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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5400 on: April 05, 2020, 04:16:06 PM »
Only as last resort...I don't think he believed it would happen..it's possible it could of......
 

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« Reply #5401 on: April 05, 2020, 04:18:36 PM »
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Only as last resort...I don't think he believed it would happen..it's possible it could of......

all stews had to do was alert the cockpit and outside that 'Cooper is now screwing around with the chutes' his hands are not near the bomb and the plane could have been rushed. One shot and its over. I guess everyone decided to let him go and cooperate which is a bit astounding to me.

I have to go . . . been nice. Thanks.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5402 on: April 05, 2020, 06:51:14 PM »
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Examining the origins of the information pertaining to the pursing of the lips would indicate that an important piece of information may have been inadvertently released to the public.  It is worth consideration as it is indicative of tardive dyskinesia.  The action of the mouth in this case is described as having relaxed and firm positions that may appear when pulsating in rhythm to resemble a goldfish while oxygenating the gills.  The action, when observed, is variable between a subtle twitch when he is calm and relaxed to a rapid pulsating increasing in intensity as excitement or concentration increases in intensity.   It is a permanent involuntary action that persists into old age.  Tardive dyskinesia may be an unintended side effect of the 1st Generation anti-psychotic medications and may be indicative of prior abhorrent behaviors of the fugitive that may have attracted the attention of medical professionals in the time period prior to the hijacking.  If validated, it provides a characteristic of the fugitive that would be a valuable tool for people to spot him at a radius far beyond the effectiveness of the composite drawings and other descriptions of the physical characteristics of the hijacker.  It is an eye-catching behavior when observed even from a distance. It would be valuable holdback information as it speaks volumes about him.

The idea of Cooper having a facial tic - Where does this information come from and how reliable might it be?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5403 on: April 05, 2020, 08:01:39 PM »
Welcome Dudeman....

I don't know where the info came from. I seriously doubt that would be held back. it's usually something the suspect did or said that can be matched.

"They generally keep quiet about a few details that only the killer could know—anything from an object left at the scene to the way a garrote was tied around a victim’s neck. The chief detective on a case usually decides what evidence to make public and what to withhold, although his choices are sometimes influenced (or overruled) by the police chief. In a high-profile case, the police department will generally hold a press conference immediately after discovering a crime but release few details about the case. Later, once those assigned to the case have had a chance to sift through the evidence, police will decide which details to make public."

they could easily discount suspects if this was the case...holding back parts of a description would not help them or the public while looking for Cooper..
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« Reply #5404 on: April 05, 2020, 10:05:57 PM »
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Only as last resort...I don't think he believed it would happen..it's possible it could of......

Someone refresh me here. 

Cooper is sitting to the right of Tina.  She lights his cigarettes for him.

Is he smoking with his left hand, and his right hand is always in the briefcase?  I thought I read somewhere that Flo was the one that said he had his hand in the briefcase the whole time.  The whole time in this case would not have been long if it was Flo talking.  Maybe it was Tina.  But he had it in there from takeoff in Portland all the way until when? When he counts the money?  He drinks with one hand too?  It's a long time to have your hand in the briefcase.

Let's get creative here.  Why else would he keep his hand in the briefcase?  Tina is pretty harmless, he seems to like her, and she is ok with him.  It's not like she is going to overpower him.

Possibilities:

He really is afraid that he will need to set off the bomb and wants to keep his hands close
He has a gun in there and wants it close
He has a watch on, or some identifying jewelry
He has a scar or a tattoo or a mark on his hand
His hands give him away as blue collar and not the hands of a businessman

EU, Shutter, Martin, Bruce, couple of other guys, you think out of the box, what are some ideas?

By the way, in the 1970 movie Airport, a deranged man makes a briefcase bomb with dynamite and wires and carries it on a plane.  He uses a deadman switch, a little sliver of wood attached to a string.  This movie is said to have been one of the first "disaster" type movies of the new genre.
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« Reply #5405 on: April 05, 2020, 10:25:26 PM »
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Examining the origins of the information pertaining to the pursing of the lips would indicate that an important piece of information may have been inadvertently released to the public.  It is worth consideration as it is indicative of tardive dyskinesia.  The action of the mouth in this case is described as having relaxed and firm positions that may appear when pulsating in rhythm to resemble a goldfish while oxygenating the gills.  The action, when observed, is variable between a subtle twitch when he is calm and relaxed to a rapid pulsating increasing in intensity as excitement or concentration increases in intensity.   It is a permanent involuntary action that persists into old age.  Tardive dyskinesia may be an unintended side effect of the 1st Generation anti-psychotic medications and may be indicative of prior abhorrent behaviors of the fugitive that may have attracted the attention of medical professionals in the time period prior to the hijacking.  If validated, it provides a characteristic of the fugitive that would be a valuable tool for people to spot him at a radius far beyond the effectiveness of the composite drawings and other descriptions of the physical characteristics of the hijacker.  It is an eye-catching behavior when observed even from a distance. It would be valuable holdback information as it speaks volumes about him.

The idea of Cooper having a facial tic - Where does this information come from and how reliable might it be?

Info came from unverified report of early 2000’s interview of FBI Sketch Artist Roy ROSE by Doug PASTERNAK.  I’ve tried to get a transcript, but was unsuccessful.  I am possession of one other source that is also unverified at this time so I’m unable to provide specifics.  The language in the post reflects this as it is not written as an absolute, but highly possible a trait that COOPER exhibited.  If verified with reliable documentation, it would be highly significant.  Still digging deep into this one but am stonewalled.  Interesting reaction to the post though, might be an avenue to pursue at some point in the near future. 
   
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5406 on: April 05, 2020, 10:34:00 PM »
I don't see the need to hide a handicap such as that. it's something that could clearly identify him from others and easily clear others through medical records. it could possibly hurt the case more...it's usually something said or done that hasn't been released or something left behind that ties him to the case.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5407 on: April 05, 2020, 10:38:16 PM »
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He uses a deadman switch, a little sliver of wood attached to a string.

That was a movie...nothing even close to that was seen..

You don't want to over think the process. his left hand was in the briefcase and while partially open he allowed Tina to view the contents. I didn't think he opened up all the way. to much exposure.

one wire was leading out of the briefcase. you typically need two wires to complete a circuit. it's possible he was holding a second wire or making sure of it's location since he was noticed going in and out of the case. the only other thing could be a weapon. it was of great interest to him what ever it was. I doubt he was trying to hide a watch or jewelry. he could of taken off any jewelry prior to getting on the plane. no real reason to hide a watch.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5408 on: April 05, 2020, 11:02:41 PM »
lets say the bomb was real...all that's required has been explained. adding a switch vs some sort of pulling device to complete the circuit doesn't make sense. nothing else was noticed in the bottom of the briefcase other than wires a battery and the dynamite. no pulleys, metal or circuitry was noticed. Cooper could of easily said all I have to do is pull on this wire. why would he hide saying that vs making contact? adding a switch or push button for his hand would make sense..

It's as simple as jumping a car. three terminals can be attached but no charging will occur until the circuit is complete or the fourth terminal is connected.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5409 on: April 05, 2020, 11:15:52 PM »
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lets say the bomb was real...all that's required has been explained. adding a switch vs some sort of pulling device to complete the circuit doesn't make sense. nothing else was noticed in the bottom of the briefcase other than wires a battery and the dynamite. no pulleys, metal or circuitry was noticed. Cooper could of easily said all I have to do is pull on this wire. why would he hide saying that vs making contact? adding a switch or push button for his hand would make sense..

It's as simple as jumping a car. three terminals can be attached but no charging will occur until the circuit is complete or the fourth terminal is connected.

I've seen nothing that indicates a deadman's switch.  However, Flyjack has come up with a lot of information on this case, so I'll wait and see if maybe he found an obscure file.

I referenced the movie Airport more because the deranged bomber and his actions reminded me of DB Cooper at times, and it came out a year before DB Cooper pulled off his hijacking.

If I'm DB Cooper, and I say "if I pull this string or push this button" a bomb goes off, versus showing someone the wires, the sticks, and the battery, I'll choose the latter.  Seeing the actual bomb and wires sends a bigger message.

And a deadman's switch is not just in that movie.  I've seen it in print in Army field manuals/technical manuals.  Booby Traps and Improvised Munitions come to mind.  What the numbers on those manuals are? I forget.  But that's one of the places I learned to make one.
 

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« Reply #5410 on: April 05, 2020, 11:32:43 PM »
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lets say the bomb was real...all that's required has been explained. adding a switch vs some sort of pulling device to complete the circuit doesn't make sense. nothing else was noticed in the bottom of the briefcase other than wires a battery and the dynamite. no pulleys, metal or circuitry was noticed. Cooper could of easily said all I have to do is pull on this wire. why would he hide saying that vs making contact? adding a switch or push button for his hand would make sense..

It's as simple as jumping a car. three terminals can be attached but no charging will occur until the circuit is complete or the fourth terminal is connected.

I've seen nothing that indicates a deadman's switch.  However, Flyjack has come up with a lot of information on this case, so I'll wait and see if maybe he found an obscure file.

I referenced the movie Airport more because the deranged bomber and his actions reminded me of DB Cooper at times, and it came out a year before DB Cooper pulled off his hijacking.

If I'm DB Cooper, and I say "if I pull this string or push this button" a bomb goes off, versus showing someone the wires, the sticks, and the battery, I'll choose the latter.  Seeing the actual bomb and wires sends a bigger message.

And a deadman's switch is not just in that movie.  I've seen it in print in Army field manuals/technical manuals.  Booby Traps and Improvised Munitions come to mind.  What the numbers on those manuals are? I forget.  But that's one of the places I learned to make one.

good post!
 

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« Reply #5411 on: April 05, 2020, 11:34:17 PM »
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I don't see the need to hide a handicap such as that. it's something that could clearly identify him from others and easily clear others through medical records. it could possibly hurt the case more...it's usually something said or done that hasn't been released or something left behind that ties him to the case.

That very point has been discussed at this end from every angle possible.  They would have had him in the first week of the investigation, it makes no sense whatsoever in my opinion to have held back that info if it is valid.   It stands out like whacking your thumb with a hammer.  It is something that forms strong memories when you observe it.  People that may have known him but not seen him for several years would be providing tips.  Even if he had grown a full beard it would be noticeable and people would remember it.  If it is holdback info that was leaked or inadvertently released, only the FBI can answer that, and there is no claim here to speak on their behalf on any subject matter whatsoever.  How and why they do things is of their choosing.  All we can do is provide tips and tell them what we have seen that may be of value to them.  It’s their baby. 
 

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« Reply #5412 on: April 05, 2020, 11:41:19 PM »
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I've seen nothing that indicates a deadman's switch.  However, Flyjack has come up with a lot of information on this case, so I'll wait and see if maybe he found an obscure file.

If the FBI wanted something about the detonation of the bomb kept secret they wouldn't allow the information out to the public in any form. I fail to see any "file" surfacing going against witness testimony. they would of simply stated he had a bomb. not eight sticks or battery...nothing. he just had a bomb.

I'm betting a separate file containing the evidence not released to the public is in a safe place.
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« Reply #5413 on: April 06, 2020, 01:14:53 AM »
A dead mans switch would typically be something that stops the completion of a circuit. a button would be pushed to break the circuit. if the button is released (being shot while holding the button) the circuit would be complete and the bomb would go off.

If a wire or string would be used it would have to complete the circuit from inside by pulling on the wire. that would be a problem if you were shot. unless it was tied to your hand..technically, any way you explode a bomb on purpose tied to you or near your body would be a dead mans switch..

people have taken a hostage using a shotgun and wire around there hand to the trigger and around the neck of the victim to insure the gun goes off if the suspect is grabbed or shot.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5414 on: April 06, 2020, 01:45:32 AM »
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I think that there is a tendency to look for connections among things that usually don't exist.

People rob banks for a reason. The reason being that they want money.

DB Cooper extorted $200K because he wanted $200K. Moreover, it's safe to assume that he wanted to get away with it...that he didn't want to get caught.

Therefore, may I suggest that sometimes a skyjacking and extortion is nothing more than a skyjacking and extortion. After all, I have yet to identify a single bank robber that ever robbed a bank for anything other than the money.


You are contradicting your own point Eric...if you wanted money just rob a bank?? Why do something like this go back to my post and coopers comments it was a person grudge.