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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5370 on: April 05, 2020, 01:48:59 PM »
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As we have previously discussed, I have a duplicate of the briefcase that you use in your demonstration.  Storing a handgun in the folder pocket?  No way unless it is a small 0.25 automatic or such.  Further, there is no mention of a folder pocket in any description of the brief case by the stews.

I just did it. what part of that did you miss? there is zero documentation about the interior of the case. only the visible contents..is my briefcase the one Cooper used. doubtful..even attache cases have folders..

the photo with my hand in the case is in the folder..it also closes with all contents mentioned..plenty of space in the compartment area with the dynamite and battery..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5371 on: April 05, 2020, 01:53:20 PM »
Also, I doubt he opened the case completely. they couldn't even name the brand of the battery since they were focused on the dynamite...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5372 on: April 05, 2020, 02:31:23 PM »
Dynamite comes in different diameters...7/8" 1" 1 1/4" are the sizes I have found. I made two sets of dynamite. one is a an inch and doesn't breach the bottom portion and then made a bundle one and a quarter inches that does by around one half inch..descriptions were both 1" and one and a quarter. the battery sticks above the bottom portion...after building the bundle of inch and a quarter makes me wonder if it was really that big or could be described as one inch. the location of the dynamite and battery would have to be on one side to fit a semi auto..a revolver is smaller that would fit better..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5373 on: April 05, 2020, 02:56:17 PM »
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5374 on: April 05, 2020, 03:04:05 PM »
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GEORGER I'm not sure what your point is with all of the above...Are you saying that DBC was not motivated by the $200 K and merely wanted to make a political statement?

OK, have it. Enlighten me. What political statement did he make?

I mean, what the hell good is a political statement if it goes unnoticed?

My job is not to figure out YOU!  Just because you dont understand or accept something  does not make you right and it wrong.

When asked by Mucklow why he was doing what he was doing (hijacking the airline) Cooper said I have a grudge. He even defined that.

Why am I spending my time explaining this to you? The issue is DB Cooper, not you!  :nono:
 

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« Reply #5375 on: April 05, 2020, 03:05:58 PM »
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GEORGER I'm not sure what your point is with all of the above...Are you saying that DBC was not motivated by the $200 K and merely wanted to make a political statement?

OK, have it. Enlighten me. What political statement did he make?

I mean, what the hell good is a political statement if it goes unnoticed?

My job is not to figure out YOU!  Just because you dont understand or accept something  does not make you right and it wrong.

When asked by Mucklow why he was doing what he was doing (hijacking the airline) Cooper said I have a grudge. He even defined that.

Why am I spending my time explaining this to you? The issue is DB Cooper, not you!  :nono:

Ok, we have heard from both sides, so lets move on....
 

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« Reply #5376 on: April 05, 2020, 03:11:00 PM »
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As we have previously discussed, I have a duplicate of the briefcase that you use in your demonstration.  Storing a handgun in the folder pocket?  No way unless it is a small 0.25 automatic or such.  Further, there is no mention of a folder pocket in any description of the brief case by the stews.

I just did it. what part of that did you miss? there is zero documentation about the interior of the case. only the visible contents..is my briefcase the one Cooper used. doubtful..even attache cases have folders..

the photo with my hand in the case is in the folder..it also closes with all contents mentioned..plenty of space in the compartment area with the dynamite and battery..

Where is FLYJACK'S deadman switch? The device he says Cooper used to defeat sky marshal's. He insists there was one -  I guess he saw it or something. ??

FJ says:

Blowing up a plane was a common method for making a political statement.. that is terrorism.
Hijacking for ransom using the threat of a bomb is altogether different. 
Cooper was not making a political statement. He was after the cash..
Cooper's use of a (dead man switch) bomb was tactical to thwart potential sky marshal's or being shot by a sniper.


There is one problem with FJ's claim:  Tina didn;t describe a deadman switch, nor did she describe actions which would require there was one.

 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5377 on: April 05, 2020, 03:16:03 PM »
what do you mean...a switch with the bomb?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5378 on: April 05, 2020, 03:16:24 PM »
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A real bomb makes no sense on a number of different levels. A fake bomb makes perfect sense.

To you it does. criminals hardly make sense most of the time. dynamite is easily disarmed. if the bomb was fake then it's possible he had a backup..much like experience with parachutes as many claim he had gives the same conclusion with explosives. hints of knowledge are present. real or fake it was vital to the completion of the crime. if he was confronted and it was fake. he would of been in a lot of trouble. if it was "well thought out" as many claim then he would certainly have a backup. we are dealing with someone who doesn't think logically in some cases. committing crimes is not logical. it's only logical to the suspect.

you have to think like a criminal...lets say Cooper made the bomb just like I did. he can't go around asking people if it looks real. he starts thinking and wondering if they will buy it. a backup would be something to take into consideration while hoping they believe it's real. there is not to many reasons he would have his hand in the briefcase. he already threw up a screen with the exposed wire outside the case. Marshals were a concern to him. radio frequencies were mentioned. being rushed was obviously on his mind. if everything was logical we wouldn't have any unsolved crimes..

This is one of the reasons I posted research links, but alas nobody here is interested - they just make up their own stuff! Hollywood. Hollywood, denial, and COVID! More cases here than in China!!
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5379 on: April 05, 2020, 03:17:25 PM »
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what do you mean...a switch with the bomb?

Read FJ's post. He says Cooper bomb had a deadman switch.


FJ says:

Blowing up a plane was a common method for making a political statement.. that is terrorism.
Hijacking for ransom using the threat of a bomb is altogether different.
Cooper was not making a political statement. He was after the cash..
Cooper's use of a (dead man switch) bomb was tactical to thwart potential sky marshal's or being shot by a sniper.
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« Reply #5380 on: April 05, 2020, 03:18:32 PM »
it would have to involve circuitry to have any type of delay or ignition..the battery was the source of ignition to the detonator..
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5381 on: April 05, 2020, 03:19:29 PM »
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it would have to involve circuitry to have any type of delay or ignition..the battery was the source of ignition to the detonator..

FJ says it had a deadman switch !

As usual he provides no source for this - its just his reading of ..... the tea leaves? Based on prior gaming he is probably basing his claim on something Flo or Tina said, or did not say.

The problem with this is, it was Tina or Flo who described Cooper's demonstration, and what they described involved touching two wire together - not a deadman switch.   
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« Reply #5382 on: April 05, 2020, 03:24:37 PM »
They were convinced enough with the battery and dynamite...it's not rocket science making a real one in Cooper's configuration..all that's needed is a power source (#6 dry cell battery) a electrical detonator which has two wires coming from it that you attach to the ignition source (battery) the detonator is pushed into the end of the dynamite...connect the wires and BOOM...anything between the detonator and battery would call for some sort of circuitry to control a detonation..
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« Reply #5383 on: April 05, 2020, 03:27:33 PM »
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They were convinced enough with the battery and dynamite...it's not rocket science making a real one in Cooper's configuration..all that's needed is a power source (#6 dry cell battery) a electrical detonator which has two wires coming from it that you attach to the ignition source (battery) the detonator is pushed into the end of the dynamite...connect the wires and BOOM...

And that is exactly how Cooper explained it in his demonstration to (Flo or Tina) ....... 'all I have to do is touch these two wire together.'  Cooper's own words.  In other words "touching wires" which is NOT a deadman switch which has to be held/pressed in at all times.

Fact is there could have been a deadman switch but it would have had to be deactivated by detaching a battery wire because .... Cooper did other things - he did not just sit in a seat holding the briefcase bomb for hours!

 
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« Reply #5384 on: April 05, 2020, 03:32:01 PM »
I haven't seen a reference to two wires..I believe he states if contact is made..one wire is coming out of the briefcase..that's why I believe he might of been monitoring the second wire...