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Offline Unsurelock

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4530 on: December 19, 2018, 09:19:14 PM »
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Alright, so then...

What type of person would behave as though using the radio was a hazard, but smoking cigarettes wasn't?  If we can find an area of expertise within demolition that marries these two thoughts, we can potentially boil down his background.

Or he was full of shit. Just to throw that in there again.

I believe he made the comment to try a slow information to the ground and add more fear. obviously, he had knowledge of this as well. did he read up or was he involved in this too? how many things can this guy do?

I heard this threat elsewhere. Die Hard With a Vengeance. The bad guy tells the police he has a huge bomb in a school somewhere and a radio detonator. Then he makes a veiled threat, saying that the receiver is cheap and tends to be set off by police frequencies. As a result, they stop using the police band.

So chicken or egg time - did the screenwriter get this gimmick from Cooper, or could the two of them both have seen an older film with the same gimmick? I'll see what I can turn up, because I think Cooper was big on taking other people's ideas.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4531 on: December 19, 2018, 09:41:51 PM »
I remember the movie well..."where are my detonators"  :rofl:

these devices were remote controlled. that means a frequency was used for the remote. you do not want to use radios around this type of device.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4532 on: December 19, 2018, 10:08:50 PM »
Come on, Shut. That's part one. This is part three where the bad guy is the brother of the first movie's bad guy. Like a soap opera for dudes who like explosions.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4533 on: December 19, 2018, 10:15:01 PM »
I remember it, but the first one hit me with the detonator quote. kinda went back in time. that was also on a timer wasn't it? I recall once they found it the timer was counting down?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4534 on: December 19, 2018, 10:18:30 PM »
Pancake syrup  :rofl:

 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4535 on: December 19, 2018, 11:32:42 PM »
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Pancake syrup  :rofl:



While I realise we have every kind of expert imaginable here, and several to spare, more waiting in the wings ....... coming back to Cooper and what COOPER DID! ... "he" brought up the whole issue of electromagnetic induction.

Nobody here brought it up!   No expert here was there at the time!     :rofl:

Thus, the record was made before some of you were even born! 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4536 on: December 19, 2018, 11:46:48 PM »
smart asses are a dime a dozen here too!
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4537 on: December 19, 2018, 11:55:21 PM »
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smart asses are a dime a dozen here too!

well it leaves me and others wondering who and what is being discussed - Cooper or local experts and their testimony? Especially when the latter claim to speak for Cooper or what Cooper was thinking and why Cooper did this or that ... Tina for example has never claimed to think for Cooper; she merely reported what she saw and said. Then someone transcribed what she said - another typed it up. Hopefully there weren't thirty Cooper experts competing with each other between Tina's testimony and the final product we read?  ;)
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4538 on: December 20, 2018, 12:38:30 AM »
Here is where I'm at boys... cooper came from a select group of Boeing Commercial Airplanes Engineers specifically a member of the CAG Mechanical Systems Staff that worked on the follow-on phase I test program for the titanium hydraulic tubing on the SST (many particles found on tie match this program.) If this was a C.I.A. sponsored opp where does the grudge come in why would cooper say he has a grudge if he is carrying out a mission to improve airline safety and change regs?? Unless maybe it was severely effecting commercial airline travel?? Not saying cooper wasn't CIA or special forces but not on official assignment. I think the answer or the grudge ties in with super sonic transport and the timing of the heist right after Boeing SST cancellation is not coincidental. I believe it all ties in with the aerospace industry and them getting fucked by the united states government...it started with the Avrow CF-105 arrow in Canada...after our government was able to sabotage that the prominent engineers who worked on the project came to the states to work for NASA, Lockheed as well as Boeing commercial airplanes who did extensive work for the SST project. I can imagine these Boeing engineers would be pretty salty after working on two major super sonic projects that both got killed by our government, when you throw in the alias Dan cooper (comic book) it's ties to Canada and aerospace, experimental space travel, good vs evil ect. all the ducks line up in a row.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4539 on: December 20, 2018, 01:31:59 AM »
CF-105 Arrow. Don’t get me started. Super advanced plane. So much invested. Then the program was killed by politicians and all prototypes and tooling destroyed. True, ICBMs we’re making interceptors less relevant but still.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4540 on: December 20, 2018, 01:56:04 AM »
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smart asses are a dime a dozen here too!

well it leaves me and others wondering who and what is being discussed - Cooper or local experts and their testimony? Especially when the latter claim to speak for Cooper or what Cooper was thinking and why Cooper did this or that ... Tina for example has never claimed to think for Cooper; she merely reported what she saw and said. Then someone transcribed what she said - another typed it up. Hopefully there weren't thirty Cooper experts competing with each other between Tina's testimony and the final product we read?  ;)

and I along with others were discussing the statements and the possibility of a real or fake bomb. I posted the video clip because of another poster talking about the clip I posted.

all of the statements are reporting what they saw and said or heard, felt, touched etc.? we tend to review those statements. opinions are given. doesn't mean they are experts?

why am I being criticized for discussion?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4541 on: December 20, 2018, 02:43:15 AM »
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smart asses are a dime a dozen here too!

well it leaves me and others wondering who and what is being discussed - Cooper or local experts and their testimony? Especially when the latter claim to speak for Cooper or what Cooper was thinking and why Cooper did this or that ... Tina for example has never claimed to think for Cooper; she merely reported what she saw and said. Then someone transcribed what she said - another typed it up. Hopefully there weren't thirty Cooper experts competing with each other between Tina's testimony and the final product we read?  ;)

and I along with others were discussing the statements and the possibility of a real or fake bomb. I posted the video clip because of another poster talking about the clip I posted.

all of the statements are reporting what they saw and said or heard, felt, touched etc.? we tend to review those statements. opinions are given. doesn't mean they are experts?

why am I being criticized for discussion?

OK so let me address this directly!

Its the holiday week - I do not wish to fight with anyone, not even you!

The merits of the issue have waited 40+ years ... today is today and Im focused on that and my family! I feel like I wandered into a bar fight. Yes I know you have a lot on your plate right now with new people here etc. Its a tense forum with lots going on right now.  That has nothing to do with me! So off to Christamas and gift wrapping for my grand kids I go! Is that permitted?  8)

Have a happy holiday Shutter.   

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4542 on: December 20, 2018, 07:56:37 AM »
This is in regard to earlier posts about the bomb....              I am not trying to steer the discussion to fit a certain suspect despite what some might think.       I am trying to point out the peculiarities of the battery as described by Tina. She described the battery as being 2.5 inches around and 8 inches long. She also said something about it being a dry cell type battery with the terminals on one end. In my own experiences I have only seen one application that used batteries described as such. (I imagine there are probably other applications as well)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   This sounds to me like the type of battery that raccoon hunters use (or used during this era). For those unfamiliar with what I am talking about ,the hunters would wear some type of belt or possibly vest which would hold a number of batteries. Normally they would have them mounted in the belt around their waist. I believe they would balance them out, some on the right side some on the left. These batteries were wired in a series which in turn would power their headlamps and spotlights.  I am not sure what voltage these were.                                                       
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4543 on: December 20, 2018, 08:06:52 AM »
Georger, I don't think the only two things to be found on Cooper's tie are things he used to light cigarettes with and the entire contents of a cathode ray tube. I want to understand what particles may come from elsewhere. And he had just constructed the device in his briefcase. Probably a contributor to the tie.

In order to understand the particles, I want to figure out first if the bomb was real or fake, or what the odds are. If it was real, it might mean subtracting one set of particles from the McCrone data; if it was fake, a different set. This is why I am interested.

As far as "guessing," what would you suggest someone does when profiling a serial killer? Never try to envision motive? Should the cops entirely forego asking if the victim had any enemies, or why they might have gone into an alley late at night?

I know you like to stick to the "facts," as you see them, but you cannot remove brainstorming from any process and expect it to work. I seem to run into this with you every time others are finally engaging in back and forth with me - you try to stamp out my ideas.

I am not doing anything incorrectly. I am not doing anything immoral. I am not taking a crap on testimony. I am not harming this already dead investigation in any way by trying to eyeball the odds on a bomb being real. I wasn't doing anything wrong when I observed that the T-bar bills appeared - to me - to be cut, referenced a scientist who thought so as well, and offered an alternate hypothesis (did I use the right word? Not 'theory'?) And I won't be doing anything wrong when I try to ask the next questions I offer up.

If you want to control content, start a blog. In the meantime, lay off, Georger. Let's be friends.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4544 on: December 20, 2018, 09:14:50 AM »
I'm sure that dynamite comes in all different sizes and it probably changed from the 70's to 90's when I was working with it. But I never saw any dynamite that was red in color. I can't remember exactly what color the sticks we used were, but I want to say tan or pink. The sticks we used were short though, probably 6 inches or so. They were also thick, about the same thickness as a bottle of water, certainly more than 1 inch.