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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4950 on: November 02, 2019, 05:57:25 PM »
All of the placard files have been placed in our vault for easy viewing.....


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ADDED: I had a duplicate file and one missing on the previous link. all the files are now in place with the new link.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4951 on: November 03, 2019, 12:07:28 AM »
Why does agent Gordon say the placard was found 12 miles east of Kelso in the newspaper?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4952 on: November 03, 2019, 10:20:40 AM »
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Why does agent Gordon say the placard was found 12 miles east of Kelso in the newspaper?

In reality the Hicks' placard was found about 12 NE of Kelso. Just sloppy reporting.

The bigger question is what the back story is regarding the above-referenced 2nd placard. Clearly the memo is referencing what appears to be a 2nd placard (date found, county found, person who found it). What makes it more compelling is the fact that NWO attributed a 99% likelihood to it coming from 305. Moreover, it would require a drift of over 20 miles if the FBI Flight Path is accurate, not to mention the Western Flight Path.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4953 on: November 03, 2019, 10:30:00 AM »
The county sheriff needs to be contacted. probably get the same results as Cowlitz but worth a try..
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« Reply #4954 on: November 03, 2019, 11:15:40 AM »
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The county sheriff needs to be contacted. probably get the same results as Cowlitz but worth a try..

I am going to reach out to a few people, including the Sheriff's Office in Skamania County, tomorrow. I suspect you're right about this inasmuch as they're likely to not have any idea what I'm talking about.

Importantly, regardless of whether this is Hicks' placard or a 2nd placard, it ended up with the FBI in Seattle. Ok...where did it go? I know that Tom didn't see it in Seattle. How does this piece of evidence disappear?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4955 on: November 03, 2019, 11:33:27 AM »
I just sent the files to Tom. he never heard of a second placard.
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« Reply #4956 on: November 03, 2019, 11:38:02 AM »
The document dated 12-6-78 is interesting. the crew states "decals" came off, meaning more than one. he also explains  similar event could of happened with 305. newspaper explains Cowlitz and the FBI decided not to investigate any further. then a second placard is found on 5-2-79..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4957 on: November 03, 2019, 12:11:52 PM »
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The document dated 12-6-78 is interesting. the crew states "decals" came off, meaning more than one. he also explains  similar event could of happened with 305. newspaper explains Cowlitz and the FBI decided not to investigate any further. then a second placard is found on 5-2-79..

It certainly seems to be a second placard. Also, apparently it was determined to be 99% likely from 305. Here are a few problems though:

1) THE LOCATION: North Skamania County where logging takes place puts it over 20 miles from the FBI Flight Path. This is simply way too far for the placard to have drifted in the wind. R99's placard drift analysis for the Hicks' placard was approximately 8 miles.

2) THE TIMING: I do not like coincidences. The fact that this placard was apparently discovered 6 months after Hicks' placard--by the way, eight months before the money find--which itself was found after 7 years strikes me as an odd coincidence.

3) THE SECRECY: If a second placard from 305 was found why hasn't this ever been reported? Why is this new news 48 years later?

4) WHERE IS IT?: Apparently no one has ever seen this piece of evidence. Larry Carr didn't mention it. Tom Kaye never saw it. Why?

Perhaps there is a second placard and it was not actually from 305, the analysis from NWO notwithstanding? Perhaps the FBI report is flawed inasmuch as it is actually the Hicks' placard that is referenced? Or, perhaps this is a legitimate find that throws an entirely new set of facts into the mix that simply do not add up?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4958 on: November 03, 2019, 12:20:45 PM »
It's location needs to be verified prior to any conclusions. the conclusion of the Hicks placard are documented prior to this event.

Hopefully, someone in the sheriff's office will remember the event. The sheriff is located right on the Columbia river. perhaps a visit when you guys are having the conference?
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« Reply #4959 on: November 03, 2019, 01:00:33 PM »
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It's location needs to be verified prior to any conclusions. the conclusion of the Hicks placard are documented prior to this event.

Hopefully, someone in the sheriff's office will remember the event. The sheriff is located right on the Columbia river. perhaps a visit when you guys are having the conference?

All prior claims of the placard being ripped off by Cooper are now null and void. The placard, which turns out to be a decal of some kind vs a plastic sheet, was on the outside of the plane! Perhaps knocked off by action of the stairs? And Tom Kaye was not shown or even told about a second placard? Carr missed that too? Placard may be generic used by many Boeing planes? Placards found right under the flight path V23? Placards fell like leaves because they are decals not plastic stock and so many flying V23 on planes, the ground is littered with them all! Money straples of plactles of bundtles fall like bricks, all wrapped in paper straps and bailing wire. Kaye was shown no packtles! Kaye was shown no fractals! Do decals come in decaltles all cozyily wrapped in papere straps which Kaye was not shown?

Its endless permutations, all wrapped in paper straps.  :P   

Whose placards these are
I think I know.
His house
is in the village though.
He will not see me stopping here
to watch his placards fall like snow.
Between the woods and frozen lake.
The darkest evening of the year.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4960 on: November 03, 2019, 01:09:19 PM »
There is no outside function that would call for this placard to be on the outside of the aircraft. no pull handle to activate the emergency function from outside. a pump is used. they state it's outside by the door. that could mean the bulkhead door leading to the stairs. that's where the emergency pull handle is located....
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4961 on: November 03, 2019, 01:16:02 PM »
The stairs operate on hydraulic B. if the system is not functioning then you can hand pump the pressure to raise or lower the stairs. no pull handles are on the outside of the 727...different placards are on the door underneath the plane.

The emergency handle is behind a small panel next to the normal stair release. you pull the panel off and you will see the handle to pull to activate the emergency function...writing is on the small panel.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4962 on: November 03, 2019, 01:23:10 PM »
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The stairs operate on hydraulic B. if the system is not functioning then you can hand pump the pressure to raise or lower the stairs. no pull handles are on the outside of the 727...different placards are on the door underneath the plane.

The emergency handle is behind a small panel next to the normal stair release. you pull the panel off and you will see the handle to pull to activate the emergency function...writing is on the small panel.

And the only reason for excitement and claims about this socalled 'placard' is trying to use the placard to justify a west path. We all understand that. It's like watching and listening to Houdini and his cast doing the water trick with drama and Ballyhoo. Its three-penny-opera for the masses.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4963 on: November 03, 2019, 02:39:57 PM »
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The stairs operate on hydraulic B. if the system is not functioning then you can hand pump the pressure to raise or lower the stairs. no pull handles are on the outside of the 727...different placards are on the door underneath the plane.

The emergency handle is behind a small panel next to the normal stair release. you pull the panel off and you will see the handle to pull to activate the emergency function...writing is on the small panel.

I think the stairs can be raised or lowered from outside the aircraft.  I think there is a panel on the underside of the fuselage and adjacent to the stairs that can be opened to reveal the switch, or whatever it is, to operate the stairs.

I have no idea if there is an external decal connected with that.  Didn't EU's earlier posts mention NWA personnel in Minneapolis making drawings to illustrate where the decal would be located?
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« Reply #4964 on: November 03, 2019, 02:44:35 PM »
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The stairs operate on hydraulic B. if the system is not functioning then you can hand pump the pressure to raise or lower the stairs. no pull handles are on the outside of the 727...different placards are on the door underneath the plane.

The emergency handle is behind a small panel next to the normal stair release. you pull the panel off and you will see the handle to pull to activate the emergency function...writing is on the small panel.

And the only reason for excitement and claims about this socalled 'placard' is trying to use the placard to justify a west path. We all understand that. It's like watching and listening to Houdini and his cast doing the water trick with drama and Ballyhoo. Its three-penny-opera for the masses.

Georger, you need to get a good night's sleep.  The world will probably look different tomorrow.  But try as you might, you will never be able to prove that the Unabomber was Cooper.  You need to start facing the facts in this matter.
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