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« Reply #270 on: January 03, 2018, 12:11:14 AM »
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The tie and Mother of pearl tie clasp that McCoy had resembles Cooper's. There are receipts that show that he was in Vegas on the 24th. If the FBI hadn't botched the investigation by not collecting magazines on the plane and losing the cigarettes this case would be solved. One thing of interest in the book The real McCoy Jack Ricks one o the Reno FBI agents said someone saw a man running in a black raincoat from the rear stairs just before the Cooper plane came to a stop in Reno at 11:00

The real McCoy Jack Ricks one o the Reno FBI agents said someone saw a man running in a black raincoat from the rear stairs just before the Cooper plane came to a stop in Reno at 11:00

If Agent Ricks said this then why wasn't it captured live by news media and law enforcement tv and film cameras (CBS etc) who broadcast and taped the entire landing of 305 at Reno? There were news and security people and cameras everywhere, including sharp shooters with scopes watching for anyone leaving the plane. CBS showed the landing and taxi to a stop on tv! CBS still has that footage. 

The whole approach and landing to stop and boarding were captured on film, live. There is no need to take anyone's word for anything. 

Its just one more contradiction in and endless series of claims and contradictions that began surfacing almost immediately after the hijacking.   
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« Reply #271 on: January 05, 2018, 01:14:08 PM »
Timet is interesting because they had a titanium plant in Toronto, Canada where Dan Cooper comicbooks would have been known.  They didn't have a connection to the PNW, but there was a lot of movement of employees in the field, so someone associated with Timet in Toronto could have moved to the PNW and lost his job as a result of the SST cancellation in 1971.    The Concorde SST was being developed in France and the UK and when the Boeing SST was cancelled, many companies that had been involved with Boeing went to France in Fall 1971 to get contracts for parts.  One of those companies was Zirtech, out of Albany, OR. Zirtech was in financial trouble in 1971 and wound up selling 200,000 shares of it's stock to KBI for $200,000 ($1 per share) which was a bargain.
 

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« Reply #272 on: January 05, 2018, 07:20:59 PM »
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Timet is interesting because they had a titanium plant in Toronto, Canada where Dan Cooper comicbooks would have been known.  They didn't have a connection to the PNW, but there was a lot of movement of employees in the field, so someone associated with Timet in Toronto could have moved to the PNW and lost his job as a result of the SST cancellation in 1971.    The Concorde SST was being developed in France and the UK and when the Boeing SST was cancelled, many companies that had been involved with Boeing went to France in Fall 1971 to get contracts for parts.  One of those companies was Zirtech, out of Albany, OR. Zirtech was in financial trouble in 1971 and wound up selling 200,000 shares of it's stock to KBI for $200,000 ($1 per share) which was a bargain.

Interesting. On the one hand, Toronto is not a particularly bilingual city - the Cooper comics (along with TinTin) would have been found mostly in Quebec, parts of Manitoba, and New Brunswick, as well as in French language classrooms in every province. Toronto's pretty cosmo, so the books would have been available for purchase there, but again, probably specifically in French bookstores/sections. I'd never heard of the Dan Cooper comics before reading up on this case, though we always had TinTins in the French classrooms (I was in elementary school in Canada in the 70s).  HOWEVER -

that Sky Chef matchbook. Did Tina Mucklow ever identify it as part of the airline service Sky Chef? Because there WAS an unconnected restaurant called Sky Chef in Toronto 1971. Their matchbook looked like this. (390 Bay would be right in the financial district of downtown):
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I have wondered if DBC passed through either Canada or Mexico to launder the money (if he retained it) abroad. It would be easier for it never to turn up again if circulated overseas. (I think it would be too risky to circulate it IN Canada or Mexico, though, as it could re-cross the border quite quickly.)  I simply don't believe every teller in the world was keeping an eye on US twenties for very long after the skyjack, particularly without the computer systems we have today. IF it was ever circulated, the bills would have long been destroyed by now, according to a little cursory research about the life span of circulated money. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
 

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« Reply #273 on: January 05, 2018, 08:50:48 PM »
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Timet is interesting because they had a titanium plant in Toronto, Canada where Dan Cooper comicbooks would have been known.  They didn't have a connection to the PNW, but there was a lot of movement of employees in the field, so someone associated with Timet in Toronto could have moved to the PNW and lost his job as a result of the SST cancellation in 1971.    The Concorde SST was being developed in France and the UK and when the Boeing SST was cancelled, many companies that had been involved with Boeing went to France in Fall 1971 to get contracts for parts.  One of those companies was Zirtech, out of Albany, OR. Zirtech was in financial trouble in 1971 and wound up selling 200,000 shares of it's stock to KBI for $200,000 ($1 per share) which was a bargain.

Interesting. On the one hand, Toronto is not a particularly bilingual city - the Cooper comics (along with TinTin) would have been found mostly in Quebec, parts of Manitoba, and New Brunswick, as well as in French language classrooms in every province. Toronto's pretty cosmo, so the books would have been available for purchase there, but again, probably specifically in French bookstores/sections. I'd never heard of the Dan Cooper comics before reading up on this case, though we always had TinTins in the French classrooms (I was in elementary school in Canada in the 70s).  HOWEVER -

that Sky Chef matchbook. Did Tina Mucklow ever identify it as part of the airline service Sky Chef? Because there WAS an unconnected restaurant called Sky Chef in Toronto 1971. Their matchbook looked like this. (390 Bay would be right in the financial district of downtown):
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I have wondered if DBC passed through either Canada or Mexico to launder the money (if he retained it) abroad. It would be easier for it never to turn up again if circulated overseas. (I think it would be too risky to circulate it IN Canada or Mexico, though, as it could re-cross the border quite quickly.)  I simply don't believe every teller in the world was keeping an eye on US twenties for very long after the skyjack, particularly without the computer systems we have today. IF it was ever circulated, the bills would have long been destroyed by now, according to a little cursory research about the life span of circulated money. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The airline Sky Chef was a nationwide company in the USA in the 1970 era.  And probably jillions of Sky Chef match books were passed to airline passengers, plus a small packet of four cigarettes, with their meal service.
 
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« Reply #274 on: January 05, 2018, 11:46:31 PM »
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Timet is interesting because they had a titanium plant in Toronto, Canada where Dan Cooper comicbooks would have been known.  They didn't have a connection to the PNW, but there was a lot of movement of employees in the field, so someone associated with Timet in Toronto could have moved to the PNW and lost his job as a result of the SST cancellation in 1971.    The Concorde SST was being developed in France and the UK and when the Boeing SST was cancelled, many companies that had been involved with Boeing went to France in Fall 1971 to get contracts for parts.  One of those companies was Zirtech, out of Albany, OR. Zirtech was in financial trouble in 1971 and wound up selling 200,000 shares of it's stock to KBI for $200,000 ($1 per share) which was a bargain.

Interesting. On the one hand, Toronto is not a particularly bilingual city - the Cooper comics (along with TinTin) would have been found mostly in Quebec, parts of Manitoba, and New Brunswick, as well as in French language classrooms in every province. Toronto's pretty cosmo, so the books would have been available for purchase there, but again, probably specifically in French bookstores/sections. I'd never heard of the Dan Cooper comics before reading up on this case, though we always had TinTins in the French classrooms (I was in elementary school in Canada in the 70s).  HOWEVER -

that Sky Chef matchbook. Did Tina Mucklow ever identify it as part of the airline service Sky Chef? Because there WAS an unconnected restaurant called Sky Chef in Toronto 1971. Their matchbook looked like this. (390 Bay would be right in the financial district of downtown):
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I have wondered if DBC passed through either Canada or Mexico to launder the money (if he retained it) abroad. It would be easier for it never to turn up again if circulated overseas. (I think it would be too risky to circulate it IN Canada or Mexico, though, as it could re-cross the border quite quickly.)  I simply don't believe every teller in the world was keeping an eye on US twenties for very long after the skyjack, particularly without the computer systems we have today. IF it was ever circulated, the bills would have long been destroyed by now, according to a little cursory research about the life span of circulated money. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Sky Chef. We know. Tina testified about it. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two.

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« Reply #275 on: January 06, 2018, 07:42:24 AM »
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I have wondered if DBC passed through either Canada or Mexico to launder the money (if he retained it) abroad. It would be easier for it never to turn up again if circulated overseas. (I think it would be too risky to circulate it IN Canada or Mexico, though, as it could re-cross the border quite quickly.)  I simply don't believe every teller in the world was keeping an eye on US twenties for very long after the skyjack, particularly without the computer systems we have today. IF it was ever circulated, the bills would have long been destroyed by now, according to a little cursory research about the life span of circulated money.

The FBI themselves have admitted the bills would of been hard to detect..the main purpose would of been geared towards evidence in court if Cooper was ever caught. I doubt anyone checked those bills in most states nationwide..I believe the treasury department only looks for counterfeit bills...
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« Reply #276 on: January 07, 2018, 04:57:34 PM »
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Timet is interesting because they had a titanium plant in Toronto, Canada where Dan Cooper comicbooks would have been known.  They didn't have a connection to the PNW, but there was a lot of movement of employees in the field, so someone associated with Timet in Toronto could have moved to the PNW and lost his job as a result of the SST cancellation in 1971.    The Concorde SST was being developed in France and the UK and when the Boeing SST was cancelled, many companies that had been involved with Boeing went to France in Fall 1971 to get contracts for parts.  One of those companies was Zirtech, out of Albany, OR. Zirtech was in financial trouble in 1971 and wound up selling 200,000 shares of it's stock to KBI for $200,000 ($1 per share) which was a bargain.

Interesting. On the one hand, Toronto is not a particularly bilingual city - the Cooper comics (along with TinTin) would have been found mostly in Quebec, parts of Manitoba, and New Brunswick, as well as in French language classrooms in every province. Toronto's pretty cosmo, so the books would have been available for purchase there, but again, probably specifically in French bookstores/sections. I'd never heard of the Dan Cooper comics before reading up on this case, though we always had TinTins in the French classrooms (I was in elementary school in Canada in the 70s).  HOWEVER -

that Sky Chef matchbook. Did Tina Mucklow ever identify it as part of the airline service Sky Chef? Because there WAS an unconnected restaurant called Sky Chef in Toronto 1971. Their matchbook looked like this. (390 Bay would be right in the financial district of downtown):
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I have wondered if DBC passed through either Canada or Mexico to launder the money (if he retained it) abroad. It would be easier for it never to turn up again if circulated overseas. (I think it would be too risky to circulate it IN Canada or Mexico, though, as it could re-cross the border quite quickly.)  I simply don't believe every teller in the world was keeping an eye on US twenties for very long after the skyjack, particularly without the computer systems we have today. IF it was ever circulated, the bills would have long been destroyed by now, according to a little cursory research about the life span of circulated money. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Sky Chef. We know. Tina testified about it. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two.

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Thank you (for sending me back to that den of Jos and Blevinses, lol.) I have taken a look, but have only found reference to Sky Chef the catering service and their affiliated restaurants, mainly at airports, and matchbooks, not to the seemingly unaffiliated Sky Chef restaurant in Toronto.

I certainly would never suggest you didn't know about the Sky Chef matchbook; it's in Tina's witness statement. I would assume anyone on here would have at least read the witness statements as released. The question I had is whether she recognized it as part of the airline food service company Sky Chef, or if it merely SAID Sky Chef - I am not finding that detail in her interviews as released, and am wondering if she has been asked about this at any other time. I do know she has allowed interviews rarely compared to others in the case (and I can certainly understand why she would feel that way; I probably would myself. Most sane people don't enjoy revisiting their traumas once they've moved past them).

Again, the Sky Chef restaurant in Toronto does not APPEAR to have been related to the airline food company, though it's a fairly odd name for a restaurant - I don't know if it might have been elevated as I have ONLY seen reference to it when I found the matchbook cover on a Google search (restaurants come and go). The airline catering service's matchbook cover was quite different, though it was also blue:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The one from the Toronto restaurant is far less sleek and corporate-looking. It's a photo on one side, and what looks like a hand-drawn image on the other. Again, the restaurant was in the heart of the downtown biz district, nowhere near the airport.  I'll try to find out more about the restaurant if I can, at least to see if it was affiliated in any way, if not online then the next time I'm in Toronto -
 my bro lives there. (Of course, the needle in haystack part comes in when you wonder if any other cities had restos/bars with similar names, also unaffiliated to the catering company).
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Timet is interesting because they had a titanium plant in Toronto, Canada where Dan Cooper comicbooks would have been known.  They didn't have a connection to the PNW, but there was a lot of movement of employees in the field, so someone associated with Timet in Toronto could have moved to the PNW and lost his job as a result of the SST cancellation in 1971.    The Concorde SST was being developed in France and the UK and when the Boeing SST was cancelled, many companies that had been involved with Boeing went to France in Fall 1971 to get contracts for parts.  One of those companies was Zirtech, out of Albany, OR. Zirtech was in financial trouble in 1971 and wound up selling 200,000 shares of it's stock to KBI for $200,000 ($1 per share) which was a bargain.

Interesting. On the one hand, Toronto is not a particularly bilingual city - the Cooper comics (along with TinTin) would have been found mostly in Quebec, parts of Manitoba, and New Brunswick, as well as in French language classrooms in every province. Toronto's pretty cosmo, so the books would have been available for purchase there, but again, probably specifically in French bookstores/sections. I'd never heard of the Dan Cooper comics before reading up on this case, though we always had TinTins in the French classrooms (I was in elementary school in Canada in the 70s).  HOWEVER -

that Sky Chef matchbook. Did Tina Mucklow ever identify it as part of the airline service Sky Chef? Because there WAS an unconnected restaurant called Sky Chef in Toronto 1971. Their matchbook looked like this. (390 Bay would be right in the financial district of downtown):
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I have wondered if DBC passed through either Canada or Mexico to launder the money (if he retained it) abroad. It would be easier for it never to turn up again if circulated overseas. (I think it would be too risky to circulate it IN Canada or Mexico, though, as it could re-cross the border quite quickly.)  I simply don't believe every teller in the world was keeping an eye on US twenties for very long after the skyjack, particularly without the computer systems we have today. IF it was ever circulated, the bills would have long been destroyed by now, according to a little cursory research about the life span of circulated money. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Sky Chef. We know. Tina testified about it. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two.

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Thank you (for sending me back to that den of Jos and Blevinses, lol.) I have taken a look, but have only found reference to Sky Chef the catering service and their affiliated restaurants, mainly at airports, and matchbooks, not to the seemingly unaffiliated Sky Chef restaurant in Toronto.

I certainly would never suggest you didn't know about the Sky Chef matchbook; it's in Tina's witness statement. I would assume anyone on here would have at least read the witness statements as released. The question I had is whether she recognized it as part of the airline food service company Sky Chef, or if it merely SAID Sky Chef - I am not finding that detail in her interviews as released, and am wondering if she has been asked about this at any other time. I do know she has allowed interviews rarely compared to others in the case (and I can certainly understand why she would feel that way; I probably would myself. Most sane people don't enjoy revisiting their traumas once they've moved past them).

Again, the Sky Chef restaurant in Toronto does not APPEAR to have been related to the airline food company, though it's a fairly odd name for a restaurant - I don't know if it might have been elevated as I have ONLY seen reference to it when I found the matchbook cover on a Google search (restaurants come and go). The airline catering service's matchbook cover was quite different, though it was also blue:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The one from the Toronto restaurant is far less sleek and corporate-looking. It's a photo on one side, and what looks like a hand-drawn image on the other. Again, the restaurant was in the heart of the downtown biz district, nowhere near the airport.  I'll try to find out more about the restaurant if I can, at least to see if it was affiliated in any way, if not online then the next time I'm in Toronto -
 my bro lives there. (Of course, the needle in haystack part comes in when you wonder if any other cities had restos/bars with similar names, also unaffiliated to the catering company).
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well, if anything could be tied to Toronto, that would be new.   :)
 

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« Reply #278 on: January 07, 2018, 05:24:55 PM »
From time-to-time I dream of starting a Tour Company that jaunts through Cooper World, visiting all the hot spots like Tina Bar and the Fazio Ranch. But also all the pubs and restaurants that have a Norjak connection - like the DB Cooper tavern in Salt Lake City (McCoy Country), or DB Cooper Ale brewery in Portland. Why not put the Sky Chef resto in Toronto on the list!
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Timet is interesting because they had a titanium plant in Toronto, Canada where Dan Cooper comicbooks would have been known.  They didn't have a connection to the PNW, but there was a lot of movement of employees in the field, so someone associated with Timet in Toronto could have moved to the PNW and lost his job as a result of the SST cancellation in 1971.    The Concorde SST was being developed in France and the UK and when the Boeing SST was cancelled, many companies that had been involved with Boeing went to France in Fall 1971 to get contracts for parts.  One of those companies was Zirtech, out of Albany, OR. Zirtech was in financial trouble in 1971 and wound up selling 200,000 shares of it's stock to KBI for $200,000 ($1 per share) which was a bargain.

Interesting. On the one hand, Toronto is not a particularly bilingual city - the Cooper comics (along with TinTin) would have been found mostly in Quebec, parts of Manitoba, and New Brunswick, as well as in French language classrooms in every province. Toronto's pretty cosmo, so the books would have been available for purchase there, but again, probably specifically in French bookstores/sections. I'd never heard of the Dan Cooper comics before reading up on this case, though we always had TinTins in the French classrooms (I was in elementary school in Canada in the 70s).  HOWEVER -

that Sky Chef matchbook. Did Tina Mucklow ever identify it as part of the airline service Sky Chef? Because there WAS an unconnected restaurant called Sky Chef in Toronto 1971. Their matchbook looked like this. (390 Bay would be right in the financial district of downtown):
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I have wondered if DBC passed through either Canada or Mexico to launder the money (if he retained it) abroad. It would be easier for it never to turn up again if circulated overseas. (I think it would be too risky to circulate it IN Canada or Mexico, though, as it could re-cross the border quite quickly.)  I simply don't believe every teller in the world was keeping an eye on US twenties for very long after the skyjack, particularly without the computer systems we have today. IF it was ever circulated, the bills would have long been destroyed by now, according to a little cursory research about the life span of circulated money. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Sky Chef. We know. Tina testified about it. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two.

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Thank you (for sending me back to that den of Jos and Blevinses, lol.) I have taken a look, but have only found reference to Sky Chef the catering service and their affiliated restaurants, mainly at airports, and matchbooks, not to the seemingly unaffiliated Sky Chef restaurant in Toronto.

I certainly would never suggest you didn't know about the Sky Chef matchbook; it's in Tina's witness statement. I would assume anyone on here would have at least read the witness statements as released. The question I had is whether she recognized it as part of the airline food service company Sky Chef, or if it merely SAID Sky Chef - I am not finding that detail in her interviews as released, and am wondering if she has been asked about this at any other time. I do know she has allowed interviews rarely compared to others in the case (and I can certainly understand why she would feel that way; I probably would myself. Most sane people don't enjoy revisiting their traumas once they've moved past them).

Again, the Sky Chef restaurant in Toronto does not APPEAR to have been related to the airline food company, though it's a fairly odd name for a restaurant - I don't know if it might have been elevated as I have ONLY seen reference to it when I found the matchbook cover on a Google search (restaurants come and go). The airline catering service's matchbook cover was quite different, though it was also blue:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The one from the Toronto restaurant is far less sleek and corporate-looking. It's a photo on one side, and what looks like a hand-drawn image on the other. Again, the restaurant was in the heart of the downtown biz district, nowhere near the airport.  I'll try to find out more about the restaurant if I can, at least to see if it was affiliated in any way, if not online then the next time I'm in Toronto -
 my bro lives there. (Of course, the needle in haystack part comes in when you wonder if any other cities had restos/bars with similar names, also unaffiliated to the catering company).
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well, if anything could be tied to Toronto, that would be new.   :)
Haha, well, I was thinking more in terms of whether the guy might have been a frequent flyer throughout North America and have passed through. Plus someone else mentioned the comic book angle, though the mention of a Dan Cooper in the TV show Sarge reminds me I saw another Dan Cooper in I think an old episode of Cannon. It was a beautifully common name, and a good alias at least.

Believe me, Toronto would be THRILLED if DB passed through there, and would have a parade if he was a resident. The city is traditionally known as Toronto the Good and is mocked by the rest of the country for its cosmopolitan staidness. Toronto could use herself a bad boy.  ;D
 

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Believe me, Toronto would be THRILLED if DB passed through there, and would have a parade if he was a resident. The city is traditionally known as Toronto the Good and is mocked by the rest of the country for its cosmopolitan staidness. Toronto could use herself a bad boy.  ;D


I understand that Toronto's famously bad boy mayor, Rob Ford, I believe, has passed away. He was a coke addict during his tenure, if I recall. My condolences.
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« Reply #281 on: January 07, 2018, 05:29:59 PM »
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Believe me, Toronto would be THRILLED if DB passed through there, and would have a parade if he was a resident. The city is traditionally known as Toronto the Good and is mocked by the rest of the country for its cosmopolitan staidness. Toronto could use herself a bad boy.  ;D

Do not even get me started. His brother's still around. But there's a difference between a bad boy and a crackhead. May he rest in peace.  >:D

I understand that Toronto's famously bad boy mayor, Rob Ford, I believe, has passed away. He was a coke addict during his tenure, if I recall. My condolences.
 

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« Reply #282 on: January 07, 2018, 05:34:32 PM »
So touchy, Lynn.

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So touchy, Lynn.

Smile.

Haha, not my monkey, not my zoo. I live in the Hammer.
 

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« Reply #284 on: January 07, 2018, 05:52:37 PM »
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So touchy, Lynn.

Smile.

Haha, not my monkey, not my zoo. I live in the Hammer.
But please do add Sky Chef Toronto to the list. My budget doesn't currently permit me to travel to the other places, and would love to meet some of you fellow DBC fanatics!