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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2700 on: June 27, 2018, 06:06:52 PM »
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Its always nice to read how they would conduct the Cooper hijacking, or how they think Cooper 'might have' conducted it. Researchers as a rule like to ponder how things actually happened.

Georger: I would love to ponder what actually happened, but if any of us could do that, Cooper's identity would not have remained a mystery for close to 50 years.  Even the "facts" that we do "know" are often disputed.  Take the parachutes as just one example.  Were they Cossey's chutes?  Were they Hayden's chutes?  Were they chutes that were owned by Hayden, but packed by Cossey?  Were they military, civilian, or a mixture of the two?  Were they ripstop, or some sort of earlier material that happened to look like ripstop?  On all of those points, you can find things reported as "facts," but they all conflict with each other.  That's just issues with the reporting on the parachutes.  Forget about all of the other "facts" that we can't count on.  I mean, we call the guy DB Cooper because of a misreported fact.  So, I don't know that researching "how things actually happened" is very realistic at this point.

So Cooper is dark matter/dark energy. Only by mind melding can we know its truth?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2701 on: June 27, 2018, 08:49:44 PM »
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Hello.  I am hoping that someone can answer a question for me.  If Cooper wasn't overly concerned with his own safety, how small of a rig could he have packed and still had a reasonable chance at surviving a jump?  I'm assuming that a primary chute without a reserve, or vice versa, would be smaller than having both, and that a smaller canopy would pack into a smaller volume container.

The reason that I am asking is that I wonder whether the bag that Cooper was reportedly carrying when he boarded the plane might have contained a chute.  In McCoy's hijacking, he brought his own chute, and tossed the chutes that were provided to him to throw off search parties, because he believed they would contain tracking devices.  Isn't it reasonable to assume that Cooper would have had similar fears?  The fact that he asked for two of each kind of chute seems to generally be interpreted to mean that he wanted to give the impression that he was going to be jumping with a hostage to prevent the FBI from giving him a dummy chute.  If he was concerned about that, wouldn't it make more sense to try to sneak his own rig onto the plane?

Yes it was a risk to jump with their chutes...It is possible he carried on his own ( albeit very small )  chute in that bag of his....  But the chute I used when I skydive could t have been hidden in a bag without anyone noticing the bulk,and I'll assume the NB8 or whatever was at least the same size as a recreational chute....  but  I just don't see this....  Instead, I'd expect in that bag of his, the following... wrist altimeter, jumping boots, electronic homing receiver, say for a beacon placed on the Dam, transmitter to hear the control tower, etc... Things that'd acheive the caper...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2702 on: June 28, 2018, 11:47:58 AM »
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Hello.  I am hoping that someone can answer a question for me.  If Cooper wasn't overly concerned with his own safety, how small of a rig could he have packed and still had a reasonable chance at surviving a jump?  I'm assuming that a primary chute without a reserve, or vice versa, would be smaller than having both, and that a smaller canopy would pack into a smaller volume container.

The reason that I am asking is that I wonder whether the bag that Cooper was reportedly carrying when he boarded the plane might have contained a chute.  In McCoy's hijacking, he brought his own chute, and tossed the chutes that were provided to him to throw off search parties, because he believed they would contain tracking devices.  Isn't it reasonable to assume that Cooper would have had similar fears?  The fact that he asked for two of each kind of chute seems to generally be interpreted to mean that he wanted to give the impression that he was going to be jumping with a hostage to prevent the FBI from giving him a dummy chute.  If he was concerned about that, wouldn't it make more sense to try to sneak his own rig onto the plane?

Yes it was a risk to jump with their chutes...It is possible he carried on his own ( albeit very small )  chute in that bag of his....  But the chute I used when I skydive could t have been hidden in a bag without anyone noticing the bulk,and I'll assume the NB8 or whatever was at least the same size as a recreational chute....  but  I just don't see this....  Instead, I'd expect in that bag of his, the following... wrist altimeter, jumping boots, electronic homing receiver, say for a beacon placed on the Dam, transmitter to hear the control tower, etc... Things that'd acheive the caper...

I have definitely thought about the bag containing gear to help with the jump.  I don't know as much of the equipment as you, but I was thinking about things like goggles, compass, better footwear.  What made me consider that the bag might not have contained those types of items was reading something in which a skydiver said something to the effect of "I have landed jumps from that height barefoot.  I wouldn't recommend it, but it can definitely be done."  It seemed a little odd to me, but it did get me thinking about Cooper's gear (or lack thereof).  I would think that boots would take up valuable space that could have been saved by just wearing a type of boot that looks dressy enough from the pants cuff down to go with a suit, instead of wearing slip-ons.  I can't say whether it would be suitable for skydiving, but I would think that a boot like this wouldn't draw attention under suit pants: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.

I do agree that the scenario you described, with the bag containing gear for the jump, and for navigating, does make a lot more sense than my idea.  I just can't get past the thought of planning out a heist like this, and leaving the most important piece of equipment kind of up to chance.  Your thought would explain why he didn't ask for any gear along with the parachutes though, which makes it considerably more likely than mine.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2703 on: June 28, 2018, 12:15:23 PM »
Tie Clip..

Have not found a match for the tie clip.

While there were many makers of that style known and unknown the style dates way back..

The clip itself looks severely worn and it has indents on the alligator clip, this is rare. I haven't found any similar with indents. IMO, that tie clip was quite old in 1971 for the wear to be that severe on the alligator clip. All similar ones I have found by various makers has not had that amount of wear and they are smooth, no indent on the clip.

If Cooper was in his mid 40's he may have had the tie clip for 25 years..

Note the indents,,,
 

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« Reply #2704 on: June 28, 2018, 12:51:00 PM »
That kind of centered longitudinal indent is a well-known stiffening method used in the manufacture of cheap stamped metal products. Could be wear but might possibly also be part of the mfg process.

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« Reply #2705 on: June 28, 2018, 12:58:31 PM »
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That kind of centered longitudinal indent is a well-known stiffening method used in the manufacture of cheap stamped metal products. Could be wear but might possibly also be part of the mfg process.

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Yes, the indent is part of manufacturing, I didn't mean to imply it was from wear.. the wear is clearly shown as the rubbing through the gold coating..

That indent is unique, all the ones I have found have been solid/smooth..
 

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« Reply #2706 on: June 28, 2018, 01:37:57 PM »
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Tie Clip..

Have not found a match for the tie clip.

While there were many makers of that style known and unknown the style dates way back..

The clip itself looks severely worn and it has indents on the alligator clip, this is rare. I haven't found any similar with indents. IMO, that tie clip was quite old in 1971 for the wear to be that severe on the alligator clip. All similar ones I have found by various makers has not had that amount of wear and they are smooth, no indent on the clip.

If Cooper was in his mid 40's he may have had the tie clip for 25 years..

Note the indents,,,

I have Cooper's exact tie clip from the 60s (picture attached below).

As important, I also have the cufflinks included from the same set (picture attached below).

Most important, Sheridan owned a pair of the cufflinks from the set too. How do I know? He told me.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2707 on: June 28, 2018, 02:26:56 PM »
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Tie Clip..

Have not found a match for the tie clip.

While there were many makers of that style known and unknown the style dates way back..

The clip itself looks severely worn and it has indents on the alligator clip, this is rare. I haven't found any similar with indents. IMO, that tie clip was quite old in 1971 for the wear to be that severe on the alligator clip. All similar ones I have found by various makers has not had that amount of wear and they are smooth, no indent on the clip.

If Cooper was in his mid 40's he may have had the tie clip for 25 years..

Note the indents,,,

I have Cooper's exact tie clip from the 60s (picture attached below).

As important, I also have the cufflinks included from the same set (picture attached below).

Most important, Sheridan owned a pair of the cufflinks from the set too. How do I know? He told me.


It is the same style, how do you know it is the exact same manufacturer.. the alligator clip looks different. There are tons of those things out there.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2708 on: June 28, 2018, 02:27:42 PM »
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Tie Clip..

Have not found a match for the tie clip.

While there were many makers of that style known and unknown the style dates way back..

The clip itself looks severely worn and it has indents on the alligator clip, this is rare. I haven't found any similar with indents. IMO, that tie clip was quite old in 1971 for the wear to be that severe on the alligator clip. All similar ones I have found by various makers has not had that amount of wear and they are smooth, no indent on the clip.

If Cooper was in his mid 40's he may have had the tie clip for 25 years..

Note the indents,,,

A close up of the back.
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« Reply #2709 on: June 28, 2018, 02:29:40 PM »
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Tie Clip..

Have not found a match for the tie clip.

While there were many makers of that style known and unknown the style dates way back..

The clip itself looks severely worn and it has indents on the alligator clip, this is rare. I haven't found any similar with indents. IMO, that tie clip was quite old in 1971 for the wear to be that severe on the alligator clip. All similar ones I have found by various makers has not had that amount of wear and they are smooth, no indent on the clip.

If Cooper was in his mid 40's he may have had the tie clip for 25 years..

Note the indents,,,

I have Cooper's exact tie clip from the 60s (picture attached below).

As important, I also have the cufflinks included from the same set (picture attached below).

Most important, Sheridan owned a pair of the cufflinks from the set too. How do I know? He told me.


It is the same style, how do you know it is the exact same manufacturer.. the alligator clip looks different. There are tons of those things out there.

It's precisely the same.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #2710 on: June 28, 2018, 02:39:52 PM »
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Tie Clip..

Have not found a match for the tie clip.

While there were many makers of that style known and unknown the style dates way back..

The clip itself looks severely worn and it has indents on the alligator clip, this is rare. I haven't found any similar with indents. IMO, that tie clip was quite old in 1971 for the wear to be that severe on the alligator clip. All similar ones I have found by various makers has not had that amount of wear and they are smooth, no indent on the clip.

If Cooper was in his mid 40's he may have had the tie clip for 25 years..

Note the indents,,,

I have Cooper's exact tie clip from the 60s (picture attached below).

As important, I also have the cufflinks included from the same set (picture attached below).

Most important, Sheridan owned a pair of the cufflinks from the set too. How do I know? He told me.


It is the same style, how do you know it is the exact same manufacturer.. the alligator clip looks different. There are tons of those things out there.

It's precisely the same.

Close, but not exact.
 

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« Reply #2711 on: June 28, 2018, 02:45:55 PM »
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Tie Clip..

Have not found a match for the tie clip.

While there were many makers of that style known and unknown the style dates way back..

The clip itself looks severely worn and it has indents on the alligator clip, this is rare. I haven't found any similar with indents. IMO, that tie clip was quite old in 1971 for the wear to be that severe on the alligator clip. All similar ones I have found by various makers has not had that amount of wear and they are smooth, no indent on the clip.

If Cooper was in his mid 40's he may have had the tie clip for 25 years..

Note the indents,,,

I have Cooper's exact tie clip from the 60s (picture attached below).

As important, I also have the cufflinks included from the same set (picture attached below).

Most important, Sheridan owned a pair of the cufflinks from the set too. How do I know? He told me.


It is the same style, how do you know it is the exact same manufacturer.. the alligator clip looks different. There are tons of those things out there.

It's precisely the same.

Close, but not exact.

It is exact. Where do you see a difference?
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« Reply #2712 on: June 28, 2018, 02:50:23 PM »
I have the same clip..I looked into them years ago...most were manufactured by one company and shipped to dealers who had there own boxes made for them..
 

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« Reply #2713 on: June 28, 2018, 02:53:08 PM »
Nicky over at MN wants the tie mvac'd ... genetics and particles .... the Brits to pay for it etc.

Good luck with that!  ;)
 

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« Reply #2714 on: June 28, 2018, 02:57:11 PM »
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I have the same clip..I looked into them years ago...most were manufactured by one company and shipped to dealers who had there own boxes made for them..

Yes. I believe the US company was Anson (Providence, RI) and then was sold under a couple different names. Rhode Island at that time had a near monopoly on costume and other less-expensive jewelry and accessories.
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