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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4695 on: March 05, 2019, 12:51:26 AM »
The yytrium came from tungsten electrodes not cancer treatment...
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4696 on: March 05, 2019, 04:19:04 PM »
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The yytrium came from tungsten electrodes not cancer treatment...

How does one come to this conclusion. do you have proof of other elements along with welding. it all matches?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4697 on: March 05, 2019, 05:27:19 PM »
The most common use of yttrium is its compounds being used to make the red color phosphors in cathode ray tube displays, such as those used for televisions. Other uses of yttrium include usage as iron garnets which are very effective microwave filters, as a catalyst for ethylene polymerization and used on the electrodes of some high-performance spark plugs.Tungsten yttrium electrodes belong to its composite category.

Tungsten yttrium electrodes are electrodes made of tungsten and yttrium. Similar to thoriated tungsten electrodes and ceriated tungsten electrodes, yttriated tungsten electrodes can be differentiated by their tip color. Tip color of tungsten yttrium electrodes is blue. Another point is that the yttrium content, in tungsten yttrium electrodes, content of yttrium ranges from 1.8% to 2.2%.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4698 on: March 05, 2019, 10:55:39 PM »
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The yytrium came from tungsten electrodes not cancer treatment...

How does one come to this conclusion. do you have proof of other elements along with welding. it all matches?

It all matches sir... all will be revealed in the upcoming episode of The Cooper Vortex, stay tuned!
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4699 on: March 05, 2019, 11:10:16 PM »
I beg to differ...
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4700 on: March 05, 2019, 11:28:17 PM »
traces of aluminum found?
gases from welding?
slag?
boron?

welding fumes contain a variety of metals, including aluminum, arsenic, beryllium, lead and manganese. Argon, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide and hydrogen fluoride gases often are produced during welding.

I have a shop full of these elements...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4701 on: March 05, 2019, 11:50:49 PM »
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The yytrium came from tungsten electrodes not cancer treatment...

How does one come to this conclusion. do you have proof of other elements along with welding. it all matches?

It all matches sir... all will be revealed in the upcoming episode of The Cooper Vortex, stay tuned!

What and where is the Cooper Vortex? Stay tuned how ?  Where?   Why?   :-\
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4702 on: March 06, 2019, 04:56:33 AM »
The "Cooper Vortex" is a podcast hosted by Darren Schaeffer. Links to the podcast are scattered among these pages, G.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4703 on: March 06, 2019, 01:56:11 PM »
Is it possible that a dredge could have deposited the stacked bundles with intact bands (as found by Brian Ingram)? I think not, but Bruce reminded me that "strange things do happen sometimes." He wasn't talking about supernatural miracles, just rare events where unexpected orderly results emerge from chaotic events.

I have a lot of experience with all kinds of pumps from my time in commercial fishing, but zero dredge experience. So called "trash pumps" can move large debris through the centrifugal impeller stage without clogging or chopping up the objects.

I have seen dredge effluent being deposited on shore and occasionally have seen large rocks and pieces of waterlogged wood come out unscathed.

Just wondering.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4704 on: March 06, 2019, 05:49:43 PM »
We have Tungsten, Cerium, Zinc, yytrium, antimony, cadmium, vanadium, iron cobalt, iron, chromium, copper, aluminum, nickel, tin, lead and molybdenum. All these elements would be found in tig welding fumes and back in those days thoriated tungsten wasn’t used, I took my findings to a tig welders Facebook page and they confirmed this also there wasn’t much tungsten found on the tie so you would think there would be more if they came from tungsten electrodes but what I also learned that because the tungsten itself does not smelt during the weld process there wouldn’t be much measurable tungsten particles in the fumes only from grinding the tips of the electrodes and that was done by the welder not the manager/engineer overseeing it. Fumes is the only way a manger or engineer would pick up particles from the weld on there tie.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4705 on: March 06, 2019, 06:30:09 PM »
what is the percentage of these elements found on the tie. tig welding is a very clean weld compared to stick or mig welding. I don't really buy into the second hand transfer either. in fact, I really don't see a shop environment on the tie.

show me the elements and percentages found on the tie?

nobody is even sure Cooper was even at Boeing to begin with. you can't base facts without the origin known....
 

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« Reply #4706 on: March 06, 2019, 09:22:22 PM »
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Is it possible that a dredge could have deposited the stacked bundles with intact bands (as found by Brian Ingram)? I think not, but Bruce reminded me that "strange things do happen sometimes." He wasn't talking about supernatural miracles, just rare events where unexpected orderly results emerge from chaotic events.

I have a lot of experience with all kinds of pumps from my time in commercial fishing, but zero dredge experience. So called "trash pumps" can move large debris through the centrifugal impeller stage without clogging or chopping up the objects.

I have seen dredge effluent being deposited on shore and occasionally have seen large rocks and pieces of waterlogged wood come out unscathed.

Just wondering.

This has a good discussion of Army Corp of Engineers and other dredges and techniques. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
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I believe the dredge is plausible. many think the pump has propellers or blades. it's a impeller. they have changed over the years but they are not meant to chop or cut things up. the impeller pumps the water. some operators can identify things by sound. all sorts of things get sucked up. all depends on how many guards they have to stop objects from going through. reports of chains, tanks, rocks etc. get through. it comes down to how much the impeller would damage the bag and money while passing through. a test needs to be done to put it to rest.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4707 on: March 06, 2019, 10:21:03 PM »
Can you explain how "fumes" transfer particles?

What Facebook page did a welder determine how much Tungsten was on the tie?



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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4708 on: March 07, 2019, 10:39:16 AM »
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Is it possible that a dredge could have deposited the stacked bundles with intact bands (as found by Brian Ingram)? I think not, but Bruce reminded me that "strange things do happen sometimes." He wasn't talking about supernatural miracles, just rare events where unexpected orderly results emerge from chaotic events.

I have a lot of experience with all kinds of pumps from my time in commercial fishing, but zero dredge experience. So called "trash pumps" can move large debris through the centrifugal impeller stage without clogging or chopping up the objects.

I have seen dredge effluent being deposited on shore and occasionally have seen large rocks and pieces of waterlogged wood come out unscathed.

Just wondering.

This has a good discussion of Army Corp of Engineers and other dredges and techniques. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Scan all the way through. Many informative photos and illustrations scattered throughout.

377

I believe the dredge is plausible. many think the pump has propellers or blades. it's a impeller. they have changed over the years but they are not meant to chop or cut things up. the impeller pumps the water. some operators can identify things by sound. all sorts of things get sucked up. all depends on how many guards they have to stop objects from going through. reports of chains, tanks, rocks etc. get through. it comes down to how much the impeller would damage the bag and money while passing through. a test needs to be done to put it to rest.

The dredge theory is virtually impossible. In order for the dredge theory to be correct the following series of remarkable events have to occur:

1) Three separate packets have to be dredged from the river bottom, then spread via bulldozer, then migrate another 300 feet minimum, then quickly self-bury all the while...

2) Three individual rubber bands (not simply one but all three) through some remarkable anomaly, remain intact and elastic after each being exposed to the elements (underwater and otherwise) for nearly three years (until 1974 dredge)...

3) These three wonder packets remain with each other through the entire process (dredge, spread and self-bury).

The fact that this is even discussed as an option at this point is the epitome of grasping for straws.

Let's face it, the facts speak for themselves. The only way for these three packets to end up where they ended up was through human intervention..unless we want to embrace a mathematical likelihood bordering on trillions-to-one.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4709 on: March 07, 2019, 11:54:10 AM »
All,
Great news, McCrone has agreed to analyze the tie particles for radioactivity. They have a gamma spectrometer but it is usually used for much bigger samples. They will try no matter what. Place your bets now!!

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