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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5445 on: April 08, 2020, 02:11:05 AM »
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Starts with the Babinski and other neurological tests at birth ?  . . .

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Is there a test for measuring the egos of self proclaimed neurologists?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5446 on: April 08, 2020, 02:57:08 AM »
Has anyone analyzed the cuts made on the chute cords to see if they can determine his dominant hand? Nothing on Tom's page about it.
 

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« Reply #5447 on: April 08, 2020, 04:29:13 AM »
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Has anyone analyzed the cuts made on the chute cords to see if they can determine his dominant hand? Nothing on Tom's page about it.

Actually that's not a bad idea. Cut marks have been analyzed on other objects for handedness and other factors. Someone else suggested that way back somewhere ... You might look that up ... or consult a physical anthropologist that specializes in that area ... Tom might even know of such a person? I tend to think the angle at which cord was cut might relate to handedness?   

We know he made the cuts with a pocket knife he produced. We dont know the make or brand, size, sharpness . . . several stews watched him cutting the cords and asked him about it. It's an open question waiting to be answered ... 
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« Reply #5448 on: April 08, 2020, 04:40:08 AM »
It is a shame one poster continues to belittle and attack another poster especially when he knows absolutely nothing about the person, and he also knows there is a basis for what the first poster is saying! His attacks are not just personal but also against the very enterprise of learning and exploration, on a forum no less where exploration and examinations are supposed to be the whole purpose for being here!  ::)

It throws into question the whole agenda of the party. His credibility. His motives. Not to mention being infantile and as boring as the day is long.   

Things I say can be checked or validated easily. My recent remarks about neurology are about at the same level as anyone would get from an Introduction to Psychology course 101 in any major university! Im not inventing the wheel here - far from it! It's not my fault that other people are so boorishly illiterate! And unable to contribute anything of any value.  That's not my fault and I can't do anything about other people's endless stupid diatribes as if complaining and mocking someone endlessly will change the basic facts of science, or human neurology in particular as it may apply in the Cooper case!

If these people say the principles of neurology I mention are wrong, or dont apply in the Cooper case, then it is their burden to simply say so and provide some evidence!

Otherwise Mr Shutter needs to give Mssrs Ulis and Nicholson the absolute right to decide what posters may or may not say, what topics posters may or may not post about! In other words just turn this whole forum over to these guys and let them run it and decide who and what they want here!! I assess that is in fact what they want! Or they can go form their own forum and chose who they want and do not want and make whatever rules they want to run their own forum. Those are the choices at stake.       

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5449 on: April 08, 2020, 05:05:52 AM »
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Has anyone analyzed the cuts made on the chute cords to see if they can determine his dominant hand? Nothing on Tom's page about it.

Actually that's not a bad idea. Cut marks have been analyzed on other objects for handedness and other factors. Someone else suggested that way back somewhere ... You might look that up ... or consult a physical anthropologist that specializes in that area ... Tom might even know of such a person? I tend to think the angle at which cord was cut might relate to handedness?   

We know he made the cuts with a pocket knife he produced. We dont know the make or brand, size, sharpness . . . several stews watched him cutting the cords and asked him about it. It's an open question waiting to be answered ...

I'll skip looking it up. I only mention it because people seem interested, and it's a better bet than stats regarding what side of the aisle he picked to sit in. Whenever possible, use the physical evidence.
 

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« Reply #5450 on: April 08, 2020, 05:13:30 AM »
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Has anyone analyzed the cuts made on the chute cords to see if they can determine his dominant hand? Nothing on Tom's page about it.

Actually that's not a bad idea. Cut marks have been analyzed on other objects for handedness and other factors. Someone else suggested that way back somewhere ... You might look that up ... or consult a physical anthropologist that specializes in that area ... Tom might even know of such a person? I tend to think the angle at which cord was cut might relate to handedness?   

We know he made the cuts with a pocket knife he produced. We dont know the make or brand, size, sharpness . . . several stews watched him cutting the cords and asked him about it. It's an open question waiting to be answered ...

I'll skip looking it up. I only mention it because people seem interested, and it's a better bet than stats regarding what side of the aisle he picked to sit in. Whenever possible, use the physical evidence.

My only reservation is cut mark projects Ive seen were with hard objects - bone, wood, bronze-copper, etc; not with flexible soft tissue or fabric. But I would not shortchange what physical anthropologists etc can do these days. Email Tom about it. Frankly you have me a little curious about this now ... let me make a few calls tomorrow or as soon as I can. Let us know what Tom had to say if anything ...  I think this is worth exploring! Good idea!!   

I assume none of those cut chords were submitted for lab work ... but Im not sure. Maybe FJ has run across something? ....

Good idea! It's worth looking into .....
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« Reply #5451 on: April 08, 2020, 05:28:54 AM »
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My only reservation is cut mark projects Ive seen were with hard objects - bone, wood, bronze-copper, etc; not with flexible soft tissue or fabric. But I would not shortchange what physical anthropologists etc can do these days. Email Tom about it. Frankly you have me a little curious about this now ... let me make a few calls tomorrow or as soon as I can. Let us know what Tom had to say if anything ...  I think this is worth exploring! Good idea!!   

I assume none of those cut chords were submitted for lab work ... but Im not sure. Maybe FJ has run across something? ....

Good idea! It's worth looking into .....

If he did the old loop over the knife, pull down and cut up, there won't be anything to prove. But it reads as though he cut the cords in a weird way. Could show something.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5452 on: April 08, 2020, 12:09:21 PM »
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It is a shame one poster continues to belittle and attack another poster especially when he knows absolutely nothing about the person, and he also knows there is a basis for what the first poster is saying! His attacks are not just personal but also against the very enterprise of learning and exploration, on a forum no less where exploration and examinations are supposed to be the whole purpose for being here!

It throws into question the whole agenda of the party. His credibility. His motives. Not to mention being infantile and as boring as the day is long.
   

Then why do you continue to do it?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5453 on: April 08, 2020, 07:38:53 PM »
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I think that there is a tendency to look for connections among things that usually don't exist.

People rob banks for a reason. The reason being that they want money.

DB Cooper extorted $200K because he wanted $200K. Moreover, it's safe to assume that he wanted to get away with it...that he didn't want to get caught.

Therefore, may I suggest that sometimes a skyjacking and extortion is nothing more than a skyjacking and extortion. After all, I have yet to identify a single bank robber that ever robbed a bank for anything other than the money.

So why didn’t cooper just rob a bank then? Would of been a hell of a lot easier then his caper. If it was about getting 200k well there are easier ways. I don’t think jumping out of an airplane at night in not the best of weather would be at the top of your list of options...If we compiled a list of the most ideal ways to get 200k in 1971 this would rank at the very bottom. That tells me he wanted to make a statement.
 

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« Reply #5454 on: April 08, 2020, 07:53:38 PM »
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Schaffner again...one wire

she said there was one small wire (singular) leading from the dynamite which Cooper was holding in his hand and the bare part of the wire to a contact could detonate the bomb..

I believe In here interview for unsolved mysteries she says 2 wires?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5455 on: April 08, 2020, 08:24:16 PM »
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Schaffner again...one wire

she said there was one small wire (singular) leading from the dynamite which Cooper was holding in his hand and the bare part of the wire to a contact could detonate the bomb..

I believe In here interview for unsolved mysteries she says 2 wires?


I spoke with Eric the other day...it sounds more like the wire was contained in the briefcase and that's why his hand was in it often..if it was fake it still gives the impression he could set off the bomb by connecting the wire or completing the circuit...

Robbing a bank for 200 grand isn't going to happen..they usually don't have that much cash on hand. most bank robbers only hit one teller..even if you hit them all it's not going to come close to that..2003 the average take in Michigan bank robberies was a little over $800.
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« Reply #5456 on: April 08, 2020, 09:28:16 PM »
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If he did the old loop over the knife, pull down and cut up, there won't be anything to prove. But it reads as though he cut the cords in a weird way. Could show something.

Actually, after more consideration, I think even that method of cutting would demonstrate the cutting hand, and in that case almost certainly the dominant hand of the perp.  Maybe I'll try cutting up some clotheslines and other various cords & ropes using a few different methods and see what they look like compared to the Cooper chute cords, because now I'm curious.
 

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« Reply #5457 on: April 09, 2020, 12:40:45 AM »
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If he did the old loop over the knife, pull down and cut up, there won't be anything to prove. But it reads as though he cut the cords in a weird way. Could show something.

Actually, after more consideration, I think even that method of cutting would demonstrate the cutting hand, and in that case almost certainly the dominant hand of the perp.  Maybe I'll try cutting up some clotheslines and other various cords & ropes using a few different methods and see what they look like compared to the Cooper chute cords, because now I'm curious.

It's that nobody's testimony states which hand he held the knife in.
 

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« Reply #5458 on: April 09, 2020, 12:44:50 AM »
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I think that there is a tendency to look for connections among things that usually don't exist.

People rob banks for a reason. The reason being that they want money.

DB Cooper extorted $200K because he wanted $200K. Moreover, it's safe to assume that he wanted to get away with it...that he didn't want to get caught.

Therefore, may I suggest that sometimes a skyjacking and extortion is nothing more than a skyjacking and extortion. After all, I have yet to identify a single bank robber that ever robbed a bank for anything other than the money.

So why didn’t cooper just rob a bank then? Would of been a hell of a lot easier then his caper. If it was about getting 200k well there are easier ways. I don’t think jumping out of an airplane at night in not the best of weather would be at the top of your list of options...If we compiled a list of the most ideal ways to get 200k in 1971 this would rank at the very bottom. That tells me he wanted to make a statement.

Money and a large political statement. Thats my guess. Now if he had robbed a bank and jumped off the roof or a nearby water towre, that might have received attention!  ;D    Shutter is right about small banks not having much money on hand one can grab quickly ....
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« Reply #5459 on: April 09, 2020, 01:05:45 AM »
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Money and a large political statement. Thats my guess.

What was the statement then?