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I've learned a few things about the sketches from Nat:
1. Tina and Alice liked the Composite A best. Flo was luke-warm.
2. Flo didn't think it was nasty enough, and eventually Composite B was developed about 8 months later. Eventually, all 3 FAs approved Composite B as a good likeness.
3. Over time, Flo didn't like B either, so in the 1980s made her own composite sketch, which I find downright scary.
4. Composite A was developed in Minneapolis with Alice, Flo, And Tina all together. Several versions were developed and then shown to "other witnesses," presumably the passengers, most likely Gregory, Mitchell, House, Spreckel and Labissioniere.
5. The initial A sketch didn't have any eyes, so it was hard to get a real good sense of the "likeness." Eyes and glasses were added later.
6. Composite B began in August of 1972, but it took almost another six months of passing several versions around to the three FAs and the group of "other witness" for final approval. The initial sketching of B with Roy Rose took place remotely. All 3 FAs were home and sent in their suggestions to Rose via separate FBI teletypes.
7. Nat's analysis comes from the 2011 interview with Rose - done by somebody - and the FBI 302s that are now available.
8. I'm not seeing any special weight given to any individual, such as Bill Mitchell, or discounted by too much emotionality, such as Flo.
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Well this is all interesting, if not entertaining. It's a level above the previous DZ/Weber discussions about sketches posted years ago. Somebody has done some actual research, for a change.
I see the Cooper hijacking as a low level 'poor man's' enterprise; not a CIA operation. If it was done to get funds, then the price was way too low! $500k should have been asked for. What grudge did Hunt have that applies to 'airlines'? And the same for any of Hunt's colleagues. Who would hire Hunt and his thugs to do an airline hijacking which has nothing to do with geopolitics? From Cooper's comments his hijacking was personal with no obvious geopolitical connection. It might be someone who worked with Hunt, a Latin person who works cheap, who didnt even have a personal parachute to bring to the party?
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I've learned a few things about the sketches from Nat:
1. Tina and Alice liked the Composite A best. Flo was luke-warm.
2. Flo didn't think it was nasty enough, and eventually Composite B was developed about 8 months later. Eventually, all 3 FAs approved Composite B as a good likeness.
3. Over time, Flo didn't like B either, so in the 1980s made her own composite sketch, which I find downright scary.
4. Composite A was developed in Minneapolis with Alice, Flo, And Tina all together. Several versions were developed and then shown to "other witnesses," presumably the passengers, most likely Gregory, Mitchell, House, Spreckel and Labissioniere.
5. The initial A sketch didn't have any eyes, so it was hard to get a real good sense of the "likeness." Eyes and glasses were added later.
6. Composite B began in August of 1972, but it took almost another six months of passing several versions around to the three FAs and the group of "other witness" for final approval. The initial sketching of B with Roy Rose took place remotely. All 3 FAs were home and sent in their suggestions to Rose via separate FBI teletypes.
7. Nat's analysis comes from the 2011 interview with Rose - done by somebody - and the FBI 302s that are now available.
8. I'm not seeing any special weight given to any individual, such as Bill Mitchell, or discounted by too much emotionality, such as Flo.
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Well this is all interesting, if not entertaining. It's a level above the previous DZ/Weber discussions about sketches posted years ago. Somebody has done some actual research, for a change.
I see the Cooper hijacking as a low level 'poor man's' enterprise; not a CIA operation. If it was done to get funds, then the price was way too low! $500k should have been asked for. What grudge did Hunt have that applies to 'airlines'? And the same for any of Hunt's colleagues. Who would hire Hunt and his thugs to do an airline hijacking which has nothing to do with geopolitics? From Cooper's comments his hijacking was personal with no obvious geopolitical connection. It might be someone who worked with Hunt, a Latin person who works cheap, who didnt even have a personal parachute to bring to the party?
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You make some good points here G. I also wondered why cooper didn’t ask for more money. Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the 200k the least amount requested for any hijacking involving ransom? The only thing I can think of is cooper knew about the 250k all packaged up and ready to go at Sea First. If he asked for over 250k the fbi would of had to scramble to come up with more cash, this might of been problematic and taken more time, seeing as it was late in the day on the eve of thanksgiving. Also he might of requested 200k because he didn’t want to ask for the exact amount they had set aside as that might of raised suspicions that cooper might of been somebody like a Hunt, who was on the inside and well connected, to have known about the ransom fund. That might also explain why cooper never asked for a specific denomination because he already knew he was gonna get what he was gonna get.
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I've learned a few things about the sketches from Nat:
1. Tina and Alice liked the Composite A best. Flo was luke-warm.
2. Flo didn't think it was nasty enough, and eventually Composite B was developed about 8 months later. Eventually, all 3 FAs approved Composite B as a good likeness.
3. Over time, Flo didn't like B either, so in the 1980s made her own composite sketch, which I find downright scary.
4. Composite A was developed in Minneapolis with Alice, Flo, And Tina all together. Several versions were developed and then shown to "other witnesses," presumably the passengers, most likely Gregory, Mitchell, House, Spreckel and Labissioniere.
5. The initial A sketch didn't have any eyes, so it was hard to get a real good sense of the "likeness." Eyes and glasses were added later.
6. Composite B began in August of 1972, but it took almost another six months of passing several versions around to the three FAs and the group of "other witness" for final approval. The initial sketching of B with Roy Rose took place remotely. All 3 FAs were home and sent in their suggestions to Rose via separate FBI teletypes.
7. Nat's analysis comes from the 2011 interview with Rose - done by somebody - and the FBI 302s that are now available.
8. I'm not seeing any special weight given to any individual, such as Bill Mitchell, or discounted by too much emotionality, such as Flo.
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Well this is all interesting, if not entertaining. It's a level above the previous DZ/Weber discussions about sketches posted years ago. Somebody has done some actual research, for a change.
I see the Cooper hijacking as a low level 'poor man's' enterprise; not a CIA operation. If it was done to get funds, then the price was way too low! $500k should have been asked for. What grudge did Hunt have that applies to 'airlines'? And the same for any of Hunt's colleagues. Who would hire Hunt and his thugs to do an airline hijacking which has nothing to do with geopolitics? From Cooper's comments his hijacking was personal with no obvious geopolitical connection. It might be someone who worked with Hunt, a Latin person who works cheap, who didnt even have a personal parachute to bring to the party?
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You make some good points here G. I also wondered why cooper didn’t ask for more money. Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the 200k the least amount requested for any hijacking involving ransom? The only thing I can think of is cooper knew about the 250k all packaged up and ready to go at Sea First. If he asked for over 250k the fbi would of had to scramble to come up with more cash, this might of been problematic and taken more time, seeing as it was late in the day on the eve of thanksgiving. Also he might of requested 200k because he didn’t want to ask for the exact amount they had set aside as that might of raised suspicions that cooper might of been somebody like a Hunt, who was on the inside and well connected, to have known about the ransom fund. That might also explain why cooper never asked for a specific denomination because he already knew he was gonna get what he was gonna get.
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It is an interesting theory. And it also works the other way as well ---- If he knew there was 250k set aside, but did not know the denominations of that 250k, then it stands to reason why he didn't specify a denomination when he made the ransom demand. He didn't want to request the wrong denomination because that would have caused even further delay while the airline rounded up the correct bills. So he figures he won't specify a denomination, which means he'll just take whatever they have available and it won't lead to any additional time sitting on the runway in Seattle waiting.
If he knew the ransom was in $20 bills, maybe he had to determine how much weight he was comfortable jumping with. I believe the 200k came in at around 23 pounds or so? So perhaps he decided that 25 pounds was going to be his comfort limit given the type of jump he was making. Maybe he knew the full 250k would have been pushing the weight limit too much?
I tend to agree that the fact he did not ask for a specific denomination was not an error or oversight on Cooper's part, but rather something he did with intention and purpose.
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I've always found the Joshua Ryal sketch interesting, because he's an absolute Everyman. A face that just blends. But I tend to go with B just because it's less dependent on Flo. I still think it's interesting the eyes got added in when other witnesses were added and didn't come from Flo, who is the perfect example of emotion colouring memory.
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