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Offline georger

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4875 on: August 18, 2019, 12:53:09 AM »
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At about 11:30Pm there was a burglary of a grocery store located roughly 10 miles South of the Merwin dam. Survival rations were taken including beef jerky, cigarettes, gloves, etc. The person who broke in was wearing military type boots with a corrugated sole."
 
Average walking speed is 3.1 mph, if it was Cooper he could have walked 9-10 miles in the three hours between landing and the store break in. In other words, it matches the LZ south of Merwin.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4876 on: August 18, 2019, 01:12:56 AM »
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At about 11:30Pm there was a burglary of a grocery store located roughly 10 miles South of the Merwin dam. Survival rations were taken including beef jerky, cigarettes, gloves, etc. The person who broke in was wearing military type boots with a corrugated sole."
 
Average walking speed is 3.1 mph, if it was Cooper he could have walked 9-10 miles in the three hours between landing and the store break in. In other words, it matches the LZ south of Merwin.

Where would Cooper have gotten his "military type boots with a corrugated sole" in this time frame?  This sounds like an outdoors type, or a survivalist, breaking in to get more such supplies.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4877 on: August 27, 2019, 01:39:42 PM »
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I found this news article about a talk Scott gave in 1997 to a local Aero club where he lived.
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Scott talks about a makeshift waist pack, with money being transferred to it from the original bag. He wouldn't have seen this. So he's interpreting from something. Tina? This would be interesting if there's any truth to it, as it might mean the money arrived on the ground in something other than the bank bag?

He also mentions that turbulence triggered his exchange with Cooper at 2005? So that's interesting.

Note Scott seemed to like the Lake Merwin LZ idea. Maybe they listened to Scott more than Rataczak?

One who was there tells intriguing tales of DB Cooper
Arizona Daily Star - NewsBank - Jan 21, 1997

After a quarter of a century, D.B. Cooper still packs the house.
Well, to be precise, it was actually pilot William Scott's recent talk at the Aero Club of Arizona - an organization for aviation enthusiasts - that pulled in a standing-room-only crowd.

The Aero Club, which has about 100 members in the Tucson and Green Valley area, presents speakers on everything from the Civil Air Patrol to aerobatic flying.
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When they reached Seattle, they flew in a holding pattern until Cooper's demands were met. Scott didn't tell the plane's 36 passengers what was happening.

``But I think they got the message when the stewardess came down the aisle with a parachute over her shoulder,'' he added, cracking up the audience.

When the plane landed in Seattle, Cooper released the passengers and two of the stewardesses, collected the loot and the three extra parachutes and told Scott to fly to Mexico. They were to stop in Reno, Nev., to refuel.

``I was happy he negotiated over the phone through Tina (Mucklow, the stewardess),'' Scott said.

Once Cooper got his sack of money, he ordered Scott to fly as low and slowly as possible and drop the back steps.

After cutting up a parachute, he emptied the sack of loot and began stuffing $20 bills into his makeshift waist pack.

When Mucklow expressed astonishment at the huge pile of money, Cooper reached over and handed her a stack of bills.

``We can't take tips,'' she said.

Instructing Mucklow to go forward, he told her to pull the curtain between the first class and coach sections. He said that she was to turn the lights down, and she wasn't to look back.

She joined Scott and the co-pilot in the cockpit. Later, the plane ran into turbulence.

Scott wondered if Cooper was still aboard. Turning on the public address system, he inquired, ``Is everything all right, sir?''

``Yeah, everything is fine,'' Cooper replied.

After a while, Scott noticed that the cabin gauges were fluctuating wildly.

``I thought maybe I'd call him, but I thought maybe I'd just not bother him,'' he said.

In Reno, Scott managed to land the plane with the steps down without damaging aircraft.

Before leaving the plane, he and the crew searched for Cooper's briefcase but were unable to find it.

Cooper had jumped in a business suit and street shoes from the plane, which was traveling about 190 miles an hour at 10,000 feet.

At that altitude the temperature was 7 below zero. Cooper - with 20 pounds of money strapped to his waist - had dropped into some of the most rugged country in the Pacific Northwest.

``There was a big reservoir down there with trees in it,'' Scott said. ``I just thought he went down there and got wrapped up in the trees.''


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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4878 on: August 27, 2019, 01:52:32 PM »
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"At 8:12 p.m., "we felt a little bump and the air pressure changed," Rataczak said.
"I got on the radio to air traffic control and said, 'I think our friend just took leave of us. Mark the point on your radar.' " And that was the last fix on D.B. Cooper. "

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4879 on: August 27, 2019, 03:52:28 PM »
Seattle Times:
Thursday, March 15, 2001 - Page updated at 12:00 AM
'D.B. Cooper' pilot dies; William Scott never talked much about 1971 skyjacking
By Susan Gilmore

For 30 years, William "Scotty" Scott said little about the world's most famous skyjacking, shunning assorted authors and movie producers who came knocking at his door.

Mr. Scott piloted the Northwest Orient Airlines jet hijacked by the infamous "D.B. Cooper" on Thanksgiving Eve 1971. He died of prostate cancer Sunday at his home in Green Valley, Ariz., taking to the grave much of what he knew about that fateful night, said his wife, Frances.
"When he came home that night," she said, "he told his family about it, and that was the end of it. He was a very quiet man. Very reserved."

Only in recent years had he begun to talk about the skyjacking that perplexed the FBI and continues to rivet those who think Cooper may have survived the jump of 10,000 feet into the blackness of a storm over Southwest Washington.

Her husband was convinced Cooper died in the leap, said Frances Scott. "He felt he jumped into Lake Merwin (Cowlitz County) and got tangled up in dead trees and died," she said.

On the 25th anniversary of the heist, Mr. Scott spoke to a local pilots club; 200 people showed up, said his wife.
Mr. Scott was the captain of the Boeing 727 when a passenger under the name of Dan Cooper boarded in Portland for the short flight to Seattle. Midway, he passed a note to a flight attendant, saying he had a bomb and demanding $200,000.

When the plane landed in Seattle, the other passengers were evacuated, and the FBI gave the skyjacker the ransom money and the four parachutes he had requested.

Cooper then ordered the pilot to fly toward Mexico, but he jumped from the plane somewhere near the Columbia River. Despite years of searching, all that has been found is $5,800 unearthed along the north bank of the Columbia.
Mr. Scott never saw Cooper. "He was intent on flying the plane and being able to get people out of there alive and save the aircraft for Northwest," said his widow.

Little by little, she said, her husband had begun to talk about it the past few years. "It was good for him," she said. "In later years, he'd get mad at authors. Scotty would say, 'No, that's not the way it happened.' They weren't there; he was."

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4880 on: August 28, 2019, 11:40:10 PM »
Kermit and I have been shooting the breeze off to the side - Kermit has lived most of his life in Portland. For one thing he has solid weather observations .................. I hope he posts them!   ;) ;)
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4881 on: August 29, 2019, 04:18:51 PM »
I trust his tastes in Mexican food are just as sublime...
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4882 on: August 29, 2019, 09:21:37 PM »
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Kermit and I have been shooting the breeze off to the side - Kermit has lived most of his life in Portland. For one thing he has solid weather observations .................. I hope he posts them!   ;) ;)

Probably will post weather opinion after my vacation is over.
Bruce I’m hoping I can join you at La Casa Tapatio !
 
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« Reply #4883 on: September 03, 2019, 03:21:15 PM »
Cool.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4884 on: September 07, 2019, 08:07:21 PM »
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In addition to other problems previously noted with Rackstraw, the FBI documents show the FBI obtained fingerprints and palm prints from Rackstraw, and examination failed to match them to those taken from N467US.

Looking at a 302 surrounding prints it appears they have a palm print taken from the seat area. probably the armrest. it was Campbell stating the prints might not be of any value. they started with 11 on the 24th and only have 8 prints on 12/31/76
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4885 on: September 07, 2019, 08:07:44 PM »
The last 302 wouldn't allow me to post...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4886 on: September 16, 2019, 06:25:50 PM »
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NEW via Flyjack at DZ:

At about 11:30Pm there was a burglary of a grocery store located roughly 10 miles South of the Merwin dam. Survival rations were taken including beef jerky, cigarettes, gloves, etc. The person who broke in was wearing military type boots with a corrugated sole."
 
Average walking speed is 3.1 mph, if it was Cooper he could have walked 9-10 miles in the three hours between landing and the store break in. In other words, it matches the LZ south of Merwin.

Where would Cooper have gotten his "military type boots with a corrugated sole" in this time frame?  This sounds like an outdoors type, or a survivalist, breaking in to get more such supplies.
Well, he did that white bag with him, remember. Witness House - who did not seem given to making things up as she stated she would not be able to identify Cooper himself - did notice the bag and gave a very detailed account of its dimensions, which are similar to that of a boot box. Tina mentioned a small green bag, but I think it was a different bag, tbh, as Mitchell called the white bag a sack and his description is similar to House's, though less detailed. But I don't think Cooper, who was known to locals before he even jumped via reports already broadcasting, would have risked going into a store and giving his general location away. I agree, logic dictates this was more likely a survivalist or travelling vagrant.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4887 on: September 18, 2019, 05:58:56 PM »
The document included with this post might clear up any intentions Cooper signed the ticket. his name was asked and he stated in a James Bond response. "Cooper, Dan Cooper" why ask his name if he wrote it on the ticket. they asked for his name so they could put it on the ticket...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4888 on: September 20, 2019, 06:22:56 PM »
I saw this article and it was saying that there was a break through with DNA testing. They can now get DNA from hair without having the root. I thought I remember reading on hair that the FBI has Cooper's hair. If they still do we could figure out who was once and for all. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... e=Homepage the link is broken I am not sure why. I had about the DNA testing advancement on another forum.
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« Reply #4889 on: September 20, 2019, 08:52:00 PM »
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I saw this article and it was saying that there was a break through with DNA testing. They can now get DNA from hair without having the root. I thought I remember reading on hair that the FBI has Cooper's hair. If they still do we could figure out who was once and for all. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... e=Homepage the link is broken I am not sure why. I had about the DNA testing advancement on another forum.

Since they have a lab that deals with this issue. I'm sure they knew about it before we did. getting them to utilize the tool is another thing all together.
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