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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2019, 01:55:22 PM »
Coopercon 2019 was a blast. Great venue in a restored Art Deco movie theater. Lively presentations and audience dialog. The evening brew pub gatherings were just wonderful. Warm camaraderie and spirited dialogue. Those evening gatherings just keep getting better and better.

Really enjoyed meeting Darren and his lovely wife. Darren has proven to be a valuable addition to the Vortex populace. His podcasts are great and his Coopercon summary presentation of all the suspects was crisp and articulate.

Also enjoyed meeting Nicky, Bill Rollins and a number of audience members who know a lot about the case but never post online. Nicky found a possible source of Yttrium in welding rods. I don’t think
welders wear ties while welding but it could possibly have been transferred from other garb to a tie.

Bruce and I respectfully sparred on the utility of remote viewing as an investigative tool.

I can’t wait for the next Coopercon.

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2019, 02:28:02 PM »
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And by the way before you get too warm, fuzzy and protective of a suspect remember that the crew was terrorized by a credible bomb threat. I am sure they worried that Cooper would arrange for detonation just after his exit to destroy all physical evidence and possible eyewitness testimony.

Cooper deserves no adulation or kid glove treatment just because he is “nice” today. He wasn’t nice when he made a bomb threat.

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In fact, information was passed to the flight crew that the FAA Chief Psychologist had predicted that Cooper would take a hostage with him when he jumped (this would be Tina) and that he would blow up the aircraft when jumping.  Consequently, the flight crew had suggested that they get above the overcast and then fly out over the Pacific Ocean while the situation played out so as to avoid danger to people on the ground.

Rataczak wasn't joking when he said the flight crew expected to hear a big "boom" when Cooper jumped.
 

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2019, 02:32:02 PM »
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Catherine told me her dad told her Tinas eyes got big when the money came on board and cooper offered her some. She had to decline and said no no no we can’t do that. That confirms the reports that cooper offered Tina some of the loot which to me begs the question if you were risking your life essentially for this money then why such a cavalier attitude about money? Why be so willing to give some away? To me this gives credence to the notion that it wasn’t about the money for cooper. The conference was a great success and I really enjoyed myself, kudos again to EU for making this happen.

Captain Scott could not have had first hand knowledge of what happed to Tina's eyes when she gave the money bag to Cooper.  No one in the flight crew saw Cooper at any time during the entire hijacking. 
 

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2019, 02:36:18 PM »
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David,

Before you jump off the deep end, you need to keep in mind that reportedly 900+ people have claimed to be DB Cooper and not a single one of them checked out.  And it is highly unlikely that your suspect will check out either.  So I hope you will not be offended if no one on this thread accepts the claims of your suspect at face value.

But you and your suspect are free to make whatever claims you want.  Any claims will vigorously reviewed by people on this site.

Absolutely. I agree.  I'm a professional engineer and I'm naturally a skeptic, including of myself.

My story ties in well with the titanium, which to be honest is the only hard evidence and the rest being anecdotal.  But the anecdotal fits quite well and there is a bunch of it.
 

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2019, 02:38:37 PM »
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I think there is little risk of a successful prosecution. The FBI’s loss of the cigarette butts provides good grounds for a dismissal motion based on spoliation of evidence. I wouldn’t worry about going public with your findings.

I thought they had his DNA.  If they get a match, would that not be a sure conviction?
 

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2019, 02:43:19 PM »
If I'm going to tell my story, my preference would be to have a 1 on 1 call with Bruce Smith.  He can filter my story for us.  If he calls BS and concludes it's unlikely, then I'd rather not post the story, so as not to publicly name people.  If he thinks the odds are solid and realistic, then I would post the whole story here.  Sound fair?  1/2 hour call is all I need.
 

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #51 on: November 25, 2019, 02:54:06 PM »
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If I'm going to tell my story, my preference would be to have a 1 on 1 call with Bruce Smith.  He can filter my story for us.  If he calls BS and concludes it's unlikely, then I'd rather not post the story, so as not to publicly name people.  If he thinks the odds are solid and realistic, then I would post the whole story here.  Sound fair?  1/2 hour call is all I need.

Tell it in: Suspects And Confessions ... that is the thread for Suspects and Confessions.

You are posting in the Cooper Con thread!

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2019, 03:12:54 PM »
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Catherine told me her dad told her Tinas eyes got big when the money came on board and cooper offered her some. She had to decline and said no no no we can’t do that. That confirms the reports that cooper offered Tina some of the loot which to me begs the question if you were risking your life essentially for this money then why such a cavalier attitude about money? Why be so willing to give some away? To me this gives credence to the notion that it wasn’t about the money for cooper. The conference was a great success and I really enjoyed myself, kudos again to EU for making this happen.

Captain Scott could not have had first hand knowledge of what happed to Tina's eyes when she gave the money bag to Cooper.  No one in the flight crew saw Cooper at any time during the entire hijacking.

He didn’t witness it obviously but he did have to opportunity to speak to Tina after the incident and hear it straight from her. Anyway that’s what she told me and it backs up the other reports of cooper offering Tina some of the loot.
 

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2019, 03:17:18 PM »
I concur that CooperCon was a lot of fun, very successful, and much improved this year. In part, because food and drinks were on hand.

Also, getting the opportunity to speak with Catherine Scott and see her dad's captain's hat on the artifact table was very cool. She has committed to coming out to the 50th Anniversary CooperCon in 2021.

We were all very fortunate that Catherine's significant other was also on hand and that he is a captain for American Airlines. Moreover, he has flown the 727 extensively during his career. We actually pulled him on stage to answer some questions from those in attendance. He will be back as well for the 50th with Catherine.

Darren, Mark, Bruce and Tom Kaye's 2018 re-play talk were all very well done. Additionally, the panel session which involved the aforementioned along with Vern Jones, Bill Rollins and myself, along with the audience, was very cool too.

I couldn't agree more with 377 about the evening get-togethers. We had a lot of people show up, and frankly they kept coming. Not only was there talk about DBC, there was also talk about other stuff too, and a resounding rendition of Bruce's new DBC song that he sang live, guitar in-hand, with about a dozen half inebriated CooperCon attendees. All said, a lot of fun.
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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2019, 04:40:14 PM »
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Coopercon 2019 was a blast. Great venue in a restored Art Deco movie theater. Lively presentations and audience dialog. The evening brew pub gatherings were just wonderful. Warm camaraderie and spirited dialogue. Those evening gatherings just keep getting better and better.

Really enjoyed meeting Darren and his lovely wife. Darren has proven to be a valuable addition to the Vortex populace. His podcasts are great and his Coopercon summary presentation of all the suspects was crisp and articulate.

Also enjoyed meeting Nicky, Bill Rollins and a number of audience members who know a lot about the case but never post online. Nicky found a possible source of Yttrium in welding rods. I don’t think
welders wear ties while welding but it could possibly have been transferred from other garb to a tie.

Bruce and I respectfully sparred on the utility of remote viewing as an investigative tool.

I can’t wait for the next Coopercon.

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I couldn’t agree more Mark and it was an honor and a pleasure meeting you. You have been a mainstay in this community longer then just about everybody. A welder wouldn’t be wearing a tie but a manager or engineer overseeing the work would. Yttrium is used in tungsten electrode filler rods/wire used in fusion welding processes. The material found in the electrodes end up in the welding fumes. There are different  types of TIG welding rods and there identified by the color of there tip there is the rare earth blend (grey), yttrium (blue), pure tungsten (green), lanthanated (gold), Ceriated (orange), thoriated (red),and zirconiated (brown.)Yttrium, lanthanum, zirconium, and cerium which are used in these tungsten electrodes were all found on the mccrones lab report. The yttrium electrodes are primarily used in aviation. I learned commercial pure ti filler metal rods/wire are also used. I have a government document on the Boeing SST that says they used cp ti rods/wire for there welding processes on the SST. It also names the different manufacturers they used for there cp ti rods, one of them being RMI who used the hunter process to manufacture there cp ti, the hunter process used salt not your regular ole table salt but a rare/unusual type of salt which was only found in this ti making process, Kaye compared the salts on the tie to the ones from RMI and found them to be very close. Welding fumes also contain a host of metals some being very toxic (Cr), cobalt (Co), copper (Cu), iron (Fe), lead (Pb), mercury (Hg), molybdenum (Mo), nickel (Ni), zinc (Zn), antimony (Sb), cadmium (Cd), and vanadium (V) all of which were also found on the mccrones lab report. Kaye didn’t have an answer for how these toxic elements ended up on cooper tie...well I came up with a good one with welding fumes.


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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2019, 05:04:54 PM »
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I concur that CooperCon was a lot of fun, very successful, and much improved this year. In part, because food and drinks were on hand.

Also, getting the opportunity to speak with Catherine Scott and see her dad's captain's hat on the artifact table was very cool. She has committed to coming out to the 50th Anniversary CooperCon in 2021.

We were all very fortunate that Catherine's significant other was also on hand and that he is a captain for American Airlines. Moreover, he has flown the 727 extensively during his career. We actually pulled him on stage to answer some questions from those in attendance. He will be back as well for the 50th with Catherine.

Darren, Mark, Bruce and Tom Kaye's 2018 re-play talk were all very well done. Additionally, the panel session which involved the aforementioned along with Vern Jones, Bill Rollins and myself, along with the audience, was very cool too.

I couldn't agree more with 377 about the evening get-togethers. We had a lot of people show up, and frankly they kept coming. Not only was there talk about DBC, there was also talk about other stuff too, and a resounding rendition of Bruce's new DBC song that he sang live, guitar in-hand, with about a dozen half inebriated CooperCon attendees. All said, a lot of fun.

Gavin was a great resource. What he said about being able to see a glow from the lights of Portland is one of the great little nuggets I took away from this weekend. I got a video of the performance Eric, I will upload it to YouTube and post it here.
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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2019, 08:09:21 PM »
What kind of welder are you talking about?

rods/wire for there welding processes

sounds like a stick and tig welders
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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2019, 08:51:32 PM »
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What kind of welder are you talking about?

rods/wire for there welding processes

sounds like a stick and tig welders

All forms  of fusion welding (heat only) use electrodes...TIG is one form of fusion welding.
 

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2019, 09:01:46 PM »
Tig uses gas a hardly any smoke....have you ever welded or worked in a shop? you don't seem to have a clue how things work. especially, in a large warehouse...
 

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2019, 09:05:40 PM »
BTW Shutter, did the placard arrive?
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