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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5040 on: November 05, 2019, 05:33:11 PM »
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I'd like to put that sticker on my skydive helmet. Only the old-timers would get it.

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Then you would have to jump over the area where it was found  :rofl:
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5041 on: November 05, 2019, 05:41:32 PM »
If Cooper had to resort to the emergency panel to get the stairs down, I could see him tearing the panel (above it?) off just to see if there was a hidden panel behind it? Cooper himself admitted he was having trouble getting the stairs activated - thought the cockpit could do it, etc. He may have also been frustrated. That is one possible scenario.   
 

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« Reply #5042 on: November 05, 2019, 05:45:19 PM »
If Cooper was right handed he would of discarded it right on the lower stairs if it was above or beside the emergency panel.
 
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« Reply #5043 on: November 05, 2019, 05:55:55 PM »
Another troubling thing is you would think NWO would of known exactly where it was and shouldn't have to point it out with blueprints. would of be easy to say it was right by the controls in the stairs? kind of popped into my head just now..
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5044 on: November 05, 2019, 07:22:00 PM »
There were only five of the placards left. Therefore, I ordered all five. This means I can send two off to Georger, one to Shutter and one to 377 if he's interested, in addition to keeping one for myself.

They should be to me by Friday.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5045 on: November 05, 2019, 07:24:10 PM »
Thanks Eric...just sent V2 info...
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5046 on: November 05, 2019, 08:58:10 PM »
Boeing 737 exterior door. notice the maroon colored placard with a red one on top...


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« Reply #5047 on: November 05, 2019, 10:33:02 PM »
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Boeing 737 exterior door. notice the maroon colored placard with a red one on top...


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Those decals look normal and are on the side entrance/exit doors which have an escape slide attached (per the instructions).  Those decals are on to stay and are not going to come off except with considerable effort by someone on the ground.
 

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« Reply #5048 on: November 05, 2019, 11:48:13 PM »
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There were only five of the placards left. Therefore, I ordered all five. This means I can send two off to Georger, one to Shutter and one to 377 if he's interested, in addition to keeping one for myself.

They should be to me by Friday.

Thats great - I really appreciate your thoughtfulness. If you need $$ let me know.

Are these originals ... surplus from Boeing? Dorwin will get my no.2 and I will give you credit for it. He will love this! 
 

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« Reply #5049 on: November 05, 2019, 11:54:39 PM »
Brand new, FJ posts:

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Huh, a large part from a 727 was found, it was from directly above the rear stairs door...
not from NORJAK plane .. "
 

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« Reply #5050 on: November 06, 2019, 06:36:57 AM »
We still need more clarification on the placard. to date I have seen two different color placards/markers for emergency operations. one being red and the other is maroon. we have the entire placard shown in pictures (front & back) confirming it is a decal with peel off adhesive as I always suspected. we know the stairs can be lowered from two options in the stairwell and two options from the ground underneath the fuselage. the exterior emergency release is a pump when the hydraulics fail. the stairwell emergency option has a red handle you pull to release the stairs just as the placard states. several photo's have been found in different planes showing both options in the stairwell and still no placard matching the Hicks placard is seen in the stairwell. two larger placards are commonly seen on the bottom of the fuselage on each of the strike plate. the emergency option in the stairwell is behind a small panel you pull off to access the handle. clarification is written on that panel. it's possible as R99 pointed out that it was added by the airlines. one would tend to believe Northwest would know this and easily explain to the FBI the placard was near the controls in the stairwell. it should of been extremely easy to explain vs "outside by the rear door"
 

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« Reply #5051 on: November 06, 2019, 07:40:02 AM »
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We still need more clarification on the placard. to date I have seen two different color placards/markers for emergency operations. one being red and the other is maroon. we have the entire placard shown in pictures (front & back) confirming it is a decal with peel off adhesive as I always suspected. we know the stairs can be lowered from two options in the stairwell and two options from the ground underneath the fuselage. the exterior emergency release is a pump when the hydraulics fail. the stairwell emergency option has a red handle you pull to release the stairs just as the placard states. several photo's have been found in different planes showing both options in the stairwell and still no placard matching the Hicks placard is seen in the stairwell. two larger placards are commonly seen on the bottom of the fuselage on each of the strike plate. the emergency option in the stairwell is behind a small panel you pull off to access the handle. clarification is written on that panel. it's possible as R99 pointed out that it was added by the airlines. one would tend to believe Northwest would know this and easily explain to the FBI the placard was near the controls in the stairwell. it should of been extremely easy to explain vs "outside by the rear door"

It is entirely possible that this placard was added by NWO. Moreover, it is possible that the exact location of the placard varied to some degree on each jet.

That said, we know the placard was next to the emergency access door that concealed the red handle. This is inside the fuselage, but outside of the bulkhead door.
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« Reply #5052 on: November 06, 2019, 08:27:23 AM »
It appears Boeing had a placard/marker made then had blueprints drawn up to explain where they go and submit them to the FAA for approval. this would help in a crash identifying pieces. it still bothers me they didn't just say the placard was located near the controls in the stairwell. should of been the best way to tell the FBI. a larger rectangle placard on the bottom of the fuselage that explains the exterior emergency location. two are located on the bottom and are seen in dozens of photo's and video's...
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« Reply #5053 on: November 06, 2019, 08:36:23 AM »
After trying to find the placard on a 737 I noticed something. It's possible the computer tracking system uses word phrases also in locating parts. one placard for a 737 is called a "overwing emergency exit handle" very similar to the wording on the Hicks placard.

I remember 20 years ago you had to be careful on search words on the internet or porn would pop up.. :rofl:
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5054 on: November 06, 2019, 11:32:10 AM »
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We still need more clarification on the placard. to date I have seen two different color placards/markers for emergency operations. one being red and the other is maroon. we have the entire placard shown in pictures (front & back) confirming it is a decal with peel off adhesive as I always suspected. we know the stairs can be lowered from two options in the stairwell and two options from the ground underneath the fuselage. the exterior emergency release is a pump when the hydraulics fail. the stairwell emergency option has a red handle you pull to release the stairs just as the placard states. several photo's have been found in different planes showing both options in the stairwell and still no placard matching the Hicks placard is seen in the stairwell. two larger placards are commonly seen on the bottom of the fuselage on each of the strike plate. the emergency option in the stairwell is behind a small panel you pull off to access the handle. clarification is written on that panel. it's possible as R99 pointed out that it was added by the airlines. one would tend to believe Northwest would know this and easily explain to the FBI the placard was near the controls in the stairwell. it should of been extremely easy to explain vs "outside by the rear door"

When the stairs are "up" they are undoubtedly "locked" into that position with no hydraulic pressure required to keep them there.  During normal operations, hydraulic pressure would probably be required to "unlock" the stairs and lower them in a gentle manner.  During an emergency situation with no hydraulic pressure, those famous red handles would be pulled to "unlock" the stairs which would then free fall due to gravity. 

After the red handles had been pulled, it would probably requires the services of a mechanic to get things straightened out so that the stairs could be raised and locked in a normal manner.