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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4680 on: February 15, 2019, 04:11:16 PM »
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According to one source who posted and claims to know: 

"Partial or partials?

Multiple contributors?

Yes, yes and yes.

To answer the second question first: Yes there are multiple donors--three--on the tie.

Regarding the first question: All of the DNA related to the three donors is partial.

[Translation: All of the profiles obtained for each donor is a partial profile. ]

Finally, there was one donor who contributed saliva to the tie. It is likely that this is Cooper's DNA given it is easy to envision Cooper smoking, drinking or eating and inadvertently contributing the sample.

None of this explains what happened to the cigarette butts and shaft of hair. Or, why the FBI feels certain enough about their partial DNA profile to publicly exclude Weber and LD by virtue of that DNA while avoiding questions about Sheridan's results."

Who knows how accurate any of this is! Of course we don't know what partial means for any of these profiles? Others go on to claim multiple tests (at least 3) were required for each donor to even obtain a partial in each case! Still SA Carr maintained the profiles they have are good enough to "exclude" people. It's a mess with conflicting stories, but it never prevents Cooperfiles from writing about it ... 

There is another guy who states: "The FBI has 14 partials enough to eliminate but not include..."  ::)

So I pose a question for you: How many loci (in Codis-13) do you consider the minimum for a partial? Which loci do you consider most likely to register after 3 runs? Could we assemble our own 'partial model' as a guesstimate of what the FBI must have at minimum?

My understanding is that the above is correct.

It also poses an outstanding question at the end.

I asked the FBI this very question and received the "can't discuss it" response from them. I really do not understand this because they've already stated it's only partial and can exclude some suspects...why not attribute a tangible figure to these statements?

I will say this much, the DNA sample they used for LD Cooper did not come from LD, rather it came from a relative (perhaps daughter). My understanding is that the profile has to be of "reasonable" strength to make that connection. Also, apparently the profile is strong enough for the FBI to actually make the comparisons and exclude Duane and LD.

Two final questions: After taking Sheridan's DNA the FBI investigated him in Nepal and Deer Park, WA...why wouldn't they do this after receiving the DNA results? Did they do this after receiving the DNA results?

How soon after taking Sheridan's DNA did they investigate him in Nepal?  I'm assuming you know the sequence of events.  Were different agents doing parts of the investigation at different times where one group would get the DNA and one group would do other leg work, or did the DNA sample result in them then moving further along in the investigation? 

If the FBI actually has DNA that they think is Cooper's, then they really only need a few of the 13 to rule someone out.  So I'm going to hypothesis that they either don't have enough, or they did rule out Peterson and are just not saying it.  You could ask the FBI if water is wet and they would give you a standard answer of "we don't discuss that."  Somewhere along the line they got bit one too many times and are just not saying anything.  Them not answering really means nothing.  DNA from a daughter would be plenty to compare.

Georger raises good points.  Maybe he has some contacts who could help determine what partial would be needed.  I wonder about the DNA.  Hypothetically they could have samples from 3 different people on the plane, but that does not mean that all 3 samples are from the same genetic markers, so you'd have to rule out a suspect for all 3 of those samples, which means if the samples are partial, a suspect could maybe be ruled out for 2 of the 3, leaving him questionable for the 3rd.  As some of the legal experts have said here before, the government needs a conviction, and therefore needs a great match, maybe even at 13 markers. 

I'm not a legal expert or a DNA expert, but I've studied the science and the probabilities, and to be a match for even 3 or 4 of the 13 is highly improbable.  The government would not put you in jail for murder on just 3 or 4 of the 13, but if there was other evidence, it would help the case.  So if the FBI has the DNA, and they have 3 or 4 markers, and then they find someone who fits the profile (description, experience, grudge, etc.), then that should be enough for them to say they have their guy.  A conviction is next to impossible at this time I bet.

DNA is a 13 digit lottery number, in order, with decimals within those 13.  The odds of a match are in the  trillions.  If the FBI has DNA, then they can rule someone out easily.  I just don't think they have what they need.

I like your last two paragraphs very much. Let me keep this short.   The only single thing I have ever heard that may have some credibility, is that the FBI has a partial profile technicians got from saliva found on the tie. For several reasons they feel that sample most likely came from Cooper and the sample is a reliable sample. That sample is uncontaminated from a single male donor. That sample might yield additional information in the future. That is the best most promising information I have on this matter. The FBI is well-aware of its options in these matters.

I am now fully retired from the previous interest I had in genetic matters.  :congrats:       
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4681 on: February 19, 2019, 02:18:34 PM »
I guess I will post this here. I guess the subject of Sheridan Peterson is everywhere, in all threads.

Sheridan Peterson has had a lot of attention for years, from the same people. Notably 377, Sailshaw, Snowmman, and now EU. Many of the arguments or claims about SP being DB Cooper have been repeated over and over many times, for years. EU now arrives out of nowhere and repeats some of the same narrative again. Specifically,

"First let’s establish some facts per the FBI and the physical evidence.
1.   Cooper requested a flap setting of 15 degrees--a setting unique to the 727.
2.   Cooper knew where the oxygen bottles were stored on the 727.
3.   Cooper demonstrated familiarity with 727 refueling procedures and times.
4.   Cooper knew the 727’s rear airstairs could be deployed in-flight.
5.   Cooper’s clip-on tie contained commercially pure titanium, high grade Series 300 Stainless Steel and aluminum particles.
DB Cooper demonstrated knowledge of the 727 and possessed particles on his clip-on tie that strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee (Facts 1-5)."

I ask: are points 1-5 even true? Even if true, do points 1-5 "strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee" as EU says, or could there be other options?

I thought SP had been dna tested and ruled out? Is that true or not? Where does EU stand on that? 

And I hate to have to say it but: I dont want to pay 9.99 to get the answers to these basic questions.  :nono:
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4682 on: February 19, 2019, 11:28:45 PM »
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I guess I will post this here. I guess the subject of Sheridan Peterson is everywhere, in all threads.

Sheridan Peterson has had a lot of attention for years, from the same people. Notably 377, Sailshaw, Snowmman, and now EU. Many of the arguments or claims about SP being DB Cooper have been repeated over and over many times, for years. EU now arrives out of nowhere and repeats some of the same narrative again. Specifically,

"First let’s establish some facts per the FBI and the physical evidence.
1.   Cooper requested a flap setting of 15 degrees--a setting unique to the 727.
2.   Cooper knew where the oxygen bottles were stored on the 727.
3.   Cooper demonstrated familiarity with 727 refueling procedures and times.
4.   Cooper knew the 727’s rear airstairs could be deployed in-flight.
5.   Cooper’s clip-on tie contained commercially pure titanium, high grade Series 300 Stainless Steel and aluminum particles.
DB Cooper demonstrated knowledge of the 727 and possessed particles on his clip-on tie that strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee (Facts 1-5)."

I ask: are points 1-5 even true? Even if true, do points 1-5 "strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee" as EU says, or could there be other options?

I thought SP had been dna tested and ruled out? Is that true or not? Where does EU stand on that? 

And I hate to have to say it but: I dont want to pay 9.99 to get the answers to these basic questions.  :nono:

The 727 was not some super secret plane like the SR-71.  How many thousands of flights had 727's already had? How many hundreds of airports had it been at? How many thousands of pilots, stewardesses, co-pilots, first officers, ground crews, baggage handlers, fuelers, etc. had worked on it or near it?  Flaps are on every plane, oxygen bottles in most.  Cooper could have flown the route once before and learned where the bottles were.  He could have guessed a lot too. Larry Carr's profile says he is a kind of know it all.  Why could he not have talked to a pilot at some point? Or worked near an airport? Or even worked at an airport?  If he planned this out, wouldn't he have talked to people that worked at airports?

Any thoughts on what Cooper would have done if he hadn't gotten a seat in the last row all to himself? What if he had gotten a middle seat in a middle row next to someone?
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4683 on: February 19, 2019, 11:38:54 PM »
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I guess I will post this here. I guess the subject of Sheridan Peterson is everywhere, in all threads.

Sheridan Peterson has had a lot of attention for years, from the same people. Notably 377, Sailshaw, Snowmman, and now EU. Many of the arguments or claims about SP being DB Cooper have been repeated over and over many times, for years. EU now arrives out of nowhere and repeats some of the same narrative again. Specifically,

"First let’s establish some facts per the FBI and the physical evidence.
1.   Cooper requested a flap setting of 15 degrees--a setting unique to the 727.
2.   Cooper knew where the oxygen bottles were stored on the 727.
3.   Cooper demonstrated familiarity with 727 refueling procedures and times.
4.   Cooper knew the 727’s rear airstairs could be deployed in-flight.
5.   Cooper’s clip-on tie contained commercially pure titanium, high grade Series 300 Stainless Steel and aluminum particles.
DB Cooper demonstrated knowledge of the 727 and possessed particles on his clip-on tie that strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee (Facts 1-5)."

I ask: are points 1-5 even true? Even if true, do points 1-5 "strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee" as EU says, or could there be other options?

I thought SP had been dna tested and ruled out? Is that true or not? Where does EU stand on that? 

And I hate to have to say it but: I dont want to pay 9.99 to get the answers to these basic questions.  :nono:

The 727 was not some super secret plane like the SR-71.  How many thousands of flights had 727's already had? How many hundreds of airports had it been at? How many thousands of pilots, stewardesses, co-pilots, first officers, ground crews, baggage handlers, fuelers, etc. had worked on it or near it?  Flaps are on every plane, oxygen bottles in most.  Cooper could have flown the route once before and learned where the bottles were.  He could have guessed a lot too. Larry Carr's profile says he is a kind of know it all.  Why could he not have talked to a pilot at some point? Or worked near an airport? Or even worked at an airport?  If he planned this out, wouldn't he have talked to people that worked at airports?

Any thoughts on what Cooper would have done if he hadn't gotten a seat in the last row all to himself? What if he had gotten a middle seat in a middle row next to someone?

He said it was  'the right plane at the right place at the right time'. A confluence of 'opportunities'. And 'free' for the taking!  :nono:
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« Reply #4684 on: February 19, 2019, 11:42:00 PM »
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I guess I will post this here. I guess the subject of Sheridan Peterson is everywhere, in all threads.

Sheridan Peterson has had a lot of attention for years, from the same people. Notably 377, Sailshaw, Snowmman, and now EU. Many of the arguments or claims about SP being DB Cooper have been repeated over and over many times, for years. EU now arrives out of nowhere and repeats some of the same narrative again. Specifically,

"First let’s establish some facts per the FBI and the physical evidence.
1.   Cooper requested a flap setting of 15 degrees--a setting unique to the 727.
2.   Cooper knew where the oxygen bottles were stored on the 727.
3.   Cooper demonstrated familiarity with 727 refueling procedures and times.
4.   Cooper knew the 727’s rear airstairs could be deployed in-flight.
5.   Cooper’s clip-on tie contained commercially pure titanium, high grade Series 300 Stainless Steel and aluminum particles.
DB Cooper demonstrated knowledge of the 727 and possessed particles on his clip-on tie that strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee (Facts 1-5)."

I ask: are points 1-5 even true? Even if true, do points 1-5 "strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee" as EU says, or could there be other options?

I thought SP had been dna tested and ruled out? Is that true or not? Where does EU stand on that? 

And I hate to have to say it but: I dont want to pay 9.99 to get the answers to these basic questions.  :nono:

The 727 was not some super secret plane like the SR-71.  How many thousands of flights had 727's already had? How many hundreds of airports had it been at? How many thousands of pilots, stewardesses, co-pilots, first officers, ground crews, baggage handlers, fuelers, etc. had worked on it or near it?  Flaps are on every plane, oxygen bottles in most.  Cooper could have flown the route once before and learned where the bottles were.  He could have guessed a lot too. Larry Carr's profile says he is a kind of know it all.  Why could he not have talked to a pilot at some point? Or worked near an airport? Or even worked at an airport?  If he planned this out, wouldn't he have talked to people that worked at airports?

Any thoughts on what Cooper would have done if he hadn't gotten a seat in the last row all to himself? What if he had gotten a middle seat in a middle row next to someone?

He said it was  'the right plane at the right place at the right time'. A confluence of 'opportunities'.

...and he just happened to be carrying around a bomb in his briefcase waiting for "the right plane at the right place at the right time."  ????
 

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« Reply #4685 on: February 19, 2019, 11:44:26 PM »
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I guess I will post this here. I guess the subject of Sheridan Peterson is everywhere, in all threads.

Sheridan Peterson has had a lot of attention for years, from the same people. Notably 377, Sailshaw, Snowmman, and now EU. Many of the arguments or claims about SP being DB Cooper have been repeated over and over many times, for years. EU now arrives out of nowhere and repeats some of the same narrative again. Specifically,

"First let’s establish some facts per the FBI and the physical evidence.
1.   Cooper requested a flap setting of 15 degrees--a setting unique to the 727.
2.   Cooper knew where the oxygen bottles were stored on the 727.
3.   Cooper demonstrated familiarity with 727 refueling procedures and times.
4.   Cooper knew the 727’s rear airstairs could be deployed in-flight.
5.   Cooper’s clip-on tie contained commercially pure titanium, high grade Series 300 Stainless Steel and aluminum particles.
DB Cooper demonstrated knowledge of the 727 and possessed particles on his clip-on tie that strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee (Facts 1-5)."

I ask: are points 1-5 even true? Even if true, do points 1-5 "strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee" as EU says, or could there be other options?

I thought SP had been dna tested and ruled out? Is that true or not? Where does EU stand on that? 

And I hate to have to say it but: I dont want to pay 9.99 to get the answers to these basic questions.  :nono:

The 727 was not some super secret plane like the SR-71.  How many thousands of flights had 727's already had? How many hundreds of airports had it been at? How many thousands of pilots, stewardesses, co-pilots, first officers, ground crews, baggage handlers, fuelers, etc. had worked on it or near it?  Flaps are on every plane, oxygen bottles in most.  Cooper could have flown the route once before and learned where the bottles were.  He could have guessed a lot too. Larry Carr's profile says he is a kind of know it all.  Why could he not have talked to a pilot at some point? Or worked near an airport? Or even worked at an airport?  If he planned this out, wouldn't he have talked to people that worked at airports?

Any thoughts on what Cooper would have done if he hadn't gotten a seat in the last row all to himself? What if he had gotten a middle seat in a middle row next to someone?

He said it was  'the right plane at the right place at the right time'. A confluence of 'opportunities'.

...and he just happened to be carrying around a bomb in his briefcase waiting for "the right plane at the right place at the right time."  ????

Wonderful! Exactly. And I just happen to have a recently made bomb in a brief case!  wonnerful a-wonnerful! Bring on the Sparkle sisters and the one man Titanium band.   :chr2:
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« Reply #4686 on: February 21, 2019, 09:06:58 AM »
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I guess I will post this here. I guess the subject of Sheridan Peterson is everywhere, in all threads.

Sheridan Peterson has had a lot of attention for years, from the same people. Notably 377, Sailshaw, Snowmman, and now EU. Many of the arguments or claims about SP being DB Cooper have been repeated over and over many times, for years. EU now arrives out of nowhere and repeats some of the same narrative again. Specifically,

"First let’s establish some facts per the FBI and the physical evidence.
1.   Cooper requested a flap setting of 15 degrees--a setting unique to the 727.
2.   Cooper knew where the oxygen bottles were stored on the 727.
3.   Cooper demonstrated familiarity with 727 refueling procedures and times.
4.   Cooper knew the 727’s rear airstairs could be deployed in-flight.
5.   Cooper’s clip-on tie contained commercially pure titanium, high grade Series 300 Stainless Steel and aluminum particles.
DB Cooper demonstrated knowledge of the 727 and possessed particles on his clip-on tie that strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee (Facts 1-5)."

I ask: are points 1-5 even true? Even if true, do points 1-5 "strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee" as EU says, or could there be other options?

I thought SP had been dna tested and ruled out? Is that true or not? Where does EU stand on that? 

And I hate to have to say it but: I dont want to pay 9.99 to get the answers to these basic questions.  :nono:

The 727 was not some super secret plane like the SR-71.  How many thousands of flights had 727's already had? How many hundreds of airports had it been at? How many thousands of pilots, stewardesses, co-pilots, first officers, ground crews, baggage handlers, fuelers, etc. had worked on it or near it?  Flaps are on every plane, oxygen bottles in most.  Cooper could have flown the route once before and learned where the bottles were.  He could have guessed a lot too. Larry Carr's profile says he is a kind of know it all.  Why could he not have talked to a pilot at some point? Or worked near an airport? Or even worked at an airport?  If he planned this out, wouldn't he have talked to people that worked at airports?

Any thoughts on what Cooper would have done if he hadn't gotten a seat in the last row all to himself? What if he had gotten a middle seat in a middle row next to someone?

He said it was  'the right plane at the right place at the right time'. A confluence of 'opportunities'.

...and he just happened to be carrying around a bomb in his briefcase waiting for "the right plane at the right place at the right time."  ????

Which would lead me to believe the "bomb" was a fake.

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« Reply #4687 on: February 21, 2019, 09:04:26 PM »
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I guess I will post this here. I guess the subject of Sheridan Peterson is everywhere, in all threads.

Sheridan Peterson has had a lot of attention for years, from the same people. Notably 377, Sailshaw, Snowmman, and now EU. Many of the arguments or claims about SP being DB Cooper have been repeated over and over many times, for years. EU now arrives out of nowhere and repeats some of the same narrative again. Specifically,

"First let’s establish some facts per the FBI and the physical evidence.
1.   Cooper requested a flap setting of 15 degrees--a setting unique to the 727.
2.   Cooper knew where the oxygen bottles were stored on the 727.
3.   Cooper demonstrated familiarity with 727 refueling procedures and times.
4.   Cooper knew the 727’s rear airstairs could be deployed in-flight.
5.   Cooper’s clip-on tie contained commercially pure titanium, high grade Series 300 Stainless Steel and aluminum particles.
DB Cooper demonstrated knowledge of the 727 and possessed particles on his clip-on tie that strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee (Facts 1-5)."

I ask: are points 1-5 even true? Even if true, do points 1-5 "strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee" as EU says, or could there be other options?

I thought SP had been dna tested and ruled out? Is that true or not? Where does EU stand on that? 

And I hate to have to say it but: I dont want to pay 9.99 to get the answers to these basic questions.  :nono:

Georger-did you get an answer to this post? Anything you are able to share? I got the impression from Tom Kaye's talk at the conference that the tie may not have come from Boeing.  He showed a shot of a tie that a man gave him and it was extremely clean under a microscope, completely different than the dirty tie (as seen under the microscope) found on the plane.
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« Reply #4688 on: February 22, 2019, 12:06:08 AM »
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I guess I will post this here. I guess the subject of Sheridan Peterson is everywhere, in all threads.

Sheridan Peterson has had a lot of attention for years, from the same people. Notably 377, Sailshaw, Snowmman, and now EU. Many of the arguments or claims about SP being DB Cooper have been repeated over and over many times, for years. EU now arrives out of nowhere and repeats some of the same narrative again. Specifically,

"First let’s establish some facts per the FBI and the physical evidence.
1.   Cooper requested a flap setting of 15 degrees--a setting unique to the 727.
2.   Cooper knew where the oxygen bottles were stored on the 727.
3.   Cooper demonstrated familiarity with 727 refueling procedures and times.
4.   Cooper knew the 727’s rear airstairs could be deployed in-flight.
5.   Cooper’s clip-on tie contained commercially pure titanium, high grade Series 300 Stainless Steel and aluminum particles.
DB Cooper demonstrated knowledge of the 727 and possessed particles on his clip-on tie that strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee (Facts 1-5)."

I ask: are points 1-5 even true? Even if true, do points 1-5 "strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee" as EU says, or could there be other options?

I thought SP had been dna tested and ruled out? Is that true or not? Where does EU stand on that? 

And I hate to have to say it but: I dont want to pay 9.99 to get the answers to these basic questions.  :nono:

Georger-did you get an answer to this post? Anything you are able to share? I got the impression from Tom Kaye's talk at the conference that the tie may not have come from Boeing.  He showed a shot of a tie that a man gave him and it was extremely clean under a microscope, completely different than the dirty tie (as seen under the microscope) found on the plane.

The whole matter is in flux so far as I know. Tom laid out his feelings and direction at the seminar. There are people with all kinds of ideas from dentistry to cathode ray tubes to Boeing to . . . . Tom advised people to focus on the 'classes' or families of particles which may be related due to a common source - an approach I agree with.

Could these particles be related to Cooper's grudge? Lung cancer from smoking or toxic element exposure? So far as I know no particles or substances have emerged which clearly relate to a serious health issue, medications, or a therapeutic regimen Cooper was involved with ? Maybe we need a good toxicologist to review the particle list? I had someone with a bio-medical background look at the particle list and nothing stood out to him .... except he did make the comment: 'this guy smoked a lot?' ?       
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« Reply #4689 on: February 26, 2019, 01:18:21 PM »
Georger wrote: So far as I know no particles or substances have emerged which clearly relate to a serious health issue, medications, or a therapeutic regimen Cooper was involved with?


Wikipedia: Yttrium-90, a radioactive isotope, is used in treatments for various cancers and is used in precision medical needles to sever pain-transmitting nerves in the spinal cord.

But I don't think this isotope was the kind of Yttrium material found on the tie. Georger? Tom?

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« Reply #4690 on: February 26, 2019, 01:24:07 PM »
Interestingly, samples of rock and dust brought back from the Apollo moon landings show a high yttrium content. The yttrium content in lunar soil samples ranged from 54 to 213 parts per million. This compares with an average abundance of 33 parts per million in the earth’s crust.

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BINGO. Cooper was an Apollo astronaut. But which one? ;)

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« Reply #4691 on: February 26, 2019, 02:29:39 PM »
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Interestingly, samples of rock and dust brought back from the Apollo moon landings show a high yttrium content. The yttrium content in lunar soil samples ranged from 54 to 213 parts per million. This compares with an average abundance of 33 parts per million in the earth’s crust.

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BINGO. Cooper was an Apollo astronaut. But which one? ;)

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Those really were the good ol' days. Not only did people dress up when they flew on airliners back then, apparently the astronauts wore ties on the moon as well.  :D
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« Reply #4692 on: February 26, 2019, 04:09:43 PM »
Nobody has walked on the moon except Michael Jackson. Steph Curry knows the inside story.

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I guess I will post this here. I guess the subject of Sheridan Peterson is everywhere, in all threads.

Sheridan Peterson has had a lot of attention for years, from the same people. Notably 377, Sailshaw, Snowmman, and now EU. Many of the arguments or claims about SP being DB Cooper have been repeated over and over many times, for years. EU now arrives out of nowhere and repeats some of the same narrative again. Specifically,

"First let’s establish some facts per the FBI and the physical evidence.
1.   Cooper requested a flap setting of 15 degrees--a setting unique to the 727.
2.   Cooper knew where the oxygen bottles were stored on the 727.
3.   Cooper demonstrated familiarity with 727 refueling procedures and times.
4.   Cooper knew the 727’s rear airstairs could be deployed in-flight.
5.   Cooper’s clip-on tie contained commercially pure titanium, high grade Series 300 Stainless Steel and aluminum particles.
DB Cooper demonstrated knowledge of the 727 and possessed particles on his clip-on tie that strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee (Facts 1-5)."

I ask: are points 1-5 even true? Even if true, do points 1-5 "strongly indicate that he was a former Boeing employee" as EU says, or could there be other options?

I thought SP had been dna tested and ruled out? Is that true or not? Where does EU stand on that? 

And I hate to have to say it but: I dont want to pay 9.99 to get the answers to these basic questions.  :nono:

Georger-did you get an answer to this post? Anything you are able to share? I got the impression from Tom Kaye's talk at the conference that the tie may not have come from Boeing.  He showed a shot of a tie that a man gave him and it was extremely clean under a microscope, completely different than the dirty tie (as seen under the microscope) found on the plane.

The whole matter is in flux so far as I know. Tom laid out his feelings and direction at the seminar. There are people with all kinds of ideas from dentistry to cathode ray tubes to Boeing to . . . . Tom advised people to focus on the 'classes' or families of particles which may be related due to a common source - an approach I agree with.

Could these particles be related to Cooper's grudge? Lung cancer from smoking or toxic element exposure? So far as I know no particles or substances have emerged which clearly relate to a serious health issue, medications, or a therapeutic regimen Cooper was involved with ? Maybe we need a good toxicologist to review the particle list? I had someone with a bio-medical background look at the particle list and nothing stood out to him .... except he did make the comment: 'this guy smoked a lot?' ?       

I found a family of 16 particles which are related due to a common source. My findings will be revealed in the upcoming episode of the cooper vortex, which is currently in editing and should be released soon! Big thanks to Darren for having me on....
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4694 on: March 04, 2019, 11:34:28 PM »
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Georger wrote: So far as I know no particles or substances have emerged which clearly relate to a serious health issue, medications, or a therapeutic regimen Cooper was involved with?


Wikipedia: Yttrium-90, a radioactive isotope, is used in treatments for various cancers and is used in precision medical needles to sever pain-transmitting nerves in the spinal cord.

But I don't think this isotope was the kind of Yttrium material found on the tie. Georger? Tom?

377

I doubt it ?     Tom?     ;)