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50% Cooper lived
14 (22.2%)
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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4740 on: March 12, 2019, 12:34:40 AM »
Sure, he has a point. but he missed my comments about this a year ago along with Bruce. 377 chimed in on it but I can't find the comments in the useless search engine on this forum. looking for an upgrade for it...
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4741 on: March 12, 2019, 12:37:09 AM »
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Sure, he has a point. but he missed my comments about this a year ago along with Bruce. 377 chimed in on it but I can't find the comments in the useless search engine on this forum. looking for an upgrade for it...

I know. I wasnt going to say anything about it. DZ had a great search engine, but they changed everything there. Some days you cant win.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4742 on: March 12, 2019, 12:41:03 AM »
I think the thread is gone..I deleted my bookmark.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4743 on: March 12, 2019, 12:41:44 AM »
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I think the thread is gone..I deleted my bookmark.


what is gone?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4744 on: March 12, 2019, 12:42:14 AM »
DZ Cooper thread?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4745 on: March 12, 2019, 12:43:00 AM »
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DZ Cooper thread?

what !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! will check ....
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4746 on: March 12, 2019, 12:44:34 AM »
I couldn't find anything...perhaps look up ckret and see if he last comments on there through his profile, or anyone's..
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4747 on: March 12, 2019, 12:48:07 AM »
I looked up ckret and went to his profile and 15 comments showed up. it appears the thread is scattered...
 

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« Reply #4748 on: March 12, 2019, 12:50:49 AM »
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I looked up ckret and went to his profile and 15 comments showed up. it appears the thread is scattered...

very scattered .... but the old thread seems to be gone. The owners always made it clear it was a pain in the ...

Blevins claimed once he had copied the whole thread?  :rofl:  I dont know maybe he did ?  :chr2:

The old Websleuths Cooper forum is still there I think! Nothing in it but still alive...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4749 on: March 12, 2019, 12:53:40 AM »
I should of copied it..no copyrights after they delete it (I believe)

 

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« Reply #4750 on: March 12, 2019, 12:56:31 AM »
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I should of copied it..no copyrights after they delete it (I believe)

I wish somebody had! I think it was self sabotage for them to take it down - but maybe they have a copy? That would not surprise me.

goodnight.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4751 on: March 12, 2019, 01:00:49 AM »
Should be a backup file. mine is often and don't know how far back I can go. but time is short to get the information. perhaps contacting them for an answer is needed?

377 would probably be the one to ask them...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4752 on: March 12, 2019, 12:30:52 PM »
Shutter wrote:  "The signal tone was coming from Evergreen field north of Government island miles away from Tbar. it was on frequency 243.0 which is a emergency broadcast freq. it moved to Reynolds Aluminum plant west of Vancouver before fading out. this was on 12/26/71 at 3:30

...tracking device in the chutes go off when deployed. I don't think they start until deployed."


243.0 MHz is the military aviation emergency frequency. The civilian equivalent is 121.5 MHz. Civil 121.5 beacons have a harmonic that can be heard on 243.0. The converse is not true. Military rescue aircraft that hear a 243.0 signal briefly switch to 121.5 to see if they are hearing a harmonic of a civilian beacon. MANY civil emergency beacons are accidentally triggered. 8786 false alerts in 2018. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Very few military ones are accidentally triggered.

The typical 243.0 "pinger" beacons were rigged to turn on either upon ejection or canopy deployment depending on the type of aircraft and equipment. Some B 52 aircrew over Vietnam disabled the auto-activation feature because the enemy had gear that could hear signals on 243.0 and used it to capture airmen.

My opinion is that the beacons put in McCoy's rigs were turned on when installed. It would have been too difficult (and also visually obvious externally) to rig them for automatic turn on. Battery life is typically 20 hours or more continuously transmitting.

Modern civil emergency beacons send a coded signal on 406.0 MHz identifying the beacon and sending GPS position. These modern 406 beacons also have a low power transmitter on 121.5 which allows ADFs to point towards the transmitter. The 121.5 harmonic can also be heard on 243.0.

Only military aircraft have ADFs that can receive and DF on 243.0. Civil aircraft VERY rarely have VHF ADFs that can receive and DF on 121.5. typical coverage for civil aircraft ADFs tops out at 1750 KHz, miles below the VHF freq of 121.5 MHz.

Happy to answer chute and beacon Qs.

377
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4753 on: March 12, 2019, 12:55:20 PM »
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Shutter wrote:  "The signal tone was coming from Evergreen field north of Government island miles away from Tbar. it was on frequency 243.0 which is a emergency broadcast freq. it moved to Reynolds Aluminum plant west of Vancouver before fading out. this was on 12/26/71 at 3:30

...tracking device in the chutes go off when deployed. I don't think they start until deployed."


243.0 MHz is the military aviation emergency frequency. The civilian equivalent is 121.5 MHz. Civil 121.5 beacons have a harmonic that can be heard on 243.0. The converse is not true. Military rescue aircraft that hear a 243.0 signal briefly switch to 121.5 to see if they are hearing a harmonic of a civilian beacon. MANY civil emergency beacons are accidentally triggered. 8786 false alerts in 2018. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Very few military ones are accidentally triggered.

The typical 243.0 "pinger" beacons were rigged to turn on either upon ejection or canopy deployment depending on the type of aircraft and equipment. Some B 52 aircrew over Vietnam disabled the auto-activation feature because the enemy had gear that could hear signals on 243.0 and used it to capture airmen.

My opinion is that the beacons put in McCoy's rigs were turned on when installed. It would have been too difficult (and also visually obvious externally) to rig them for automatic turn on. Battery life is typically 20 hours or more continuously transmitting.

Modern civil emergency beacons send a coded signal on 406.0 MHz identifying the beacon and sending GPS position. These modern 406 beacons also have a low power transmitter on 121.5 which allows ADFs to point towards the transmitter. The 121.5 harmonic can also be heard on 243.0.

Only military aircraft have ADFs that can receive and DF on 243.0. Civil aircraft VERY rarely have VHF ADFs that can receive and DF on 121.5. typical coverage for civil aircraft ADFs tops out at 1750 KHz, miles below the VHF freq of 121.5 MHz.

Happy to answer chute and beacon Qs.

377

Were Hayden's chutes fitted with emergency pinger ?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4754 on: March 12, 2019, 12:57:34 PM »
If they were continuous how did they know the chute went out the back...