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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4860 on: August 03, 2019, 01:21:23 AM »
I don't have a lot of bad to say about him. he does appear to post from the mind before it's been fully vetted. good prints were found that they appear to be good enough to test against what is presented to them. using the tie to wipe prints? doubtful. he had a long sleeve jacket, access to the bathroom for things to wipe prints with. if he did try to cover he did a horrible job. takes years to learn blood splatter let alone looking at dots on a tie under a light. his main problem is any disagreement is "nonsense"

He's a very good researcher. that is a fact...
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4861 on: August 03, 2019, 01:35:28 AM »
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I don't have a lot of bad to say about him. he does appear to post from the mind before it's been fully vetted. good prints were found that they appear to be good enough to test against what is presented to them. using the tie to wipe prints? doubtful. he had a long sleeve jacket, access to the bathroom for things to wipe prints with. if he did try to cover he did a horrible job. takes years to learn blood splatter let alone looking at dots on a tie under a light. his main problem is any disagreement is "nonsense"

He's a very good researcher. that is a fact...

Other material was available on the plane to use as a wipe - parachute cloth for one. Here's a fairly hi res section of the tie... the wove is even visible. Are these the streaks he's talking about? He didn;t present any images...
« Last Edit: August 03, 2019, 01:36:38 AM by georger »
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4862 on: August 03, 2019, 02:13:39 AM »
Perhaps Cooper used Bounty. the quicker printer cover upper  :rofl:
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4863 on: August 03, 2019, 02:37:28 PM »
Fly is engaged in a hoax over at DZ. Fly is trying to say there is Jesus in the Toast by posting a doctored image of the tie! He doctored his image he is trying to pass off as a Tom Kaye photo!

His image is a false color image he doctored with some lo-life photo editor. Its not Kaye's original image, its not even a UV image as he claims, its a false color image Fly himself produced to pass off on the Cooperland unwashed!

Shame on Flyjack for this FRAUD!   Its a classic case of the real Flyjack at work! Here is his stupid image.

The actual tie (and Kaye's UV photos) do not look like this in the real world. Go to Kaye's site if you want to see the real tie photos! Forget Fyjack's machinations and his bogus claims! 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4864 on: August 03, 2019, 02:58:45 PM »
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I don't have a lot of bad to say about him. he does appear to post from the mind before it's been fully vetted. good prints were found that they appear to be good enough to test against what is presented to them. using the tie to wipe prints? doubtful. he had a long sleeve jacket, access to the bathroom for things to wipe prints with. if he did try to cover he did a horrible job. takes years to learn blood splatter let alone looking at dots on a tie under a light. his main problem is any disagreement is "nonsense"

He's a very good researcher. that is a fact...
Very good researcher, but doesn't always connect the dots logically, and that's a danger in this case for many, especially those with specific suspects or even general theories they're promoting. At some point they start trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Dayton or Rackstraw or McCoy wore lifts and ageing makeup; KC's secret wasn't that he was gay, but that he was Cooper. If you see the Hahnemann and Cooper skyjackings side-by-side in detail, it's pretty easy to see you're talking about two different characters and m.o.s (Hahnemann just sounds like a dumb thug who couldn't even copycat the perfect crime without alerting and threatening everyone on the plane and doing wrong all the things Cooper did right), but FJ has gotten overly wrapped up in this "Latin" thing. (Hmmm, no possibility that a tanned or dark-complexioned, dark-haired man who hijacked a plane during an era when that usually meant you were going to Cuba, was identified as "Latin" partly due to stereotype? He had no accent. How would you know a "Latin" from some Asians, some white people, some Mediterranean or Middle Eastern people?)  I've always liked SP for Cooper, but I'm also happy to disprove him - which looking into Bill Whitney didn't do - but am not going to argue that it was SP that Linn named to the feds when there's a document indicating otherwise, and none supporting. If Cooper is dead, it would be thoughtful of him to wash up; if he lived, it would be nice for him to leave/have left a 20 behind. But alas....

Is there ANYthing else that can be done with the evidence that exists that could help in any way? The tie thing was exciting, and likely significant. Tie as wipe-down cloth, though? Why when there were seat towels, toilet paper, paper towels, his sleeve...? Also not seeing anything to indicate this in the photos georger has provided of the tie.

(BTW, I don't know where Galen went, but think he has done well not to go public with a full theory unless he feels he can prove it entirely. But I would love to see what he does have.)
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4865 on: August 03, 2019, 03:07:59 PM »
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I don't have a lot of bad to say about him. he does appear to post from the mind before it's been fully vetted. good prints were found that they appear to be good enough to test against what is presented to them. using the tie to wipe prints? doubtful. he had a long sleeve jacket, access to the bathroom for things to wipe prints with. if he did try to cover he did a horrible job. takes years to learn blood splatter let alone looking at dots on a tie under a light. his main problem is any disagreement is "nonsense"

He's a very good researcher. that is a fact...
Very good researcher, but doesn't always connect the dots logically, and that's a danger in this case for many, especially those with specific suspects or even general theories they're promoting. At some point they start trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Dayton or Rackstraw or McCoy wore lifts and ageing makeup; KC's secret wasn't that he was gay, but that he was Cooper. If you see the Hahnemann and Cooper skyjackings side-by-side in detail, it's pretty easy to see you're talking about two different characters and m.o.s (Hahnemann just sounds like a dumb thug who couldn't even copycat the perfect crime without alerting and threatening everyone on the plane and doing wrong all the things Cooper did right), but FJ has gotten overly wrapped up in this "Latin" thing. (Hmmm, no possibility that a tanned or dark-complexioned, dark-haired man who hijacked a plane during an era when that usually meant you were going to Cuba, was identified as "Latin" partly due to stereotype? He had no accent. How would you know a "Latin" from some Asians, some white people, some Mediterranean or Middle Eastern people?)  I've always liked SP for Cooper, but I'm also happy to disprove him - which looking into Bill Whitney didn't do - but am not going to argue that it was SP that Linn named to the feds when there's a document indicating otherwise, and none supporting. If Cooper is dead, it would be thoughtful of him to wash up; if he lived, it would be nice for him to leave/have left a 20 behind. But alas....

Is there ANYthing else that can be done with the evidence that exists that could help in any way? The tie thing was exciting, and likely significant. Tie as wipe-down cloth, though? Why when there were seat towels, toilet paper, paper towels, his sleeve...? Also not seeing anything to indicate this in the photos georger has provided of the tie.

(BTW, I don't know where Galen went, but think he has done well not to go public with a full theory unless he feels he can prove it entirely. But I would love to see what he does have.)

What FLYJACK is engaged in it outright fraud. Or he has lost his marbles!

The least he can do is post Tom's real photos instead of trying to doctor Tom's photos to show some images which don't even exist in the real Cooper world! FLYJACK has taken us back straight into amateur hour at the Gong Show! 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4866 on: August 03, 2019, 03:16:52 PM »
I don't believe he is engaged in any fraud. he over reacts to things before fully investigating them. once he finds something he feels that fill in the gaps there is no arguing about it. some of things he has brought forth do make sense while most of the others do not. he's another that feels nobody is critically thinking. the tie smears/marks are a perfect example. personally, I wouldn't attempt such a conclusion without checking with someone in that field. I've thought of many things that never make it to any Cooper boards.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4867 on: August 03, 2019, 03:25:20 PM »
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I don't believe he is engaged in any fraud. he over reacts to things before fully investigating them. once he finds something he feels that fill in the gaps there is no arguing about it. some of things he has brought forth do make sense while most of the others do not. he's another that feels nobody is critically thinking. the tie smears/marks are a perfect example. personally, I wouldn't attempt such a conclusion without checking with someone in that field. I've thought of many things that never make it to any Cooper boards.

You don't alter EVIDENCE.

Flyjack has altered Kaye's UV photo.

The tie FJ is showing does not even exist!

*Tom's original photo is 13.9mb ! Cant be posted to any forum. Here is a smaller undoctered version of the original photo. 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4868 on: August 03, 2019, 03:38:31 PM »
If he did this he needs to explain. perhaps you should try addressing the issue on the DZ or TMN where you both can settle the matter vs a proxy conversation.
 

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« Reply #4869 on: August 04, 2019, 12:06:31 AM »
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If he did this he needs to explain. perhaps you should try addressing the issue on the DZ or TMN where you both can settle the matter vs a proxy conversation.

Im not going to DZ. I am here and only here.

No sign of bunching, folding, wadding, or any other deformation of the tie if it was grabbed as used as a wipe.

I guess Tom has simplified his site and taken down all UV images of the tie? So no url to direct people to see his previous images. I wonder why he did that? 

I have all of Tom's prior hi res images and I dont see any of the streaking FJ claims. No streaking, swirling, movement of particles, bunching up of particles, etc ... which 'might' occur had the tie been used as a rag to wipe out prints, or for any other similar purpose. In fact what I see are lines of a few particles and other particle formations for formations of other substances that look like 'splatter'. I dont see any particles ground into the cloth as when pressure is applied. I dont see anything FJ claims to see.

I am not going to put forth a special effort to disprove him. If Cooper tried to destroy or wipe out finger prints he had access to far better materials in the plane. The sleeve of his coat for one . . .   
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4870 on: August 04, 2019, 03:45:55 PM »
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If he did this he needs to explain. perhaps you should try addressing the issue on the DZ or TMN where you both can settle the matter vs a proxy conversation.

Im not going to DZ. I am here and only here.

No sign of bunching, folding, wadding, or any other deformation of the tie if it was grabbed as used as a wipe.

I guess Tom has simplified his site and taken down all UV images of the tie? So no url to direct people to see his previous images. I wonder why he did that? 

I have all of Tom's prior hi res images and I dont see any of the streaking FJ claims. No streaking, swirling, movement of particles, bunching up of particles, etc ... which 'might' occur had the tie been used as a rag to wipe out prints, or for any other similar purpose. In fact what I see are lines of a few particles and other particle formations for formations of other substances that look like 'splatter'. I dont see any particles ground into the cloth as when pressure is applied. I dont see anything FJ claims to see.

I am not going to put forth a special effort to disprove him. If Cooper tried to destroy or wipe out finger prints he had access to far better materials in the plane. The sleeve of his coat for one . . .
If he used the tie to wipe down that much area, the tie would, as you mention, certainly show some evidence of that, such as wrinkling, and the smears would be absolutely everywhere. Plus, it was a thin tie - certainly not anyone's first choice for a rushed wipe-down.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4871 on: August 16, 2019, 07:34:16 PM »
Not sure who is stating this but if true Cooper didn't know much at all...I'm going through the files looking for everything surrounding the flight path to put into one file. seen this and noted...
 
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« Reply #4872 on: August 16, 2019, 11:30:58 PM »
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Not sure who is stating this but if true Cooper didn't know much at all...I'm going through the files looking for everything surrounding the flight path to put into one file. seen this and noted...

thats interesting! filer hadn't read the flight comms or the crew interviews?   dated 11-27-71 so what's his source?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4873 on: August 17, 2019, 01:09:06 PM »
none of it makes sense. it adds up perfect with the case though  :rofl:
 
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« Reply #4874 on: August 17, 2019, 02:28:58 PM »
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none of it makes sense. it adds up perfect with the case though  :rofl:

Its a lesson in how people worked and contributed to their corner of the case - each guy was an expert in their own corner! Like a news organisation where 50 reporters are filing their stories with the Mother Ship. Every reporter has the facts someone has given him ... Editor must decide who is right! Except in the case of the FBI "it all gets published"! .......   then what!? The system defeats itself.   Humans and information (overload).