when. Thanks. Also, a video on how to affix all those straps would be helpful. Double thanks. Wouldn't want to bounce, ya know.

I'll have to ask Ron Forman for a lift in his Cessna 140. I wonder if he'll be banned for delivering me. Just askin'...

I'll have to ask the Travel Channel when a good time to arrive will be. Wouldn't want them to run out of film before I got there.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 27, 2016, 10:23:29 AM
Washington Post, 40 minutes ago...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/how-the-hunt-for-db-cooper-made-an-aging-vietnam-veteran-the-target-of-tv-sleuths/2016/07/27/66b24736-492e-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html
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Post by: MarkBennett on July 27, 2016, 10:54:42 AM
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Washington Post, 40 minutes ago...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/how-the-hunt-for-db-cooper-made-an-aging-vietnam-veteran-the-target-of-tv-sleuths/2016/07/27/66b24736-492e-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html

I thought this line was interesting:

"Geoffrey Gray, the author of “Skyjack,” the most authoritative history of the Cooper investigation, said Rackstraw was never a serious suspect — he is not mentioned once in Gray’s book."

I liked Geoff's book, but I don't think even Geoff would characterize it as "the most authoritative history of the Cooper investigation".  It's not even a history of the Cooper investigation.  It's a diary of Geoff as he looked at four Cooper suspects.
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Post by: georger on July 27, 2016, 01:18:12 PM
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Washington Post, 40 minutes ago...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/how-the-hunt-for-db-cooper-made-an-aging-vietnam-veteran-the-target-of-tv-sleuths/2016/07/27/66b24736-492e-11e6-bdb9-701687974517_story.html

I thought this line was interesting:

"Geoffrey Gray, the author of “Skyjack,” the most authoritative history of the Cooper investigation, said Rackstraw was never a serious suspect — he is not mentioned once in Gray’s book."

I liked Geoff's book, but I don't think even Geoff would characterize it as "the most authoritative history of the Cooper investigation".  It's not even a history of the Cooper investigation.  It's a diary of Geoff as he looked at four Cooper suspects.

While his book may not rise to the level of 'most authoritative history of the Cooper investigation' it definitely was promoted as such, and there is a reason why. Gray is in fact a pretty good 'investigative researcher'. You may not know this but Gray is a political investigator-reporter with a real vita behind him. He's an excellent (professional) writer. The New Yorker did not pick up Gray's work for no reason. It's no accident that the FBI gave Gray access to their files. Gray was chosen for his professionalism!  His work on Kenny Christensen was 'spot on" and maybe flawless. Based on his investigation, Gray literally took the Christiansen story as far as he justifiably thought it could and should go. And in a similar vein, the incoherence and disconnectedness which is conveyed in Gray's report on the Cooper investigation, may in fact be a true reflection of what Gray found in the FBI's case files. A vast collection of investigative reports that do not connect, lack cohesion, and went nowhere except for a few notable anecdotes which Gray chose to drop as 'new factoids' in the Cooper labyrinth nobody in the FBI Bureau could ever bring to a successful outcome! The sense Gray conveys in his book and his report on this matter may be 100% accurate! That is the disturbing part.

Gray's book may be the best portrait of the Cooper case written to date!

       
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 27, 2016, 01:39:44 PM
Georger wrote: Gray's book may be the best portrait of the Cooper case written to date!


It's probably the best picture of the Cooper Vortex ever published. Nut jobs and serious scholars/investigators properly binned.  ;)

Gray is now promoting the People's (Race)horse. Crowd funded. https://www.americasbestracing.net/lifestyle/2016-qa-the-peoples-horses-geoffrey-gray

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 29, 2016, 10:14:11 PM
Colbert and Company have news about news:

Post this evening at the Mountain News:

"Give it a rest bob you might have everyone else fooled but not us we know your cooper and we have a new evidence that we will be releasing that will put this all to bed. Stay tuned folks!"

- from Mark Zaid, Colbert's attorney
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on July 30, 2016, 01:52:06 AM
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Colbert and Company have news about news:

Post this evening at the Mountain News:

"Give it a rest bob you might have everyone else fooled but not us we know your cooper and we have a new evidence that we will be releasing that will put this all to bed. Stay tuned folks!"

- from Mark Zaid, Colbert's attorney

I have to believe this is fake.  Sure Zaid is 78 years old, but misspellings and grammar errors aren't something an attorney would write.  And, an attorney is likely to write comments like these on a public board.

Do you get IP addresses and locations of posters?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on July 30, 2016, 10:07:16 AM
http://www.markzaid.com/biography.php?id=1

If this is the right Zaid, he's no lightweight.

As the National Law Journal once wrote, “if Agent Mulder ever needed a lawyer, Zaid would be his man.”

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 30, 2016, 04:21:11 PM
I believe that's our boy.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 30, 2016, 07:23:28 PM
Just got an email from Mark Zaid. He said he did not post the above comment on the Mountain News-WA.

Now, the question is who did, because they used Mark Zaid's actual email address, which I obtained via Zaid's website.

The War of the Words continues, eh?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on July 31, 2016, 12:56:00 AM
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Just got an email from Mark Zaid. He said he did not post the above comment on the Mountain News-WA.

Now, the question is who did, because they used Mark Zaid's actual email address, which I obtained via Zaid's website.

The War of the Words continues, eh?

Well ... the first obvious candidate would be ... The Lone Ranger at Auburn ? He has had lots of communications with Vegans after the first message from Vega was received on Earth by who .... him of course! He's the only one who has a self advertised IT Dept (Greg he says his name is). If it walks and talks like a server in space it must be from space? Right?   >:D  Otherwise it might be a message from Barb Dayton ... or LD? The Cooper Vortex is strong!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 31, 2016, 04:51:16 PM
You wanna see wacky? Go to the Mountain News and read the latest comments from the Airborne Babes! Jo Weber has met her match!

https://themountainnewswa.net/2016/07/12/db-cooper-case-closed-but-not-abandoned/#comment-34087
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on August 01, 2016, 03:20:49 AM
It's pretty clear to me that AIrborne, RWR & Sammy are the same person. If u read everything he posted u can see there's a a lot of things he said that are interesting. ESP mentioning fighting Smith for his buddies  "I am doing this for Jake, Bat, Ronny, Paul, Skipper, who were Army or Marine. I am doing this in their memory, I am doing this in their honor. It has nothing to do with RWR whom I don’t know." that's interesting giving the fact Sammy also said there was a ground crew with eyes on DBC and they did it for honor and would never see each other again or mention the hijacking to anyone.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 01, 2016, 03:48:18 PM
Maybe RWR is Sammy at the Mountain News. Maybe RWR is spilling the beans about a ground team. Also, maybe RWR/Sammy read my book, and now know more about the possibilities of an extraction team...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on August 01, 2016, 05:12:17 PM
Without radio comms, how would an extraction team have any reasonable possibility of finding and picking up the NORJACK jumper? Chances of seeing the jumper visually during the descent are low. Location of exit and landing could not be predetermined with high accuracy.  Just askin...

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 02, 2016, 03:27:50 AM
Gotta have a ton o' comm gear. Communication between extraction team members, plus tracking devices to find all the stuff dropped into the woods - briefcase, bomb, missing money if any, and the X chute.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on August 02, 2016, 12:50:44 PM
Gotta have a ton o' comm gear.

That's my motto.

377

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Post by: Robert99 on August 02, 2016, 01:05:24 PM
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Gotta have a ton o' comm gear.

That's my motto.

377

377, you have got more electronics on your skydiver rig than I even saw in an airplane until I had been flying for about 20 years. :)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on August 02, 2016, 01:42:20 PM
HF: SSB, AM
VHF UHF: AM, analog FM, SSB and DSTAR digital voice.
DC to daylight. (actually 1.8 MHZ to 1300 MHz.)

Sure wish Cooper had used radio gear but I see no evidence that he did.

Pics from recent Osaka ham radio festival:
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on August 04, 2016, 11:02:07 PM
I have yet to dive into it yet, but Mr. Colbert was kind enough to send me a copy of his book. I've just been too busy to read long term at the moment, but I am looking forward to what is inside  O0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on August 04, 2016, 11:40:48 PM
Adrian who worked with bob in Iran in 78 commented in the mountain news claiming he was a fan of Canadian football.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on August 04, 2016, 11:46:01 PM
This person has posted the same comment on other forums....

"I knew Bob Rakestraw and I believe him to have been D.B. Cooper. Bob was a helicopter pilot and had access to one at that time. He also had been a paratrooper in the Army. Bob was a very flamboyant and aggressive man with brass balls. I meet him when I went to work in Iran in 1978 as an instructor pilot for the Iranian Army. Bob was extradited and sent back as a suspect in the case. When we left the US he had a large amount of cash and planned to go on the run. Even before I found out about the Cooper thing, he had impressed me as one of the most interesting people I have ever known. We partied together before leaving for Iran and he was one crazy dude. Cooper or not he was unforgettable!!!"

Welcome to the forum...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on August 04, 2016, 11:55:29 PM
Thanks Shutter...your right and I noticed he made the comment in February before the HC special aired. So Colbert is not the only person out there that thinks Rackstraw is cooper.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on August 05, 2016, 12:09:54 AM
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Thanks Shutter...your right and I noticed he made the comment in February before the HC special aired. So Colbert is not the only person out there that thinks Rackstraw is cooper.

I'm sure there is a lot of people who believe Rackstraw could be Cooper. it's just that age thingy. I'm eager to see what Colbert has in his book that wasn't on the show about him. between the age issue, and Tina, it's really hard to believe it.

It appears Rackstraw is a story teller, I'm seeing this in his comments on various forums. he told me in an email that he was homeless. I don't know if he's bonkers, or just likes to control the strings on the puppet  >:D
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on August 05, 2016, 12:13:32 AM
I think Colbert and his crew should of polygraphed Ron Carlson along with Ingrams.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 05, 2016, 02:32:50 AM
I just finished Colbert's book, "The Last Master Outlaw." Great read. It doesn't prove RWR is DB Cooper, but it sure does reveal a lot about Rackstraw, including his multiple admissions of being DB Cooper and how he set up various media stations. I found his dodging a murder conviction for the death of his stepfather to be particularly gruesome, and the alleged attacks on military armories and gun shops was scary, but informative.

A couple of things:

1. I still don't think RWR is DBC. Age is part of it. The money find at T-Bar is totally incorrect due to the KATU confirmation of all the shards. Plus, there's no hard evidence, ie: money, nor confirmation that RWR/De Winter was at PDX on 11. 24. 71.

2, But the FBI was REALLY HOT on Cooper right until now. Colbert reveals that the FBI inner sanctum - higher than just Eng - was encouraging him to continue his investigation up into 2016, and Fuentes gave him HUGE kudos in October 2015 that were never expressed on camera. Then, BOOM, the feds closed the case, sandbag Colbert, and intimate that it was Uncle LD that was making their hearts all aflutter for all those years. All this suggests to me that the FBI was playing Colbert. Not sure why. More smoke and mirrors for the cameras? Keep the Hollywood guy spinning his wheels so that he doesn't ask really probing questions, like who lost the cigarette butts???

As a result, there are a few things that are not clear to me that I will ask Colbert:

1. Why didn't he use his FBI manpower and his apparent leverage to ask the FBI for more information/access/opportunities to examine the evidence. Why has no one discussed the hair and skin samples taken from the headrests? Why didn't Colbert and his 40-man CCT storm DC with a full spectrum DNA kit and zoom it all - tie stains and skin cells, hair follicles and other human tissue left behind. Why didn't the CCT get all 77 fingerprint sets and start running a data base scan, matching and patching partial prints, etc., and start combing through all the data and identifying who they had, and seeing if they could come up with RWR, or anyone else that they couldn't identify.

2. Why didn't Colbert demand to see the T-Bar shards - thousands of pieces in dozens of Plasticine envelopes, correct? Why didn't Colbert examine the bills at Brian Ingrams?

3. Why didn't the CCT team start interrogating the Oremet folks and other foundries where titanium is used?

4. Why didn't Colbert and the CCT demand that LMNO film any of this stuff?

If the FBI told Colbert in 2012 that 33 pieces of circumstantial evidence was insufficient, why did Colbert and Company Double Down and go for more? Why did they continue down a lousy rabbit hole instead of looking into the alternative, namely, the evidence. For the feds to encourage Colbert to go down the same old same old is, as Captain Hook says, "Bad form."
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on August 05, 2016, 07:35:42 AM
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I just finished Colbert's book, "The Last Master Outlaw." Great read. It doesn't prove RWR is DB Cooper, but it sure does reveal a lot about Rackstraw, including his multiple admissions of being DB Cooper and how he set up various media stations. I found his dodging a murder conviction for the death of his stepfather to be particularly gruesome, and the alleged attacks on military armories and gun shops was scary, but informative.

A couple of things:

1. I still don't think RWR is DBC. Age is part of it. The money find at T-Bar is totally incorrect due to the KATU confirmation of all the shards. Plus, there's no hard evidence, ie: money, nor confirmation that RWR/De Winter was at PDX on 11. 24. 71.

2, But the FBI was REALLY HOT on Cooper right until now. Colbert reveals that the FBI inner sanctum - higher than just Eng - was encouraging him to continue his investigation up into 2016, and Fuentes gave him HUGE kudos in October 2015 that were never expressed on camera. Then, BOOM, the feds closed the case, sandbag Colbert, and intimate that it was Uncle LD that was making their hearts all aflutter for all those years. All this suggests to me that the FBI was playing Colbert. Not sure why. More smoke and mirrors for the cameras? Keep the Hollywood guy spinning his wheels so that he doesn't ask really probing questions, like who lost the cigarette butts???

As a result, there are a few things that are not clear to me that I will ask Colbert:

1. Why didn't he use his FBI manpower and his apparent leverage to ask the FBI for more information/access/opportunities to examine the evidence. Why has no one discussed the hair and skin samples taken from the headrests? Why didn't Colbert and his 40-man CCT storm DC with a full spectrum DNA kit and zoom it all - tie stains and skin cells, hair follicles and other human tissue left behind. Why didn't the CCT get all 77 fingerprint sets and start running a data base scan, matching and patching partial prints, etc., and start combing through all the data and identifying who they had, and seeing if they could come up with RWR, or anyone else that they couldn't identify.

2. Why didn't Colbert demand to see the T-Bar shards - thousands of pieces in dozens of Plasticine envelopes, correct? Why didn't Colbert examine the bills at Brian Ingrams?

3. Why didn't the CCT team start interrogating the Oremet folks and other foundries where titanium is used?

4. Why didn't Colbert and the CCT demand that LMNO film any of this stuff?

If the FBI told Colbert in 2012 that 33 pieces of circumstantial evidence was insufficient, why did Colbert and Company Double Down and go for more? Why did they continue down a lousy rabbit hole instead of looking into the alternative, namely, the evidence. For the feds to encourage Colbert to go down the same old same old is, as Captain Hook says, "Bad form."

But Bruce, if they would have done those things, they would have eliminated their own suspect.... :)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 05, 2016, 03:34:09 PM
Ah, the rub.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 05, 2016, 03:59:19 PM
I just received an email from Tom Colbert that lays out his points of view very succinctly. A couple of things are prominent:

1. TJC's belief that RWR is DBC is steadfast.
2. TJC and Company were blocked by FBI policy from a hands on examination of the evidence.
3. Tom did explore the titanium angle at first, but abandoned it.
4. Tom says that Flo is claiming that the skyjacker darkened his skin with make-up.
5. Tom is claiming that skyjacker signed his tix, "Dan Cooper," as per statements by Larry Carr, a Seattle Post-Intel reporter and photog.
6. Tom is claiming that Rackstraw wrote "Letter #2," the Vancouver, BC Province one.

Here's the whole enchilada:

Colbert's responses are in bold italics -

Can't engage you for another couple of weeks...things are fluid. But happy to give you quick answers to your points.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:53 PM, Bruce Smith <brucesmith@rainierconnect.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,

I just finished your book. I loved it. Congratulations to you and Szollosi. Appreciate it.

I posted the following to the Forum. Several posters are just entering our conversation, such as Shutter. I'd love to hear what you think of my perspective on the evidence, and what needs to happen at this juncture.

Bruce


DBC Forum, 8. 4. 16:

I just finished Colbert's book, "The Last Master Outlaw." Great read. It doesn't prove RWR is DB Cooper, but it sure does reveal a lot about Rackstraw, including his multiple admissions of being DB Cooper and how he set up various media stations. I found his dodging a murder conviction for the death of his stepfather to be particularly gruesome, and the alleged attacks on military armories and gun shops was scary, but informative.

A couple of things:

1. I still don't think RWR is DBC. Age is part of it.

 9 points of match between Army ID photo and DBC Mitchell Sketch #2, according to CCT -- 4 would bring on a search warrant; plus Flo (via Cook and me -- to verify) stating she felt Cooper was wearing "make-up to darken his skin"; plus Bill Mitchell (who you don't mention pointed at our suspect in 6-pack photos -- not a minor point, says the psychologist.) claiming Cooper's “hair was shiny, as if it were dyed" (an expert notes in color version of RWR's Disneyland photo with kids -- only in Ebook -- you can see his reddish hair transitioning to black, a week before arriving in Corvallis -- where witnesses described NdW's hair as "dark" and black).

[Tom added the next paragraph moments later in a second email]:

    Three points: Fuentes said on camera (but cut), "If you can prove RWR was at jet or nearby, FBI's argument (he was cleared) would go away."
1) This means FBI has an alibi for RWR's location. But as you learned in book, two other false ones he gave in same period destroy that claim, so the FBI can't rely on it, says CCT. 
2) Later on phone, Fuentes admitted to me if RWR had a small plane in Corvallis, that would quality as "nearby" -- 20 minutes flight time to PDX (As NdW, he was on a couch, say 3 witnesses, the night before -- plus he separately told 4 of the 14 Corvallis and Astoria witnesses he had a plane for travel; and three family members were also told that he was flying a plane in NW for realtor).
3) In 8/1/11 Seattle PI article, reporter (and photographer) state "The hijacker, who signed his ticket "DAN COOPER" in red ink..." (Tracked both down, who were adamant when Carr pulled boarding pass from box and confirmed Cooper signed it). So until journalists and Carr say they were wrong, I'm going with it. Then former forensic doc association president Linton Mohammed stated that ticket, and the second hand-written DBC letter (that Cook found in Vancouver, BC) show “indications [they] were written by one person.”

     

The money find at T-Bar is totally incorrect due to the KATU confirmation of all the shards.

 I'm going with my human intel; Dwayne's three separate versions of discovery story -- in Seattle Times day after, in my 2011 phone call, and in 2015 -- plus drug runner Carlson who passed polygraph -- plus two other drug runners' collaborations of set-up story -- plus witnesses on beach (old fisherman and land owners) -- plus FBI transcriptions, summarized by Georger, -- all are good enough for me, I'll let you guys play (it out) in the sand.

Plus, there's no hard evidence, ie: money, nor confirmation that RWR/De Winter was at PDX on 11. 24. 71.

2, But the FBI was REALLY HOT on Rackstraw-as-Cooper right until now. Colbert reveals that the FBI inner sanctum - higher than just Eng - was encouraging him to continue his investigation up into 2016, and Fuentes gave him HUGE kudos in October 2015 that were never expressed on camera.

It was ALL on camera -- cut from show, to match "case closed" narrative? 

Then, BOOM, the feds closed the case, sandbagged Colbert, and intimated that it was Uncle LD that was making their hearts all aflutter for all those years.

They cut the top 18 pieces of evidence -- all the DNA, forensic docs and letter trails -- the CCT believes, to make the "case closed" easy. All about (t)he fear of losing a circumstantial case -- with weak elderly witnesses and corrupted evidence. But don't forget to tell your readers, the FBI has YET to look at our 101 pieces of evidence, just saw the 33 pieces.

All this suggests to me that the FBI was playing Colbert. Not sure why. See above.

More smoke and mirrors for the cameras? Keep the Hollywood guy spinning his wheels so that he doesn't ask really probing questions, like who lost the cigarette butts???

Fuentes has since told a deputy chief (3 weeks ago at an academy gathering), friend of a CCT member, that "all the DNA the bureau has is corrupted" -- no one knew back then how to preserve it.

As a result, there are a few things that are not clear to me that I will ask Colbert:

1. Why didn't he use his FBI manpower and his apparent leverage to ask the FBI for more information/access/opportunities to examine the evidence. Why has no one discussed the hair and skin samples taken from the headrests? Why didn't Colbert and his 40-man CCT storm DC with a full spectrum DNA kit and zoom it all - tie stains and skin cells, hair follicles and other human tissue left behind. Why didn't the CCT get all 77 fingerprint sets and start running a data base scan, matching and patching partial prints, etc., and start combing through all the data and identifying who they had, and seeing if they could come up with RWR, or anyone else that they couldn't identify as a passenger or crew.

For ethical reasons (This independent tea(m) is not a branch of law enforcement -- defense team would have case thrown out), we couldn't collaborate with FBI during three-year field investigation, planned to after they accepted our Investigative Report -- which they now refuse to receive.

2. Why didn't Colbert demand to see the T-Bar shards - thousands of pieces in dozens of Plasticine envelopes, correct? See above. Why didn't Colbert examine the bills at Brian Ingrams? See end of #1

3. Why didn't the CCT team start interrogating the Oremet folks and other foundries where titanium is used? Worked that at beginning -- had stronger leads. Plus, you forget some felt tie could have been picked up at a used clothing store...making anything on it a rabbit-hole of wasted time.

4. Why didn't Colbert and the CCT demand that LMNO film any of this stuff and insist by contractual agreement that the HC broadcast this line of inquiry?

Have you ever sold a show to a network? This was my 20th, and ownership is transferred to the TV brass. I did insist on the right of being able to continue investigating with team, independently, for the criminal case (but without Bureau collaboration -- see #1. But all decisions of what ultimately aired wasn't my or LMNO's decision...just HC.

If the FBI told Colbert in 2012 that 33 pieces of circumstantial evidence was insufficient, why did Colbert and Company Double Down and go for more? Why did they continue down a lousy rabbit hole instead of looking into the alternative, namely, the evidence. For the feds to encourage Colbert to go down the same old same old is, as Captain Hook says, "Bad form."

Rabbit hole? The drug dealers' story, Rackstraw revisited, Iran, Vietnam, the DBC skills sets (via armory and explosives thefts) -- I'd argue that's all fresh and worth every day of five years, and my wife and I would do it again tomorrow. Plus, I can't tell you what "proof" his estranged relatives are sharing..you'll just have to wait for the big day, like the rest of us. This alleged rabbit hole will be a gold mine...time will tell. TJC ?�゚リノ

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on August 06, 2016, 12:03:03 AM
With a little investigative work I was able to track down one of Bob's estranged relative's that Colbert references in his email to you Bruce. If what she told me when I spoke to her checks out then we have found DBC ladies and gents...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: brbducksfan on August 06, 2016, 01:17:13 AM
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I think Colbert and his crew should of polygraphed Ron Carlson along with Ingrams.

Hi Nickie,

It's nice to see another rookie on the forum!  With regards to polygraphing, I believe they did poly Carlson (and he passed).
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on August 06, 2016, 03:17:42 AM
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I think Colbert and his crew should of polygraphed Ron Carlson along with Ingrams.

Hi Nickie,

It's nice to see another rookie on the forum!  With regards to polygraphing, I believe they did poly Carlson (and he passed).

Thanks Ducksfan and likewise! your right I went back and watched the special they did polygraph Carlson only wish they would of did the Ingrams too.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: brbducksfan on August 06, 2016, 04:44:36 AM
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I think Colbert and his crew should of polygraphed Ron Carlson along with Ingrams.

Hi Nickie,

It's nice to see another rookie on the forum!  With regards to polygraphing, I believe they did poly Carlson (and he passed).

Thanks Ducksfan and likewise! your right I went back and watched the special they did polygraph Carlson only wish they would of did the Ingrams too.

I wish they poly'd Ingram as well - Bruce - could this be one of your follow up Q's to TJC? 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on August 06, 2016, 09:03:00 AM
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With a little investigative work I was able to track down one of Bob's estranged relative's that Colbert references in his email to you Bruce. If what she told me when I spoke to her checks out then we have found DBC ladies and gents...

Care to share what she told you?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 07, 2016, 08:31:08 PM
Colbert Update:

TJC sent me an email last night clarifying some of the points I had raised recently about RWR candidacy.

First, Tom said that he considers that Rackstraw flew into Woodland and parked his plane there for the getaway flight. After landing, RWR walked about ten miles to the plane and flew out, to a destination unknown at this point.

I didn't challenge this perspective, but it does sound extreme. Walking ten miles at night, with what? All of his gear? Only the money? None of it? In a suit? No one saw him?

Plus, I thought the accounts of a small airplane flying out of the LZ-A area was more in the Amboy region. Besides, if Norjak is a one-man job, wouldn't the best way of getting away actually be to park a few beater pick-ups around the area and make your way to one of them, then drive away and ferry the other trucks with an uninformed accomplice over the next few days? I don't get the wisdom of a small plane getaway scenario.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 07, 2016, 08:35:02 PM
Bobby B Update:

Bobby has left town, saying he had to go to Ariel to help prepare for the BBQ. He's not sending emails or responding. So much for the urgency of breaking the DB Cooper case this weekend.

He also dodged my question, asking for a itemized list of revelations from this FBI friend-of-a-friend. All Bobby would commit to is:

1. Norjak was an inside job.
2. The FBI knows Kenny did it.
3. The FBI closed the case because KC is deceased.

That's it. I guess this Turkey's done. Stick a fork in it, please.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on August 07, 2016, 08:39:23 PM
Yep, world wide historical news, and off he goes doing something else?  :)) :)) :)) :))

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on August 07, 2016, 09:04:20 PM
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Bobby B Update:

Bobby has left town, saying he had to go to Ariel to help prepare for the BBQ. He's not sending emails or responding. So much for the urgency of breaking the DB Cooper case this weekend.

He also dodged my question, asking for a itemized list of revelations from this FBI friend-of-a-friend. All Bobby would commit to is:

1. Norjak was an inside job.
2. The FBI knows Kenny did it.
3. The FBI closed the case because KC is deceased.

That's it. I guess this Turkey's done. Stick a fork in it, please.

Bruce, are you sure this is really Blevins posting on your site?   This story is extremely outrageous -- even for Robert.  He's not posting it on his own site (???).  Why is he posting it on your site?  I'm leaning toward hoax -- either by the people Robert heard from, or that's not even Robert posting this.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on August 07, 2016, 09:08:55 PM
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Bobby B Update:

Bobby has left town, saying he had to go to Ariel to help prepare for the BBQ. He's not sending emails or responding. So much for the urgency of breaking the DB Cooper case this weekend.

He also dodged my question, asking for a itemized list of revelations from this FBI friend-of-a-friend. All Bobby would commit to is:

1. Norjak was an inside job.
2. The FBI knows Kenny did it.
3. The FBI closed the case because KC is deceased.

That's it. I guess this Turkey's done. Stick a fork in it, please.

Bruce, are you sure this is really Blevins posting on your site?   This story is extremely outrageous -- even for Robert.  He's not posting it on his own site (???).  Why is he posting it on your site?  I'm leaning toward hoax -- either by the people Robert heard from, or that's not even Robert posting this.


I would think Bruce would know this? it sounds a lot like Robert, so I'm guessing it's him..plus, I'll take another guess that Robert has emailed Bruce at some point with this?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 07, 2016, 09:38:09 PM
All of Bobby's posts on the Mountain News are buttressed by his private emails to me. As a result, I believe that the commentaries attributed to RMB at the MN are Bobby's.

In addition, the lad has sounded scared all weekend. He truly seems to feel that he is out of his league and in personal and legal danger for breach of security issues. As a result he called in the 7th Cav at the Wall Street Journal, Ayn, and the Seattle Times.

Of course, I offered to call these bozos directly, but Bobby declined.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on August 07, 2016, 09:42:28 PM
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All of Bobby's posts on the Mountain News are buttressed by his private emails to me. As a result, I believe that the commentaries attributed to RMB at the MN are Bobby's.

In addition, the lad has sounded scared all weekend. He truly seems to feel that he is out of his league and in personal and legal danger for breach of security issues. As a result he called in the 7th Cav at the Wall Street Journal, Ayn, and the Seattle Times.

Of course, I offered to call these bozos directly, but Bobby declined.


What charges could they bring against him? someone told him something, he's not breaching national security for gods sake.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on August 07, 2016, 09:48:50 PM
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All of Bobby's posts on the Mountain News are buttressed by his private emails to me. As a result, I believe that the commentaries attributed to RMB at the MN are Bobby's.

In addition, the lad has sounded scared all weekend. He truly seems to feel that he is out of his league and in personal and legal danger for breach of security issues. As a result he called in the 7th Cav at the Wall Street Journal, Ayn, and the Seattle Times.

Of course, I offered to call these bozos directly, but Bobby declined.

Ok....the lack of any stated evidence that Kenny was Cooper would trouble me.  Someone could only "fool" someone who is already a true believer.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: brbducksfan on August 07, 2016, 11:15:30 PM
Money shards: I've read about the recent stuff on the '1000's of $ shards' @ Tina Bar, but thus far I haven't found anything from the time of the actual $ find (I'm assuming the tv news footage now pulled from YouTube was 1980 footage).  The shards seem like a big deal to me...are there additional sources discussing the shards when the $ was found?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on August 07, 2016, 11:17:56 PM
That is yet another mystery. Georger, once again has the handle on this. the video that was pulled shows them finding pieces at different levels, but doesn't really state they are finding a whole bunch of them...agents that were there are stating this today though...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on August 07, 2016, 11:22:03 PM
I believe Georger posted the text version of the video a few pages back on the T bar thread....

The text version can be found here...

http://www.thedbcooperforum.com/db-cooper/tina-bar-money-find/2055/
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on August 09, 2016, 09:01:10 PM
Tom Colbert sent me a testimonial from Bill Mitchell to post on the forum, but the format is not allowing me to open it up. I should have it posted soon, once I get another version from Tom....hopefully within the hour...


You can also find lots of information on Tom's site. here is the link  http://dbcooper.com/
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on August 09, 2016, 09:45:31 PM
Cooper’s Trail (for DBCooper.com):
The D.B. Cooper Witness that Fingered Rackstraw
PHOTO HERE (TBA)
Because all three flight attendants on Northwest Flight #305 have been documented as having various levels of trauma-induced memory loss, the Cold Case Team sought out the nearest passenger that, like the others onboard, wasn’t made aware of the ongoing bomb plot. The observations of this college student – sitting directly across from Cooper – are considered by the FBI to be the most reliable and objective. They became the basis for the respected 1972 “Sketch #2.”
On September 21, 2015, the former university sophomore (now 63) agreed to view a series of similar headshot photos. And he began the fascinating test by immediately picking out our skyjacking suspect, Robert W. Rackstraw.
 
“When Tom Colbert called me I was a little reluctant to get involved. After all, it has been over 44 years and I’d told my D.B. Cooper story a million times to the authorities.  Additionally, my dealings with aggressive “Cooperites” had turned me off to the hijacking saga, and I have been purposely avoiding the American media.
But Colbert and the entire cold case team were very persuasive.  Their honesty, attention to detail, and credibility was impressive.  I decided that this would be interesting and a worthwhile effort. So my wife and I decided to take a trip to Portland to meet Colbert and some of his team.
The professionalism of everyone we met, including the production staff, was terrific.  They didn’t try and convince me to say something that I wasn’t comfortable with. Their only agenda was to get to the truth. 
I thought the History Channel show was good, but to really understand their cold case you must read the book, The Last Master Outlaw. I’m not a lawyer, but the amount of coincidental evidence is amazing. I could understand if there were a couple of things that pointed Rackstraw’s way, but to have so many!”

Bill M. Mitchell / former University of Oregon Student

From The Last Master Outlaw
Chapter 20 – “In Conclusion”
(Pages 239-241, with coming additions)


   
By Thomas J. Colbert
Mitchell viewed six old black-and-white photos in a “six-pack” Cooper identity test that was prepared by former Detective Sergeant John Bocciolatt, a cold case team member who had conducted hundreds of such tests while at the Portland Police Bureau.  Warning “it’s been forty-four years,” Mitchell started scanning—then pointed at Rackstraw. But he identified him as Richard McCoy, another cleared hijack suspect.
   When told that was not McCoy, Mitchell’s eyes became very big and he stared back at our man for a few minutes – then shook his head. The former passenger said in all honesty, he couldn’t declare Rackstraw the hijacker. “After all these years, all I can remember is the face on the FBI sketch,” referring to the more accurate second drawing that he helped create.
When my long-time collaborator, state investigator Jay C. Todd (chapter 6), heard a retelling of Mitchell’s closing statement, Todd offered to help connect the dots: He said, “If you compare the sketch to Rackstraw’s 1970 army picture, there are nine absolute points of match—in the brown eyes, ears, noses, short mouths, frown lines, chins, brows, odd head shapes, and male-pattern baldness.” Todd added, “Frankly, it looks like Mitchell’s sketch was traced from his photo.”



A forensic psychologist had another intriguing take.  After viewing Mitchell’s photo-test video, Kris Mohandie, PhD, commented, “I believe it is no coincidence that the witness mistakenly identified this man as another hijacker who had been captured and shown to the media, when in fact he had pointed to the picture of [Rackstraw]. It seems likely the current prime suspect was encoded in the witness’s memory accurately as the hijacker during events so many years before, and he subconsciously made his choice upon that basis. He reacted as if he had seen him before, and with the accompanying label of hijacker.”
   A footnote: While Mitchell had not done any American national media, he did partake in a British documentary in 2008 about Richard McCoy. One might wonder, if he hadn’t been introduced to that hijacker’s story by those producers, what might he have said after pointing at Rackstraw?


Tina Mucklow, the twenty-two-year-old stewardess who sat next to Cooper for hours, became the FBI primary witness. Now in her mid-sixties, she also agreed to sit down for the program, her first television interview since the 1971 Reno press conference (chapter 6). She likewise warned it had been forty-five years—then failed to recognize any of the five pictures put in front of her – all of Rackstraw, I might add.
Mucklow was then shown one of Rackstraw’s KNBC television news video clips, recorded seven years after the hijacking, with him bearded and balding. 
   Mucklow shook her head. “I don’t think so.”
   This improper test, which footage would never be admissible in any court, was conducted by the History Channel production staff. None of our cold case team professionals, including yours truly, were invited to attend this secret interview.
   There have also been serious allegations for decades, however, about Mucklow’s ability to recall anything significant on the plane—and they come from two respected former FBI agents.
   Five years ago, the Mountain News in Washington State reported that two retired lawmen—Salt Lake City special agent in charge Russ Calame and field agent Richard Tosaw—had secured interviews with Mucklow in the 1980s for their separate books on the Cooper case. For most of that decade, she was a nun at the Carmelite Monastery in Eugene, Oregon.
   Both authors felt she was suffering severe memory loss. Calame “came to realize that Tina would never be a credible witness in any Cooper trial because her memory of the skyjacking had become too fuzzy.”
   In the 1991 book he co-authored, D.B. Cooper: The Real McCoy, Calame added, “She tried to cooperate but could remember very little about the skyjacking of Flight 305. She agreed to look through photographs” later, but “I knew as we talked that it wouldn’t be necessary.”
   After Tosaw interviewed Mucklow, he described her “mental state” similarly. She answered most of his questions “with the same response, ‘I can’t remember.’”
   Not only is Mucklow the former primary witness, but she is part of the bureau’s extended family—her recently deceased brother-in-law, Lee E. Dormuth, was a thirty-two-year FBI agent.  So these revelations have left a troubling question: if she was no longer a “credible witness,” she “can’t remember” anything significant, and her recollection is “fuzzy,” why did the bureau assist in setting up this poor woman to judge Rackstraw?
   I followed up this controversy by tracking down the remaining two stewardesses. The senior attendant, Florence “Flo” Schaffner, now sixty-eight, was located in South Carolina.  The final approach was former first-class attendant Alice Hancock, living in Minnesota.  But both, like Mucklow, had memory issues.


   For a professional understanding of these mental-health developments, I sought the guidance of cold case team member Thomas P. Mauriello. Once a former special agent and chief of police with the US Department of Defense, he is now a professor of criminal investigation and forensic sciences at the University of Maryland, where he was recently ranked as one of the “Top 15” CSI professors in the nation.
   Professor Mauriello addressed the outcomes with eyewitnesses Mitchell, Mucklow, Schaffner and Hancock:
   “A crime victim or a witness facing a traumatic event can sometimes experience a ‘memory block’ that results in a loss of information at a conscious level.   It has nothing to do with the time spam between the event and the request for recall, but rather the state of mind of the subject at the time of the event.  Research indicates that there is more opportunity for a witness experiencing anxiety or trauma at the time of an event to have a lack of recall or sometimes a total loss of memory, than with a witness at the same time, place and event who was not experiencing the same anxiety or trauma.    This certainly would explain the lack of memory by the three stewardesses with that of Bill Mitchell, the college student.”
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Post by: MarkBennett on August 09, 2016, 10:42:57 PM
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Tina Mucklow, the twenty-two-year-old stewardess who sat next to Cooper for hours, became the FBI primary witness. Now in her mid-sixties, she also agreed to sit down for the program, her first television interview since the 1971 Reno press conference (chapter 6). She likewise warned it had been forty-five years—then failed to recognize any of the five pictures put in front of her – all of Rackstraw, I might add.

Interesting post, Shutter.  Everyone who doesn't identify Rackstraw is suffering from memory issues, or is really identifying him subconsciously.  It all has to be explained away.  You could probably repeat that quote of Carr's right here again about how people believe in their suspect and nothing can dissuade them.  Isn't that called "motivated cognition"?

And, if you watch the video -- all five pictures put in front of Tina were not of Rackstraw.   You can see a photo of LD Cooper on the coffee table in front of her.  So, it wasn't all Rackstraw.
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Post by: georger on August 09, 2016, 11:47:47 PM
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Tina Mucklow, the twenty-two-year-old stewardess who sat next to Cooper for hours, became the FBI primary witness. Now in her mid-sixties, she also agreed to sit down for the program, her first television interview since the 1971 Reno press conference (chapter 6). She likewise warned it had been forty-five years—then failed to recognize any of the five pictures put in front of her – all of Rackstraw, I might add.

Interesting post, Shutter.  Everyone who doesn't identify Rackstraw is suffering from memory issues, or is really identifying him subconsciously.  It all has to be explained away.  You could probably repeat that quote of Carr's right here again about how people believe in their suspect and nothing can dissuade them.  Isn't that called "motivated cognition"?

And, if you watch the video -- all five pictures put in front of Tina were not of Rackstraw.   You can see a photo of LD Cooper on the coffee table in front of her.  So, it wasn't all Rackstraw.

try http//www.cooper.crisis.next crisis.lastcrisis.latestnewsestcrisis.nothingbutcrisis/uncertainty/TheTeam.com

They have the latest answers you will ever need in your lifetime with D.B.Cooper. Good luck.
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Post by: brbducksfan on August 10, 2016, 02:57:24 AM
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Tina Mucklow, the twenty-two-year-old stewardess who sat next to Cooper for hours, became the FBI primary witness. Now in her mid-sixties, she also agreed to sit down for the program, her first television interview since the 1971 Reno press conference (chapter 6). She likewise warned it had been forty-five years—then failed to recognize any of the five pictures put in front of her – all of Rackstraw, I might add.

Interesting post, Shutter.  Everyone who doesn't identify Rackstraw is suffering from memory issues, or is really identifying him subconsciously.  It all has to be explained away.  You could probably repeat that quote of Carr's right here again about how people believe in their suspect and nothing can dissuade them.  Isn't that called "motivated cognition"?

And, if you watch the video -- all five pictures put in front of Tina were not of Rackstraw.   You can see a photo of LD Cooper on the coffee table in front of her.  So, it wasn't all Rackstraw.

try http//www.cooper.crisis.next crisis.lastcrisis.latestnewsestcrisis.nothingbutcrisis/uncertainty/TheTeam.com

They have the latest answers you will ever need in your lifetime with D.B.Cooper. Good luck.

I tried your link Georger but it's not working....



Just kidding, that was funny!


In all seriousness though, isn't there at least some significance that 1 of the 3 most significant eyewitnesses of the crime thinks DBC could be RWR? 
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 10, 2016, 04:01:24 AM
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“When Tom Colbert called me I was a little reluctant to get involved. After all, it has been over 44 years and I’d told my D.B. Cooper story a million times to the authorities.  Additionally, my dealings with aggressive “Cooperites” had turned me off to the hijacking saga, and I have been purposely avoiding the American media.

But Colbert and the entire cold case team were very persuasive.  Their honesty, attention to detail, and credibility was impressive.  I decided that this would be interesting and a worthwhile effort. So my wife and I decided to take a trip to Portland to meet Colbert and some of his team.
The professionalism of everyone we met, including the production staff, was terrific.  They didn’t try and convince me to say something that I wasn’t comfortable with. Their only agenda was to get to the truth. 


"Aggressive Cooperites?" Does he mean me? Bill has called me twice. Once to say "Hello" and set up a phone interview. The second time was to tell me never to call him again. I didn't call for a year and then last month I called to see if I could send me a copy of my book, especially since he's in a whole chapter. He never replied.

Oddly, I reached out to other "Cooperites" whom I know speak to Bill, and now they're not even talking to me , returning emails, etc.

I feel like I'm turning into the Rodney King of Cooper Land. "Can't we all get along?"
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Post by: EVickiW on August 11, 2016, 03:11:13 PM
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Tom Colbert sent me a testimonial from Bill Mitchell to post on the forum, but the format is not allowing me to open it up. I should have it posted soon, once I get another version from Tom....hopefully within the hour...


You can also find lots of information on Tom's site. here is the link  http://dbcooper.com/

Referring to Bill Mitchell's observations in the HC show:

Mitchell viewed six old black-and-white photos in a “six-pack” Cooper identity test that was prepared by former Detective Sergeant John Bocciolatt, a cold case team member who had conducted hundreds of such tests while at the Portland Police Bureau.  Warning “it’s been forty-four years,” Mitchell started scanning—then pointed at Rackstraw. But he identified him as Richard McCoy, another cleared hijack suspect.

Here is the photo of Rackstraw that was included in the 6-pack of photos along with a photo of McCoy. They may not look identical, but they are both black and white head-shots of two men, within two years age difference  and who look very similar to each other.

Mitchell stated in an interview with the Washington State History Museum that he does not remember a face, but features. He said that Cooper was an old man with a turkey neck. This is a comment that led me down the path of looking for him and showing him photos of my missing father. I spoke with Mitchell prior to the History Channel interview and he agreed to  look at photos/video of my father. This was his response in the email he sent to me:


'Hi Vicki,
I'm not ignoring you, I'm just been thinking and pondering my response. Again it was 43 years ago and I don't have the clear picture in my mind.  But I do remember my reaction to certain things. (as I told the FBI, I was a sophomore at University of Oregon and couldn't understand why this older guy was getting all the attention from the flight attendant!! I checked him out pretty well )
 
OK this is what I've come up with, On the plus side his cheeks, chin and neck looked more like what I thought he looked like.  I had always thought the composite drawing had his face to thin. That isn't much but that is best I can do.  I'll keep looking at the pictures and see if something else comes up."


He also told me that is one of the other witnesses thought that Melvin could be the man on the plane that night, he would be happy to speak with the FBI about his recollection of those features. As far as I know the other witnesses have not seen the photos of Melvin Wilson. 
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Post by: nickyb233 on August 13, 2016, 02:51:07 AM
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With a little investigative work I was able to track down one of Bob's estranged relative's that Colbert references in his email to you Bruce. If what she told me when I spoke to her checks out then we have found DBC ladies and gents...

Care to share what she told you?

Not yet duke all I can say for now is it is from the late wife of his uncle John "Ed" Cooper who was a skydiver that RWR idolized...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on August 14, 2016, 09:48:15 PM
Tom Colbert just sent me another testimonial....

I must admit, I was captivated while reading how this man lied, stole, cheated and scammed his way through the 1970s. When he got off on that murder charge though, it made my stomach turn. But I still couldn't put it down and I'll never forget those pages, because this "outlaw" is my uncle.

I was just a toddler back then when Mom handed me to her ownly sibling. She later told me about growing up with him, then the horrible turn he took. I could see in her eyes just how much it hurt her.

Before Mom died, she said she strongly believed Uncle Bob could be D.B. Cooper. After reading The Last Master Outlaw, I believe she was right.

Michelle N. / Rackstraw's Niece

Note: One of a dozen Rackstraw relatives in touch with this investigation.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 15, 2016, 03:27:37 PM
Billy's Headed to the Big Time

Bill Mitchell is now being touted as "fingering" Rackstraw. Here's the caption under his head shot pix on the Colbert site, dbcooper.com:

"The D.B. Cooper Witness that Fingered Rackstraw"

Does this spin bother anyone? It gives me the creeps.

I'm ready to finger Rackstraw, too, and Colbert, but I think I might use a different finger than Bill. Just sayin'...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 15, 2016, 03:29:49 PM
Shut, I have an idea for a new contest: On a scale of 1-10, how do you rate my chances of getting a Christmas Card from Tom Colbert this year?
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Post by: MarkBennett on August 15, 2016, 04:30:05 PM
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Billy's Headed to the Big Time

Bill Mitchell is now being touted as "fingering" Rackstraw. Here's the caption under his head shot pix on the Colbert site, dbcooper.com:

"The D.B. Cooper Witness that Fingered Rackstraw"

Does this spin bother anyone? It gives me the creeps.

I'm ready to finger Rackstraw, too, and Colbert, but I think I might use a different finger than Bill. Just sayin'...

The article doesn't say what the headline suggests.  So, yes, the spin does bother me.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 15, 2016, 05:36:00 PM
Thank Gawd, Mark. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who gets creeped by Colbert's heavy hand.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on August 15, 2016, 06:03:09 PM
Colbert missed his calling as a prosecutor. He is very effective at getting "convictions" based on circumstantial evidence and witness "shaping".  ;)

377

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 15, 2016, 11:41:44 PM
YES!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: sailshaw on August 29, 2016, 10:11:55 AM
Bruce:   Didn't we rule out Rackstraw as a DB suspect based upon his age (too young)? Tom Colbert is just down the wrong rabbit hole and has spent too much time doing so. I would like to talk with Colbert some time and see what he thinks about Sheridan Peterson and what all I know about him (eg. right age, skin color, experience, did demonstration jumps dressed just like Cooper did later, had his Instructor Skydiving Certification, started the Boeing Skydiving club, was calm cool and collected like Tina observed, Frightful Laughter when asked if he was DB Cooper in the History Channel 4hr program interview, etc...)!!!

Bob Sailshaw
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Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 29, 2016, 02:47:52 PM
Sail, your chance of talking with Colbert about what he thinks of Petey as a suspect has about as much of a chance of happening as me getting a Christmas card from Tom this year.

But, by all means call him! He has a website, which contains contact information.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 30, 2016, 02:48:09 AM
Report from T-Bar

The Travel Channel was at Tina Bar on Sunday, as promised. I'm reluctant to share too many of the details as I'd like to help TC protect its proprietary interests. But Meyer, Robert99 and I were there, along with a half-dozen local sleuths. We were very active looking for Cooper remains and more money, using metal detectors. Plus, I felt that Robert's theories, the Money Find saga, and the DB Cooper story were well-respected and well-told.

It was HOT, and although I drank a bottle of water every half hour I am still in recovery, biochemically. Today, all I can eat is limited amounts of chicken soup and bits of kale from my garden.

I think Cooper World will fully enjoy the TC show, and be appreciative of its honest storytelling.

It was Meyer's first time in front of a camera, and at the beginning he had the "Deer in the Headlight Stare," but he recovered nicely. By the end of the shoot he was really rolling, and ready to receive his Emmy. I had to listen to him rehearsing his acceptance speech all the way home. "Yee Gawd," as my Aunt Teddy used to say. In Yelm, I had to shut him up with Doritos and Gatorade.
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Post by: georger on August 30, 2016, 03:06:30 AM
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Report from T-Bar

The Travel Channel was at Tina Bar on Sunday, as promised. I'm reluctant to share too many of the details as I'd like to help TC protect its proprietary interests. But Meyer, Robert99 and I were there, along with a half-dozen local sleuths. We were very active looking for Cooper remains and more money, using metal detectors. Plus, I felt that Robert's theories, the Money Find saga, and the DB Cooper story were well-respected and well-told.

It was HOT, and although I drank a bottle of water every half hour I am still in recovery, biochemically. Today, all I can eat is limited amounts of chicken soup and bits of kale from my garden.

I think Cooper World will fully enjoy the TC show, and be appreciative of its honest storytelling.

It was Meyer's first time in front of a camera, and at the beginning he had the "Deer in the Headlight Stare," but he recovered nicely. By the end of the shoot he was really rolling, and ready to receive his Emmy. I had to listen to him rehearsing his acceptance speech all the way home. "Yee Gawd," as my Aunt Teddy used to say. In Yelm, I had to shut him up with Doritos and Gatorade.

good report! enjoyable  :))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on August 30, 2016, 12:24:14 PM
Bruce wrote: It was Meyer's first time in front of a camera, and at the beginning he had the "Deer in the Headlight Stare," but he recovered nicely. By the end of the shoot he was really rolling, and ready to receive his Emmy. I had to listen to him rehearsing his acceptance speech all the way home. "Yee Gawd," as my Aunt Teddy used to say. In Yelm, I had to shut him up with Doritos and Gatorade

Looking forward to Meyer's screen debut. How about you Bruce? Will you appear in a speaking role?

I really wish ground penetrating radar had been available. Metal detectors are better than nothing, but offer nowhere near the info that the radar can provide.

377
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 30, 2016, 03:27:20 PM
Of course, I spoke. It would be hard to imagine that I would ever let a microphone pas by my lips and not utter my deepest thoughts....
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: sailshaw on August 31, 2016, 10:41:25 AM
Shutter:  Did you notice in the 4hr History Channel production that Billy Jensen must  have read my FLAW in Sheridan's phony alibi that I posted  here and then he proceeded to poo poo that having about 14 months (before Norjak) in the case of his son's birth in Nepal and 11 months (after Norjak) in the case of his daughter's birth in Nepal, "did not make any sense to him"!!!  When it only takes two days to fly from Nepal to (PDX) Portland, Oregon. Sheridan had plenty of time (at least 11 months). It would suggest to me that Sheridan sent a birth certificate copy of his daughter with the date altered (1972 to 1971) to show he was delivering his daughter at the time of Norjak in 1971.  The FBI must have bought the doctored birth certificate story and did not check the Public Records (at persopo.com). That FLAW in Sheridan's phony alibi shows that he lied to the FBI (a Federal crime/jail time) because none of his children were born in the year of Norjak (1971).
   So, why did Billy Jensen leap to such a bad conclusion. Was he being told to do it to cover the FBI not following up on the FLAW in Sheridan's alibi? That way the Seattle FBI office could close the case this year. Does that sound like a cover-up by the Seattle office (Curtis Eng)? It sure looks that way to me. Why the cover-up and closure of the case? We were getting too close to solving the case and it would make the FBI look bad having not been able to do it in 45 years or was Sheridan claiming to be doing it for the CIA? The truth usually comes out in the future and the cover-ups (lies) usually fall apart. I just don't like being lied to.

Bob Sailshaw
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Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on August 31, 2016, 01:45:18 PM
I DID notice that Billy used your birth date Sailshaw, not the one the FBI uses, which was interesting. But that didn't convince Billy that Sheridan was DBC.

It's wildly speculative to assume that there is a CIA/FBI conspiracy to cover up DBC's real identity. What evidence supports this theory?

Sheridan Peterson had, by his own admission, EVERY skill needed to pull off NOJACK, including links to the CIA through smoke jumper friends who were Air America kickers in Viet Nam. There is, however,  zero direct non-circumstantial evidence that he did the crime.

The FBI's interest in Sheridan continued AFTER his birth date based Nepal alibi, but ceased after they got a DNA sample. That tells you something: the FBI didn't believe his Nepal alibi. That's why they dispatched MJF out for a DNA sample.

Entertain for a moment the thought that the FBI may actually still  have the cig butts ands extracted good enough DNA samples to rule out suspects. Suppose Sheridan was ruled out this way.

That seems more likely to me than a big FBI/CIA conspiracy and coverup.

Skills, opportunity and possible motive may cause you to suspect Sheridan, but it doesn't prove he committed the crime.

Even if he lied to the FBI about birth dates they wouldn't refer it for prosecution if they believe Sheridan is innocent of NORJACK. They simply would let it go. Proving that somebody lied about a birth date is hard. They could have just been mistaken or misspoke. Burden of proof is on the prosecution.

377



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Post by: sailshaw on September 01, 2016, 11:46:59 AM
377 - You say:  "Entertain for a moment the thought that the FBI may actually still  have the cig butts ands extracted good enough DNA samples to rule out suspects. Suppose Sheridan was ruled out this way."

I say:  "I think the FBI continues to try and match DNA with their poor samples from the Tie left on the plane, none of which was from DB Cooper/Sheridan Peterson. The only good things found on the Tie were the Titanium (both types pure/alloy) as that pointed directly to the same building that Sheridan worked in (9-101 bldg). That was the M & P Lab (Materials and Processing Lab) on the main floor and Sheridan's office at Boeing was directly above the Lab on the 2nd floor. My office was just South of Sheridan's and also on the 2nd floor. The FBI have been so close but unable to think outside of their restricted "Box". Boeing was dismissed by Tom Kaye as he leaped to the wrong conclusion that Boeing was not using powered pure Titanium but only alloy Titanium. That mistake caused the Tie to end as a pointer to the M & P Lab at Boeing. Almost as bad as the refusal to test the four letters for DNA (under the stamps and envelope flaps) and compare that with what they have from Sheridan. Then the refusal to get Sheridan on his lie to the FBI (a Federal Crime with jail time) about where he was at Norjak time was the final big mistake by the Seattle FBI office. They probably can't find the coffee machine in their own office either!"

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on September 08, 2016, 07:12:47 PM
Per TC a lawsuit was filed today in DC against The FBI to release Rackstraws files.  8)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on September 08, 2016, 08:15:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toGHqIj8Qo8
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on September 08, 2016, 09:50:50 PM
When I see Mr. Zaid, I think of the old saying:

A lawyer with the facts on his side hammers on the facts.
A lawyer with the law on his side  hammers on the law.
A lawyer with neither the facts nor the law on his side hammers on the table.

I think I saw a table in that video. ;D
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: brbducksfan on September 08, 2016, 09:56:57 PM
As previously discussed, Mark Zaid is a big-time national security attorney within the DC beltway...for the specialized areas within which he practices, he probably has the best W/L record in the country...I am very curious to see how this plays...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on September 08, 2016, 10:06:05 PM
The FBI always uses the "open case" clause. I'm guessing they have concluded Rackstraw wasn't Cooper, and just don't think they owe anyone an explanation. I'm sure they know just a little bit more than we do...

Duane Weber has an extensive file with the FBI, but Jo refuses to give up..."Duane is Cooper"
Robert Blevins has sent the FBI several documents with all his "evidence" and zip has happened. "Kenny is Cooper"

It appears the same is going on in this case...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 08, 2016, 11:34:13 PM
Yes, but now Jo is tying Duane into RWR, too! I got an "urgent" email from her today asking for the contact information for RWR.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on September 08, 2016, 11:50:12 PM
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Yes, but now Jo is tying Duane into RWR, too! I got an "urgent" email from her today asking for the contact information for RWR.

Put them together ASAP!  O0 :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 09, 2016, 02:01:42 AM
With Petey!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on September 09, 2016, 02:14:40 AM
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Bruce wrote: It was Meyer's first time in front of a camera, and at the beginning he had the "Deer in the Headlight Stare," but he recovered nicely. By the end of the shoot he was really rolling, and ready to receive his Emmy. I had to listen to him rehearsing his acceptance speech all the way home. "Yee Gawd," as my Aunt Teddy used to say. In Yelm, I had to shut him up with Doritos and Gatorade

Looking forward to Meyer's screen debut. How about you Bruce? Will you appear in a speaking role?

I really wish ground penetrating radar had been available. Metal detectors are better than nothing, but offer nowhere near the info that the radar can provide.

377

It was a great experience at Tina Bar with Expedition Unknown.  Got to be face to face with a  real famous guy, Josh Gates.  The cameras, the crew, the takes and re-takes, all new  for me.  Bruce is correct, I was really nervous at first (and verbalized that fact to one of the directors), but it got better as the shoot progressed.  I was so hyped up on the way home, I couldn't, or should I say, wouldn't, shut up.  I think Bruce got the Doritos and Gatorade just to get away from me.  Fantastic thing -- a bucket list experience.  I will never forget it.  Hope we did right by y'all.  Meyer
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Post by: georger on September 09, 2016, 02:34:40 AM
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Bruce wrote: It was Meyer's first time in front of a camera, and at the beginning he had the "Deer in the Headlight Stare," but he recovered nicely. By the end of the shoot he was really rolling, and ready to receive his Emmy. I had to listen to him rehearsing his acceptance speech all the way home. "Yee Gawd," as my Aunt Teddy used to say. In Yelm, I had to shut him up with Doritos and Gatorade

Looking forward to Meyer's screen debut. How about you Bruce? Will you appear in a speaking role?

I really wish ground penetrating radar had been available. Metal detectors are better than nothing, but offer nowhere near the info that the radar can provide.

377

It was a great experience at Tina Bar with Expedition Unknown.  Got to be face to face with a  real famous guy, Josh Gates.  The cameras, the crew, the takes and re-takes, all new  for me.  Bruce is correct, I was really nervous at first (and verbalized that fact to one of the directors), but it got better as the shoot progressed.  I was so hyped up on the way home, I couldn't, or should I say, wouldn't, shut up.  I think Bruce got the Doritos and Gatorade just to get away from me.  Fantastic thing -- a bucket list experience.  I will never forget it.  Hope we did right by y'all.  Meyer

I will be up front about this.  I recommended you *highly. I thought you were a good match for R99 not to mention you had the background, been there before, technical skills and experience, etc etc etc. From what I hear you did fine before the camera and the audio was good. I'm glad you had this experience Meyer. It kind of brings things full circle for you. It makes the time you spent working at Dropzone worth the effort. You made some real contributions at Dropzone whether you know it or not. Im glad you had this opportunity. Congrats Meyer and I mean that! 

G

 
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Post by: MeyerLouie on September 09, 2016, 03:20:10 AM
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Bruce wrote: It was Meyer's first time in front of a camera, and at the beginning he had the "Deer in the Headlight Stare," but he recovered nicely. By the end of the shoot he was really rolling, and ready to receive his Emmy. I had to listen to him rehearsing his acceptance speech all the way home. "Yee Gawd," as my Aunt Teddy used to say. In Yelm, I had to shut him up with Doritos and Gatorade

Looking forward to Meyer's screen debut. How about you Bruce? Will you appear in a speaking role?

I really wish ground penetrating radar had been available. Metal detectors are better than nothing, but offer nowhere near the info that the radar can provide.

377

It was a great experience at Tina Bar with Expedition Unknown.  Got to be face to face with a  real famous guy, Josh Gates.  The cameras, the crew, the takes and re-takes, all new  for me.  Bruce is correct, I was really nervous at first (and verbalized that fact to one of the directors), but it got better as the shoot progressed.  I was so hyped up on the way home, I couldn't, or should I say, wouldn't, shut up.  I think Bruce got the Doritos and Gatorade just to get away from me.  Fantastic thing -- a bucket list experience.  I will never forget it.  Hope we did right by y'all.  Meyer

I will be up front about this.  I recommended you *highly. I thought you were a good match for R99 not to mention you had the background, been there before, technical skills and experience, etc etc etc. From what I hear you did fine before the camera and the audio was good. I'm glad you had this experience Meyer. It kind of brings things full circle for you. It makes the time you spent working at Dropzone worth the effort. You made some real contributions at Dropzone whether you know it or not. Im glad you had this opportunity. Congrats Meyer and I mean that! 

G

Thanks a million Georger for the kind words and for the recommendation.  Yes, I was thinking the same thing, it brought things full circle and pulled a lot of things -- effort, travel, study, dropzone collaboration -- together.  It's an opportunity I will always cherish.  Thanks again for your encouragement and kind words.  Meyer
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on September 09, 2016, 08:47:12 AM
I'll post this link, even though I haven't read it yet...getting ready to head out to the Battle At Bristol. Look for me on TV, I'll be the one wearing orange  :).

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/08/self-styled-sleuths-sue-fbi-for-db-cooper-files.html

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on September 09, 2016, 12:32:55 PM
I have proof Airborne Bob knew Tina Mucklow and she helped him. I have been kicked off the colbert cold case team,  TJC can stick it where the sun don't shine!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on September 09, 2016, 01:16:35 PM
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I have proof Airborne Bob knew Tina Mucklow and she helped him. I have been kicked off the colbert cold case team,  TJC can stick it where the sun don't shine!

Plz share info on the proof you have.
Also why would u be kicked off Colberts team?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 09, 2016, 03:46:00 PM
Nicky, maybe Tina will send you a Christmas card, since it's clear you're not going to get one from Tommy.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 09, 2016, 03:47:04 PM
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I'll post this link, even though I haven't read it yet...getting ready to head out to the Battle At Bristol. Look for me on TV, I'll be the one wearing orange  :).

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/08/self-styled-sleuths-sue-fbi-for-db-cooper-files.html

Interesting news item. Colbert is suing the FBI for ALL the Norjak files. Whew.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on September 09, 2016, 03:56:32 PM
He has a very savvy lawyer representing him. The ensuing litigation will be interesting.

Personally I don't think the identity of DBC resides in any previously undisclosed FBI files.

The case is a black eye for the FBI, they'd love to solve it in my opinion.

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 09, 2016, 09:59:11 PM
Yeah, Mark Zaid appears to be an very high-octane-rated kind of lawyer. Beltway. Successful. Confident, and polished in front of the cameras.

But Airborne Bob???
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on September 10, 2016, 03:17:03 AM
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Bruce wrote: It was Meyer's first time in front of a camera, and at the beginning he had the "Deer in the Headlight Stare," but he recovered nicely. By the end of the shoot he was really rolling, and ready to receive his Emmy. I had to listen to him rehearsing his acceptance speech all the way home. "Yee Gawd," as my Aunt Teddy used to say. In Yelm, I had to shut him up with Doritos and Gatorade

Looking forward to Meyer's screen debut. How about you Bruce? Will you appear in a speaking role?

I really wish ground penetrating radar had been available. Metal detectors are better than nothing, but offer nowhere near the info that the radar can provide.

377

It was a great experience at Tina Bar with Expedition Unknown.  Got to be face to face with a  real famous guy, Josh Gates.  The cameras, the crew, the takes and re-takes, all new  for me.  Bruce is correct, I was really nervous at first (and verbalized that fact to one of the directors), but it got better as the shoot progressed.  I was so hyped up on the way home, I couldn't, or should I say, wouldn't, shut up.  I think Bruce got the Doritos and Gatorade just to get away from me.  Fantastic thing -- a bucket list experience.  I will never forget it.  Hope we did right by y'all.  Meyer

I will be up front about this.  I recommended you *highly. I thought you were a good match for R99 not to mention you had the background, been there before, technical skills and experience, etc etc etc. From what I hear you did fine before the camera and the audio was good. I'm glad you had this experience Meyer. It kind of brings things full circle for you. It makes the time you spent working at Dropzone worth the effort. You made some real contributions at Dropzone whether you know it or not. Im glad you had this opportunity. Congrats Meyer and I mean that! 

G

 

Let me say one more thing here.  It was a pleasure to see and work with Robert 99 again at Tina Bar on August 28th.  I was honored to join him in 2013 when we did our first search at Tina Bar.  R99 is bright, a very kind man, and he is very thorough in his work and research.  I have great respect for him, and I consider it an honor to have stood along side him at the Travel Channel shoot.  Bruce, R99, and myself standing side by side for a good part of the shoot -- picture that.  I don't think you will find three guys any more different.  That's what makes all of this so interesting -- most Cooper boys (and Vicki too, sorry) come from such diverse backgrounds and interests.  We're a diverse bunch for sure -- from all walks of life.  I think that came through loud and clear at Tina Bar.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on September 10, 2016, 09:30:05 PM
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Bruce wrote: It was Meyer's first time in front of a camera, and at the beginning he had the "Deer in the Headlight Stare," but he recovered nicely. By the end of the shoot he was really rolling, and ready to receive his Emmy. I had to listen to him rehearsing his acceptance speech all the way home. "Yee Gawd," as my Aunt Teddy used to say. In Yelm, I had to shut him up with Doritos and Gatorade

Looking forward to Meyer's screen debut. How about you Bruce? Will you appear in a speaking role?

I really wish ground penetrating radar had been available. Metal detectors are better than nothing, but offer nowhere near the info that the radar can provide.

377

It was a great experience at Tina Bar with Expedition Unknown.  Got to be face to face with a  real famous guy, Josh Gates.  The cameras, the crew, the takes and re-takes, all new  for me.  Bruce is correct, I was really nervous at first (and verbalized that fact to one of the directors), but it got better as the shoot progressed.  I was so hyped up on the way home, I couldn't, or should I say, wouldn't, shut up.  I think Bruce got the Doritos and Gatorade just to get away from me.  Fantastic thing -- a bucket list experience.  I will never forget it.  Hope we did right by y'all.  Meyer

I will be up front about this.  I recommended you *highly. I thought you were a good match for R99 not to mention you had the background, been there before, technical skills and experience, etc etc etc. From what I hear you did fine before the camera and the audio was good. I'm glad you had this experience Meyer. It kind of brings things full circle for you. It makes the time you spent working at Dropzone worth the effort. You made some real contributions at Dropzone whether you know it or not. Im glad you had this opportunity. Congrats Meyer and I mean that! 

G

 

Let me say one more thing here.  It was a pleasure to see and work with Robert 99 again at Tina Bar on August 28th.  I was honored to join him in 2013 when we did our first search at Tina Bar.  R99 is bright, a very kind man, and he is very thorough in his work and research.  I have great respect for him, and I consider it an honor to have stood along side him at the Travel Channel shoot.  Bruce, R99, and myself standing side by side for a good part of the shoot -- picture that.  I don't think you will find three guys any more different.  That's what makes all of this so interesting -- most Cooper boys (and Vicki too, sorry) come from such diverse backgrounds and interests.  We're a diverse bunch for sure -- from all walks of life.  I think that came through loud and clear at Tina Bar.

I was ALWAYS the one in the middle! :)  I guess that makes me the buffer or something.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on September 19, 2016, 02:30:14 PM
Did anyone watch part one of the CBS special on JonBenet Ramsey?  It struck me as very similar to what Tom Colbert did in "Case Closed".

First, it was a lot of "appeal to authority".  Lots of experts with lots of credentials assembled.
Then, these experts speculated about the motives of individuals based on their works, actions or facial expressions.  The credentials were used to add credibility, but when you boil it down, it was really all speculation.

Tonight, they are going to point to their conclusion.  They seem to be hinting they believe JonBenet's nine year old brother killed her by hitting her on the head with a flashlight and the family staged the kidnapping and strangling to cover it up.

I'm not making an opinion on the JonBenet case.  Lots of weird behaviors, circumstances and things that can't be explained.

But watching their methodology, I couldn't help feeling I'd seen this before.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 19, 2016, 03:30:44 PM
Thanks, Mark. I know it's a bit off-topic, but I like your insights.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on September 19, 2016, 04:13:30 PM
http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2001/03lrams.html

Hard to know what caused the head injury and when it occurred.

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Parrotheadvol on September 19, 2016, 10:53:49 PM
I've watched both nights of it and really have enjoyed it. I had the same thoughts in regards to the similarities to the DB Cooper special.

I've always thought that one of the family members was the guilty party in the Ramsey case. Looks like they tend to agree.

Also, I find Laura Richards to be very easy on the eyes.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on September 20, 2016, 01:58:29 AM
Looks like we have solved two age old mysteries within a matter of months. Burke killed his sister and Robert W Rackstraw is DB Cooper. I have obtained hard evidence linking Airborne Bob and Harold Ingram and in fact I have proof of their correspondence as recently as this year. They have been friends since the 60's and I can prove it!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 20, 2016, 03:20:00 AM
So prove it, Nick.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on September 20, 2016, 06:48:47 PM
Unfortunately I can't say much on here Bruce...to many eyes on this forum.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on September 20, 2016, 06:58:16 PM
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Unfortunately I can't say much on here Bruce...to many eyes on this forum.


Then you shouldn't really bring it up then?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on September 20, 2016, 07:10:47 PM
Your right shutt I have been put in a very tough position with all this information I have.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on September 20, 2016, 07:35:00 PM
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Your right shutt I have been put in a very tough position with all this information I have.

I understand the position, but this is a public forum. if time is needed, that's cool  O0
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on September 20, 2016, 10:14:22 PM
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Did anyone watch part one of the CBS special on JonBenet Ramsey?  It struck me as very similar to what Tom Colbert did in "Case Closed".

First, it was a lot of "appeal to authority".  Lots of experts with lots of credentials assembled.
Then, these experts speculated about the motives of individuals based on their works, actions or facial expressions.  The credentials were used to add credibility, but when you boil it down, it was really all speculation.

Tonight, they are going to point to their conclusion.  They seem to be hinting they believe JonBenet's nine year old brother killed her by hitting her on the head with a flashlight and the family staged the kidnapping and strangling to cover it up.

I'm not making an opinion on the JonBenet case.  Lots of weird behaviors, circumstances and things that can't be explained.

But watching their methodology, I couldn't help feeling I'd seen this before.

Mark:  I posted a response to the JonBenet case on the Off Topic board -- something you probably should have done.  I watched everything I could watch and studied the JonBenet case on the internet, for hours actually.  How do you figure it was all speculation?  Couldn't disagree more?  You had seven top experts in their fields of investigation rendering their opinions.  CBS went to the trouble of reconstructing the Ramsey house as it was back in 1996.  The analysis was very methodical, laid back, and I think their investigation is far better than that pathetic District Attorney's office in Boulder.  They say the boy, Burke, killed Jon Benet, unintentionally.  They laid out a good, solid case -- beyond just speculation.  Many things were explained.

Meyer
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on September 20, 2016, 10:29:48 PM
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Did anyone watch part one of the CBS special on JonBenet Ramsey?  It struck me as very similar to what Tom Colbert did in "Case Closed".

First, it was a lot of "appeal to authority".  Lots of experts with lots of credentials assembled.
Then, these experts speculated about the motives of individuals based on their works, actions or facial expressions.  The credentials were used to add credibility, but when you boil it down, it was really all speculation.

Tonight, they are going to point to their conclusion.  They seem to be hinting they believe JonBenet's nine year old brother killed her by hitting her on the head with a flashlight and the family staged the kidnapping and strangling to cover it up.

I'm not making an opinion on the JonBenet case.  Lots of weird behaviors, circumstances and things that can't be explained.

But watching their methodology, I couldn't help feeling I'd seen this before.

Mark:  I posted a response to the JonBenet case on the Off Topic board -- something you probably should have done.  I watched everything I could watch and studied the JonBenet case on the internet, for hours actually.  How do you figure it was all speculation?  Couldn't disagree more?  You had seven top experts in their fields of investigation rendering their opinions.  CBS went to the trouble of reconstructing the Ramsey house as it was back in 1996.  The analysis was very methodical, laid back, and I think their investigation is far better than that pathetic District Attorney's office in Boulder.  They say the boy, Burke, killed Jon Benet, unintentionally.  They laid out a good, solid case -- beyond just speculation.  Many things were explained.

Meyer

Hi, Meyer,

I was split between posting it in the "off topic" forum or the "DB Cooper Case Closed History Channel" forum.  My main point was not to comment directly on the JonBenet Ramsey case, but to point out the format of this special was almost exactly the same as what Tom Colbert did in this History Channel special -- establish the credentials of some experts and use that to give greater weight to their opinions.  Since there was a topic talking about the history channel special, it was a good place for it. Once we start talking about the Ramsey case itself, it becomes off topic.

In that light, I'll respond to your post about the Ramsey case in the off topic section.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on September 20, 2016, 11:34:39 PM
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Did anyone watch part one of the CBS special on JonBenet Ramsey?  It struck me as very similar to what Tom Colbert did in "Case Closed".

First, it was a lot of "appeal to authority".  Lots of experts with lots of credentials assembled.
Then, these experts speculated about the motives of individuals based on their works, actions or facial expressions.  The credentials were used to add credibility, but when you boil it down, it was really all speculation.

Tonight, they are going to point to their conclusion.  They seem to be hinting they believe JonBenet's nine year old brother killed her by hitting her on the head with a flashlight and the family staged the kidnapping and strangling to cover it up.

I'm not making an opinion on the JonBenet case.  Lots of weird behaviors, circumstances and things that can't be explained.

But watching their methodology, I couldn't help feeling I'd seen this before.

Mark:  I posted a response to the JonBenet case on the Off Topic board -- something you probably should have done.  I watched everything I could watch and studied the JonBenet case on the internet, for hours actually.  How do you figure it was all speculation?  Couldn't disagree more?  You had seven top experts in their fields of investigation rendering their opinions.  CBS went to the trouble of reconstructing the Ramsey house as it was back in 1996.  The analysis was very methodical, laid back, and I think their investigation is far better than that pathetic District Attorney's office in Boulder.  They say the boy, Burke, killed Jon Benet, unintentionally.  They laid out a good, solid case -- beyond just speculation.  Many things were explained.

Meyer

Hi, Meyer,

I was split between posting it in the "off topic" forum or the "DB Cooper Case Closed History Channel" forum.  My main point was not to comment directly on the JonBenet Ramsey case, but to point out the format of this special was almost exactly the same as what Tom Colbert did in this History Channel special -- establish the credentials of some experts and use that to give greater weight to their opinions.  Since there was a topic talking about the history channel special, it was a good place for it. Once we start talking about the Ramsey case itself, it becomes off topic.

In that light, I'll respond to your post about the Ramsey case in the off topic section.

Where is this Off Topic thread? Looked but dont see it here ?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MarkBennett on September 21, 2016, 12:44:49 AM
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Where is this Off Topic thread? Looked but dont see it here ?

Looks like you found it, but if anyone else is looking for it, go to the "home" page, but then go to "New Board" rather than "DB Cooper".
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2016, 10:16:05 PM
A recent podcast with Tom Colbert...the video is over 2 hours long, so you need to jump to 1 hour, and 4 minutes to find Tom's segment..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgGinnpB-hU
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: DerekGodsey12 on October 20, 2016, 01:46:09 PM
Norman DeWinter having a smoke during Vietnam.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: DerekGodsey12 on October 20, 2016, 02:03:24 PM
Norm!!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: DerekGodsey12 on October 20, 2016, 02:11:18 PM
Airborne Norm
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on October 20, 2016, 06:13:27 PM
Keep bob talking Derek good work he has already admitted to me that he was in fact the infamous Norman DeWinter.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 20, 2016, 07:44:18 PM
Attention Derekgodsey12,

I'm getting the feeling of spamming a suspect here. I will not tolerate over posting of things. hopefully, you will understand my position. nobody has been able to actually prove Dewinters, and Rackstraw are one in the same, so please settle down on multiple postings, specially, one word comments.

I give everyone a chance to show any evidence they have, but postings such as the ones above don't help in this investigation..

Are we clear about this?

Thank You
Shutter

I have also removed a picture due to copyright reasons. I'm receiving multiple complaints about your background. you are skating on very thin ice here. I suggest you learn how to properly address things while posting on this forum. posting threads, or screenshots of other comments without reason other than exposure will not be tolerated on this forum.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 20, 2016, 09:59:38 PM
Colbert Lawsuit Update

Any news?

Any updates?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on October 20, 2016, 10:01:15 PM
I Disagree shutter this is a public forum hes got airborne bob talking do not shut the man down!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on October 20, 2016, 10:11:16 PM
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I Disagree shutter this is a public forum hes got airborne bob talking do not shut the man down!

I totally agree with Nickyb233...he has put up some very interesting stuff that no one else has.
I'd like to see the photo that was taken down. Maybe share the link if possible? Much respect.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: EVickiW on October 20, 2016, 10:12:21 PM
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Airborne Norm

So Derek. Are you pretending to be a woman to get Bob talking?  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008969142335&fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab&pnref=friends.all

Hmmmn. Who else has gone through those hoops. Someone wanted Marla talking. Hmmmn.

If this is not you, then I do not see the connection to your post. 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: DerekGodsey12 on October 20, 2016, 10:17:50 PM
Lots of medals that other men earned.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on October 20, 2016, 10:19:43 PM
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Lots of medals that other men earned.

Wow looks like he has a turkey neck!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 20, 2016, 10:20:21 PM
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Airborne Norm

So Derek. Are you pretending to be a woman to get Bob talking?  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008969142335&fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab&pnref=friends.all

Hmmmn. Who else has gone through those hoops. Someone wanted Marla talking. Hmmmn.

If this is not you, then I do not see the connection to your post.


Thanks for the update.
I was aware of the possibility of Derek not presenting his/herself properly through a phone call earlier, the link is broken you posted? Rackstraw seems to be a rather good story teller. I received an email from him several months ago stating he was homeless, so it's going to be really hard to believe anything he states online without verification.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: DerekGodsey12 on October 20, 2016, 10:21:15 PM
Ok, but copyright? These are mine
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on October 20, 2016, 10:22:31 PM
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Airborne Norm

So Derek. Are you pretending to be a woman to get Bob talking?  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008969142335&fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab&pnref=friends.all

Hmmmn. Who else has gone through those hoops. Someone wanted Marla talking. Hmmmn.

If this is not you, then I do not see the connection to your post.


Thanks for the update.
I was aware of the possibility of Derek not presenting his/herself properly through a phone call earlier, the link is broken you posted? Rackstraw seems to be a rather good story teller. I received an email from him several months ago stating he was homeless, so it's going to be really hard to believe anything he states online without verification.

Shutter...bob saying he is homeless is actually kinda true. He lives on his boat
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: George21226 on October 20, 2016, 10:23:02 PM
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I Disagree shutter this is a public forum hes got airborne bob talking do not shut the man down!

I totally agree with Nickyb233...he has put up some very interesting stuff that no one else has.
I'd like to see the photo that was taken down. Maybe share the link if possible? Much respect.

Interesting post Derek is making.  Rackstraw probably playing with him though
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: DerekGodsey12 on October 20, 2016, 10:28:53 PM
Mr. Shutter is the boss, didn't know the rules sorry, but I'm violating no copyright laws TRUST ME :)


Colberts number has been removed due to Mr. Colbert not wanting to be associated with the individual posting the number...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 20, 2016, 10:30:39 PM
whos phone numbers are you posting...again?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: DerekGodsey12 on October 20, 2016, 10:35:29 PM
Google it Sir,
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Post by: Shutter on October 20, 2016, 10:39:15 PM
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Google it Sir,

Is the number above Colberts from your phone?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 20, 2016, 10:42:09 PM
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Shutter...bob saying he is homeless is actually kinda true. He lives on his boat

I seen his boat, which is a yacht, not something a homeless person would have. plus he was asking me for money..
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 20, 2016, 10:43:55 PM
Now, I sent Colbert an email about you posting his number. he is not very happy being connected to you, and wants it removed ASAP.

Quote
Absolutely not.  Please do not allow my phone number to be posted/connected to Derek.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on October 20, 2016, 10:44:37 PM
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Shutter...bob saying he is homeless is actually kinda true. He lives on his boat

I seen his boat, which is a yacht, not something a homeless person would have. plus he was asking me for money..

Shutter my apologies, what I meant by my comment was he dosent live in a home but rather a boat. That's why I could see him claiming to be homeless as somewhat true.
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Post by: Shutter on October 20, 2016, 10:46:14 PM
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Shutter...bob saying he is homeless is actually kinda true. He lives on his boat

I seen his boat, which is a yacht, not something a homeless person would have. plus he was asking me for money..

Shutter my apologies, what I meant by my comment was he dosent live in a home but rather a boat. That's why I could see him claiming to be homeless as somewhat true.


no biggie  :))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Chad Triplett on October 20, 2016, 10:48:52 PM
Food for thought...I've personally witnessed Airborne using fack accounts to post on other forums. I think he gets a kick out of it. May want to verify who Derek is or isn't.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 20, 2016, 10:59:05 PM
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Food for thought...I've personally witnessed Airborne using fack accounts to post on other forums. I think he gets a kick out of it. May want to verify who Nicky is or isn't.

Nicky was put on my watch list a couple weeks ago, and is pushing me further with the shutting down comment. I have to watch whats posted here. when I get complaints, I have to act on them. some things are not adding up at this point, so I have to watch what is going on, and act accordingly. removing things such as phone numbers have already been discussed, and they continue to be a problem. I can post pictures all day long and tell you they are mine. that tells me nothing. rapid postings will not be tolerated either. I asked very nicely to present things properly. I'm not seeing that yet, and will take further action if it continues.

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 20, 2016, 11:09:16 PM
Derek, you left me no choice but to stop your posting at this point. Mr. Colbert does not grant you permission to post private messages on a public forum. I warned you several times about numbers, and showed a quote directly from Mr. Colbert against the posting of his information.

Shutter
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 20, 2016, 11:23:56 PM
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Food for thought...I've personally witnessed Airborne using fack accounts to post on other forums. I think he gets a kick out of it. May want to verify who Nicky is or isn't.

I think he enjoys the attention, and will say what ever is necessary to keep people interested.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 20, 2016, 11:31:17 PM
As for Derek, I had to put a stop to the postings. I have good sources telling me that graphic photo's will follow with the rapid posting that were being made. perhaps, some people would like Derek to continue, but until I get all the facts surrounding this person, I must put a halt to the comments for the time being. he was asked several times to stop posting phone numbers, but decided to continue.

Again, I think people know Rackstraw isn't the most honest guy out there, so all of this could be more deception that leads nowhere, and does nothing but jam up the forum. I'm having Robert Blevins flashbacks...

Update: It wasn't just Colbert complaining. other messages were shown where permission was not grated for them either. my phone, and email lit up for some time. 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on October 20, 2016, 11:53:02 PM
I must tip my hat off to you derek for posing as a women and contacting AB on his fb...just brilliant! Great minds think a like...I had thought of doing the same but looks like you beat me to it. I sent you a pm check your inbox.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 21, 2016, 01:42:08 AM
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I must tip my hat off to you derek for posing as a women and contacting AB on his fb...just brilliant! Great minds think a like...I had thought of doing the same but looks like you beat me to it. I sent you a pm check your inbox.

It was a good move, but how do you know Rackstraw isn't now trying to impress the "lady" with deception? you still have the problem of Rackstraw not being an honest person who ever you send in to talk with him? you have two people lying?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on October 21, 2016, 02:33:29 AM
Shut Ab told me the same story about his lunch and model airplane being in that bag so unless he is spinning the same story to both of us...I find it very interesting.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 21, 2016, 04:10:33 AM
Gentlemen, what could you possibly believe from Bob Rackstraw?

Can you give me any scenario that could be believed?

Is there any set of circumstances that would compel a fellow who seems to be a sociopath to change? If his family members are calling him "Bullshit Bob" and a "murderer," what could reverse that?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: EVickiW on October 21, 2016, 11:35:05 AM
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Airborne Norm

So Derek. Are you pretending to be a woman to get Bob talking?  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008969142335&fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab&pnref=friends.all

Hmmmn. Who else has gone through those hoops. Someone wanted Marla talking. Hmmmn.

If this is not you, then I do not see the connection to your post.


Thanks for the update.
I was aware of the possibility of Derek not presenting his/herself properly through a phone call earlier, the link is broken you posted? Rackstraw seems to be a rather good story teller. I received an email from him several months ago stating he was homeless, so it's going to be really hard to believe anything he states online without verification.

Here....I cleaned up the link. It should work now. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008969142335

In a previous post, Derek posted a photo of a Facebook notification of a "Kelly Young" with Airborne Bob tagging her in a photo (attached).

I thought, what the hell has this post have to do with anything. Unless Derek made a fake Facebook page and has been speaking with Bob in private messaging. I originally looked at Bob's friend list and associated the photo from the one posted here to the Facebook page of Kelly Young. From the looks of Airborne Bob's page, https://www.facebook.com/airborne.bob.7, he will accept anyone who sends him a friend request.

I just looked at Bob's friend list again and notice Kelly Young is no longer Bob's virtual friend  ::). Did Derek remove the "friendship" or did Bob?

According to Derek's page in this forum, he is using the name he uses here on other social media. For instance, here is his Twitter account.  https://twitter.com/@Derek_Godsey_7

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on October 21, 2016, 11:37:14 AM
Well Bruce, AB did show me a ticket stub from the 1971 Grey Cup Game as well as a few other interesting things beyond just talk.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: EVickiW on October 21, 2016, 11:43:13 AM
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Well Bruce, AB did show me a ticket stub from the 1971 Grey Cup Game as well as a few other interesting things beyond just talk.

Well being the super sleuth you are, I am sure you took a photo of his ticket stub when he showed it to you. Or recorded the conversation.  I am sure you would understand we would like to see some type of evidence rather than you word.

For instance, when I met with Bill Mitchell he showed Mark and I his original ticket from the flight 305. I snapped a photo. Easy ...done...and posted here for all to see.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on October 21, 2016, 11:56:07 AM
When he agreed to meet with me he had stipulations and that was one Vick.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 21, 2016, 12:02:35 PM
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When he agreed to meet with me he had stipulations and that was one Vick.


Nicky, without any proof it's nothing but a story, plus nobody has ever linked the letters to Cooper. why would he put DB Cooper, and not Dan Cooper? why use a double alias? I'm not saying the letters are not from Cooper, but nothing really points in that direction. Aldi could of been a family member of the original sender?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 21, 2016, 12:10:55 PM
Rackstraw seems to enjoy stirring the pot. nothing he says can be trusted. we have come across his kind in the Cooper community, we all know who that is.

Derek, he seems to be sincere, but at the same time his IP doesn't match where he claims he's coming from. he sent me a large amount of emails last night.

Lots of deception seems to be a key point in dealing with Rackstraw as a suspect. jamming up the forum with things that can't be verified doesn't fly with me. you guys need to start showing verification with the things you put on the table here.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: EVickiW on October 21, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
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When he agreed to meet with me he had stipulations and that was one Vick.

Tape the conversation. Take a screenshot of a text he may have sent you. Put your phone in your shirt pocket with the camera lens facing out. Most phones will snap a photo with a voice command. You have to be smarter than the average bear, Yogi!

There has to be something to PROVE you are speaking with Bob.

I call Bu!! Sh!t!..... C:-)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on October 21, 2016, 12:38:20 PM
You really think RWR was born yesterday Vick??? It would of taken some real balls to pull a stunt as you are suggesting with Bob out in the middle of the pacific ocean. Before I got on the poverty sucks he told me no funny business and he meant it just like he did when he said it on Nov. 24, 1971.

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When he agreed to meet with me he had stipulations and that was one Vick.

Tape the conversation. Take a screenshot of a text he may have sent you. Put your phone in your shirt pocket with the camera lens facing out. Most phones will snap a photo with a voice command. You have to be smarter than the average bear, Yogi!

There has to be something to PROVE you are speaking with Bob.

I call Bu!! Sh!t!..... C:-)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: EVickiW on October 21, 2016, 12:45:41 PM
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You really think RWR was born yesterday Vick??? It would of taken some real balls to pull a stunt as you are suggesting with Bob out in the middle of the pacific ocean. Before I got on the poverty sucks he told me no funny business and he meant it just like he did when he said it on Nov. 24, 1971.

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When he agreed to meet with me he had stipulations and that was one Vick.

Tape the conversation. Take a screenshot of a text he may have sent you. Put your phone in your shirt pocket with the camera lens facing out. Most phones will snap a photo with a voice command. You have to be smarter than the average bear, Yogi!

There has to be something to PROVE you are speaking with Bob.

I call Bu!! Sh!t!..... C:-)

 "Every contact leaves a trace" ~ Dr. Edmond Locard

Anything Nicky....anything.?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 21, 2016, 12:54:58 PM
Nicky, what about the weekend with Skipp, any photo's there, or would he also be on to you as well? it was you going there, right?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 21, 2016, 01:05:56 PM
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You really think RWR was born yesterday Vick??? It would of taken some real balls to pull a stunt as you are suggesting with Bob out in the middle of the pacific ocean.

yes, having a cellphone on you would be the death of you for sure? perhaps, you should of 'stipulated" AB asked that no electrical devices are to be taken?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on October 21, 2016, 02:25:49 PM
How did Airborne Bob afford what looks like a fairly substantial motoryacht?

Also I wonder why he pursued a JD and LLM. His chances of getting admitted to the bar were slim to none due to prior felony convictions.

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on October 21, 2016, 05:37:19 PM
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Nicky, what about the weekend with Skipp, any photo's there, or would he also be on to you as well? it was you going there, right?

Skipp was a pleasure to meet although I am saddened to report his health has really declined. As For pics shutt I was so caught up in talking Norjak with the skipper that I did not think to take any pics nor did it occur to me Hey let me snap a few shots so I can prove it to the folks on the DB Cooper forum. Also like I said the skipper is not in the best of shape right now and I do not think he would of liked me taking pics of him in his current state it's called privacy kind of like how colbert did not want his number being posted by Derek and you deleted it yet you are requesting pics of skipp on his death bed.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on October 21, 2016, 05:48:07 PM
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Nicky, what about the weekend with Skipp, any photo's there, or would he also be on to you as well? it was you going there, right?

Skipp was a pleasure to meet although I am saddened to report his health has really declined. As For pics shutt I was so caught up in talking Norjak with the skipper that I did not think to take any pics nor did it occur to me Hey let me snap a few shots so I can prove it to the folks on the DB Cooper forum. Also like I said the skipper is not in the best of shape right now and I do not think he would of liked me taking pics of him in his current state it's called privacy kind of like how colbert did not want his number being posted by Derek and you deleted it yet you are requesting pics of skipp on his death bed.


Remember who you are talking too. first of all, I repeatedly asked Derek not to post numbers on this thread, second, photo's are not phone numbers, and I have doubts Skipp is on his deathbed. it's common knowledge Skipp is in poor health. I can find out easily whether you were actually there. all of this deception will not continue on this forum.

Consider yourself warned!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on October 21, 2016, 08:39:28 PM
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You really think RWR was born yesterday Vick??? It would of taken some real balls to pull a stunt as you are suggesting with Bob out in the middle of the pacific ocean.

yes, having a cellphone on you would be the death of you for sure? perhaps, you should of 'stipulated" AB asked that no electrical devices are to be taken?

He had a waterproof bag that he requested I put all my electronics in before I boarded the poverty sucks.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 21, 2016, 09:45:40 PM
New Book: The Elusive DB Cooper: How He Escapes

Author: William S Rollins III

I'm loving this book. Available at Amazon/Kindle as an e-book. Just came out. The writing is very uneven, but Bill Rollins has some unique perspectives on DB Cooper that I find delightful. As I said on these pages a few weeks ago, I've been trying to get Bill to post here, but he resists and I don't know why.

Nevertheless, his passion for DB Cooper is profound and he wants to produce TV shows, YouTube stuff, and form partnerships to get the word out. His connection to the story is unique - and HIGHLY controversial. He feels a powerful and emotional connection to Cooper, such that he is reduced to sobs when he writes about Norjak. As such, it would be easy to say that he is channeling DB Cooper, which would be a first in the Cooper Vortex.

I spoke with him today and reassured him that even if he is psychotic, it a good kind of crazy as he has some compelling ideas on Cooper entry and exit from PDX and stuff. His view is simple: Cooper drives into town with a pickup and camper, and towing an Alumacraft boat and Zodiac. He parks the Alumacraft just below Merwin Dam, drives to T-Bar and parks the camper, unloads the Zodiac and motors upstream to PDX, stashes the craft and walks towards NWO and his destiny. After the jump he heads to Merwin Dam and its lights, gets back in the Alumacraft, motors down the Lewis and up the Columbia to T-Bar, get in the pickup and drives over to PDX and retrieves the Zodiac. Then he drives home.

As I mentioned here a few weeks ago, Bill feels that Cooper was able to jury-rig some kind of DME device to find Merwin Dam. I understand that most think that is improbable with 1971 equipment. Okay, I acknowledge the problem. But overall, the scenario is cool.

Plus, I like a guy who has such strong Quantum Entanglement with Cooper that he starts weeping at his pc. Perhaps when Bill comes out to Cooper Country and starts re-enacting these scenarios he'll have another emotional outburst of connection to Dan Cooper. Perhaps I can interview the skyjacker and get a retrospective from him for the 45th Anniversary!

Or maybe we can have the Long Island Medium, Teresa Caputo join us and we can have a Norjak discussion from beyond Space and Time!!! And Bill is a life-long mechanical engineer who is stunned with what has developed in his life.

Anyway, it all sounds fun, and could make great TV.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on October 21, 2016, 10:28:49 PM
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New Book: The Elusive DB Cooper: How He Escapes

Author: William S Rollins III

I'm loving this book. Available at Amazon/Kindle as an e-book. Just came out. The writing is very uneven, but Bill Rollins has some unique perspectives on DB Cooper that I find delightful. As I said on these pages a few weeks ago, I've been trying to get Bill to post here, but he resists and I don't know why.

Nevertheless, his passion for DB Cooper is profound and he wants to produce TV shows, YouTube stuff, and form partnerships to get the word out. His connection to the story is unique - and HIGHLY controversial. He feels a powerful and emotional connection to Cooper, such that he is reduced to sobs when he writes about Norjak. As such, it would be easy to say that he is channeling DB Cooper, which would be a first in the Cooper Vortex.

I spoke with him today and reassured him that even if he is psychotic, it a good kind of crazy as he has some compelling ideas on Cooper entry and exit from PDX and stuff. His view is simple: Cooper drives into town with a pickup and camper, and towing an Alumacraft boat and Zodiac. He parks the Alumacraft just below Merwin Dam, drives to T-Bar and parks the camper, unloads the Zodiac and motors upstream to PDX, stashes the craft and walks towards NWO and his destiny. After the jump he heads to Merwin Dam and its lights, gets back in the Alumacraft, motors down the Lewis and up the Columbia to T-Bar, get in the pickup and drives over to PDX and retrieves the Zodiac. Then he drives home.

As I mentioned here a few weeks ago, Bill feels that Cooper was able to jury-rig some kind of DME device to find Merwin Dam. I understand that most think that is improbable with 1971 equipment. Okay, I acknowledge the problem. But overall, the scenario is cool.

Plus, I like a guy who has such strong Quantum Entanglement with Cooper that he starts weeping at his pc. Perhaps when Bill comes out to Cooper Country and starts re-enacting these scenarios he'll have another emotional outburst of connection to Dan Cooper. Perhaps I can interview the skyjacker and get a retrospective from him for the 45th Anniversary!

Or maybe we can have the Long Island Medium, Teresa Caputo join us and we can have a Norjak discussion from beyond Space and Time!!! And Bill is a life-long mechanical engineer who is stunned with what has developed in his life.

Anyway, it all sounds fun, and could make great TV.

Bruce,

Do you understand what you have written above?

A psychotic writer, a "good kind of crazy", some kind of a jury-rigged DME device that was impossible in 1971, a strong Quantum Entanglement, a Long Island Medium, and discussions from beyond Space and Time!  Plus you want the mentally disturbed writer to have an emotional outburst that will connect you to Dan Cooper so that you can interview him for the 45th anniversary?

Bruce, I don't know what you are using, but change brands now!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on October 21, 2016, 11:23:44 PM
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New Book: The Elusive DB Cooper: How He Escapes

Author: William S Rollins III

I'm loving this book. Available at Amazon/Kindle as an e-book. Just came out. The writing is very uneven, but Bill Rollins has some unique perspectives on DB Cooper that I find delightful. As I said on these pages a few weeks ago, I've been trying to get Bill to post here, but he resists and I don't know why.

Nevertheless, his passion for DB Cooper is profound and he wants to produce TV shows, YouTube stuff, and form partnerships to get the word out. His connection to the story is unique - and HIGHLY controversial. He feels a powerful and emotional connection to Cooper, such that he is reduced to sobs when he writes about Norjak. As such, it would be easy to say that he is channeling DB Cooper, which would be a first in the Cooper Vortex.

I spoke with him today and reassured him that even if he is psychotic, it a good kind of crazy as he has some compelling ideas on Cooper entry and exit from PDX and stuff. His view is simple: Cooper drives into town with a pickup and camper, and towing an Alumacraft boat and Zodiac. He parks the Alumacraft just below Merwin Dam, drives to T-Bar and parks the camper, unloads the Zodiac and motors upstream to PDX, stashes the craft and walks towards NWO and his destiny. After the jump he heads to Merwin Dam and its lights, gets back in the Alumacraft, motors down the Lewis and up the Columbia to T-Bar, get in the pickup and drives over to PDX and retrieves the Zodiac. Then he drives home.

As I mentioned here a few weeks ago, Bill feels that Cooper was able to jury-rig some kind of DME device to find Merwin Dam. I understand that most think that is improbable with 1971 equipment. Okay, I acknowledge the problem. But overall, the scenario is cool.

Plus, I like a guy who has such strong Quantum Entanglement with Cooper that he starts weeping at his pc. Perhaps when Bill comes out to Cooper Country and starts re-enacting these scenarios he'll have another emotional outburst of connection to Dan Cooper. Perhaps I can interview the skyjacker and get a retrospective from him for the 45th Anniversary!

Or maybe we can have the Long Island Medium, Teresa Caputo join us and we can have a Norjak discussion from beyond Space and Time!!! And Bill is a life-long mechanical engineer who is stunned with what has developed in his life.

Anyway, it all sounds fun, and could make great TV.

Bruce,

Do you understand what you have written above?

A psychotic writer, a "good kind of crazy", some kind of a jury-rigged DME device that was impossible in 1971, a strong Quantum Entanglement, a Long Island Medium, and discussions from beyond Space and Time!  Plus you want the mentally disturbed writer to have an emotional outburst that will connect you to Dan Cooper so that you can interview him for the 45th anniversary?

Bruce, I don't know what you are using, but change brands now!

It's all goibblewobble - but Bruce doesn't care. Bruce is in Trumpalot! 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 22, 2016, 01:48:09 AM
I knew you two guys might have a little trouble with this...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: nickyb233 on October 22, 2016, 01:23:04 PM
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I knew you two guys might have a little trouble with this...

With all do respect I think you are losing touch with the case Bruce. I have to agree with Georger here this is all goobly goop!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 22, 2016, 04:07:37 PM
Ah, my fan club grows...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 22, 2016, 04:13:26 PM
In My Defense

I think it is important to remember that I am not the person saying they are channeling DB Cooper. Bill Rollins is. All I'm saying is that I eagerly await standing next to him when he walks the lands of Cooper Country in case he gets a flash back.

How does one truly explore the unknown? What does it look like to really keep an open mind? Doesn't that mean allowing all things to be possible? To hold all people and all possibilities in a state of potential until further discernment can clarify the truth?

I consider Bill Rollins to be a kind of Walkin'-Talkin' Schrodinger's Cat of Cooper Country. Who are you to mess with Erwin's kitties, eh?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on October 22, 2016, 05:57:01 PM
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In My Defense

I think it is important to remember that I am not the person saying they are channeling DB Cooper. Bill Rollins is. All I'm saying is that I eagerly await standing next to him when he walks the lands of Cooper Country in case he gets a flash back.

How does one truly explore the unknown? What does it look like to really keep an open mind? Doesn't that mean allowing all things to be possible? To hold all people and all possibilities in a state of potential until further discernment can clarify the truth?

I consider Bill Rollins to be a kind of Walkin'-Talkin' Schrodinger's Cat of Cooper Country. Who are you to mess with Erwin's kitties, eh?

Where is your evidence that Dr. Schrodinger even had a cat?  Assuming he had one and it was in the box as postulated by the "mind experiment", you would have to open the box to determine if the cat was dead or alive regardless of any indications coming from elsewhere.  Or you could be in the box with it and presumably in the same state of existence, dead or alive, and again presumably aware of both your status and the cat's status only if you were alive.  The point of the exercise, as I understand it, is that somewhere along the way quantum mechanics and reality are not both valid at the same time.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 22, 2016, 07:40:57 PM
I think the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle suggests that there is both the probability that Dr. Schrodinger had a cat AND didn't have a cat, just as there is a probability that I was in the box with Dr. Schrodinger, his cat, and Georger's HAT!

I subscribe to the maxims of the little guy in the wheel chair: there is a probability, albeit a very small one, that you are reading this while standing on the surface of Mars. I find that a useful perspective when researching Norjak.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 22, 2016, 07:52:31 PM
Since we are talking about kittens, quantum physicists and DB Cooper, I think it might be useful to add some thoughts from Dr. Deepak Chopra on the nature of consciousness and how it might helo us solve Norjak.

Somehow, I have been placed into a large Google Group that is discussing the nature of existence, reality, consciousness and what "IS" is. What I'm getting from Dr. Chopra is that awareness exists beyond all else - that everything we think of as part of everything, such as material stuff, thoughts, emotions, perceptions, laughter, etc., is all contained within awareness. From that I am beginning to understand that we exist far beyond what we normally think of as "our selves." Certainly beyond our bodies, as most folks believe in eternal life, heaven, souls and such. But I beginning to realize that we exist beyond our personalities, our personas and the identifies we use to experience this life.

So the task at hand is how to focus these dynamics and find DB Cooper. The scientific method is one approach, remote viewing another. I wonder how many other forensic venues might be available to us. I wonder what prayer can do. I wonder if the Carmelite nuns in Eugene are praying to know the truth of Norjak, and if not, why not.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on October 22, 2016, 08:58:29 PM
The limiations imposed by the laws of physics and thermodynamics are real.

Smoking hopium doesn't change them.

It just isn't fair that it takes nearly 14 minutes for a radio message to reach Mars.

But whining or wishing or channeling won't shorten the transit time.

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 22, 2016, 09:19:13 PM
But a guy can try, can't he...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bill Rollins on October 22, 2016, 10:36:42 PM
Greetings Everyone, my name is Bill Rollins.  For 44.5 years, I had a casual interest in D. B. Cooper, and felt with time he would be discovered.  I watched the History Channel show in July, as it was hyped as though they had found D. B. Cooper.  Wrong!  Rackstraw is too young and Tina says no.  Also in this show, the FBI announced they were closing the case.  So that's when I got interested and started searching for info on the case.  When I read the Citizen Sleuth conclusions that  Cooper was an engineer, due to the metal particles in his tie, that peaked my interest!

I have recently completed my book, "The Elusive D. B. Cooper, How He Escapes".  At this time, it is only available in the Kindle version.  I hope to have a paperback in the near future.  If you go to the link and click on the cover, you can preview the book.  Read the Preface, if you don't mind.

The Elusive D. B. Cooper, How He Escapes (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MDNQZQX/ref=sr_1_7?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1476833501&sr=1-7&keywords=db+cooper)

I know Bruce is excited about the paranormal, but if you examine this story, you will find it probably somewhat technical and logical, as I am an engineer.  However, maybe my mind is playing tricks on me, but I have felt a deep emotional anguish in my quest to understand why a middle-aged engineer would risk it all in his attempt at this hijacking.  It felt like I had lost my immediate family (I have a wife and 15-year old son).  I felt as though I had nothing left to live for.  This is what I feel is Dan Cooper's emotional state.  Again, I can only tell you what I feel.

After feeling this man's pain, I surmised that his grudge was his entire motivation.  His loss was not accidental, and he blamed someone or some entity.  I then began to think; if I were Dan Cooper, how would I go about this hijacking?  How would I leave no evidence at PDX?  How would I make sure I evaded the chase planes (jumping on a clear night is a sure recipe for failure)?  How would I avoid roadblocks set up around the drop zone?  How would I do all this without an accomplice?

After many hours of plotting and scheming, I devised a solution that would give me my revenge, get me the money, and leave almost no evidence for the investigators.  But then I realized, this is what Dan Cooper did!  And when you look at this hijacking as being accomplished by a highly intelligent man who meticulously plans this escapade, you eliminate all the mysteries surrounding the case and realize that Dan Cooper drove away that evening with the money.  Bruce gave you the synopsis of how he does this.

So do I have a connection with Dan Cooper?  I don't know.  But look at how he executes this hijacking, and you will find this plot is quite intricate.  I say with a high degree of confidence this is what happened on the night of November 24, 1971.  After 45 years and the millions of people who have taken an interest in D. B. Cooper, how have I found his secret?  Yes, I feel there may be forces at work that we just don't understand.  In addition, I believe I know the industry where the pure titanium would be used.  But don't ask, I'm not telling.

So to continue, this is just step one, understanding how D. B. Cooper executes his plan and escapes.  The next step is to find this man.  Again, call it my feeling or intuition, but I feel he is still alive.  But time is running out.  He is about 90 years old, and I believe he wants the world to hear his story, to understand his grudge.  But he doesn't want to tell his story from a jail cell.  So I am now on a mission to find this man, get his story, and have him tell the real reasons for this hijacking.  If we wait much longer, we may not have this opportunity.

So call me crazy, foolish, or what have you.  There is no other explanation that eliminates all the mysteries, identifies how the money got to Tena Bar, and allows Dan Cooper to complete his venture without an accomplice. 

To better understand all of this, it is best to read the book.

Thank you to everyone for listening, thanks Bruce for introducing me, but please, let people know that I'm not as gung ho as you on all the psychic phenomena.




Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on October 23, 2016, 01:07:25 AM
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Since we are talking about kittens, quantum physicists and DB Cooper, I think it might be useful to add some thoughts from Dr. Deepak Chopra on the nature of consciousness and how it might helo us solve Norjak.

Somehow, I have been placed into a large Google Group that is discussing the nature of existence, reality, consciousness and what "IS" is. What I'm getting from Dr. Chopra is that awareness exists beyond all else - that everything we think of as part of everything, such as material stuff, thoughts, emotions, perceptions, laughter, etc., is all contained within awareness. From that I am beginning to understand that we exist far beyond what we normally think of as "our selves." Certainly beyond our bodies, as most folks believe in eternal life, heaven, souls and such. But I beginning to realize that we exist beyond our personalities, our personas and the identifies we use to experience this life.

So the task at hand is how to focus these dynamics and find DB Cooper. The scientific method is one approach, remote viewing another. I wonder how many other forensic venues might be available to us. I wonder what prayer can do. I wonder if the Carmelite nuns in Eugene are praying to know the truth of Norjak, and if not, why not.

Since we are talking about kittens, quantum physicists and DB Cooper ???\

No Bruce, it is only you who are talking about this!  And since you have not the faintest idea what you are even saying then 1-1=0 and there is nobody talking about it!

You seem more inclined to make news than gather or report it. Sensationalism is never a good route. 

 ::)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on October 23, 2016, 02:12:40 AM
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Greetings Everyone, my name is Bill Rollins.  For 44.5 years, I had a casual interest in D. B. Cooper, and felt with time he would be discovered.  I watched the History Channel show in July, as it was hyped as though they had found D. B. Cooper.  Wrong!  Rackstraw is too young and Tina says no.  Also in this show, the FBI announced they were closing the case.  So that's when I got interested and started searching for info on the case.  When I read the Citizen Sleuth conclusions that  Cooper was an engineer, due to the metal particles in his tie, that peaked my interest!

I have recently completed my book, "The Elusive D. B. Cooper, How He Escapes".  At this time, it is only available in the Kindle version.  I hope to have a paperback in the near future.  If you go to the link and click on the cover, you can preview the book.  Read the Preface, if you don't mind.

The Elusive D. B. Cooper, How He Escapes (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MDNQZQX/ref=sr_1_7?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1476833501&sr=1-7&keywords=db+cooper)

I know Bruce is excited about the paranormal, but if you examine this story, you will find it probably somewhat technical and logical, as I am an engineer.  However, maybe my mind is playing tricks on me, but I have felt a deep emotional anguish in my quest to understand why a middle-aged engineer would risk it all in his attempt at this hijacking.  It felt like I had lost my immediate family (I have a wife and 15-year old son).  I felt as though I had nothing left to live for.  This is what I feel is Dan Cooper's emotional state.  Again, I can only tell you what I feel.

After feeling this man's pain, I surmised that his grudge was his entire motivation.  His loss was not accidental, and he blamed someone or some entity.  I then began to think; if I were Dan Cooper, how would I go about this hijacking?  How would I leave no evidence at PDX?  How would I make sure I evaded the chase planes (jumping on a clear night is a sure recipe for failure)?  How would I avoid roadblocks set up around the drop zone?  How would I do all this without an accomplice?

After many hours of plotting and scheming, I devised a solution that would give me my revenge, get me the money, and leave almost no evidence for the investigators.  But then I realized, this is what Dan Cooper did!  And when you look at this hijacking as being accomplished by a highly intelligent man who meticulously plans this escapade, you eliminate all the mysteries surrounding the case and realize that Dan Cooper drove away that evening with the money.  Bruce gave you the synopsis of how he does this.

So do I have a connection with Dan Cooper?  I don't know.  But look at how he executes this hijacking, and you will find this plot is quite intricate.  I say with a high degree of confidence this is what happened on the night of November 24, 1971.  After 45 years and the millions of people who have taken an interest in D. B. Cooper, how have I found his secret?  Yes, I feel there may be forces at work that we just don't understand.  In addition, I believe I know the industry where the pure titanium would be used.  But don't ask, I'm not telling.

So to continue, this is just step one, understanding how D. B. Cooper executes his plan and escapes.  The next step is to find this man.  Again, call it my feeling or intuition, but I feel he is still alive.  But time is running out.  He is about 90 years old, and I believe he wants the world to hear his story, to understand his grudge.  But he doesn't want to tell his story from a jail cell.  So I am now on a mission to find this man, get his story, and have him tell the real reasons for this hijacking.  If we wait much longer, we may not have this opportunity.

So call me crazy, foolish, or what have you.  There is no other explanation that eliminates all the mysteries, identifies how the money got to Tena Bar, and allows Dan Cooper to complete his venture without an accomplice. 

To better understand all of this, it is best to read the book.

Thank you to everyone for listening, thanks Bruce for introducing me, but please, let people know that I'm not as gung ho as you on all the psychic phenomena.

Your comments hit central threads in the Cooper case: motive, profile, evidence and it's meaning.

Some of this would depend on protocols investigators followed as the Cooper case passed from lead agent to agent. Were their summary reports handed off, meetings to bring new people up to speed, etc ... in which critical aspects of the case (and people's theories about the case) were communicated over time? How did people's understanding of the case evolve over time? We have virtually no information about any of these critical questions -

For example, was there continuity in different agent's understanding of the case over time? We really don't know. As different agents worked investigating the case what impressions of Cooper did these agents form? It's pretty hard to work on a case and not form some basic opinions about the subject ... based on the evidence one is working with.

All of this would be related to your concerns.
 ;)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Mack on November 02, 2016, 11:41:54 PM
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Some of this would depend on protocols investigators followed as the Cooper case passed from lead agent to agent. Were their summary reports handed off, meetings to bring new people up to speed, etc ... in which critical aspects of the case (and people's theories about the case) were communicated over time? How did people's understanding of the case evolve over time? We have virtually no information about any of these critical questions -

For example, was there continuity in different agent's understanding of the case over time? We really don't know. As different agents worked investigating the case what impressions of Cooper did these agents form? It's pretty hard to work on a case and not form some basic opinions about the subject ... based on the evidence one is working with.

Really good points.  Reminds me of the Maria Ridulph case where they got a conviction 50 years after the crime.  Turns out they had fingered the guy initially but he was dismissed as a suspect due to a phony alibi which later crumbled.  They might have solved the case right away but there was confusion over jurisdiction and a lack of coordination between various levels of state and local police and the FBI.  Plenty of things got lost in the shuffle.  Some of that could be in play here.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on November 03, 2016, 02:44:25 AM
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Some of this would depend on protocols investigators followed as the Cooper case passed from lead agent to agent. Were their summary reports handed off, meetings to bring new people up to speed, etc ... in which critical aspects of the case (and people's theories about the case) were communicated over time? How did people's understanding of the case evolve over time? We have virtually no information about any of these critical questions -

For example, was there continuity in different agent's understanding of the case over time? We really don't know. As different agents worked investigating the case what impressions of Cooper did these agents form? It's pretty hard to work on a case and not form some basic opinions about the subject ... based on the evidence one is working with.

Really good points.  Reminds me of the Maria Ridulph case where they got a conviction 50 years after the crime.  Turns out they had fingered the guy initially but he was dismissed as a suspect due to a phony alibi which later crumbled.  They might have solved the case right away but there was confusion over jurisdiction and a lack of coordination between various levels of state and local police and the FBI.  Plenty of things got lost in the shuffle.  Some of that could be in play here.

Exactly! Given the massive search they developed over many years you have to wonder how close they came..
 ;)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on November 03, 2016, 12:44:38 PM
No reason for Cooper to keep the briefcase and fake bomb, but where are they?

If tossed, the case would likely split open on impact and the red sticks (flares?) might be visible to searchers and hunters for a while. The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?

And the chute, what happened to it? Those cadmium plated steel harness fittings will last for centuries. Maybe someday...

I find Bruce's info about the tie interesting. The original discovery and subsequent chain of custody is far from clear. What makes the FBI so sure it was Cooper's and what makes them so sure the DNA on the tie is his?

Every Vortex has eddys.

377

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on November 03, 2016, 01:34:37 PM
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No reason for Cooper to keep the briefcase and fake bomb, but where are they?

If tossed, the case would likely split open on impact and the red sticks (flares?) might be visible to searchers and hunters for a while. The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?

And the chute, what happened to it? Those cadmium plated steel harness fittings will last for centuries. Maybe someday...

I find Bruce's info about the tie interesting. The original discovery and subsequent chain of custody is far from clear. What makes the FBI so sure it was Cooper's and what makes them so sure the DNA on the tie is his?

Every Vortex has eddys.

377

/The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?/

Because they were tossed at different times in different places? Took different routes back to Cooper experts?  :))
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on November 03, 2016, 02:34:26 PM
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No reason for Cooper to keep the briefcase and fake bomb, but where are they?

If tossed, the case would likely split open on impact and the red sticks (flares?) might be visible to searchers and hunters for a while. The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?

And the chute, what happened to it? Those cadmium plated steel harness fittings will last for centuries. Maybe someday...

I find Bruce's info about the tie interesting. The original discovery and subsequent chain of custody is far from clear. What makes the FBI so sure it was Cooper's and what makes them so sure the DNA on the tie is his?

Every Vortex has eddys.

377

/The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?/

Because they were tossed at different times in different places? Took different routes back to Cooper experts?  :))

Cooper would probably have disassembled the "bomb" in the briefcase and thrown the sticks of whatever out one at a time.  They would have landed maybe miles apart and very close to the actual flight path of the airliner.  For the briefcase itself, just open it and toss it out the back.  The placard landed several miles from the probable flight path due to the wind and its low rate of descent.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on November 03, 2016, 02:42:00 PM
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No reason for Cooper to keep the briefcase and fake bomb, but where are they?

If tossed, the case would likely split open on impact and the red sticks (flares?) might be visible to searchers and hunters for a while. The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?

And the chute, what happened to it? Those cadmium plated steel harness fittings will last for centuries. Maybe someday...

I find Bruce's info about the tie interesting. The original discovery and subsequent chain of custody is far from clear. What makes the FBI so sure it was Cooper's and what makes them so sure the DNA on the tie is his?

Every Vortex has eddys.

377

The airliner was flown from Reno back to Seattle on the afternoon of Thursday, November 25, 1971 (Thanksgiving Day).  The papers from the NWA station chief in Seattle state that the airliner was repaired and returned to service in less than two days (see those papers for the exact date).  That would mean that the airliner was probably back in service by Friday or Saturday.  The tie may have been found during the cabin cleaning that the airliner would have undergone on Friday or Saturday.  That would leave Monday as probably the earliest day the FBI could have obtained the tie and entered it into their system.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 03, 2016, 04:01:32 PM
...or the feds are lying about the tie for some reason.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on November 03, 2016, 04:06:10 PM
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...or the feds are lying about the tie for some reason.

or you are making this up = as shortcut to fame and meaning!

Blevins has an emergency again today you need to attend to immediately!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 03, 2016, 08:50:57 PM
Was Red Campbell telling the truth or lying to Bernie Rhodes when Red said that he didn't remember the tie at all, never collected it, never saw it, and didn't know anyone who did?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on November 03, 2016, 11:20:40 PM
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Was Red Campbell telling the truth or lying to Bernie Rhodes when Red said that he didn't remember the tie at all, never collected it, never saw it, and didn't know anyone who did?

Are parrots black or white?   Naw........... must be black!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 03, 2016, 11:34:28 PM
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Was Red Campbell telling the truth or lying to Bernie Rhodes when Red said that he didn't remember the tie at all, never collected it, never saw it, and didn't know anyone who did?

Are parrots black or white?   Naw........... must be black!

They're both, until observed, as per quantum physics, The Observer Effect, and the kitties of Erwin Schroder - remember?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Mack on November 23, 2016, 12:29:51 PM
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Rackstraw seems to enjoy stirring the pot. nothing he says can be trusted. we have come across his kind in the Cooper community, we all know who that is.

Derek, he seems to be sincere, but at the same time his IP doesn't match where he claims he's coming from. he sent me a large amount of emails last night.

Lots of deception seems to be a key point in dealing with Rackstraw as a suspect. jamming up the forum with things that can't be verified doesn't fly with me. you guys need to start showing verification with the things you put on the table here.

I finally watched Case Closed last month---I pulled the cord years ago---and enjoyed the program.  I agree that Rackstraw enjoys stirring the pot.  It would be easy to deny being Cooper, instead he plays coy.  Interesting how similar his mannerisms and responses are in both ~1978 and 2016.  He seems to relish doing that. Doesn't make him guilty or innocent either way.  That's a personality trait some people have.
I think the investigation was well done up until the ambush interview which did much to hurt their investigation.  They should have approached Rackstraw with tact and if he continued to be evasive, save it for a later time. Instead they poisoned the well. 

Rackstraw sounds like the perfect suspect except the FBI ruled him out for some reason known only to them.  As I said before, they could have made a mistake, but that is not a reasonable assumption without significant evidence to the contrary. 

Bill Rataczak and Tina come across as very genuine and nothing like the conspiracy theorists have posted.  They seem like everyday people that have unwillingly spent their lives in the spotlight because of something beyond their control one traumatic night in 1971.  In addition to LE, the media and amateur cooper sleuths, they have likely endured gentle ribbing from all their coworkers and everyday contacts.  They are angry and fed up with the attention. 


 



Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on November 23, 2016, 01:33:29 PM
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Rackstraw seems to enjoy stirring the pot. nothing he says can be trusted. we have come across his kind in the Cooper community, we all know who that is.

Derek, he seems to be sincere, but at the same time his IP doesn't match where he claims he's coming from. he sent me a large amount of emails last night.

Lots of deception seems to be a key point in dealing with Rackstraw as a suspect. jamming up the forum with things that can't be verified doesn't fly with me. you guys need to start showing verification with the things you put on the table here.

I finally watched Case Closed last month---I pulled the cord years ago---and enjoyed the program.  I agree that Rackstraw enjoys stirring the pot.  It would be easy to deny being Cooper, instead he plays coy. Interesting how similar his mannerisms and responses are in both ~1978 and 2016.  He seems to relish doing that. Doesn't make him guilty or innocent either way.  That's a personality trait some people have.
I think the investigation was well done up until the ambush interview which did much to hurt their investigation.  They should have approached Rackstraw with tact and if he continued to be evasive, save it for a later time. Instead they poisoned the well. 

Rackstraw sounds like the perfect suspect except the FBI ruled him out for some reason known only to them.  As I said before, they could have made a mistake, but that is not a reasonable assumption without significant evidence to the contrary. 

Bill Rataczak and Tina come across as very genuine and nothing like the conspiracy theorists have posted.  They seem like everyday people that have unwillingly spent their lives in the spotlight because of something beyond their control one traumatic night in 1971.  In addition to LE, the media and amateur cooper sleuths, they have likely endured gentle ribbing from all their coworkers and everyday contacts.  They are angry and fed up with the attention.

I think you've nailed it. I see similarity between Rackstraw and McCoy.

I agree that Rackstraw enjoys stirring the pot.  It would be easy to deny being Cooper, instead he plays coy.    

Similar personality types but both not Cooper. Both with the same contempt for authority and conventionality. Passive-aggressive.

Colbert's confrontation of Rackstraw was guaranteed to fail - it fed right into Rackstraw's agenda and gave him the advantage. You would think 42/400 experts would know better!?  :))  From that point on the whole program became simply a clash of personality types which may be the stuff for a reality tv program but is nothing more. You cant convict and execute people on suspicion!  O0 :)) C:-)  Well you can - it happens every day = but things get very messy from that point on. Colbert's program lost credibility with it's confrontation of Rackstraw because the outcome was predetermined leading directly into the 'swamp' that every other Cooper investigation has fallen into since time immemorial. Not to mention the fact that tv viewers have a short attention span and get bogged down in
swamps!  ::)

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on November 23, 2016, 02:04:52 PM
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Rackstraw seems to enjoy stirring the pot. nothing he says can be trusted. we have come across his kind in the Cooper community, we all know who that is.

Derek, he seems to be sincere, but at the same time his IP doesn't match where he claims he's coming from. he sent me a large amount of emails last night.

Lots of deception seems to be a key point in dealing with Rackstraw as a suspect. jamming up the forum with things that can't be verified doesn't fly with me. you guys need to start showing verification with the things you put on the table here.

I finally watched Case Closed last month---I pulled the cord years ago---and enjoyed the program.  I agree that Rackstraw enjoys stirring the pot.  It would be easy to deny being Cooper, instead he plays coy.  Interesting how similar his mannerisms and responses are in both ~1978 and 2016.  He seems to relish doing that. Doesn't make him guilty or innocent either way.  That's a personality trait some people have.
I think the investigation was well done up until the ambush interview which did much to hurt their investigation.  They should have approached Rackstraw with tact and if he continued to be evasive, save it for a later time. Instead they poisoned the well. 

Rackstraw sounds like the perfect suspect except the FBI ruled him out for some reason known only to them.  As I said before, they could have made a mistake, but that is not a reasonable assumption without significant evidence to the contrary. 

Bill Rataczak and Tina come across as very genuine and nothing like the conspiracy theorists have posted.  They seem like everyday people that have unwillingly spent their lives in the spotlight because of something beyond their control one traumatic night in 1971.  In addition to LE, the media and amateur cooper sleuths, they have likely endured gentle ribbing from all their coworkers and everyday contacts.  They are angry and fed up with the attention.

So, what should WE do ? 

Forgive these turkey's and move on with Cooper life. A newer-better Cooper documentary is just around in the corner in January. It can;t come soon enough -  :))

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 23, 2016, 04:34:02 PM
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...Rackstraw sounds like the perfect suspect except the FBI ruled him out for some reason known only to them....
 

Maybe the FBI saw the same disqualifying issues as we did:

1. Too young
2. Eyes wrong color
3. Bogus explanation for the money find at T-Bar
4. No fingerprint or DNA match
5. No explanation for the titanium and bismuth
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on November 23, 2016, 06:29:02 PM
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Rackstraw seems to enjoy stirring the pot. nothing he says can be trusted. we have come across his kind in the Cooper community, we all know who that is.

Derek, he seems to be sincere, but at the same time his IP doesn't match where he claims he's coming from. he sent me a large amount of emails last night.

Lots of deception seems to be a key point in dealing with Rackstraw as a suspect. jamming up the forum with things that can't be verified doesn't fly with me. you guys need to start showing verification with the things you put on the table here.

I finally watched Case Closed last month---I pulled the cord years ago---and enjoyed the program.  I agree that Rackstraw enjoys stirring the pot.  It would be easy to deny being Cooper, instead he plays coy.  Interesting how similar his mannerisms and responses are in both ~1978 and 2016.  He seems to relish doing that. Doesn't make him guilty or innocent either way.  That's a personality trait some people have.
I think the investigation was well done up until the ambush interview which did much to hurt their investigation.  They should have approached Rackstraw with tact and if he continued to be evasive, save it for a later time. Instead they poisoned the well. 

Rackstraw sounds like the perfect suspect except the FBI ruled him out for some reason known only to them.  As I said before, they could have made a mistake, but that is not a reasonable assumption without significant evidence to the contrary. 

Bill Rataczak and Tina come across as very genuine and nothing like the conspiracy theorists have posted.  They seem like everyday people that have unwillingly spent their lives in the spotlight because of something beyond their control one traumatic night in 1971.  In addition to LE, the media and amateur cooper sleuths, they have likely endured gentle ribbing from all their coworkers and everyday contacts.  They are angry and fed up with the attention.

So, what should WE do ? 

Forgive these turkey's and move on with Cooper life. A newer-better Cooper documentary is just around in the corner in January. It can;t come soon enough -  :))

What's this new documentary you speak of?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on November 23, 2016, 08:09:55 PM
TLC will be doing a show about Cooper. several members from this forum will be on the show...."Expeditions Unknown"
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 23, 2016, 10:11:30 PM
That's one.

Bill Rollins is working on the funding to get another docu off the ground, and my YouTube "DB Cooper Channel" should be up and running with lots of episodes by then.
Title: Re: Mountain News: DB Cooper case closed – but not abandoned - July 12, 2016
Post by: Mack on November 24, 2016, 12:14:11 PM
Nice commentary, as usual, Bruce.  I got the impression the History Channel and FBI conspired together to do a show promoting the closing of the case.  The Colbert story was just there to draw viewers and make it seem like something other than an FBI publicity stunt and propaganda film.  I think they pretty well dismissed Rackstraw as a viable suspect at the end--it was a bait and switch. 1) Build up Rackstraw so you can draw viewers; 2) diplomatically tell Cooper hunters to go away; 3) And by the way, Rackstraw is not Cooper. 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 24, 2016, 10:26:26 PM
Yup, something like that.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on November 25, 2016, 10:43:40 PM
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No reason for Cooper to keep the briefcase and fake bomb, but where are they?

If tossed, the case would likely split open on impact and the red sticks (flares?) might be visible to searchers and hunters for a while. The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?

And the chute, what happened to it? Those cadmium plated steel harness fittings will last for centuries. Maybe someday...

I find Bruce's info about the tie interesting. The original discovery and subsequent chain of custody is far from clear. What makes the FBI so sure it was Cooper's and what makes them so sure the DNA on the tie is his?

Every Vortex has eddys.

377

/The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?/

Because they were tossed at different times in different places? Took different routes back to Cooper experts?  :))


Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on November 25, 2016, 11:11:57 PM
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No reason for Cooper to keep the briefcase and fake bomb, but where are they?

If tossed, the case would likely split open on impact and the red sticks (flares?) might be visible to searchers and hunters for a while. The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?

And the chute, what happened to it? Those cadmium plated steel harness fittings will last for centuries. Maybe someday...

I find Bruce's info about the tie interesting. The original discovery and subsequent chain of custody is far from clear. What makes the FBI so sure it was Cooper's and what makes them so sure the DNA on the tie is his?

Every Vortex has eddys.

377

/The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?/

Because they were tossed at different times in different places? Took different routes back to Cooper experts?  :))

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I talked about the briefcase a couple of weeks ago here -- it's still out there. 

And why is there such a big to-do about the tie?  The chain of custody is somewhat of a mystery, no one really knows if it was even Cooper's, it was discovered later and who knows how many hands touched it  --- that's too many variables, that's too many unknowns.   I just can't get all excited about researching something that has so many known unknowns.  One's laborious efforts may all be for nought.  I tend to stay out of the tie discussion for these reasons.

It would be really be something if a remnant of the briefcase, the flares, or parachute rigging could be found some day.  If they're out there, it is possible.  Time to get Jerry Thomas going on a search party, don't ya think?  South of the placard find, on V23?

In a situation like this one, is it standard protocol to bury the parachute after a jump?  If so, chances of finding it are slim to none.

MeyerLouie
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on November 25, 2016, 11:36:43 PM
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No reason for Cooper to keep the briefcase and fake bomb, but where are they?

If tossed, the case would likely split open on impact and the red sticks (flares?) might be visible to searchers and hunters for a while. The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?

And the chute, what happened to it? Those cadmium plated steel harness fittings will last for centuries. Maybe someday...

I find Bruce's info about the tie interesting. The original discovery and subsequent chain of custody is far from clear. What makes the FBI so sure it was Cooper's and what makes them so sure the DNA on the tie is his?

Every Vortex has eddys.

377

/The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?/

Because they were tossed at different times in different places? Took different routes back to Cooper experts?  :))

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I talked about the briefcase a couple of weeks ago here -- it's still out there. 

And why is there such a big to-do about the tie?  The chain of custody is somewhat of a mystery, no one really knows if it was even Cooper's, it was discovered later and who knows how many hands touched it  --- that's too many variables, that's too many unknowns.   I just can't get all excited about researching something that has so many known unknowns.  One's laborious efforts may all be for nought.  I tend to stay out of the tie discussion for these reasons.

It would be really be something if a remnant of the briefcase, the flares, or parachute rigging could be found some day.  If they're out there, it is possible.  Time to get Jerry Thomas going on a search party, don't ya think?  South of the placard find, on V23?

In a situation like this one, is it standard protocol to bury the parachute after a jump?  If so, chances of finding it are slim to none.

MeyerLouie

Meyer,

Read the new releases from the Reno FBI agents concerning their finding the tie on the airliner during their initial search.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on November 26, 2016, 03:28:16 AM
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No reason for Cooper to keep the briefcase and fake bomb, but where are they?

If tossed, the case would likely split open on impact and the red sticks (flares?) might be visible to searchers and hunters for a while. The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?

And the chute, what happened to it? Those cadmium plated steel harness fittings will last for centuries. Maybe someday...

I find Bruce's info about the tie interesting. The original discovery and subsequent chain of custody is far from clear. What makes the FBI so sure it was Cooper's and what makes them so sure the DNA on the tie is his?

Every Vortex has eddys.

377

/The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?/

Because they were tossed at different times in different places? Took different routes back to Cooper experts?  :))

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I talked about the briefcase a couple of weeks ago here -- it's still out there. 

And why is there such a big to-do about the tie?  The chain of custody is somewhat of a mystery, no one really knows if it was even Cooper's, it was discovered later and who knows how many hands touched it  --- that's too many variables, that's too many unknowns.   I just can't get all excited about researching something that has so many known unknowns.  One's laborious efforts may all be for nought.  I tend to stay out of the tie discussion for these reasons.

It would be really be something if a remnant of the briefcase, the flares, or parachute rigging could be found some day.  If they're out there, it is possible.  Time to get Jerry Thomas going on a search party, don't ya think?  South of the placard find, on V23?

In a situation like this one, is it standard protocol to bury the parachute after a jump?  If so, chances of finding it are slim to none.

MeyerLouie

Meyer,

Read the new releases from the Reno FBI agents concerning their finding the tie on the airliner during their initial search.

I dont see anything new or revolutionary in these files given what we already knew. Nothing in these files changes science or the application of it. We do get confirmation that certain lab analysis was done - but we already knew that. Sadly once again the actual lab reports are missing. I guess as important as Gray is he doesn't merit being given an old lab report .... which I find hilarious! Same old same-old. The FBI is getting good mileages out of its Gray nickles! FBI needs somebody to carry their clubs to hole 18!  :))

On a less cynical note, once again we get a reference to 'and he kept his hand in the briefcase' ... while others sweated and some watched with growing curiosity. Lets say as Rollins says that DB was an engineer ... an engineer with his hand blindly fumbling around with wires in a dark box he cannot see into, but knows the feel of red-3 from blue-4? This guy must either be the worst engineer to ever walk on feet or he's suicidal or the bomb is a dud and his hand gestures are all an act, for Flo and Tina's consumption (neither has a college degree!). He's either an idiot and suicidal gambling with his own life or the bomb is a fake and he's playing to his audience like any good psychologist would. So psychologist or engineer or suicidal depressive neurotic?   

Let's ask Bruce. He probably knows!

It's just that 'kept his hand inside the closed brief case' keeps popping up in the files. Like the energizer bunny at Christmas time. Kept his hand inside a closed brief case with lose wires he had just shown Flo and Tina saying: "if I touch this wire to this ... we all go to Valhalla !". And now this asshole has his hand inside the closed lid of the briefcase, fucking around in the dark! With Tina and Flo watching it taking it seriously. Do you get the drift of this?   

 :))
 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 26, 2016, 04:53:03 AM
Yes, but was he a left-handed "suicidal depressive neurotic" skyjacker?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on November 26, 2016, 01:28:25 PM
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Yes, but was he a left-handed "suicidal depressive neurotic" skyjacker?

How do you know Cooper was left-handed?  Please cite a source?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on November 26, 2016, 02:21:54 PM
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Yes, but was he a left-handed "suicidal depressive neurotic" skyjacker?

Well, its not my job to tell the Great Wizard how to do his job! Im sure through the use of astrology and Neurokinesiology you will arrive at some conclusion, in 5000 words or less (over 50 weekly issues) . You are the professional psychologist so conjur and devine and let us know -  in 5000 words or less (over 50 weekly issues).

Frankly, I'm bored with the whole thing. I'm moving fast away from Cooperphelia back into Pokeman and cigarettes!

The stage is yours and Vicki's.

What can you experts tell us about hair analysis? Is there a Hair Bunny?

 :-\ 

 
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: EVickiW on November 26, 2016, 04:33:03 PM
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Yes, but was he a left-handed "suicidal depressive neurotic" skyjacker?

Well, its not my job to tell the Great Wizard how to do his job! Im sure through the use of astrology and Neurokinesiology you will arrive at some conclusion, in 5000 words or less (over 50 weekly issues) . You are the professional psychologist so conjur and devine and let us know -  in 5000 words or less (over 50 weekly issues).

Frankly, I'm bored with the whole thing. I'm moving fast away from Cooperphelia back into Pokeman and cigarettes!

The stage is yours and Vicki's.

What can you experts tell us about hair analysis? Is there a Hair Bunny?

 :-\

Why would the stage be mine? I am just wasting time on Percocet after having foot surgery on Tuesday. I just happened to be cruising Facebook and. Boom, Bam, there it was.....Geoffrey Grays posting on his FB Page. So, I thought to myself, "Self, this is some f'n awesome information that we could use on the Index". There. How ws that tap dance? Because it kinda hurts.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 26, 2016, 04:39:45 PM
My foot hurts, too, EVick! Car accident bang-up. Big toe is apparently dislocated but not broken - so the Drs. say...

Nevertheless, the show must go on, particularly now that we have the stage. Really glad you saw the GG piece and let us know. I might have missed it - and having GG's undivided attention to help me access the file was critical, too!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on November 28, 2016, 01:21:00 PM
Get well soon wishes out to Vicki and Bruce. Bet Vicki's recovery is more pleasant (Percocet ;)).

I'm glad Geoff Gray is still interested in the Cooper case. I thought he had moved on to promoting The People's Horse.

https://www.americasbestracing.net/lifestyle/2016-adventure-the-peoples-horse-begins

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/true-stables-home-of-the-people-s-horse-sports#/

377

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: EVickiW on November 28, 2016, 02:10:17 PM
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Get well soon wishes out to Vicki and Bruce. Bet Vicki's recovery is more pleasant (Percocet ;)).

377

Thanks 377,

I stopped taking the Percocet on Friday. Made me ill! Is that the point? The pills made my stomach feel worse than my foot.   

I had a follow up appointment this morning to have post op X-Rays, take off the bandages and re-apply bandages. My Dr. told me I must have a high pain tolerance.  ::)  Pictures were taken!!   
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 28, 2016, 02:43:55 PM
The Percocet made me ill, too! How can folks get addicted to it?

But, I'm walking around okay. Thanks 377 -
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on November 28, 2016, 03:59:52 PM
I think all the long term Cooper forum folks must have a high pain tolerance.

Or be on some really good drugs...  ;)

377

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 28, 2016, 05:46:34 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: dcmey on December 10, 2017, 12:30:13 PM
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Yup, something like that.
I think that is what they tried to do, but anybody that has done a little bit of research will find that Tina has PTSD and would not be able to ID DB Cooper from a pic. I am not saying that Rackstraw is Cooper BTW.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on December 11, 2017, 03:34:33 AM
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Yup, something like that.
I think that is what they tried to do, but anybody that has done a little bit of research will find that Tina has PTSD and would not be able to ID DB Cooper from a pic. I am not saying that Rackstraw is Cooper BTW.

Tina sat next to DBC for 5 hours!  And let's not forget that stews and crew members get special training that most common folks don't get to deal with airline emergencies.  She would remember him and details about him, absolutely.  She kept her wits and saved the day, according to BR.  She even joked around a bit with Cooper.  She showed him how to deploy the aft stairs.  Hardly the behavior of someone so traumatized she couldn't remember him and his features.

Meyer
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: dcmey on December 11, 2017, 07:38:47 AM
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Yup, something like that.
I think that is what they tried to do, but anybody that has done a little bit of research will find that Tina has PTSD and would not be able to ID DB Cooper from a pic. I am not saying that Rackstraw is Cooper BTW.

Tina sat next to DBC for 5 hours!  And let's not forget that stews and crew members get special training that most common folks don't get to deal with airline emergencies.  She would remember him and details about him, absolutely.  She kept her wits and saved the day, according to BR.  She even joked around a bit with Cooper.  She showed him how to deploy the aft stairs.  Hardly the behavior of someone so traumatized she couldn't remember him and his features.

Meyer
The FBI have said she has PTSD and would not be a good witness if someone was ever charged. Something else to think about for arguments sake if Cooper had makeup on and a toupee to alter his appearance then he would be harder to recognise. I am not saying that Rackstraw is the guy, but Cooper's age IMO could be younger than thought.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on December 11, 2017, 12:46:56 PM
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Yup, something like that.
I think that is what they tried to do, but anybody that has done a little bit of research will find that Tina has PTSD and would not be able to ID DB Cooper from a pic. I am not saying that Rackstraw is Cooper BTW.

Tina sat next to DBC for 5 hours!  And let's not forget that stews and crew members get special training that most common folks don't get to deal with airline emergencies.  She would remember him and details about him, absolutely.  She kept her wits and saved the day, according to BR.  She even joked around a bit with Cooper.  She showed him how to deploy the aft stairs.  Hardly the behavior of someone so traumatized she couldn't remember him and his features.

Meyer
The FBI have said she has PTSD and would not be a good witness if someone was ever charged. Something else to think about for arguments sake if Cooper had makeup on and a toupee to alter his appearance then he would be harder to recognise. I am not saying that Rackstraw is the guy, but Cooper's age IMO could be younger than thought.

Where does the FBI say that Tina has PTSD?  I believe that story is a bit of fiction created by one of our very own members whose initials are BS.

At least some of the flight attendants, and perhaps others, were asked by the FBI if Cooper was wearing make-up.  They all said no.

When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on December 11, 2017, 02:14:05 PM
R99 wrote: "When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread."

That's a pretty low mental health bar Robert.  ;)

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Robert99 on December 11, 2017, 02:26:39 PM
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R99 wrote: "When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread."

That's a pretty low mental health bar Robert.  ;)

377

Just reporting the facts. ;D
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 11, 2017, 08:36:10 PM
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Where does the FBI say that Tina has PTSD?  I believe that story is a bit of fiction created by one of our very own members whose initials are BS.


That is incorrect, Robert. I do not believe that Tina has PTSD, and have stated why just a few posts above on this page. I don't believe I have ever stated that the FBI believes Tina had PTSD, either. But the bottom line is: what affected Ms. Mucklow so profoundly that it required her to seek medical attention?

Simply, I believe that Tina has another kind of emotional disorder, something more akin to a conditioned reflex to certain triggers, such as the words: DB Cooper, journalist, skyjacking, etc. Where that conditioning came from is the subject of many lengthy discussions between yours truly and many others, but not on this forum due to the sensitive nature of these conversations and the blatant mockery that so many of us receive here.

Regardless, Tina is certainly in better shape nowadays than she was back in the late 1970s, as seen from her performance on the HC docu compared with her past medical history.

Also, I agree with your questioning of DC about his claim that the FBI said Tina had PTSD. The only federal agent I know to question her cognitive abilities was Russ Calame, and his opinion was more circumstantial.

Lastly, Tom Colbert wants desperately to throw Tina under the bus for her rejection of Airborne Bob, so anyone who spends time in Colbert Land is sure to be affected by his veiled brain-washing commentaries.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 11, 2017, 08:47:36 PM
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When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread.


That may be, Robert, but Tina's psychological issues may be continuing. Her emotional state in the HC docu appeared blunted. She displayed neither highs nor lows of emotion. She did not touch anyone - not even Bill Rataczak, whom presumably she hadn't seen in decades. Yes, the whole scene was staged, but Ms. Mucklow presented herself as a careful, contained woman, and that may be a clue to her deeper psychological state.

Continuing, she showed no anxiety - or any emotion for that matter - when talking about the bomb, or looking at the six-pac of suspect pix. I find that curious. Further, her speech patterns were flat, suggesting a suppressed inner state of being.

I suspect the whole HC docu filming was very stressful for her. She appeared much differently when she walked to the door when I spoke with her in late July 2011. She seemed light-hearted and bouncy on her feet, then, even happy.

That all changed instantaneously when I introduced myself.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: dcmey on December 11, 2017, 08:51:28 PM
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Where does the FBI say that Tina has PTSD?  I believe that story is a bit of fiction created by one of our very own members whose initials are BS.


That is incorrect, Robert. I do not believe that Tina has PTSD, and have stated why just a few posts above on this page. I don't believe I have ever stated that the FBI believes Tina had PTSD, either. But the bottom line is: what affected Ms. Mucklow so profoundly that it required her to seek medical attention?

Simply, I believe that Tina has another kind of emotional disorder, something more akin to a conditioned reflex to certain triggers, such as the words: DB Cooper, journalist, skyjacking, etc. Where that conditioning came from is the subject of many lengthy discussions between yours truly and many others, but not on this forum due to the sensitive nature of these conversations and the blatant mockery that so many of us receive here.

Regardless, Tina is certainly in better shape nowadays than she was back in the late 1970s, as seen from her performance on the HC docu compared with her past medical history.

Also, I agree with your questioning of DC about his claim that the FBI said Tina had PTSD. The only federal agent I know to question her cognitive abilities was Russ Calame, and his opinion was more circumstantial.

Lastly, Tom Colbert wants desperately to throw Tina under the bus for her rejection of Airborne Bob, so anyone who spends time in Colbert Land is sure to be affected by his veiled brain-washing commentaries.
I don't make up my own facts, I read it somewhere. I will find a link to prove my points and then I may post a lot less often because old members tend make the newbies feel unwelcome.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: dcmey on December 11, 2017, 09:24:08 PM
Here is a link that tells about the 5th DB Cooper Letter that suggests makeup and a toupee.
http://www.sfgate.com/local/article/D-B-Cooper-Seattle-FBI-cover-up-evidence-12357487.php
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: dcmey on December 11, 2017, 09:36:50 PM
https://themountainnewswa.net/2011/02/08/the-hunt-for-db-cooper-looking-for-tina/
This article was written by Bruce and talks about Tina and some former FBI agents talking about Tina's mental health. I was incorrect they didn't use the word PTSD but it sure sounds like it to me without using the word.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on December 11, 2017, 09:54:00 PM
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Here is a link that tells about the 5th DB Cooper Letter that suggests makeup and a toupee.
http://www.sfgate.com/local/article/D-B-Cooper-Seattle-FBI-cover-up-evidence-12357487.php

The files have a lot of letters sent by "DB Cooper" the letter in this article has never been verified as being Cooper, just as the others. I find it odd that he would use a double alias instead of signing them "Dan Cooper"
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on December 11, 2017, 09:56:02 PM
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Yup, something like that.
I think that is what they tried to do, but anybody that has done a little bit of research will find that Tina has PTSD and would not be able to ID DB Cooper from a pic. I am not saying that Rackstraw is Cooper BTW.

Tina sat next to DBC for 5 hours!  And let's not forget that stews and crew members get special training that most common folks don't get to deal with airline emergencies.  She would remember him and details about him, absolutely.  She kept her wits and saved the day, according to BR.  She even joked around a bit with Cooper.  She showed him how to deploy the aft stairs.  Hardly the behavior of someone so traumatized she couldn't remember him and his features.

Meyer
The FBI have said she has PTSD and would not be a good witness if someone was ever charged. Something else to think about for arguments sake if Cooper had makeup on and a toupee to alter his appearance then he would be harder to recognise. I am not saying that Rackstraw is the guy, but Cooper's age IMO could be younger than thought.

Where does the FBI say that Tina has PTSD?  I believe that story is a bit of fiction created by one of our very own members whose initials are BS.

At least some of the flight attendants, and perhaps others, were asked by the FBI if Cooper was wearing make-up.  They all said no.

When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread.

Hey, dcmey, don't be like Bruce Smith and start making stuff up.   Where do you get Tina had PTSD?  People think the crew would react the way common folks would react in such a situation.  Not.  These people are trained to deal with such situations, they know more than we do about emergency situations 30,000 feet in the air.  We talk like they didn't have a clue, that they didn't know how to handle the dire situation.  Not true, they simply did their job, and than included Tina.  Tina Mucklow looked pretty normal to me on that HC program.  Drama queen Bruce Smith will make up some scenario about her traumatized state of mind that drove her to an emotional breakdown, which lead her to a convent, which then lead to years and years of torment.  Smith got two words in, then Tina slammed the door in his face.  He come up with his dramatic conclusions after a two second encounter with Tina Mucklow.  That's what Smith does, he likes to embellish and sensationalize.  Maybe he should try to get a job with the National Enquirer or the paparazzi.  I think it would be a good fit.  And I don't buy the huge alteration in appearance caused by make-up.  MeyerLouie
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on December 11, 2017, 10:13:07 PM
read his post...he corrected his mistake...
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 12, 2017, 03:01:56 AM
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I don't make up my own facts, I read it somewhere. I will find a link to prove my points and then I may post a lot less often because old members tend make the newbies feel unwelcome.


Please don't let a few cranky people keep you away from the Forum, DC. I'm glad you're here and I welcome your commentaries.

Yes, I understand that people often say "PTSD" as a kind of short-hand for: "She's not quite right," and it's a generalized way of describing Tina's past state of mind. I think I mentioned that a few posts back when we started talking about Tina.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on December 12, 2017, 03:41:50 AM
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When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread.


That may be, Robert, but Tina's psychological issues may be continuing. Her emotional state in the HC docu appeared blunted. She displayed neither highs nor lows of emotion. She did not touch anyone - not even Bill Rataczak, whom presumably she hadn't seen in decades. Yes, the whole scene was staged, but Ms. Mucklow presented herself as a careful, contained woman, and that may be a clue to her deeper psychological state.

Continuing, she showed no anxiety - or any emotion for that matter - when talking about the bomb, or looking at the six-pac of suspect pix. I find that curious. Further, her speech patterns were flat, suggesting a suppressed inner state of being.

I suspect the whole HC docu filming was very stressful for her. She appeared much differently when she walked to the door when I spoke with her in late July 2011. She seemed light-hearted and bouncy on her feet, then, even happy.

That all changed instantaneously when I introduced myself.

Thank you Dr. Phil!  There you go again, making up stuff, again, off the cuff.  Your psychoanalysis of Tina Mucklow is so far-fetched, I don't even know where to begin.  Pure horseshit, as you are not even close to being qualified to even venture such an analysis.  Why did her demeanor changed when you introduced yourself?  It was because of  you, your poor "bedside manner,"  your rudeness.  You've admitted several times that people often slam the door in your face or don't bother to contact you.  I'm betting it's about you and the way you approach and talk to people.    Tina said in the HC program that some people need to "get a life."  I'll bet my last dollar she was referring to the likes of you and Cook, among others.  Jeez Smith, does it ever end with you?

Meyer

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Kermit on December 12, 2017, 12:21:27 PM
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When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread.


That may be, Robert, but Tina's psychological issues may be continuing. Her emotional state in the HC docu appeared blunted. She displayed neither highs nor lows of emotion. She did not touch anyone - not even Bill Rataczak, whom presumably she hadn't seen in decades. Yes, the whole scene was staged, but Ms. Mucklow presented herself as a careful, contained woman, and that may be a clue to her deeper psychological state.

Continuing, she showed no anxiety - or any emotion for that matter - when talking about the bomb, or looking at the six-pac of suspect pix. I find that curious. Further, her speech patterns were flat, suggesting a suppressed inner state of being.

I suspect the whole HC docu filming was very stressful for her. She appeared much differently when she walked to the door when I spoke with her in late July 2011. She seemed light-hearted and bouncy on her feet, then, even happy.

That all changed instantaneously when I introduced myself.

Seriously Bruce ? I was unaware of your profiling ability ! Where did you get your medical degrees ?
No wonder Tina slammed the door on you.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: dcmey on December 12, 2017, 01:00:28 PM
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I don't make up my own facts, I read it somewhere. I will find a link to prove my points and then I may post a lot less often because old members tend make the newbies feel unwelcome.


Please don't let a few cranky people keep you away from the Forum, DC. I'm glad you're here and I welcome your commentaries.

Yes, I understand that people often say "PTSD" as a kind of short-hand for: "She's not quite right," and it's a generalized way of describing Tina's past state of mind. I think I mentioned that a few posts back when we started talking about Tina.
Bruce thank you. On other forums that I have been on it was attack an issue not a person, some people here discourage newcomers like myself from being very active. I do think this is a great place to learn about DB Cooper and things related to the hijacking.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on December 12, 2017, 05:15:56 PM
Welcome dcmey.

Things get a little testy here at times but there is still a lot of love and camaraderie in the Cooper Vortex.

Look forward to seeing more posts from you and the other newcomers.

377
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 12, 2017, 06:18:11 PM
Hang in there, DC.

One last thought on PTSD and Tina: In the past I have written that many people subscribe Tina's behavior in the late 1970s as due to PTSD brought on by the skyjacking. That is what most people feel, I think, but it is not what I feel is going on with her.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 12, 2017, 06:26:55 PM
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Seriously Bruce ? I was unaware of your profiling ability ! Where did you get your medical degrees ?
No wonder Tina slammed the door on you.


Kermit, you make two different kinds of statements - asking two different questions:

One, you are asking me if and how I might be qualified to assess Mc. Mucklow.

Two, you are speculating on why Ms. Mucklow slammed her front door in my face.

Presumably, Tina Mucklow did not slam her door in my face because I do not have a medical degree.

But, she might have because I have been offering Cooper World some theories on what I think might be going on with her. So, she might simply be royally pissed-off at me for sharing my observations and opinions about her. Perhaps the door-slams are her way of giving me some editorial commentary in case I didn't grasp her veiled commentary on the HC that I should "get a life."

On the other hand, I might be on to something and getting too close for comfort.

As for my medical degree, etc., I am simply offering observations of behavior, and sharing some possible motivations or reasons for those behaviors. Would they have more weight if I had a degree in something psychological? Perhaps. But I doubt that it would satisfy any of my detractors.

But let's talk closer to home: Why are you pissed-off at me? Why does my commentary on Tina put your knickers in a twist so much that you attack me with mockery and derision?

Bottom Line: Why are you angry at me?

I say it's time to put your cards on the table.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 12, 2017, 06:32:05 PM
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Jeez Smith, does it ever end with you?

Meyer

Nope.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Kermit on December 12, 2017, 07:03:47 PM
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Seriously Bruce ? I was unaware of your profiling ability ! Where did you get your medical degrees ?
No wonder Tina slammed the door on you.


Kermit, you make two different kinds of statements - asking two different questions:

One, you are asking me if and how I might be qualified to assess Mc. Mucklow.

Two, you are speculating on why Ms. Mucklow slammed her front door in my face.

Presumably, Tina Mucklow did not slam her door in my face because I do not have a medical degree.

But, she might have because I have been offering Cooper World some theories on what I think might be going on with her. So, she might simply be royally pissed-off at me for sharing my observations and opinions about her. Perhaps the door-slams are her way of giving me some editorial commentary in case I didn't grasp her veiled commentary on the HC that I should "get a life."

On the other hand, I might be on to something and getting too close for comfort.

As for my medical degree, etc., I am simply offering observations of behavior, and sharing some possible motivations or reasons for those behaviors. Would they have more weight if I had a degree in something psychological? Perhaps. But I doubt that it would satisfy any of my detractors.

But let's talk closer to home: Why are you pissed-off at me? Why does my commentary on Tina put your knickers in a twist so much that you attack me with mockery and derision?

Bottom Line: Why are you angry at me?

I say it's time t
o put your cards on the table.

Im not angry at you so are you now going to start profiling me and my motives ? I first want to say “ Thanks Bruce “ for helping me get onboard to this forum as I was having trouble registering and you got hold of Shutter for me. I’m not being sarcastic but simply making an observation that IF you were making those type of comments about me, I would not be pleased. I’m serious ....... where did you get your psychological training from ? You simply talk like you actually have studied how the human mind works !
I think none of us know how much tension and stress may have been going on with ALL the crew members DURING this ordeal. It’s easy AFTER the fact to say they were never in danger ! I would be VERY scared that at any time this guy might blow up the plane. From all crew accounts, Tina did an awesome job. Perhaps if you treated her with the respect I feel she deserves, she would have made herself more available. JMHO
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 12, 2017, 09:14:06 PM
Thanks, Kermit, for a kindly response.

My psychological training, such as it is, comprises the following: (For those who have read this before, please excuse).

I spent 14 years as a recreation therapist in three different psychiatric facilities. First was the Nassau County Medical Center on Long Island for seven years. There I worked with a wide range of psychiatric disorders, but mostly schizophrenia and depression.

Next was a two-year stint at the Northport VA, where I encountered most of my PTSD folks.

Third, I spent four years at St Peter's Hospital in Olympia, WA, which had the only psych beds in northern Cooper County. There I had the majority of my exposure to personality disorders, such as Identity Disorders brought about by long-term sexual abuse, especially child molestation and rape. Olympia, WA is a nexus for women who experience these kinds of abuse.

Lastly, I was a psychotherapist in two different family and child counseling centers for a total of one year. My last six months was spent in a residential facility for teen-aged men who had been arrested as sexual predators. Nice guys, actually, when you get past some of the more troubling behaviors. I wrote a novel about my experiences at this facility, called: The Men of Honor of Unity House, and it follows the efforts of my team and I as we worked to bring these young men into a healthier and happier state of being. One of my main treatment goals was to teach these guys how to ask a young woman to the prom even when they are legally required to disclose their past offenses to the girl and her parents (!). Those episodes went a lot easier than most would think, as the parents were very forgiving and understanding in the main. The book is serialized and is posted at the Mountain News.

My academic background includes a BA in biology from Hofstra and a MA in Recreation from CUNY.

But perhaps the most important element of my psych knowledge is my own personal psychotherapy, as it is for most working clinicians. I've had over 800 individual sessions at last count.

Nevertheless, I consider my 25 years studying with Ramtha the Enlightened One, here in Yelm, WA, to be the most significant contribution to my understanding of the human condition.
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: 377 on December 13, 2017, 01:17:18 PM
Bruce wrote: "My academic background includes a BA in biology from Hofstra..." :bravo:

Bruce also wrote: "Nevertheless, I consider my 25 years studying with Ramtha the Enlightened One, here in Yelm, WA, to be the most significant contribution to my understanding of the human condition." MEH...

377

Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: georger on December 13, 2017, 01:53:01 PM
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Bruce wrote: "My academic background includes a BA in biology from Hofstra..." :bravo:

Bruce also wrote: "Nevertheless, I consider my 25 years studying with Ramtha the Enlightened One, here in Yelm, WA, to be the most significant contribution to my understanding of the human condition." MEH...

377

And I consider the time I spent in the gulag early in my life, running from Nazi's with guns and whips and dogs, a formative period in my life!  :rofl:
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 13, 2017, 02:59:00 PM
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Bruce wrote: "My academic background includes a BA in biology from Hofstra..." :bravo:

Bruce also wrote: "Nevertheless, I consider my 25 years studying with Ramtha the Enlightened One, here in Yelm, WA, to be the most significant contribution to my understanding of the human condition." MEH...

377

Now, now, Three-Seven-Seven...all roads lead to Heaven, don't they?
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 13, 2017, 03:00:02 PM
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Bruce wrote: "My academic background includes a BA in biology from Hofstra..." :bravo:

Bruce also wrote: "Nevertheless, I consider my 25 years studying with Ramtha the Enlightened One, here in Yelm, WA, to be the most significant contribution to my understanding of the human condition." MEH...

377

And I consider the time I spent in the gulag early in my life, running from Nazi's with guns and whips and dogs, a formative period in my life!  :rofl:

I imagine it would be!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on December 13, 2017, 08:25:38 PM
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Bruce wrote: "My academic background includes a BA in biology from Hofstra..." :bravo:

Bruce also wrote: "Nevertheless, I consider my 25 years studying with Ramtha the Enlightened One, here in Yelm, WA, to be the most significant contribution to my understanding of the human condition." MEH...

377

And I consider the time I spent in the gulag early in my life, running from Nazi's with guns and whips and dogs, a formative period in my life!  :rofl:
:good post: :bravo:
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on December 13, 2017, 08:26:07 PM
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Bruce wrote: "My academic background includes a BA in biology from Hofstra..." :bravo:

Bruce also wrote: "Nevertheless, I consider my 25 years studying with Ramtha the Enlightened One, here in Yelm, WA, to be the most significant contribution to my understanding of the human condition." MEH...

377

And I consider the time I spent in the gulag early in my life, running from Nazi's with guns and whips and dogs, a formative period in my life!  :rofl:
:good post: :bravo:      Good one, Georger!
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on December 13, 2017, 08:29:51 PM
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Jeez Smith, does it ever end with you?

Meyer




Nope.

That was Robert Blevins' response to that question.  So, we can expect more RMB-like responses from you, deficient of fact, science, and objectivity.
Meyer
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on December 13, 2017, 08:33:50 PM
Kermit said:

... From all crew accounts, Tina did an awesome job. Perhaps if you treated her with the respect I feel she deserves, she would have made herself more available. JMHO


Thanks Kermit.  That is the best response I've heard yet.  Therein lies the truth, Smith.
Meyer
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on December 13, 2017, 08:43:37 PM
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Thanks, Kermit, for a kindly response.

My psychological training, such as it is, comprises the following: (For those who have read this before, please excuse).

I spent 14 years as a recreation therapist in three different psychiatric facilities. First was the Nassau County Medical Center on Long Island for seven years. There I worked with a wide range of psychiatric disorders, but mostly schizophrenia and depression.

Next was a two-year stint at the Northport VA, where I encountered most of my PTSD folks.

Third, I spent four years at St Peter's Hospital in Olympia, WA, which had the only psych beds in northern Cooper County. There I had the majority of my exposure to personality disorders, such as Identity Disorders brought about by long-term sexual abuse, especially child molestation and rape. Olympia, WA is a nexus for women who experience these kinds of abuse.

Lastly, I was a psychotherapist in two different family and child counseling centers for a total of one year. My last six months was spent in a residential facility for teen-aged men who had been arrested as sexual predators. Nice guys, actually, when you get past some of the more troubling behaviors. I wrote a novel about my experiences at this facility, called: The Men of Honor of Unity House, and it follows the efforts of my team and I as we worked to bring these young men into a healthier and happier state of being. One of my main treatment goals was to teach these guys how to ask a young woman to the prom even when they are legally required to disclose their past offenses to the girl and her parents (!). Those episodes went a lot easier than most would think, as the parents were very forgiving and understanding in the main. The book is serialized and is posted at the Mountain News.

My academic background includes a BA in biology from Hofstra and a MA in Recreation from CUNY.

But perhaps the most important element of my psych knowledge is my own personal psychotherapy, as it is for most working clinicians. I've had over 800 individual sessions at last count.

Nevertheless, I consider my 25 years studying with Ramtha the Enlightened One, here in Yelm, WA, to be the most significant contribution to my understanding of the human condition.

Oh jeez, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.  Smith actually thinks he's an expert on psychoanalyzing Tina Mucklow's PTSD.  And he actually posted his credentials to prove he's a PTSD expert.  Piece-meal experiences with people experiencing PTSD and the Great One, Ramatha, do not make one an expert on PTSD. 

A psychotherapist for one whole year?  Degrees in Biology and Recreation?  These are credentials that help make you qualified to speak out on PTSD??  Really?
....

But on a positive note.....

You're much too modest and humble, Smith....you completely forgot to add your journalism experience to your resume.   Gotta hand it to ya, impressively humble. 



Meyer
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: Shutter on December 13, 2017, 08:46:34 PM
Meyer, it's obvious you don't like Bruce. we have seen 5 posts about it in a short period of time...lets move on from this, shall we?

Shutter
Title: Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
Post by: MeyerLouie on December 14, 2017, 01:38:30 AM
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Meyer, it's obvious you don't like Bruce. we have seen 5 posts about in a short period of time...lets move on from this, shall we?

Shutter


Okay, I'll lighten up.  I hope I didn't leave anything out about my true feelings.....sometimes I sugar-coat things when I get to talking about Smith, and I don't mean to....

Meyer