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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5715 on: September 17, 2020, 02:11:11 PM »
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Of course there is the famous map with the flight path roughly plotted in pencil. What's the history of this map? I assumed that it was from the FBI. Do we know who was responsible for plotting it out?

Also, that map seems to be segmented into locations plotted every minute. How would someone do that a day or two after the fact? The note "1st plot" written at the top would seem to indicate some other information gathered from radar.

Apparently it was plotted by either someone at the FBI using data from the Air Force. Or, it was plotted by someone from the Air Force.

The time plots came from other data collected from--I'm not really sure where--perhaps the flight data recorder. That said, it is also flawed.

How do I know this? There is a missing time plot at 20:04. What happened to it? How is this possible?

The first plot also doesn't account for the depicted flight path from SEA to the "first plot." How was this first portion of the flight path--which I believe to be incorrect--crafted?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5716 on: September 17, 2020, 02:18:08 PM »
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Conversation/argument starter:

Does the discovery of the placard by hunters in 1978 lend credence to the FBI's V23 flight path or the Western Flight Path?

Chaucer, the placard and some other matters support what is now called the Western Flight Path.  This has been discussed at considerable lengths here and at DropZone for the last 10 years.
Tom Kaye’s Citizen Sleuths website would indicate otherwise? Also, you assume that your opinion is the consensus when it seems more like the minority opinion.

Chaucer, there you go again.  You are the one who needs to start sticking to science and facts and not just your opinions or the opinions of others.  So far as I am aware, you don't have a single fact to disprove the so-called Western Flight Path.  And how about mentioning your aeronautical qualifications that make you feel qualified to question that flight path.  You can't hide behind "Chaucer" for ever.

Since 2010, I have posted extensively both here and on DropZone the facts that support the Western Flight Path and the problems with other proposed flight paths.  I have listed my aeronautical qualifications and signed those posts with my real name.  Or to put it another way, I stand behind what I have posted on the Western Flight Path and that is more than just opinions.
Why do you always default to "defensive ass" any time I do anything than enthusiastically agree with you?

I fully admit that my knowledge of the case is less than most (if not all of the other frequent posters here - including you. Perhaps, instead of acting like a prick, you educate people new to the case? Because in educating myself, it seems that the Central Flight Path is the accepted one and so far I haven't seen anything that indicates otherwise.

My original question related to the placard and so far no one has provided a shred of evidence EITHER WAY. Not even you. Sorry if I don't want to scroll through hundreds of pages of people acting like A-holes to each other to get a satisfying answer.

Chaucer,

Based on your last paragraph above, you seem to feel that there are a lot of "A-holes" on this site.  You may be right on that point, but don't expect any of them to kiss your ring or whatever.

And don't expect any of them to give you private lessons on the Cooper hijacking if you not willing to expend a bit of time checking into what has been done here and on DropZone in the last decade.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5717 on: September 17, 2020, 02:18:30 PM »
Technically, the map shouldn't be called "The FBI flight path". the map was made and plotted by the air force. NWO worked on the dropzone.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5718 on: September 17, 2020, 02:29:56 PM »
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Technically, the map shouldn't be called "The FBI flight path". the map was made and plotted by the air force. NWO worked on the dropzone.

There is no proof that the so-called "FBI Flight Path" is the flight path map plotted by the USAF.  There is plenty of information on that map that did not come from the USAF.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5719 on: September 17, 2020, 02:30:54 PM »
Documents state where the map came from?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5720 on: September 17, 2020, 02:32:25 PM »
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Documents state where the map came from?

Where are the documents that state this particular map was prepared by the USAF?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5721 on: September 17, 2020, 02:39:47 PM »
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Documents state where the map came from?

Where are the documents that state this particular map was prepared by the USAF?

I will have to find them and post them but they have been posted numerous times in the last couple years..including one saying they had two charts and one marked with green pen..if not mistaken it might also say on the fib site where the map can be downloaded..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5722 on: September 17, 2020, 02:46:02 PM »
Here is one..
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5723 on: September 17, 2020, 02:52:41 PM »
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Of course there is the famous map with the flight path roughly plotted in pencil. What's the history of this map? I assumed that it was from the FBI. Do we know who was responsible for plotting it out?

Also, that map seems to be segmented into locations plotted every minute. How would someone do that a day or two after the fact? The note "1st plot" written at the top would seem to indicate some other information gathered from radar.

Apparently it was plotted by either someone at the FBI using data from the Air Force. Or, it was plotted by someone from the Air Force.

The time plots came from other data collected from--I'm not really sure where--perhaps the flight data recorder. That said, it is also flawed.

How do I know this? There is a missing time plot at 20:04. What happened to it? How is this possible?

The first plot also doesn't account for the depicted flight path from SEA to the "first plot." How was this first portion of the flight path--which I believe to be incorrect--crafted?

Nonsense. The FBI does not make flight path maps! The FBI does not make RNA virus vaccines either! They dont breed cats and dogs and sell-em either! They dont sell camels! They dont make cars and trucks! They dont make dishes and macaronni! 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5724 on: September 17, 2020, 02:56:59 PM »
Here is another reference...there is another in reference to the SAGE. also, when looking at the dropzone data it mentions USAF radar data..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5725 on: September 17, 2020, 03:00:11 PM »
I have about 97% of all the flight data into one file if anyone wishes to look over the documents..
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5726 on: September 17, 2020, 03:03:00 PM »
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Here is another reference...

That attachment states that the USAF provided a map to the FBI that showed the flight path from Seattle to the Oregon-California border.  The so-called "FBI Flight Path" map does not show this. 

There is no proof that the FBI Flight Path map is even a part of the map that the USAF provided to NWA and the FBI.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5727 on: September 17, 2020, 03:04:34 PM »
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I have about 97% of all the flight data into one file if anyone wishes to look over the documents..

Are you talking about actual flight data or just the posts about the flight data?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5728 on: September 17, 2020, 03:05:07 PM »
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Here is another reference...there is another in reference to the SAGE. also, when looking at the dropzone data it mentions USAF radar data..

Note the date nOVEMBER 26/71
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5729 on: September 17, 2020, 03:06:18 PM »
It's all the information surrounding the flight path...I guess data is the wrong word to use..