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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2250 on: July 11, 2019, 07:40:12 PM »
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What airlines flew from PDX to SEA in 1971? Did they all use 727's?

NWO
Pan Am
United

Eastern? Continental?

I lived in Portland in 1971 and most of my life. My Ex wife worked for Hughes Air West and they flew mostly 727’s back then. I know they flew out of Portland and most of the West. I got married in Reno and flew Hughes Air West.

The question was related to the Portland to Seattle route.  It is unlikely that Hughes Air West, or any other airline, had more than minimal service on that route using 727s.  Economics is the reasons.  The hijacked airliner probably had a capacity of 100+ passengers but only 30+ passengers were on board which is a load factor of 30+ percent and no airliner is going to make a profit with 727s on that segment with that load factor.  And note that this was a busy Thanksgiving travel day.

The Hughes Air West, NWA, and others who flew 727s into or out of Portland probably had destinations such as San Francisco, Los Angeles, Denver, Minneapolis, or other routes that were lengthy enough and had enough passenger traffic to earn a profit.

Robert, you of course are more of an authority on fuel consumption on commercial airlines than myself ! Although I spent 6 years in refueling in Ore Air National Guard, my expertise was in mechanics and I was only mediocre at that. I was only stating that Hughes Air West flew Pdx to Seattle back in the 70’s. Whether they were DC 9 or 727
I have no idea !
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2251 on: July 11, 2019, 11:56:48 PM »
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Back to basics -

Parachute Assoc expert testifies about Cooper's jump.

Part II below next post...
This is fantastic stuff, georger, and thank you. It really eliminates most of the question of whether an experienced jumper could have made the jump wearing loafers and in those conditions, into that terrain. Was particularly surprised when the jumper said they could have survived a jump into water.

Himmelsbach and Tosaw weren't buying -  ;)

Yes, this file caught my eye. I have more just as interesting so will post em as I can read, sort, and organize them. I have found 2 more Ckret posts (2007-08) quoting Rzk, two 302's citing Rzk's lights testimony, and more ... stay tuned.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2252 on: September 16, 2019, 01:56:30 PM »
Has anyone heard of this movie. a new member having trouble navigating this forum emailed this question...

 "Did the FBI ever investigate the TV show "Ripcord" (1961 - 1964) was there an episode w/ them jumping from a 727?"
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2253 on: September 16, 2019, 02:20:34 PM »
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Has anyone heard of this movie. a new member having trouble navigating this forum emailed this question...

 "Did the FBI ever investigate the TV show "Ripcord" (1961 - 1964) was there an episode w/ them jumping from a 727?"

Apparently the show was produced from 1961 to 1963. The inaugural flight of the 727 was February 9, 1963, it entered service February 1, 1964. Therefore, it seems all but certain that the show did not feature anyone jumping from a 727. 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2254 on: September 16, 2019, 03:26:41 PM »
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Has anyone heard of this movie. a new member having trouble navigating this forum emailed this question...

 "Did the FBI ever investigate the TV show "Ripcord" (1961 - 1964) was there an episode w/ them jumping from a 727?"

Apparently the show was produced from 1961 to 1963. The inaugural flight of the 727 was February 9, 1963, it entered service February 1, 1964. Therefore, it seems all but certain that the show did not feature anyone jumping from a 727.


Uh,   the 727 was designed and tested with a sizeable HOLE in the back. The hole could be opened and closed. Things can pass through HOLES whether the HOLE is in motion or stationary on the ground. Its one of those mysteries of the Maldum Fornax. 

The same principle works in reverse osmosis! 'Fast' Eddy O. Pasternak of Baltimore researched this in the 1970s. He now is retired from Standard Oil. All holes are not equal! Holes in some materials will pass things one direction but not in the reverse direction.  Its one of those mysteries of the Maldum Fornax.   
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2255 on: September 16, 2019, 04:24:03 PM »
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Has anyone heard of this movie. a new member having trouble navigating this forum emailed this question...

 "Did the FBI ever investigate the TV show "Ripcord" (1961 - 1964) was there an episode w/ them jumping from a 727?"

Apparently the show was produced from 1961 to 1963. The inaugural flight of the 727 was February 9, 1963, it entered service February 1, 1964. Therefore, it seems all but certain that the show did not feature anyone jumping from a 727.


Uh,   the 727 was designed and tested with a sizeable HOLE in the back. The hole could be opened and closed. Things can pass through HOLES whether the HOLE is in motion or stationary on the ground. Its one of those mysteries of the Maldum Fornax. 

The same principle works in reverse osmosis! 'Fast' Eddy O. Pasternak of Baltimore researched this in the 1970s. He now is retired from Standard Oil. All holes are not equal! Holes in some materials will pass things one direction but not in the reverse direction.  Its one of those mysteries of the Maldum Fornax.

Georger,

You posted several weeks ago that you had "experts" working on the placard problem and that they would expose EU and myself as frauds.  Please hurry up and post their results.  I can't hold my breath much longer waiting for the shoe to drop.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2256 on: September 16, 2019, 11:26:14 PM »
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Has anyone heard of this movie. a new member having trouble navigating this forum emailed this question...

 "Did the FBI ever investigate the TV show "Ripcord" (1961 - 1964) was there an episode w/ them jumping from a 727?"

Apparently the show was produced from 1961 to 1963. The inaugural flight of the 727 was February 9, 1963, it entered service February 1, 1964. Therefore, it seems all but certain that the show did not feature anyone jumping from a 727.


Uh,   the 727 was designed and tested with a sizeable HOLE in the back. The hole could be opened and closed. Things can pass through HOLES whether the HOLE is in motion or stationary on the ground. Its one of those mysteries of the Maldum Fornax. 

The same principle works in reverse osmosis! 'Fast' Eddy O. Pasternak of Baltimore researched this in the 1970s. He now is retired from Standard Oil. All holes are not equal! Holes in some materials will pass things one direction but not in the reverse direction.  Its one of those mysteries of the Maldum Fornax.

Georger,

You posted several weeks ago that you had "experts" working on the placard problem and that they would expose EU and myself as frauds.  Please hurry up and post their results.  I can't hold my breath much longer waiting for the shoe to drop.

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