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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2019, 10:21:34 AM »
Hello all. Haven't been on hear in a while but wanted to wish everyone who's going to Copper Con a safe and wonderful time.
 
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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2019, 10:34:50 AM »
CooperCon was great. I’ve linked an article about the event below. BTW, today is the 48th Anniversary of the skyjacking.

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« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2019, 11:22:09 AM »
I've posted a few pictures from CooperCon at the following link:

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2019, 02:40:53 PM »
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What did Catherine Scott have to say?
 

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2019, 04:40:09 PM »
I'm glad to see the event was a success. all of Roberts efforts paid off as usual....zero.  :rofl:
 
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« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2019, 07:00:47 PM »
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What did Catherine Scott have to say?

I'm sure Bruce will write a comprehensive article about all the goings on at CooperCon.

That said, Catherine said a few notable things.

First, she brought up that her father mentioned that there was a debate between himself and Cooper about taking off with the airstairs down. Specifically, she said that Cooper demanded that the flight take-off from Seattle with the airstairs down but that her father told Cooper he would not attempt to take-off with the airstairs down, period. My impression was that this was a protracted discussion between Cooper and Scott, and that Scott laid down the law on this matter.

Second, she said that her father believed that Cooper likely died that night. Moreover, that the reason he believed this was because the conditions were poor and that there were plenty of hazards on the ground. I asked if he ever opined about Cooper's survivability after the money find in light of its relation to the FBI search zone and Catherine said no. She said her father rarely spoke about the skyjacking.

Finally, she stated that her father was a by-the-book kind of guy. His first priority was the safety of the crew and passengers. Additionally, that he never understood the fascination with Cooper by the public. In his mind, Cooper was a criminal plain and simple.
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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2019, 09:08:42 PM »
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Finally, she stated that her father was a by-the-book kind of guy. His first priority was the safety of the crew and passengers. Additionally, that he never understood the fascination with Cooper by the public. In his mind, Cooper was a criminal plain and simple

He sounds a lot like Ralph H. I had a feeling these guys were "by the book"...
 

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2019, 10:41:54 PM »
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I've posted a few pictures from CooperCon at the following link:

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What did Catherine Scott have to say?

I'm sure Bruce will write a comprehensive article about all the goings on at CooperCon.

That said, Catherine said a few notable things.

First, she brought up that her father mentioned that there was a debate between himself and Cooper about taking off with the airstairs down. Specifically, she said that Cooper demanded that the flight take-off from Seattle with the airstairs down but that her father told Cooper he would not attempt to take-off with the airstairs down, period. My impression was that this was a protracted discussion between Cooper and Scott, and that Scott laid down the law on this matter.

Second, she said that her father believed that Cooper likely died that night. Moreover, that the reason he believed this was because the conditions were poor and that there were plenty of hazards on the ground. I asked if he ever opined about Cooper's survivability after the money find in light of its relation to the FBI search zone and Catherine said no. She said her father rarely spoke about the skyjacking.

Finally, she stated that her father was a by-the-book kind of guy. His first priority was the safety of the crew and passengers. Additionally, that he never understood the fascination with Cooper by the public. In his mind, Cooper was a criminal plain and simple.

Did Catherine make any comments about the flight path?
 

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2019, 11:59:10 PM »
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What did Catherine Scott have to say?

I'm sure Bruce will write a comprehensive article about all the goings on at CooperCon.

That said, Catherine said a few notable things.

First, she brought up that her father mentioned that there was a debate between himself and Cooper about taking off with the airstairs down. Specifically, she said that Cooper demanded that the flight take-off from Seattle with the airstairs down but that her father told Cooper he would not attempt to take-off with the airstairs down, period. My impression was that this was a protracted discussion between Cooper and Scott, and that Scott laid down the law on this matter.

Second, she said that her father believed that Cooper likely died that night. Moreover, that the reason he believed this was because the conditions were poor and that there were plenty of hazards on the ground. I asked if he ever opined about Cooper's survivability after the money find in light of its relation to the FBI search zone and Catherine said no. She said her father rarely spoke about the skyjacking.

Finally, she stated that her father was a by-the-book kind of guy. His first priority was the safety of the crew and passengers. Additionally, that he never understood the fascination with Cooper by the public. In his mind, Cooper was a criminal plain and simple.

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'D.B. Cooper' pilot dies; William Scott never talked much about 1971 skyjacking
By Susan Gilmore

For 30 years, William "Scotty" Scott said little about the world's most famous skyjacking, shunning assorted authors and movie producers who came knocking at his door.

Mr. Scott piloted the Northwest Orient Airlines jet hijacked by the infamous "D.B. Cooper" on Thanksgiving Eve 1971. He died of prostate cancer Sunday at his home in Green Valley, Ariz., taking to the grave much of what he knew about that fateful night, said his wife, Frances.

"When he came home that night," she said, "he told his family about it, and that was the end of it. He was a very quiet man. Very reserved."

Only in recent years had he begun to talk about the skyjacking that perplexed the FBI and continues to rivet those who think Cooper may have survived the jump of 10,000 feet into the blackness of a storm over Southwest Washington.

Her husband was convinced Cooper died in the leap, said Frances Scott. "He felt he jumped into Lake Merwin (Cowlitz County) and got tangled up in dead trees and died," she said.

On the 25th anniversary of the heist, Mr. Scott spoke to a local pilots club; 200 people showed up, said his wife.

Mr. Scott was the captain of the Boeing 727 when a passenger under the name of Dan Cooper boarded in Portland for the short flight to Seattle. Midway, he passed a note to a flight attendant, saying he had a bomb and demanding $200,000.

When the plane landed in Seattle, the other passengers were evacuated, and the FBI gave the skyjacker the ransom money and the four parachutes he had requested.

Cooper then ordered the pilot to fly toward Mexico, but he jumped from the plane somewhere near the Columbia River. Despite years of searching, all that has been found is $5,800 unearthed along the north bank of the Columbia.

Mr. Scott never saw Cooper. "He was intent on flying the plane and being able to get people out of there alive and save the aircraft for Northwest," said his widow.

Little by little, she said, her husband had begun to talk about it the past few years. "It was good for him," she said. "In later years, he'd get mad at authors. Scotty would say, 'No, that's not the way it happened.' They weren't there; he was." Scott refused calls from Mr. Tosaw.
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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2019, 11:29:44 AM »
Hi, I just joined the forum and I came here because I have a lead.

But before I tell that story, I wanted to discuss the morality of chasing DB Cooper down.  I haven't heard much discussion from people around that issue.  My question is what are the ethics of turning in a 90+ year old guy that committed a crime almost 50 years ago with no serious victims? 

I have an interesting lead, but the people involved, including the suspect, were nice to me.  I think that would be the case for other people that are close to suspects.  I think most people here are chasing him down without a personal connection so many of you don't have that conflict.  I haven't gone to the FBI for that reason.
 

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2019, 11:43:31 AM »
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Hi, I just joined the forum and I came here because I have a lead.

But before I tell that story, I wanted to discuss the morality of chasing DB Cooper down.  I haven't heard much discussion from people around that issue.  My question is what are the ethics of turning in a 90+ year old guy that committed a crime almost 50 years ago with no serious victims? 

I have an interesting lead, but the people involved, including the suspect, were nice to me.  I think that would be the case for other people that are close to suspects.  I think most people here are chasing him down without a personal connection so many of you don't have that conflict.  I haven't gone to the FBI for that reason.

David,

Before you jump off the deep end, you need to keep in mind that reportedly 900+ people have claimed to be DB Cooper and not a single one of them checked out.  And it is highly unlikely that your suspect will check out either.  So I hope you will not be offended if no one on this thread accepts the claims of your suspect at face value.

But you and your suspect are free to make whatever claims you want.  Any claims will vigorously reviewed by people on this site.
 

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2019, 01:35:28 PM »
I think there is little risk of a successful prosecution. The FBI’s loss of the cigarette butts provides good grounds for a dismissal motion based on spoliation of evidence. I wouldn’t worry about going public with your findings.

The FBI allegedly has over 900 alleged confessions and probably 10x that number in “sure thing” tips. Not one arrest has been made.

Absent independent proof that a suspect was on the plane all confessions must be viewed with extreme skepticism.

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2019, 01:38:53 PM »
Catherine told me her dad told her Tinas eyes got big when the money came on board and cooper offered her some. She had to decline and said no no no we can’t do that. That confirms the reports that cooper offered Tina some of the loot which to me begs the question if you were risking your life essentially for this money then why such a cavalier attitude about money? Why be so willing to give some away? To me this gives credence to the notion that it wasn’t about the money for cooper. The conference was a great success and I really enjoyed myself, kudos again to EU for making this happen.
 
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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2019, 01:40:40 PM »
And by the way before you get too warm, fuzzy and protective of a suspect remember that the crew was terrorized by a credible bomb threat. I am sure they worried that Cooper would arrange for detonation just after his exit to destroy all physical evidence and possible eyewitness testimony.

Cooper deserves no adulation or kid glove treatment just because he is “nice” today. He wasn’t nice when he made a bomb threat.

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Re: 2019 Cooper
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2019, 01:41:29 PM »
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Hi, I just joined the forum and I came here because I have a lead.

But before I tell that story, I wanted to discuss the morality of chasing DB Cooper down.  I haven't heard much discussion from people around that issue.  My question is what are the ethics of turning in a 90+ year old guy that committed a crime almost 50 years ago with no serious victims? 

I have an interesting lead, but the people involved, including the suspect, were nice to me.  I think that would be the case for other people that are close to suspects.  I think most people here are chasing him down without a personal connection so many of you don't have that conflict.  I haven't gone to the FBI for that reason.

Welcome to the DBC David! What ya got?