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Did Tom Colbert and his team find DB Cooper?

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Offline Bruce A. Smith

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Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
« Reply #675 on: November 23, 2016, 10:11:30 PM »
That's one.

Bill Rollins is working on the funding to get another docu off the ground, and my YouTube "DB Cooper Channel" should be up and running with lots of episodes by then.
 

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Re: Mountain News: DB Cooper case closed – but not abandoned - July 12, 2016
« Reply #676 on: November 24, 2016, 12:14:11 PM »
Nice commentary, as usual, Bruce.  I got the impression the History Channel and FBI conspired together to do a show promoting the closing of the case.  The Colbert story was just there to draw viewers and make it seem like something other than an FBI publicity stunt and propaganda film.  I think they pretty well dismissed Rackstraw as a viable suspect at the end--it was a bait and switch. 1) Build up Rackstraw so you can draw viewers; 2) diplomatically tell Cooper hunters to go away; 3) And by the way, Rackstraw is not Cooper. 
 

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Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
« Reply #677 on: November 24, 2016, 10:26:26 PM »
Yup, something like that.
 

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Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
« Reply #678 on: November 25, 2016, 10:43:40 PM »
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No reason for Cooper to keep the briefcase and fake bomb, but where are they?

If tossed, the case would likely split open on impact and the red sticks (flares?) might be visible to searchers and hunters for a while. The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?

And the chute, what happened to it? Those cadmium plated steel harness fittings will last for centuries. Maybe someday...

I find Bruce's info about the tie interesting. The original discovery and subsequent chain of custody is far from clear. What makes the FBI so sure it was Cooper's and what makes them so sure the DNA on the tie is his?

Every Vortex has eddys.

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/The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?/

Because they were tossed at different times in different places? Took different routes back to Cooper experts?  :))


 

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« Reply #679 on: November 25, 2016, 11:11:57 PM »
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No reason for Cooper to keep the briefcase and fake bomb, but where are they?

If tossed, the case would likely split open on impact and the red sticks (flares?) might be visible to searchers and hunters for a while. The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?

And the chute, what happened to it? Those cadmium plated steel harness fittings will last for centuries. Maybe someday...

I find Bruce's info about the tie interesting. The original discovery and subsequent chain of custody is far from clear. What makes the FBI so sure it was Cooper's and what makes them so sure the DNA on the tie is his?

Every Vortex has eddys.

377

/The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?/

Because they were tossed at different times in different places? Took different routes back to Cooper experts?  :))

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I talked about the briefcase a couple of weeks ago here -- it's still out there. 

And why is there such a big to-do about the tie?  The chain of custody is somewhat of a mystery, no one really knows if it was even Cooper's, it was discovered later and who knows how many hands touched it  --- that's too many variables, that's too many unknowns.   I just can't get all excited about researching something that has so many known unknowns.  One's laborious efforts may all be for nought.  I tend to stay out of the tie discussion for these reasons.

It would be really be something if a remnant of the briefcase, the flares, or parachute rigging could be found some day.  If they're out there, it is possible.  Time to get Jerry Thomas going on a search party, don't ya think?  South of the placard find, on V23?

In a situation like this one, is it standard protocol to bury the parachute after a jump?  If so, chances of finding it are slim to none.

MeyerLouie
 

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« Reply #680 on: November 25, 2016, 11:36:43 PM »
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No reason for Cooper to keep the briefcase and fake bomb, but where are they?

If tossed, the case would likely split open on impact and the red sticks (flares?) might be visible to searchers and hunters for a while. The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?

And the chute, what happened to it? Those cadmium plated steel harness fittings will last for centuries. Maybe someday...

I find Bruce's info about the tie interesting. The original discovery and subsequent chain of custody is far from clear. What makes the FBI so sure it was Cooper's and what makes them so sure the DNA on the tie is his?

Every Vortex has eddys.

377

/The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?/

Because they were tossed at different times in different places? Took different routes back to Cooper experts?  :))

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I talked about the briefcase a couple of weeks ago here -- it's still out there. 

And why is there such a big to-do about the tie?  The chain of custody is somewhat of a mystery, no one really knows if it was even Cooper's, it was discovered later and who knows how many hands touched it  --- that's too many variables, that's too many unknowns.   I just can't get all excited about researching something that has so many known unknowns.  One's laborious efforts may all be for nought.  I tend to stay out of the tie discussion for these reasons.

It would be really be something if a remnant of the briefcase, the flares, or parachute rigging could be found some day.  If they're out there, it is possible.  Time to get Jerry Thomas going on a search party, don't ya think?  South of the placard find, on V23?

In a situation like this one, is it standard protocol to bury the parachute after a jump?  If so, chances of finding it are slim to none.

MeyerLouie

Meyer,

Read the new releases from the Reno FBI agents concerning their finding the tie on the airliner during their initial search.
 

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« Reply #681 on: November 26, 2016, 03:28:16 AM »
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No reason for Cooper to keep the briefcase and fake bomb, but where are they?

If tossed, the case would likely split open on impact and the red sticks (flares?) might be visible to searchers and hunters for a while. The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?

And the chute, what happened to it? Those cadmium plated steel harness fittings will last for centuries. Maybe someday...

I find Bruce's info about the tie interesting. The original discovery and subsequent chain of custody is far from clear. What makes the FBI so sure it was Cooper's and what makes them so sure the DNA on the tie is his?

Every Vortex has eddys.

377

/The flimsy placard was found, why not the briefcase and contents?/

Because they were tossed at different times in different places? Took different routes back to Cooper experts?  :))

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I talked about the briefcase a couple of weeks ago here -- it's still out there. 

And why is there such a big to-do about the tie?  The chain of custody is somewhat of a mystery, no one really knows if it was even Cooper's, it was discovered later and who knows how many hands touched it  --- that's too many variables, that's too many unknowns.   I just can't get all excited about researching something that has so many known unknowns.  One's laborious efforts may all be for nought.  I tend to stay out of the tie discussion for these reasons.

It would be really be something if a remnant of the briefcase, the flares, or parachute rigging could be found some day.  If they're out there, it is possible.  Time to get Jerry Thomas going on a search party, don't ya think?  South of the placard find, on V23?

In a situation like this one, is it standard protocol to bury the parachute after a jump?  If so, chances of finding it are slim to none.

MeyerLouie

Meyer,

Read the new releases from the Reno FBI agents concerning their finding the tie on the airliner during their initial search.

I dont see anything new or revolutionary in these files given what we already knew. Nothing in these files changes science or the application of it. We do get confirmation that certain lab analysis was done - but we already knew that. Sadly once again the actual lab reports are missing. I guess as important as Gray is he doesn't merit being given an old lab report .... which I find hilarious! Same old same-old. The FBI is getting good mileages out of its Gray nickles! FBI needs somebody to carry their clubs to hole 18!  :))

On a less cynical note, once again we get a reference to 'and he kept his hand in the briefcase' ... while others sweated and some watched with growing curiosity. Lets say as Rollins says that DB was an engineer ... an engineer with his hand blindly fumbling around with wires in a dark box he cannot see into, but knows the feel of red-3 from blue-4? This guy must either be the worst engineer to ever walk on feet or he's suicidal or the bomb is a dud and his hand gestures are all an act, for Flo and Tina's consumption (neither has a college degree!). He's either an idiot and suicidal gambling with his own life or the bomb is a fake and he's playing to his audience like any good psychologist would. So psychologist or engineer or suicidal depressive neurotic?   

Let's ask Bruce. He probably knows!

It's just that 'kept his hand inside the closed brief case' keeps popping up in the files. Like the energizer bunny at Christmas time. Kept his hand inside a closed brief case with lose wires he had just shown Flo and Tina saying: "if I touch this wire to this ... we all go to Valhalla !". And now this asshole has his hand inside the closed lid of the briefcase, fucking around in the dark! With Tina and Flo watching it taking it seriously. Do you get the drift of this?   

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Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
« Reply #682 on: November 26, 2016, 04:53:03 AM »
Yes, but was he a left-handed "suicidal depressive neurotic" skyjacker?
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« Reply #683 on: November 26, 2016, 01:28:25 PM »
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Yes, but was he a left-handed "suicidal depressive neurotic" skyjacker?

How do you know Cooper was left-handed?  Please cite a source?
 

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« Reply #684 on: November 26, 2016, 02:21:54 PM »
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Yes, but was he a left-handed "suicidal depressive neurotic" skyjacker?

Well, its not my job to tell the Great Wizard how to do his job! Im sure through the use of astrology and Neurokinesiology you will arrive at some conclusion, in 5000 words or less (over 50 weekly issues) . You are the professional psychologist so conjur and devine and let us know -  in 5000 words or less (over 50 weekly issues).

Frankly, I'm bored with the whole thing. I'm moving fast away from Cooperphelia back into Pokeman and cigarettes!

The stage is yours and Vicki's.

What can you experts tell us about hair analysis? Is there a Hair Bunny?

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« Reply #685 on: November 26, 2016, 04:33:03 PM »
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Yes, but was he a left-handed "suicidal depressive neurotic" skyjacker?

Well, its not my job to tell the Great Wizard how to do his job! Im sure through the use of astrology and Neurokinesiology you will arrive at some conclusion, in 5000 words or less (over 50 weekly issues) . You are the professional psychologist so conjur and devine and let us know -  in 5000 words or less (over 50 weekly issues).

Frankly, I'm bored with the whole thing. I'm moving fast away from Cooperphelia back into Pokeman and cigarettes!

The stage is yours and Vicki's.

What can you experts tell us about hair analysis? Is there a Hair Bunny?

 :-\

Why would the stage be mine? I am just wasting time on Percocet after having foot surgery on Tuesday. I just happened to be cruising Facebook and. Boom, Bam, there it was.....Geoffrey Grays posting on his FB Page. So, I thought to myself, "Self, this is some f'n awesome information that we could use on the Index". There. How ws that tap dance? Because it kinda hurts.
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« Reply #686 on: November 26, 2016, 04:39:45 PM »
My foot hurts, too, EVick! Car accident bang-up. Big toe is apparently dislocated but not broken - so the Drs. say...

Nevertheless, the show must go on, particularly now that we have the stage. Really glad you saw the GG piece and let us know. I might have missed it - and having GG's undivided attention to help me access the file was critical, too!
 

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« Reply #687 on: November 28, 2016, 01:21:00 PM »
Get well soon wishes out to Vicki and Bruce. Bet Vicki's recovery is more pleasant (Percocet ;)).

I'm glad Geoff Gray is still interested in the Cooper case. I thought he had moved on to promoting The People's Horse.

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« Reply #688 on: November 28, 2016, 02:10:17 PM »
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Get well soon wishes out to Vicki and Bruce. Bet Vicki's recovery is more pleasant (Percocet ;)).

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Thanks 377,

I stopped taking the Percocet on Friday. Made me ill! Is that the point? The pills made my stomach feel worse than my foot.   

I had a follow up appointment this morning to have post op X-Rays, take off the bandages and re-apply bandages. My Dr. told me I must have a high pain tolerance.  ::)  Pictures were taken!!   
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« Reply #689 on: November 28, 2016, 02:43:55 PM »
The Percocet made me ill, too! How can folks get addicted to it?

But, I'm walking around okay. Thanks 377 -