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Title: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on August 29, 2018, 08:18:46 PM
EU, the floor is yours....
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Converence
Post by: EU on August 29, 2018, 08:34:54 PM
I thought it'd be great if we could get the Cooper Community together for another event similar to the 2011 DB Cooper Symposium. I'm organizing the 2018 D.B. Cooper Conference as we speak. I'm waiting for approval from the Board of the Portland Yacht Club to host the event there. I do not anticipate an issue.

If all goes as planned the event will take place on Saturday, November 24th--the 47th Anniversary of the hijacking. The event will run from 11 AM - 5 PM.

The event will be FREE of charge.

I'll be certain to update the Forum regularly. Also, information will be posted on the website http://DBCooperCon.com .
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on August 29, 2018, 08:37:13 PM
don't hesitate to ask for any help on this end...I can pitch in the best I can given the location of where I live...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on August 29, 2018, 08:38:18 PM
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don't hesitate to ask for any help on this end...I can pitch in the best I can given the location of where I live...

Will do. Thanks.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: andrade1812 on August 29, 2018, 08:56:06 PM
Hmmmm.....
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 30, 2018, 02:06:16 AM
What will be the focus of the conference, EU? Topics that you would like to see covered? Themes explored?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on August 30, 2018, 10:06:59 AM
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What will be the focus of the conference, EU? Topics that you would like to see covered? Themes explored?

I'm open to suggestions that anyone may have.

That said, I think the following topics would be of interest:


I think providing for audience engagement would be nice as well.

Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 30, 2018, 05:36:38 PM
Looks good.

I hope you can get Tina and Bill Mitchell to attend and present.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on August 30, 2018, 05:49:06 PM
I doubt Tina wants any part of anything that has to do with DB Cooper...Mitchell will probably be a fight too?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on August 30, 2018, 09:47:27 PM
I think someone with a video camera should get most of the conference on video to release on You Tube?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on August 30, 2018, 09:55:07 PM
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I think someone with a video camera should get most of the conference on video to release on You Tube?

I like that idea.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on August 30, 2018, 11:32:27 PM
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I think someone with a video camera should get most of the conference on video to release on You Tube?

I like that idea.

Great idea!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 31, 2018, 02:30:09 AM
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I doubt Tina wants any part of anything that has to do with DB Cooper...Mitchell will probably be a fight too?

Both appeared on the History Channel docu. SO - I hope they can be persuaded to come.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on August 31, 2018, 07:36:27 AM
Mitchell would be the only one of the two that would consider showing up to something like this..I don't see Tina wanting to get involved..

any of the passengers live in the area?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on August 31, 2018, 07:53:14 AM
I will reach out to Tina and Bill. I don't expect that they'll be interested, but, you never know.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: FLYJACK on August 31, 2018, 09:05:27 AM
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I will reach out to Tina and Bill. I don't expect that they'll be interested, but, you never know.

I have a few pics they need to look at...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: MarkBennett on August 31, 2018, 02:06:12 PM
Invite Tom Colbert, too.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on August 31, 2018, 02:59:48 PM
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Invite Tom Colbert, too.

Colbert texted me last night and mentioned that he will not be in the area on the 24th therefore will not be at the conference. He also mentioned that his team has disbanded which I didn't know. I did ask him to let me know if something changes with his schedule.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on August 31, 2018, 03:04:54 PM
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Invite Tom Colbert, too.

Colbert texted me last night and mentioned that he will not be in the area on the 24th therefore will not be at the conference. He also mentioned that his team has disbanded which I didn't know. I did ask him to let me know if something changes with his schedule.
 

That said, Tom Kaye will be there and will speak to the particles found in 2008 and 2017.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 31, 2018, 04:41:35 PM
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Invite Tom Colbert, too.

Colbert texted me last night and mentioned that he will not be in the area on the 24th therefore will not be at the conference. He also mentioned that his team has disbanded which I didn't know. I did ask him to let me know if something changes with his schedule.
 

That said, Tom Kaye will be there and will speak to the particles found in 2008 and 2017.

Excellent. That is very good news.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 31, 2018, 04:42:37 PM
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Invite Tom Colbert, too.

Colbert texted me last night and mentioned that he will not be in the area on the 24th therefore will not be at the conference. He also mentioned that his team has disbanded which I didn't know. I did ask him to let me know if something changes with his schedule.

I'm surprised. I wonder if his faith in Airborne Bob has been deflated.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 31, 2018, 04:44:07 PM
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I will reach out to Tina and Bill. I don't expect that they'll be interested, but, you never know.

I have a few pics they need to look at...

I hope you will be able to show them your pix in person at the symposium, Fly. Will you be attending?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on August 31, 2018, 05:49:54 PM
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Invite Tom Colbert, too.

Colbert texted me last night and mentioned that he will not be in the area on the 24th therefore will not be at the conference. He also mentioned that his team has disbanded which I didn't know. I did ask him to let me know if something changes with his schedule.

I'm surprised. I wonder if his faith in Airborne Bob has been deflated.

he told me about this several months ago...they have basically done everything that can be done as a team investigation wise..
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: FLYJACK on September 01, 2018, 11:54:44 AM
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I will reach out to Tina and Bill. I don't expect that they'll be interested, but, you never know.

I have a few pics they need to look at...

I hope you will be able to show them your pix in person at the symposium, Fly. Will you be attending?

Doubtful, a family member has to start Cancer treatment but if any eye witnesses are showing up I'll forward the pics to you...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on September 03, 2018, 05:11:24 AM
https://www.bakercityherald.com/csp/mediapool/sites/BakerCityHerald/LocalNews/story.csp?cid=4146799&sid=818&fid=151

I hope JT shows up. I had a great time debating Jerry regarding Cooper’s chances of surviving the jump. These debates took place one to one between symposium presentations. It was fun. Jerry could he pretty confrontational and harsh online but in person he was a cordial respectful gentleman. We both were qualified to opine and we differed 180 degrees on our conclusion. Jerry, a military jumper and survival trainer, said it would have taken a miracle for Cooper to have survived the jump. I saw things very differently.

Hey, let’s invite Amazon too.

Bradley Collins book is full of fact errors but his Dad Jack still is a possible candidate. Grifter, skydiver and the brother of an NWA 727 Capt. Decent resemblance to the sketches too. Bradley claims Jack was investigated by the FBI but I’ve not yet seen any FBI docs that confirm it.

What would forum folks like me to present? A rerun of my parachute talk and demo might be kinda old. Any suggestions welcome. I could talk about my jet jump, legal issues or other topics.

This mention of a radio possibly being provided to Cooper really fascinates me but I will
resist temptation and not start on a “what if” radio hypothetical.

I made 2 radio jumps last week. 31 contacts on the first and 28 on the second which was made from an exit altitude of 16,000 ft. Longest distance contact was about 100 miles, K6LEW in Carmel CA. Used a 3 watt VHF FM walkie talkie.

377


Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: FLYJACK on September 03, 2018, 10:01:20 AM
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https://www.bakercityherald.com/csp/mediapool/sites/BakerCityHerald/LocalNews/story.csp?cid=4146799&sid=818&fid=151

I hope JT shows up. I had a great time debating Jerry regarding Cooper’s chances of surviving the jump. These debates took place one to one between symposium presentations. It was fun. Jerry could he pretty confrontational and harsh online but in person he was a cordial respectful gentleman. We both were qualified to opine and we differed 180 degrees on our conclusion. Jerry, a military jumper and survival trainer, said it would have taken a miracle for Cooper to have survived the jump. I saw things very differently.

Hey, let’s invite Amazon too.

Bradley Collins book is full of fact errors but his Dad Jack still is a possible candidate. Grifter, skydiver and the brother of an NWA 727 Capt. Decent resemblance to the sketches too. Bradley claims Jack was investigated by the FBI but I’ve not yet seen any FBI docs that confirm it.

What would forum folks like me to present? A rerun of my parachute talk and demo might be kinda old. Any suggestions welcome. I could talk about my jet jump, legal issues or other topics.

This mention of a radio possibly being provided to Cooper really fascinates me but I will
resist temptation and not start on a “what if” radio hypothetical.

I made 2 radio jumps last week. 31 contacts on the first and 28 on the second which was made from an exit altitude of 16,000 ft. Longest distance contact was about 100 miles, K6LEW in Carmel CA. Used a 3 watt VHF FM walkie talkie.

377

Money at Tina Bar indicates it came from the River.  The money bag was securely tied to Cooper.  Soooo.... it's a clear possibility Cooper was (and is) in the River.  If so, he could not have survived.  The remainder of the money and bag and what's left of Cooper and the parachute(s) are still in the River.  Let's go find it!

Meyer

Not if the 3 packets were rubber banded as one bundle... game changer, dude.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 03, 2018, 11:54:18 AM
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The 2011 Symposium was a smashing success because of Geoffrey Gray.  He was peddling  his book on the cable book channels...he read passages from his book and explained a lot of things, on TV, lots of coverage, then he announced he was putting together a symposium where so many of the key players would be in attendance.  Well, that happened. He got Brian Ingram there, 377, Jerry Thomas, Twisty Butt, Santa Claus and on and on.

Without someone peddling a book or having some kind of "hook," I seriously doubt you will get a good turnout.  I think it would be great if Georger and R99 presented and summarized the quality research they have done for so many years.  The only hook I can think of is someone here willing to peddle their wares on TV and really promote the symposium, like Gray did.  Also, Josh Gates might be a great ally here and give us some press.  Try inviting him, he just might show up....

And it shouldn't be a repeat of 2011, the new stuff and new people need to be given time.  Invite Shutter to demo his simulation and talk about the forum here....invite Ralph H......maybe it's time for EU and Bruce Smith to kick things up a notch, go public, peddle their books, then really promote the seminar.  Smith has done the YouTube videos, they're quite good, he breaks things down in an understandable manner (take some lessons FLY) and showcases his knowledge.  Maybe start there, there's not much time to get 'er done.  IMO, a kicker is sorely needed.

Meyer

It's all about making certain that people have a good time. People will enjoy the conference if the info presented is credible and informative and provides for audience engagement and feedback. Tom Kaye, in particular, expressed to me that he is very interested in having the opportunity to more thoroughly address the particles and rare earth elements. The FBI closing the case in '16 will also be an interesting subject to discuss. The fact that the 50th Anniversary is fast approaching will also be noteworthy.

Personally, I really like the idea of a panel discussion that provides for a more free-flow format. I appreciate a more off-the-cuff and organic discussion.

All of this said, I think getting together the night before for food, drinks and conversation is sure to be a blast. It'll be interesting to discuss these issues face-to-face versus over the Internet.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 03, 2018, 06:24:22 PM
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https://www.bakercityherald.com/csp/mediapool/sites/BakerCityHerald/LocalNews/story.csp?cid=4146799&sid=818&fid=151

I hope JT shows up. I had a great time debating Jerry regarding Cooper’s chances of surviving the jump. These debates took place one to one between symposium presentations. It was fun. Jerry could he pretty confrontational and harsh online but in person he was a cordial respectful gentleman. We both were qualified to opine and we differed 180 degrees on our conclusion. Jerry, a military jumper and survival trainer, said it would have taken a miracle for Cooper to have survived the jump. I saw things very differently.

Hey, let’s invite Amazon too.

Bradley Collins book is full of fact errors but his Dad Jack still is a possible candidate. Grifter, skydiver and the brother of an NWA 727 Capt. Decent resemblance to the sketches too. Bradley claims Jack was investigated by the FBI but I’ve not yet seen any FBI docs that confirm it.

What would forum folks like me to present? A rerun of my parachute talk and demo might be kinda old. Any suggestions welcome. I could talk about my jet jump, legal issues or other topics.

This mention of a radio possibly being provided to Cooper really fascinates me but I will
resist temptation and not start on a “what if” radio hypothetical.

I made 2 radio jumps last week. 31 contacts on the first and 28 on the second which was made from an exit altitude of 16,000 ft. Longest distance contact was about 100 miles, K6LEW in Carmel CA. Used a 3 watt VHF FM walkie talkie.

377

I agree, 377, that the goal for us should be to keep the conference fresh, current, and solid. On the parachute issue, ownership continues to be a Big Bugaboo. Perhaps we could sort that out a bit.

Also, I think it would be refreshing to have Ralph Hadley come up from Eagle Creek, OR. He knew Cossey and is a firm believer that the jump was doable. Plus, he's a skydiving champion. Perhaps a tandem presentation?

As for Bradley, he is pretty iffy as a public speaker. Remember, in 2013 he walked out of my interview because I pressed him too hard. He has near-zero tolerance of not being believed. Further, his more comprehensive story - and that of his 727 flying uncle - is quite dramatic. The 727 pilot committed suicide in Bradley's home and Brad discovered the body. Maybe Brad is ready to share all of this in a public forum. But it's a stretch.

Overall, I think we need a full presentation on all of the events since 2013, especially an analysis of the FBI closing the case, the arrival and swan song, apparently, of Tom Colbert and Airborne Bob, and the Reca-Wrecka Express. Plus, the 20 minutes of HC screen time Tina graced us with. I understand that she went out to dinner with the LMNO crew afterwards and "had a good time," according to PA Allison Berg.

I also would love to see an analysis of all the benefits and insights that have been established here on the Forum. This place, despite the Flame Wars that erupt every-other-week, is a valuable site for discovery and deposition. The Vault collection here is ten times more valuable than the mess over on the FBI's Cooper website. Perhaps that is Tom Colbert's most meaningful contribution to the Norjak investigation - collecting all those 302s and giving them to Shutter.

I would also love to see a presentation on the Flight Path. R99's contributions are a critical component of the attempt to understand what happened at T-Bar, and when. Perhaps Robert can make another trip up to Cooper Country in November.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 03, 2018, 07:08:55 PM
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https://www.bakercityherald.com/csp/mediapool/sites/BakerCityHerald/LocalNews/story.csp?cid=4146799&sid=818&fid=151

I hope JT shows up. I had a great time debating Jerry regarding Cooper’s chances of surviving the jump. These debates took place one to one between symposium presentations. It was fun. Jerry could he pretty confrontational and harsh online but in person he was a cordial respectful gentleman. We both were qualified to opine and we differed 180 degrees on our conclusion. Jerry, a military jumper and survival trainer, said it would have taken a miracle for Cooper to have survived the jump. I saw things very differently.

Hey, let’s invite Amazon too.

Bradley Collins book is full of fact errors but his Dad Jack still is a possible candidate. Grifter, skydiver and the brother of an NWA 727 Capt. Decent resemblance to the sketches too. Bradley claims Jack was investigated by the FBI but I’ve not yet seen any FBI docs that confirm it.

What would forum folks like me to present? A rerun of my parachute talk and demo might be kinda old. Any suggestions welcome. I could talk about my jet jump, legal issues or other topics.

This mention of a radio possibly being provided to Cooper really fascinates me but I will
resist temptation and not start on a “what if” radio hypothetical.

I made 2 radio jumps last week. 31 contacts on the first and 28 on the second which was made from an exit altitude of 16,000 ft. Longest distance contact was about 100 miles, K6LEW in Carmel CA. Used a 3 watt VHF FM walkie talkie.

377

I agree, 377, that the goal for us should be to keep the conference fresh, current, and solid. On the parachute issue, ownership continues to be a Big Bugaboo. Perhaps we could sort that out a bit.

Also, I think it would be refreshing to have Ralph Hadley come up from Eagle Creek, OR. He knew Cossey and is a firm believer that the jump was doable. Plus, he's a skydiving champion. Perhaps a tandem presentation?

As for Bradley, he is pretty iffy as a public speaker. Remember, in 2013 he walked out of my interview because I pressed him too hard. He has near-zero tolerance of not being believed. Further, his more comprehensive story - and that of his 727 flying uncle - is quite dramatic. The 727 pilot committed suicide in Bradley's home and Brad discovered the body. Maybe Brad is ready to share all of this in a public forum. But it's a stretch.

Overall, I think we need a full presentation on all of the events since 2013, especially an analysis of the FBI closing the case, the arrival and swan song, apparently, of Tom Colbert and Airborne Bob, and the Reca-Wrecka Express. Plus, the 20 minutes of HC screen time Tina graced us with. I understand that she went out to dinner with the LMNO crew afterwards and "had a good time," according to PA Allison Berg.

I also would love to see an analysis of all the benefits and insights that have been established here on the Forum. This place, despite the Flame Wars that erupt every-other-week, is a valuable site for discovery and deposition. The Vault collection here is ten times more valuable than the mess over on the FBI's Cooper website. Perhaps that is Tom Colbert's most meaningful contribution to the Norjak investigation - collecting all those 302s and giving them to Shutter.

I would also love to see a presentation on the Flight Path. R99's contributions are a critical component of the attempt to understand what happened at T-Bar, and when. Perhaps Robert can make another trip up to Cooper Country in November.

I've talked with Robert99 about his involvement at the conference, but I think he has some challenges that make it impossible. That said, I was planning on discussing his work briefly and summarizing his theory/findings.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 03, 2018, 08:02:39 PM
Sounds good.

Robert is an old guy - older than me, even! But he was at T-Bar in 2016 for the TC shoot.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on September 04, 2018, 12:06:57 AM
I am very much looking forward to TK
and his team presenting the latest on the tie analysis. Tom and Al combine Maker Fair Macgyver resourcefulness with a keen interest in solving the case through tangible physical evidence. The thought of those guys nursing aging obsolete but still very useful scanning electron microscopes and spectrometers bought at scrap prices warms my engineer heart. I hope Carol comes too. Her scholarly and very entertaining Dan Cooper comic presentation would be a hard act to follow but maybe she has something new.

Bruce knows more about parachute ownership and delivery than anyone. He would be my choice for speaker on this topic.

I like the idea of a forum at the event. Multiple persons kicking it around.

Too bad Bradley is so sensitive. His careless fact checking could divert attention from a viable Cooper candidate. So Jack’s brother, the NWA pilot, committed suicide? Tragic. Does anyone know what led him to take his own life?

As far as resemblance to the FBI sketches Don Burnworth wins the prize. He was a UA 727 Captain and knew far more detail than most crew did about the 727 systems.

Maybe Bruce could do a quick summary of all the serious suspects with photos too. Some just get forgotten like Ted Braden, Don Burnworth and Jack Collins.

WreckaReca is a puzzler. Hope his proponents come and are willing to answer Qs.

377




Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 06, 2018, 05:51:04 PM
An update on the 2018 DB Cooper Conference:

I'm still working to nail down the Portland Yacht Club. We're just ironing out a few logistics but I'm hoping this will be inked within the next day or two--I'm really waiting on them.

I've made a lot of progress on the schedule. As it stands right now the conference will be from 10AM - 5:30PM on November 24th. The following have committed to speaking:

Tom Kaye (Tie particles)
Vern Jones (Walter Reca)
377 (Parachutes)
Bruce Smith (Investigation/FBI closing the case)
Georger (Tena Bar/Money Find)
EU (Sheridan Peterson)

I also had a great phone conversation with Jim Forbes last night about him speaking regarding Rackstraw. Jim will get back to me about whether he can attend given that he'll be out of the country immediately preceding the forum.

I've also reached out to a few others which I should know about in the next couple of days.

Once everything is finalized I'll release a schedule and get the info posted on the http://DBCooperCon.com website.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 06, 2018, 05:55:35 PM
Good to see that things are firming up a bit. I trust that the Portland YC will be onboard shortly.

I've never met Georger in person. This could be quite an encounter, especially given the current circumstances here at the Forum. But G. knows more than most about the T-Bar doings. His knowledge of the money is near-encyclopedic, as he has talked extensively with the Ingrams, Dorwin and others that were on the beach.

Will the Fazios be in attendance?

How about Galen?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 06, 2018, 06:42:53 PM
I have reached out to the Fazios, Galen and Bill Mitchell and am still waiting to hear something one way or the other.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 08, 2018, 06:08:08 PM
I also want to let everyone know that I left Tina a phone message today inviting her to the conference. Obviously she is not likely to attend. Nonetheless, she was made aware of the conference and invited so perhaps we'll be surprised.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: MarkBennett on September 08, 2018, 09:02:34 PM
What about Geoff Gray?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 11, 2018, 09:25:45 PM
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What about Geoff Gray?

I have not reached out to GG. Not opposed to it though. Anyone have his contact info?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 11, 2018, 11:26:03 PM
GG is easy to reach out to - the trick is getting a reply. I'll email his contact info to you.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 12, 2018, 05:44:09 PM
I received the approval today from the Portland Yacht Club Board of Trustees to host the conference at the club so it's set!

The 2018 DB Cooper Conference will be Saturday, November 24th from 10AM-5:30PM at the Portland Yacht Club--just down the river from PDX. The event will be FREE. Parking will be FREE. We will be able to accommodate a little over 200 people.

I'll get a tentative schedule posted online tonight on the website http://DBCooperCon.com.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on September 12, 2018, 05:51:43 PM
Thank you for generously funding this event EU. I am really looking forward to the event, and the evening prior when we will hoist a few beers and hopefully demonstrate what I witnessed at the first symposium: that online rancor disappears in person to person encounters.

377


Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on September 12, 2018, 05:55:09 PM
Might Bruce get parachuting skyjacker Rob Heady to speak?

https://themountainnewswa.net/2013/03/28/the-hunt-for-db-cooper-an-interview-with-a-so-called-cooper-copycat-skyjacker-robb-dolin-heady/

Rob's jet jump story would be a lot more relevant than mine.

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 12, 2018, 06:31:39 PM
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Might Bruce get parachuting skyjacker Rob Heady to speak?

https://themountainnewswa.net/2013/03/28/the-hunt-for-db-cooper-an-interview-with-a-so-called-cooper-copycat-skyjacker-robb-dolin-heady/

Rob's jet jump story would be a lot more relevant than mine.

377

Why not. Sounds like a helluva story.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on September 12, 2018, 09:29:41 PM
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I received the approval today from the Portland Yacht Club Board of Trustees to host the conference at the club so it's set!

The 2018 DB Cooper Conference will be Saturday, November 24th from 10AM-5:30PM at the Portland Yacht Club--just down the river from PDX. The event will be FREE. Parking will be FREE. We will be able to accommodate a little over 200 people.

I'll get a tentative schedule posted online tonight on the website http://DBCooperCon.com.

E-man, I already reserved a hotel room. Is there a way to reserve a seat, or is it first-come, first-serve?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 12, 2018, 09:45:56 PM
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I received the approval today from the Portland Yacht Club Board of Trustees to host the conference at the club so it's set!

The 2018 DB Cooper Conference will be Saturday, November 24th from 10AM-5:30PM at the Portland Yacht Club--just down the river from PDX. The event will be FREE. Parking will be FREE. We will be able to accommodate a little over 200 people.

I'll get a tentative schedule posted online tonight on the website http://DBCooperCon.com.

E-man, I already reserved a hotel room. Is there a way to reserve a seat, or is it first-come, first-serve?

Right now the plan is first-come first-serve. That said, I think I will start a list of VIPs...those that are coming from out of town, presenting, etc. to guarantee a spot.

That said, let's make Unsurelock VIP #1 on the list. Anyone else from the forum that's planning on attending please let me know and I'll be certain to add you to the list as well. Others such as Bruce and 377 that are presenting I'll add to the list automatically.

Cheers!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: MarkBennett on September 12, 2018, 09:55:55 PM
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Might Bruce get parachuting skyjacker Rob Heady to speak?

https://themountainnewswa.net/2013/03/28/the-hunt-for-db-cooper-an-interview-with-a-so-called-cooper-copycat-skyjacker-robb-dolin-heady/

Rob's jet jump story would be a lot more relevant than mine.

377

Why not. Sounds like a helluva story.

I agree.  I met Rob last time and he was very open and candid about the whole thing.  He returned from Viet Nam feeling treated badly by his superiors and was just angry.   The years have given him a lot of perspective, and was very open to any questions.  A good guy who really turned his life around.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 14, 2018, 03:02:46 AM
Eric, I'll send you Robb's contact info, such as I have it. He has moved since we last saw him in 2013, moving to the Phoenix area.

I have no idea exactly what or why Robb might be motivated to come. I think the 2013 visit was more of curiosity - to see who all the Cooper people were who were making a fuss. Subsequently, Robb's ex-wife - and the woman who was in Robb's life when he hijacked his airplane - has written a book about those days from her perspective. She later married Robb while he was in prison. It's a very complicated love story. I had trouble reading it. I felt bad for Robb, and that his ex was being an opportunist.

I asked Robb about his ex's story, which I found distressing and disrespectful of Robb - especially his integrity. But he said he's on good terms with her and has no issue with the book.

It's title is: Falling Over Reno - The True Story of the Skyjacker's Wife.

I guess we'll see how it plays.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 14, 2018, 03:57:28 PM
UPDATE

The venue for the 2018 DB Cooper Conference is being changed. The date and time will remain the same.

The reason for the change is because Robert Blevins contacted the Portland Yacht Club and threatened to sue the club if he didn't like what was said at the conference regarding him. Yes that's right, apparently Blevins thinks that the 2018 DB Cooper Conference is all about him.

The club reached out to me and stated that they just didn't want to get in the middle of some kind of conflict even though there isn't a conflict. Therefore, the approval by the Board of Trustees was rescinded.

Not to worry, I have another venue in the works that is completely aware of the situation and has expressed interest in hosting the event. I should be able to finalize everything by early next week.

May I say that I will not let such antics get under my skin. My objective has been, and will continue to be, to put on an event that is fun and informative and worthy of a mystery of this size. Furthermore, my plan is to make this an annual event.

I have decided to include the full text of the threatening email sent to the Portland Yacht Club by Blevins below highlighted in blue text:

Hello,
This is Robert Blevins from Adventure Books of Seattle. We have a serious concern regarding a scheduled 'DB Cooper' Conference slated to be held at your club on Saturday, November 24, 2018.

We are not objecting to the conference itself, but the person who approached you about asking the club to host this event is advertising the event mainly on this site:  http://www.thedbcooperforum.com

To provide some background, we are the publishers of the book 'Into The Blast - The True Story of D.B. Cooper,' which is now optioned for the first-ever full-length feature film on the famous hijacking. Production shooting is slated to begin next year, both in the Los Angeles area, as well as in Portland and Seattle.

Over at The DB Cooper Forum, this is where user 'EU' has been organizing this event. This is also the website where we took more than fifty screenshots of hateful and insult comments about our company, my wife Gayla, and me personally, that were made over the last four years. Many of this site's members, including the host Dave Brown, aka 'Shutter' supported these posts. Most of them are extremely slanderous.

This event at the Portland Yacht Club is being advertised as free to attend, and free parking included. We intend to send an anonymous representative from Adventure Books to observe the proceedings. Since we are well familiar with most of the people involved in this event, we will be watching for slanderous comments at that event aimed at either Adventure Books, our staff, or anything else related to us. The film production companies, as well as their attorneys, are supporting this effort.

If we observe anything slanderous being presented, we will immediately file suit against the Portland Yacht Club for personal damages, and for supporting the presentation of such slander. We have good reason to believe this will be a part of the program for this conference, because that website and many of its members (including some of the scheduled speakers) are doing it now. For these people to extend their outrageous behavior it to a conference you host is not a stretch. If you would like copies of some of the screenshots taken from The DB Cooper Forum and elsewhere to see the truth for yourself, feel free to ask and we will provide them to you.


Sincerely yours,
Robert M. Blevins
Managing Editor/Co-Founder
Adventure Books of Seattle
2415 I Street NE #D
Auburn, WA  98002
253-929-6259
Email: adventurebooksofseattle@gmail.com
 high
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 14, 2018, 04:31:14 PM
WOW.

May I re-post this at the MN? I'd love to feature it in an article on Robert Blevins and the lengths he will go to sabotage the research efforts of other.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on September 14, 2018, 04:38:16 PM
I think it's time to inform the local police about this problem with Robert....this has really ticked me off...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 14, 2018, 04:59:26 PM
Cooper Kerfuffle Swirls

Today, Robert M. Blevins has created a serious kerfuffle in Cooper World.

I have just spoken with Daniel Wilkins, the Club Manager of the Portland Yacht Club. He was the epitome of a Cooper Clam-Up, at first simply stating, "No comment," when I asked about the rescinding of the club's hosting the 2018 DB Cooper Symposium in November.

When I pressed and asked Wilkins, "Can you confirm that the club has rescinded its invitation to host the DB Cooper Symposium,?" Wilkins said after a pause, "I can simply say that the event will not be held here."

I continued and asked: "Can you confirm that you have received a letter from Robert Blevins?," Wilkins paused, cleared his throat, hesitated, and then hung up.

Welcome to the Real Cooper World.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on September 14, 2018, 05:01:28 PM
what he fails to understand is you can't be slanderous to something you can't prove yourself...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 14, 2018, 05:02:16 PM
Update on the Cooper Kerfuffle

I have written Robert M Blevins on multiple fronts. First, I have asked him for the screenshots that he says are objectionable and the cause of his writing a letter to the Portland Yacht Club threatening law suits if the DBC Symposium is held there.

Secondly, I have asked him to confirm if the letter that he sent to the PYC and posted here by Eric is legit.

So far, I have not heard back from Blevins.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 14, 2018, 05:04:35 PM
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I think it's time to inform the local police about this problem with Robert....this has really ticked me off...

I agree. I am completely and fully committed to bringing suit against Blevins for this outrageous act. Attention all Attorneys!

As for LE, Shut, I leave that to you to decide which agency and jurisdiction is best suited to make an intervention on our behalf.

I am UTTERLY OUTRAGED by Blevins' behavior.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on September 14, 2018, 05:05:01 PM
I don't see a need for any WAR...he should be outed completely from the Cooper community...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on September 14, 2018, 05:06:24 PM
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I think it's time to inform the local police about this problem with Robert....this has really ticked me off...

I agree. I am completely and fully committed to bringing suit against Blevins for this outrageous act. Attention all Attorneys!

As for LE, Shut, I leave that to you to decide which agency and jurisdiction is best suited to make an intervention on our behalf.

I am UTTERLY OUTRAGED by Blevins' behavior.


This is Ariel all over again where he brings this into the real world...it's harassment 101...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 14, 2018, 05:21:31 PM
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I don't see a need for any WAR...he should be outed completely from the Cooper community...

Okay. Maybe my words are a little too heated....

...I'll go back and tone it down.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on September 14, 2018, 05:23:35 PM
First step is to write the article about this issue at hand...you probably won't hear from him until he returns from his camping trip ..
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 14, 2018, 05:26:42 PM
True. But it might be interesting to talk to the people who aren't on his camping trip.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on September 14, 2018, 05:27:16 PM
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True. But it might be interesting to talk to the people who aren't on his camping trip.

what people?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 14, 2018, 05:58:23 PM
I'm developing sources along those lines. Stay tuned...if you catch my drift....
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 14, 2018, 06:57:28 PM
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WOW.

May I re-post this at the MN? I'd love to feature it in an article on Robert Blevins and the lengths he will go to sabotage the research efforts of other.

Feel free.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 14, 2018, 10:03:08 PM
After attempts to hear from Blevins directly via phone and email so I could confirm the letter posted is actually his, I drove 4 hours in rush-hour traffic and thunder storms - with highways closed due to flooding (and we're not even close to North Carolina!) - to speak with whomever might be available at his posted address of 2415 -D- 24th Ave NE in Auburn.

Not sure whom I talked with, but an older woman, 60-70 years old I estmate, answered the door, and after I introduced myself she said: "NO COMMENT. I have nothing to say to you. I know who you are and if you don't leave right now, I'm gonna call the cops."

"Please do," I replied, as I thought police protection might be in order for a family whose senior male member has openly lauded their gun ownership.

"Get off my property RIGHT NOW. Or I'm gonna call the cops." I left, and as I turned down 24th Street towards Auburn Way I saw an Auburn PD cruiser pass me in the direction of Blevins' abode.

I guess I left too soon. Nevertheless, when I got home I had TWO messages from Robert phoned in from somewhere in the Olympics of western Washington.

Mountain News piece will be posted later this evening.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on September 14, 2018, 10:08:33 PM
It's sad Robert has caused so much drama..I feel bad for Eric who has been working very hard to put things together only to have them undone by the works of a fool.

Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on September 14, 2018, 10:11:31 PM
This marks the second time Robert has brought this mess into the real world. the first time was Ariel...a complete failure by him once again...

That's not the address where he lives.....
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: FLYJACK on September 14, 2018, 10:13:37 PM
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It's sad Robert has caused so much drama..I feel bad for Eric who has been working very hard to put things together only to have them undone by the works of a fool.

Absolutely unbelievable..
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on September 14, 2018, 11:13:22 PM
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It's sad Robert has caused so much drama..I feel bad for Eric who has been working very hard to put things together only to have them undone by the works of a fool.

Absolutely unbelievable..


Nothing unbelievable coming from one Robert M Blevins..
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 14, 2018, 11:49:32 PM
The 2018 DB Cooper Conference will take place on Saturday, November 24th albeit at a different venue.

The conference has never been about this guy who apparently has a screw loose. Moreover, it will still not be about this guy who apparently has a screw loose.

I've been in contact with a new venue and believe the conference would be well-served there. Also, I will pin down a pub/bar where those who are interested in getting together for some drinks and conversation the night before the conference can meet up. To that end, if anyone has any suggestions please feel free to let them be known.

Cheers!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on September 15, 2018, 01:05:25 AM
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The 2018 DB Cooper Conference will take place on Saturday, November 24th albeit at a different venue.

The conference has never been about this guy who apparently has a screw loose. Moreover, it will still not be about this guy who apparently has a screw loose.

I've been in contact with a new venue and believe the conference would be well-served there. Also, I will pin down a pub/bar where those who are interested in getting together for some drinks and conversation the night before the conference can meet up. To that end, if anyone has any suggestions please feel free to let them be known.

Cheers!

Eric, although you have your own reasons for putting together this symposium, for the part of it that is a service to this community I'd like to thank you for coordinating, planning and funding this in the face of...whatever this is.  I was and am looking forward to this.

Let me know how I can help.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 15, 2018, 02:39:08 AM
The story on Blevins and his actions to sabotage the 2018 conference is up at the Mountain News.

https://themountainnewswa.net/2018/09/14/db-cooper-conference-confirmed-for-november-in-portland-and-then-abruptly-canceled-as-researcher-robert-blevins-threatened-law-suit/
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 73blazer on September 15, 2018, 11:41:52 AM
One more notch in the saga called DB Cooper.  :( :o . HOw many more will there be???

Has anyone done a book that documents and focuses on all the crazy stuff that's happened to the various actors in this saga over the years weather their actions were good or bad? From the the pilots and flight staff to the Ingrams to Cossy, Jo, Blevins, CSleuths, some of the various FBI agents, Ariel people..... and this list could go on and on and on.
What is it about Cooper that brings some people to this? It seems to have an intoxicating effect on some worthy of a real world intervention and diagnosis and help. I find the whole story interesting and am always interested in reading about new developments in the case, but for the last 30 years 90% of the "developments" have been basically Cooper people falling off the wagon or trying to use it to cash in, or both. When you let something run your life, it doesn't matter what it is, that's a drug and you need to rid yourself of it. For some, perhaps this is the best course of action.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 15, 2018, 11:35:10 PM
I posted the following comment (blue text) on MN regarding the discussion about Robert Blevins:

My vote would be to permanently block Blevins from this forum.

Blevins’ threat was grounded in malice. He knew that the yacht club wasn’t organizing, funding or sponsoring the DB Cooper Conference. That would be me. However, he hasn’t threatened me. Why?

The answer is because Blevins hoped that he could stir the pot and that the yacht club would cave. He was right. Furthermore, he knew that he could not intimidate or silence me. Once again, he was right.

The event is called the “DB Cooper Conference” and not the “Robert Blevins Conference” for a reason. Blevins is not that important. DB Cooper is important. The conference is about Cooper, not Blevins.

This and other sites should be welcoming to people with differing opinions and theories regarding the DB Cooper mystery—even those espousing Kenny Christiansen as Cooper. This task is impeded when people like Blevins are permitted to operate unchallenged in any manner they see fit. It is neither right nor productive.

Free people are not required to tolerate malice. There is no honor in willingly forfeiting the rights that we all enjoy as Americans, chief among these freedom of assembly and speech. The 2018 DB Cooper Conference will take place; the new venue will be announced soon.

Cheers!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on September 16, 2018, 12:11:07 AM
I agree 100%..his goal was reached...he will tell a different story all together though..I don't think it will work this time. it's foolish for him to claim he never meant for them to back out..

I've been dealing with his childish acts for a long time..65 years old going on 7...it's just another chapter of drama in dealing with one Robert M Blevins...the troll of all trolls...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 16, 2018, 05:03:48 AM
Note from the Mountain News:

The following individuals have been permanently banned from posting at the Mountain News:

1. Meyer Louie
2. Robert M Blevins

The primary reason that I am tired of dealing with their pathology. They have chosen not to accept the help - or tolerance - offered by the Internet Cooper Community to become smarter or more insightful than they have been. I accept their decision, and I have made mine.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on September 16, 2018, 12:11:22 PM
According to Meyer Louie (friends with RMB) Robert has plans for the next conference location...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 16, 2018, 02:46:27 PM
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According to Meyer Louie (friends with RMB) Robert has plans for the next conference location...

I'm really not concerned. The conference will take place on private property. They're actually requiring security--two or three guys--to ensure that there aren't any problems which can occur when you get 200 people together. The conference will be safe, secure and fun.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on September 19, 2018, 08:20:28 PM
UPDATE:

The 2018 DB Cooper Conference will be held at the Columbia Edgewater Country Club!

www.CECC.com

The date will be Saturday, November 24th--the 47th Anniversary of the hijacking. It will run from 10AM - 5:30PM. The event will be FREE.

I'm really excited about this venue. Again, very close to PDX.  Very nice from what I can see online. I'll get a schedule posted within the next day or two.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 19, 2018, 09:46:39 PM
EXCELLENT!

Congratulations, and thanks.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Parrotheadvol on September 19, 2018, 10:11:48 PM
I hope you told them to expect an email from a certain someone.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on September 20, 2018, 08:33:58 PM
see photo
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 01, 2018, 10:02:56 PM
Bryan Woodruff wrote the following...

Quote
Just finished having a nice chat with the Travel Channel, and yes they'll be calling back. Saturday night had the pleasure of meeting and chatting with a nice couple from Germany, the husband plans to write a fictional story on D B Cooper. There will be a D B Cooper conference held in Portland on Nov. 24, 2018, and yes I've been asked to bring memories of Mom with me.

I'll confirm to see if he is coming...for those who don't know who Bryan is....he's the son of Donna who owned the Ariel Tavern...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on October 01, 2018, 11:31:54 PM
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Bryan Woodruff wrote the following...

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Just finished having a nice chat with the Travel Channel, and yes they'll be calling back. Saturday night had the pleasure of meeting and chatting with a nice couple from Germany, the husband plans to write a fictional story on D B Cooper. There will be a D B Cooper conference held in Portland on Nov. 24, 2018, and yes I've been asked to bring memories of Mom with me.


I'll confirm to see if he is coming...for those who don't know who Bryan is....he's the son of Donna who owned the Ariel Tavern...
Very nice. Thanks for sharing ...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 02, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
here's an interesting skydiving story....

.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZkiKGjUD7s
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on October 02, 2018, 06:05:12 PM
An AAD (automatic activation device) ensures that your reserve will be deployed if you pass through about 900 ft at high vertical speed.

https://www.cypres.aero/about/

They have, at times, delivered dead bodies to the ground under an open reserve canopy.

Many, but not all, DZs require them. I use an AAD.

AADs have saved thousands of skydivers who for one reason or another did not deploy their main chute and were seconds away from ground impact at terminal velocity.

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 03, 2018, 06:13:24 PM
Very cool video. Thanks, Shut.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 03, 2018, 06:15:51 PM
I need to move this...I'm use to "news & updates being on top and posted the video here by mistake...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Lynn on October 03, 2018, 08:45:27 PM
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UPDATE:

The 2018 DB Cooper Conference will be held at the Columbia Edgewater Country Club!

www.CECC.com

The date will be Saturday, November 24th--the 47th Anniversary of the hijacking. It will run from 10AM - 5:30PM. The event will be FREE.

I'm really excited about this venue. Again, very close to PDX.  Very nice from what I can see online. I'll get a schedule posted within the next day or two.
Congratulations, EU and great work not letting the legend in his own mind detract from the real legend we all care about.

Alas, will be unable to attend, so please, if there is any way to watch some of it online or attend the conference virtually, let me know - I can (and will) get the day off work but the $900 plane ticket is out at the mo, spent a lot on a trip home this summer. Would love to hear the presentations and maybe meet some of you virtually, though, and am so glad these events are still happening. I don't know what it is with this case, it really does have a life of its own.

PS Have finished my fictional DBC book so am now anxiously awaiting response from a publisher who likes the first few chapters and wants to see the rest - fingers crossed!

Oh, and Mr. Andrade, will be reviewing your book this weekend on Amazon and Goodreads. I was hoping to read Gunther's book before I did that, but didn't get around to it and don't want to leave it any longer as you were sweet enough to send it. I don't think I really need to see Gunther's book to review yours, but wanted a little more detail on his contact with Clara. (BTW, I'm sure you noticed that "Clara" and "Leclair" both translate as "(the) clear" in English. I thought that was interesting so wanted to read more about Gunther's actual contact.)

 :chr2: :chr2:Have fun at the conference, y'all! So jealous!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 04, 2018, 04:30:54 AM
I'm always happy to chat about DBC, Lynn. I SKYPE, do you? I'd be happy to share my experiences at the Conference - give ya  taste of it.

Do you have my email? Brucesmith at Rainierconnect dot com.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 05, 2018, 05:20:25 PM
Is the front page of this site missing all photo's on the members side as well, trying to see if it's just on my end?...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: FLYJACK on October 05, 2018, 05:25:26 PM
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Is the front page of this site missing all photo's on the members side as well, trying to see if it's just on my end?...
yes, pics missing,, photobucket images?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on October 08, 2018, 12:03:48 AM
EU, you really need to get FLYJACK into your program. He insists his claims are vital and groundbreaking to the DB Cooper case. He even says anyone who disagrees with him is "wasting time and holding up progress on the case", quote/unquote. Perhaps you could team FLYJACK and Tom Kaye together for a joint program of critical importance!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 08, 2018, 12:35:00 PM
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EU, you really need to get FLYJACK into your program. He insists his claims are vital and groundbreaking to the DB Cooper case. He even says anyone who disagrees with him is "wasting time and holding up progress on the case", quote/unquote. Perhaps you could team FLYJACK and Tom Kaye together for a joint program of critical importance!

I actually have no problem with FLYJACK speaking to his theories as they relate to Hahnemann and the money find. Furthermore, I wouldn't have been opposed to Blevins speaking about KC. I'm all for a broad presentation of theories and suspects and believe that the attendees will be sophisticated enough to determine the validity of each based upon the arguments made.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 09, 2018, 02:56:17 AM
I'd love to hear a concise presentation on Hahneman as DBC.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: FLYJACK on October 09, 2018, 09:58:59 AM
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I'd love to hear a concise presentation on Hahneman as DBC.

Me too, I have hundreds of pieces of info on Hahneman much not disclosed here. BIG JOB to pull it all together into a concise presentable format.

My FOIA was accepted and moved to "gathering research" stage.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 09, 2018, 01:02:36 PM
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I'd love to hear a concise presentation on Hahneman as DBC.

Me too, I have hundreds of pieces of info on Hahneman much not disclosed here. BIG JOB to pull it all together into a concise presentable format.

My FOIA was accepted and moved to "gathering research" stage.

Make the trip and provide a 30-minute presentation at the conference.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on October 09, 2018, 01:04:30 PM
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I'd love to hear a concise presentation on Hahneman as DBC.

Me too, I have hundreds of pieces of info on Hahneman much not disclosed here. BIG JOB to pull it all together into a concise presentable format.

My FOIA was accepted and moved to "gathering research" stage.

Make the trip and provide a 30-minute presentation at the conference.
Can you make room for him?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 09, 2018, 01:54:20 PM
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I'd love to hear a concise presentation on Hahneman as DBC.

Me too, I have hundreds of pieces of info on Hahneman much not disclosed here. BIG JOB to pull it all together into a concise presentable format.

My FOIA was accepted and moved to "gathering research" stage.

Make the trip and provide a 30-minute presentation at the conference.
Can you make room for him?

I believe that FLYJACK has invested a significant amount of time and research into his theory as demonstrated on this site. He's announced that he believes Hahneman is the guy and has a story to tell. I think it would be interesting to hear what he has to say and time can be provided if he's interested in presenting his theory.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: FLYJACK on October 09, 2018, 02:40:38 PM
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I'd love to hear a concise presentation on Hahneman as DBC.

Me too, I have hundreds of pieces of info on Hahneman much not disclosed here. BIG JOB to pull it all together into a concise presentable format.

My FOIA was accepted and moved to "gathering research" stage.

Make the trip and provide a 30-minute presentation at the conference.
Can you make room for him?

I believe that FLYJACK has invested a significant amount of time and research into his theory as demonstrated on this site. He's announced that he believes Hahneman is the guy and has a story to tell. I think it would be interesting to hear what he has to say and time can be provided if he's interested in presenting his theory.

I have a family member about to start chemo, no way I can pull anything together that would do the topic justice. I have been going back and tried sorting out and have even forgotten some of my own stuff.

but, have any witnesses, Tina, Bill or Flo etc.. indicated if they'll be there?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 09, 2018, 09:07:31 PM
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but, have any witnesses, Tina, Bill or Flo etc.. indicated if they'll be there?

I've reached out to both Tina and Bill...nothing. I'll try Bill one more time. I'll leave Tina alone.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 12, 2018, 09:41:15 PM
Brian Woodruff confirmed he will be attending the conference...he sent an email today...email was also sent to Bruce & Galen..
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 13, 2018, 10:49:52 AM
It appears that Mr. Blevins will never be a dead issue...he sent Bruce Smith a rather long email trying to justify his reasoning for sending a letter to the Portland Yacht Club..it was addressed to me since he is blocked on my emails...

He goes on claiming Eric uses a username vs his real name and didn't know how to properly contact him...yes, the guy who believes he solved the case can't figure out how to contact Eric Ulis? I believe Eric has given his name and yet he can't figure this out? He states he never intended for them to reject the conference..I find this extremely hard to believe given the fact of him always claiming to know how to find out who is posting under a username..I believe the letter was premeditated with one goal..that's was to disrupt...if you don't recall, Robert was still posting on TMN but failed to try and contact Eric. Instead he bypassed Eric and sent a letter to the Yacht club..his removal at TMN was after the letter was sent...

His latest venture is discussing a website called Unsolved Mysteries...I've been telling him about the comments made on that site for over a year..he now claims to have found out who has been making these comments and once again claims some being from here..he can't figure out who EU is because of a username but figured out who people are using a username on another site? Yes, that's what he's saying...

claiming to know others IP address through websites would not be any sort of legal action taken..even if the site owner gave him the IP's it would be against policy..this is suppose to be private guarded information..it's called hacking...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 13, 2018, 12:14:45 PM
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It appears that Mr. Blevins will never be a dead issue...he sent Bruce Smith a rather long email trying to justify his reasoning for sending a letter to the Portland Yacht Club..it was addressed to me since he is blocked on my emails...

He goes on claiming Eric uses a username vs his real name and didn't know how to properly contact him...yes, the guy who believes he solved the case can't figure out how to contact Eric Ulis? I believe Eric has given his name and yet he can't figure this out? He states he never intended for them to reject the conference..I find this extremely hard to believe given the fact of him always claiming to know how to find out who is posting under a username..I believe the letter was premeditated with one goal..that's was to disrupt...if you don't recall, Robert was still posting on TMN but failed to try and contact Eric. Instead he bypassed Eric and sent a letter to the Yacht club..his removal at TMN was after the letter was sent...

His latest venture is discussing a website called Unsolved Mysteries...I've been telling him about the comments made on that site for over a year..he now claims to have found out who has been making these comments and once again claims some being from here..he can't figure out who EU is because of a username but figured out who people are using a username on another site? Yes, that's what he's saying...

claiming to know others IP address through websites would not be any sort of legal action taken..even if the site owner gave him the IP's it would be against policy..this is suppose to be private guarded information..it's called hacking...

It's just poor form on his part. I'm a reasonable person, so if he had contacted me to express his concerns I would have handled them very diplomatically. That said, the conference is not about him, it's about Cooper. Therefore, he shouldn't have been concerned about people attacking him personally.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 13, 2018, 12:23:07 PM
He had all the time in the world to do the right thing...he decided a different direction which is a common pattern with him...it's sad that he really thinks he would be center stage to such an event...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 13, 2018, 12:25:09 PM
Is anything else going to be done with the conference website?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on October 13, 2018, 04:48:06 PM
This may sound silly or perhaps utterly moronic to some, but has anyone thought of inviting Blevins? Maybe he would be cooler if he was involved than as an outsider? I dunno, I've never met or spoken to him.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 13, 2018, 05:01:28 PM
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Is anything else going to be done with the conference website?

I'm going to update the website this weekend.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 13, 2018, 05:09:33 PM
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This may sound silly or perhaps utterly moronic to some, but has anyone thought of inviting Blevins? Maybe he would be cooler if he was involved than as an outsider? I dunno, I've never met or spoken to him.

Bobby never shows. He wasn't at the Portland conference in 2011, nor the Tacoma one in 2013. Plus, he said he couldn't make this one due to a prior family commitment out of town. I've met Bob once, at the Ariel Tavern in the early afternoon before the Cooper Daze festivities started for the evening, circa 2012 - before the craziness got dangerous and toxic. He video taped an interview with me, Meyer, and Dona E. Posted it somewhere.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 13, 2018, 05:15:00 PM
Robert has progressed over the years...asking him IMO would be the last thing to do...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 13, 2018, 05:18:36 PM
I concur. Although an after-hours mud-wrestling match with RMB might be the highlight of the event!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on October 13, 2018, 11:42:01 PM
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It appears that Mr. Blevins will never be a dead issue...he sent Bruce Smith a rather long email trying to justify his reasoning for sending a letter to the Portland Yacht Club..it was addressed to me since he is blocked on my emails...

He goes on claiming Eric uses a username vs his real name and didn't know how to properly contact him...yes, the guy who believes he solved the case can't figure out how to contact Eric Ulis? I believe Eric has given his name and yet he can't figure this out? He states he never intended for them to reject the conference..I find this extremely hard to believe given the fact of him always claiming to know how to find out who is posting under a username..I believe the letter was premeditated with one goal..that's was to disrupt...if you don't recall, Robert was still posting on TMN but failed to try and contact Eric. Instead he bypassed Eric and sent a letter to the Yacht club..his removal at TMN was after the letter was sent...

His latest venture is discussing a website called Unsolved Mysteries...I've been telling him about the comments made on that site for over a year..he now claims to have found out who has been making these comments and once again claims some being from here..he can't figure out who EU is because of a username but figured out who people are using a username on another site? Yes, that's what he's saying...

claiming to know others IP address through websites would not be any sort of legal action taken..even if the site owner gave him the IP's it would be against policy..this is suppose to be private guarded information..it's called hacking...

Since I am supposed to be there making comments (for over a year!?) could someone give me the url to the place !?  :rofl:

Could someone also give me the url to the conference website if there is one ?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 14, 2018, 12:06:30 AM
I will have to search for the Unsolved link...I haven't been there since I told Robert about it months go...

The link to the conference site is http://dbcoopercon.com/

Eric is working on it so there is not much to it at the moment.....
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 14, 2018, 06:15:44 PM
The conference site has been updated. The site is available at:

https://DBCooperCon.com

Not all of the details are fleshed out as of yet, however, I will be updating things as the date approaches. Feedback and suggestions are welcome.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 14, 2018, 06:57:47 PM
Looks pretty good  :congrats:
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 14, 2018, 07:15:02 PM
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a parachute just like the one Cooper used, a tie bar just like the one Cooper left behind

It's a "tie clip" a tie bar slides across and covers most of the tie....
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on October 14, 2018, 11:42:33 PM
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The conference site has been updated. The site is available at:

https://DBCooperCon.com

Not all of the details are fleshed out as of yet, however, I will be updating things as the date approaches. Feedback and suggestions are welcome.

who is giving the Tena Bar Money presentation ?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on October 15, 2018, 12:41:38 AM
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The conference site has been updated. The site is available at:

https://DBCooperCon.com

Not all of the details are fleshed out as of yet, however, I will be updating things as the date approaches. Feedback and suggestions are welcome.

who is giving the Tena Bar Money presentation ?

I'm pretty sure nobody wants me to do that.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on October 15, 2018, 09:24:56 AM
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The conference site has been updated. The site is available at:

https://DBCooperCon.com

Not all of the details are fleshed out as of yet, however, I will be updating things as the date approaches. Feedback and suggestions are welcome.

who is giving the Tena Bar Money presentation ?

I'm pretty sure nobody wants me to do that.

...Tough crowd. Take my wife, please.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 15, 2018, 10:14:44 AM
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The conference site has been updated. The site is available at:

https://DBCooperCon.com

Not all of the details are fleshed out as of yet, however, I will be updating things as the date approaches. Feedback and suggestions are welcome.

who is giving the Tena Bar Money presentation ?

I'm working on it. I think you would have been great for this topic.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 15, 2018, 10:18:12 AM
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a parachute just like the one Cooper used, a tie bar just like the one Cooper left behind

It's a "tie clip" a tie bar slides across and covers most of the tie....

Yes, I'll fix that.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on October 15, 2018, 01:31:13 PM
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The conference site has been updated. The site is available at:

https://DBCooperCon.com

Not all of the details are fleshed out as of yet, however, I will be updating things as the date approaches. Feedback and suggestions are welcome.

who is giving the Tena Bar Money presentation ?

I'm working on it. I think you would have been great for this topic.

How about Bruce ?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 15, 2018, 08:20:55 PM
Bios for some of the speakers are now up on the conference site https://dbcoopercon.com
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 16, 2018, 07:04:25 PM
I just included photos of the speaker line-up as it stands now...377's kicks ass!

http://dbcoopercon.com
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 17, 2018, 09:15:50 PM
I just had a lengthy phone conversation with Bradley Collins, author of

https://www.amazon.com/My-Father-was-D-B-Cooper/dp/1849631999

Bradley has confirmed that he will be speaking at the DB Cooper Conference. I will be updating the conference website https://dbcoopercon.com to reflect this addition soon.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: FLYJACK on October 17, 2018, 09:33:01 PM
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I just had a lengthy phone conversation with Bradley Collins, author of

https://www.amazon.com/My-Father-was-D-B-Cooper/dp/1849631999

Bradley has confirmed that he will be speaking at the DB Cooper Conference. I will be updating the conference website https://dbcoopercon.com to reflect this addition soon.

Is it possible to video the conference? and maybe youtube it.. 
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 17, 2018, 10:20:17 PM
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Is it possible to video the conference? and maybe youtube it..

Perhaps there is a way to Facebook live the conference. I'll check into it.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: FLYJACK on October 18, 2018, 12:05:28 AM
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Is it possible to video the conference? and maybe youtube it..

Perhaps there is a way to Facebook live the conference. I'll check into it.

Doesn't have to be live but a recording would be valuable.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Darren on October 18, 2018, 04:57:38 PM
I'll be there. Really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 18, 2018, 05:22:02 PM
Darren, you were going to be doing some podcasting about Cooper, perhaps you could help Eric with the video part of the conference...I don't know what Eric has in mind, but another hand can't hurt?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Darren on October 20, 2018, 04:45:31 PM
I don't really have any video equipment outside a DSLR, but I can certainly bring it.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 26, 2018, 10:23:08 PM
I just spoke with Tom Colbert. He has offered to leverage his media contacts--which are plentiful--to help promote the conference. Also, I invited Tom to offer up someone to make a Rackstraw presentation. I will know more about this possibility soon.

Shutter played a role in putting Tom and me in contact with each other, so kudos to Shutter.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 26, 2018, 10:38:43 PM
I also received an email from Dan Tilkin from KOIN..he said he might be able to make it but couldn't stay the entire time..he consider's himself sort of a closet Cooper fan/nut. very knowledgeable with the case..
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on October 26, 2018, 11:58:27 PM
I just received an email from Geoffery Gray of possibly attending the conference...I sent him the website and a few words and he responded as you will see in the pic since the error pops up not allowing me to copy/paste  >:(
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: FLYJACK on October 27, 2018, 11:14:20 AM
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I just received an email from Geoffery Gray of possibly attending the conference...I sent him the website and a few words and he responded as you will see in the pic since the error pops up not allowing me to copy/paste  >:(

Thanks to Snow,
I got the copy/paste to work by running text through this online character stripper..

paste text
hit remove Diacritics button
copy text
paste here

https://pteo.paranoiaworks.mobi/diacriticsremover/

Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 27, 2018, 09:37:11 PM
Remote Viewing

How about we have a five-minute group remote viewing session for all conference attendees that would like to combine their energies and travel back to November 24, 1971.

377 says that remote viewing can not, does not, and will not work - that it is an impossibility. Well, let's see, shall we?

I'd be happy to lead such a session - first, some controlled breathing to get everyone in a meditative state, then a guided imagery piece to set the stage, and lastly, a few minutes of individualized exploration of what one can access or perceive.

Whadddayasay?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on October 27, 2018, 09:42:48 PM
Tom Kaye reached out to me today to ask for additional time at the conference to discuss his 2008 and 2017 particle results. To that end, Tom's discussion will be 45 minutes in length. The schedule will be adjusted accordingly and an updated version posted on the conference site at https://dbcoopercon.com within a day.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: DavidV on October 28, 2018, 12:35:07 PM
Been a while since I was last here. So much to digest! Ran across this conference on the internet. Great idea. Can't be there but can assure all my heart will. Also I look forward to anything uploaded to YouTube. Sorry to hear about the reason for a change in venue.
Wish all involved the best of luck!  :bravo:
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on October 28, 2018, 02:58:44 PM
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Remote Viewing

How about we have a five-minute group remote viewing session for all conference attendees that would like to combine their energies and travel back to November 24, 1971.

377 says that remote viewing can not, does not, and will not work - that it is an impossibility. Well, let's see, shall we?

I'd be happy to lead such a session - first, some controlled breathing to get everyone in a meditative state, then a guided imagery piece to set the stage, and lastly, a few minutes of individualized exploration of what one can access or perceive.

Whadddayasay?

I say FUTILE, but harmless. View away.

While we are ignoring physics, wouldn't  alchemy be more suited to your current needs Bruce?
I have some 60 lb lead commercial fishing weights. Why don't you transmute them into gold?
It's actually possible using fusion but not cost effective. Some chants spells and added chemicals, if effective, would be wildly profitable. You could move uptown. 😉

377

Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on October 28, 2018, 11:22:24 PM
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Remote Viewing

How about we have a five-minute group remote viewing session for all conference attendees that would like to combine their energies and travel back to November 24, 1971.

377 says that remote viewing can not, does not, and will not work - that it is an impossibility. Well, let's see, shall we?

I'd be happy to lead such a session - first, some controlled breathing to get everyone in a meditative state, then a guided imagery piece to set the stage, and lastly, a few minutes of individualized exploration of what one can access or perceive.

Whadddayasay?

I say FUTILE, but harmless. View away.

While we are ignoring physics, wouldn't  alchemy be more suited to your current needs Bruce?
I have some 60 lb lead commercial fishing weights. Why don't you transmute them into gold?
It's actually possible using fusion but not cost effective. Some chants spells and added chemicals, if effective, would be wildly profitable. You could move uptown. 😉

377

funny ...  :))
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 29, 2018, 02:00:39 AM
60 pounds of lead... hmmm.... transmutes into 60 pounds of gold, give or take. At 1,300 bucks an ounce, that is, hmmmm. a lot of money... $1.2 million, or about 20 pounds of twenties if they are 1971 vintage and flew around here one Thanksgiving night.

...You do have a point, 377.

But if I applied my focused thought on Mega Millions, I could make $1.6 Billion, before taxes, of course. So many possibilities...so little time...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 03, 2018, 04:59:26 PM
EU - important Conference questions:

WHERE'S THE PARTY???

Relatedly, where are we staying Friday night? Saturday? What hotel/motel should I be calling to make a reservation?

As I mentioned in another post in a thread far, far away, there is a pub named V-23 that might be a suitable watering hole. The referral comes to me via Bobby B, so it comes with some degree of risk.... nevertheless, it might be a place to scout.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Parrotheadvol on November 03, 2018, 07:08:48 PM
I've seen the website for V-23. Looks like a cool place. Looks like they absolutely dig Cooper folks.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on November 03, 2018, 07:14:55 PM
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I've seen the website for V-23. Looks like a cool place. Looks like they absolutely dig Cooper folks.

Yep, I remember when they opened a while back. I posted pics somewhere...

https://victor23.com/
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 04, 2018, 02:37:53 PM
Tom Colbert called me this morning to let me now that he will be sending a person from his research team to make a presentation concerning Rackstraw. I will be modifying the schedule to reflect this change.

Tom also mentioned that there will be a handful of his people in attendance...he is not certain whether he will be there personally as of yet.

Also, Vern Jones' (Walter Reca/Principia Media) production company will be filming the entire proceedings. Therefore, the entire conference will be available in a yet-to-be-determined format for those interested. Obviously I'll let you know what is decided on that front. Nonetheless, it will serve as an ideal historical record of the case as it stands 47 years out from the event.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 04, 2018, 06:34:08 PM
I trust that Verne will assure us that the video will not be used inappropriately, such as declaring copyright on what we say, etc.

In other words: will there be free use of this video?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 04, 2018, 06:39:00 PM
The Red Lion Inn at the Portland Airport is where we are beginning to book rooms. When I contacted the RRI directly, they wanted something like 75 bucks in taxes and fees for a two-night stay, so I went to Trevago, which bumped me to Expedia.

I used Expedia to get a "Basic" room at the RRI for one adult at $110 per night with a $16 add-on for taxes and fees. Total was $126.

I'll be driving down, so I can taxi a few folks to the conference on Saturday - let me know. Also, the Victor 23 pub is less than 20 minutes away from PDX and the conference. Perhaps V-23 will be a conference rendezvous point. It's not exactly downtown "Couve," but it's close. On St John's off of 4th Plain Rd., just west of downtown Vancouver.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on November 04, 2018, 07:20:07 PM
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I trust that Verne will assure us that the video will not be used inappropriately, such as declaring copyright on what we say, etc.

In other words: will there be free use of this video?

Sombody just needs to set up a camera as a backup and let it run...very simple..
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 04, 2018, 07:40:59 PM
Vern and I spoke about the filming at length. We have a Gentlemen's Agreement that the footage will be available to everyone and that they're free to use it for purposes generally considered appropriate. We don't need lawyer crap--not to impugn 377--involved with this. Obviously if people abuse the footage that will impact future years negatively.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on November 04, 2018, 09:54:48 PM
Wonderful. It truly warms my heart to see this done without any lawyer input.

Film away. I freely assign dedicate and transfer any rights I have in my presentation to the Vortex.

May kindness and entropy prevail.

377

Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 08, 2018, 09:02:49 AM
16 DAYS AND COUNTING!

https://dbcoopercon.com

I expect to have more info related to the get-together, planned for the evening before the conference, to be posted soon.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 08, 2018, 05:51:52 PM
PRE-CONFERENCE SOCIAL

For those interested, we'll be getting together the night before the conference to talk DB Cooper over beers and food at Victor 23 Craft Brewery in Vancouver from 6PM-10PM.

I've updated the conference site https://dbcoopercon.com with the address and other info.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on November 08, 2018, 06:20:18 PM
REALLY looking forward to this. Wish I could arrive by parachute.

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 08, 2018, 06:24:31 PM
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REALLY looking forward to this. Wish I could arrive by parachute.

377

If you arrived by parachute there would be someone who thought you were DB Cooper landing 47 years later after being in some type of time warp similar to that show Manifest on TV concerning the lost airliner that arrives years later.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 08, 2018, 06:39:48 PM
BTW, the owner of the brewery requested that those of us in the DBC orbit submit some names to him as possible names for future brews that they put out.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: FLYJACK on November 08, 2018, 07:29:52 PM
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BTW, the owner of the brewery requested that those of us in the DBC orbit submit some names to him as possible names for future brews that they put out.

NORJACKED
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 08, 2018, 07:30:55 PM
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BTW, the owner of the brewery requested that those of us in the DBC orbit submit some names to him as possible names for future brews that they put out.

NORJACKED

Not bad. I'll pass it on.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 09, 2018, 01:47:02 AM
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BTW, the owner of the brewery requested that those of us in the DBC orbit submit some names to him as possible names for future brews that they put out.

NORJACKED

I love it!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 09, 2018, 01:49:34 AM
"No funny stuff" Porter.

"Let's get the show on the road" IPA
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on November 09, 2018, 10:14:47 AM
Flo's Piercing Brown Ale
Tina's Tall & Swarthy Stout (served in a Pilsner glass)
The Unmarked Bills-ner
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on November 09, 2018, 10:36:07 AM
Tom's Rare Earthy Ale-ments

727 Carr Bomb (7oz dark beer, 2oz bourbon, 7oz pale beer)
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Parrotheadvol on November 09, 2018, 12:47:58 PM
How about a Kenny Christiansen Non Alcoholic Beer. For folks like Blevins, who could drink it and pretend it was the real thing.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on November 09, 2018, 01:12:07 PM
The Flight 305 can be a flight of the 3-5 best of them.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Tom Kaye on November 11, 2018, 07:22:54 PM

I just booked at the Red Lion and barely got plane flights.  Red Lion is where everyone is staying right? Hope we can share rides etc. I will be in late Friday but should make it to V-23.

Tom

Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 11, 2018, 08:38:32 PM
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I just booked at the Red Lion and barely got plane flights.  Red Lion is where everyone is staying right? Hope we can share rides etc. I will be in late Friday but should make it to V-23.

Tom

Yes, we're staying at the Red Lion. Also, I'll have a car along with Bruce so I'm certain we'll be okay in that department.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Kermit on November 12, 2018, 08:33:09 PM
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PRE-CONFERENCE SOCIAL

For those interested, we'll be getting together the night before the conference to talk DB Cooper over beers and food at Victor 23 Craft Brewery in Vancouver from 6PM-10PM.

I've updated the conference site https://dbcoopercon.com with the address and other info.

Just a heads up from a local ! Friday Night traffic getting from PDX to V 23 pub can be a nightmare especially the Marine Drive connection to I -5.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 12, 2018, 09:21:01 PM
I was thinking 205, Kerm, and we'll be going at a more reasonable 7-ish... BTW: in case the menu is limited at V-23, can you recommend an eatery nearby? You gonna join us?

But you're correct. Portland-Couve traffic is surprisingly HELLACIOUS.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Kermit on November 12, 2018, 11:48:55 PM
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I was thinking 205, Kerm, and we'll be going at a more reasonable 7-ish... BTW: in case the menu is limited at V-23, can you recommend an eatery nearby? You gonna join us?

But you're correct. Portland-Couve traffic is surprisingly HELLACIOUS.
Stick to V 23 as it sounds like fun !
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 13, 2018, 09:30:25 PM
Bill Mitchell just called. He welcomed the invitation to attend this year's conference but said he was not going to be able to attend.

Bill expressed to me that as time goes by he finds that he can't say much about the case without people twisting things he says and that it can be taxing.

I certainly can appreciate how those on the flight would be quite tired of the public fascination after 47 years.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 13, 2018, 09:32:57 PM
WOW. That is fantastic.

Maybe the Conference can go to Bill's? Sunday afternoon tea? Brewski's and watch the Seahawks....? He's just down the road from me....
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 14, 2018, 12:45:11 AM
Galen just sent me this, and I thought it might be relevant to this discussion:


Looks like I won't be able to attend the conference, even though I would like to.  I trust you guys are going to have fun.  Just so you know, several $20 bill fragments were located about 50 yards downriver from where Brian Ingram's discovery was made.  I interviewed both brothers in person, at Tena's Bar, and their story made sense.  They were both in their early teens at the time, and they both were regular fishermen at Tena's Bar in 1980.  They found the fragments about a month prior to 2/10/1980.  They did not save the fragments, as there was no reason to do this.  But it does cause some further speculation as to the "fragment theory."  I believe that there were more than three packets buried, or, there was more than one burial location.  We know there were fragments, but the fragments discussed do not fit nicely into the "3 packets" found.  The edges of the bills of the 3 packets are consistent in their general pattern as observed.  The "$20" edges are worn off of the bills of the three packets.  But the brothers repeatedly told me that the fragments they observed had the "$20" on the edge of the fragments that they found.  Do you have any info as to what the fragments looked like?  Did any of the fragments have the "$20" on them?

Finally, if Snow attends, ask him what he thinks of Letter #3 appearing in the Montana Gazette.  I'd like his take.

Have a great conference and be sure to video tape it.
Galen
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 14, 2018, 01:25:35 AM
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Galen just sent me this, and I thought it might be relevant to this discussion:

Finally, if Snow attends, ask him what he thinks of Letter #3 appearing in the Montana Gazette.  I'd like his take.

Galen

The letter to the Oregonian was reprinted in the Billings Gazette (not the Montana Gazette) on 12/3/71
Who knows why it was printed there, when they didn't receive it, and not by the Oregonian, who did receive it.

Did any other papers get that picture, by wire service or something?

attached the picture from the Billings Gazette 12/3/71
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 14, 2018, 01:42:51 AM
Galen and I think that the Feds picked the Billings Gazette because they were trying to smoke out any accomplices in central Montana associated with the Paul Cini skyjacking.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 14, 2018, 09:48:34 AM
if you look at the lower right of the snip I attached above, it was distributed by a service called "Photofax"...
in 1971 Photofax was somehow connected with the AP wire service

In this book on AP
https://books.google.com/books?id=jxMLBzrbnFwC&pg=PA325&lpg=PA325

it says in 1952, AP put into service a new kind of reception machine called PhotoFax.
It did not require manual operation and recorded pictures automatically one after another on a roll of paper

So: sure, Billings printed the picture. But the picture went out on the PhotoFax service.
Should be able to find others that may have used it.

I don't think any FBI theory makes any sense.

Small town newspapers are more likely to print the crazy news, I think.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 14, 2018, 09:56:23 AM
Yes, Billings was not the only paper to run the story.

The Santa Maria Times in Santa Maria, California, on 12/3/71 (the same day)
ran an article (they didn't run the picture)

The article is attached. It was on page 8.

They said the letter was sent to the Oregonian, and said
"Am alive and doing well in hometown, P. O."
"The system that beat the system" [which is incorrect: it said "The system that beats the system"]

Any idea that the FBI directed news articles, or was targeting something, is kind of ridiculous?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 14, 2018, 10:02:20 AM
Other papers that ran the story on 12/3/71

Independent, Long Beach, CA, page 9
The Capital Journal, Salem OR, page 7
The Desert Sun, Palm Springs, CA, page 3
Progress Bulletin, Pomona, CA, page 2
Reno Gazette-Journal, Reno, NV page 6
Vancouver Sun, Vancouver, BC, Canada page 40
El Paso Herald-Post, El Paso, Texas, page 12
San Francisco Examiner, San Francisco, CA page 34
The Billings Gazette, Billings, MT page 52

They ran articles that quoted the letter. Billings may have been the only place to run the photo.


Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 14, 2018, 10:22:40 AM
The FBI memo that talks about the letter on 12/2/71 says that it was on yellow paper

The letter was constructed of letters clipped from a magazine and mounted on a piece of yellow paper, and reads "Am alive and doing well in home town P.O. The system that beats the system. D B Cooper." The letter was received in an envelope addressed to the "Editor-Oregonian, 1320 S.W.. Broadway 97201" postmarked P.M., December 1, 1971* U.S. Postal Service 970.


The FBI memo says they sent it to FBI labs
They got fingerprints to exclude people who had touched it.

The Reno Gazette and Vancouver received other letters at the same time (see memo)
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 14, 2018, 10:45:38 AM
I was reading up on the letters.

Saw that Letter #1 and Letter #2 both use "hospitality"
"Thanks for Hospitality" (mailed 11/27/71, arrives 12/29/71, printed 12/29/71 evening, letters from 11/26/71 Modesto Bee)
and
"Thanks for your hospitality" (mailed 11/30/71, printed 12/1/71

Interesting

So I looked in Sheridan's book for the word "hospitality"

It's used 4 times.

Example:

"And what am I to do for all this fine hospitality?" the reporter asked soon after arriving.


So I dunno what that means. Maybe just that people used that word more than you would expect.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on November 14, 2018, 01:28:37 PM
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if you look at the lower right of the snip I attached above, it was distributed by a service called "Photofax"...
in 1971 Photofax was somehow connected with the AP wire service

In this book on AP
https://books.google.com/books?id=jxMLBzrbnFwC&pg=PA325&lpg=PA325

it says in 1952, AP put into service a new kind of reception machine called PhotoFax.
It did not require manual operation and recorded pictures automatically one after another on a roll of paper

So: sure, Billings printed the picture. But the picture went out on the PhotoFax service.
Should be able to find others that may have used it.

I don't think any FBI theory makes any sense.

Small town newspapers are more likely to print the crazy news, I think.


Small town newspapers are more likely to print the crazy news, I think. ... because it was a way of connecting small rural towns to the rest of the world ... in people's minds and in outlook. It was 'good for business'. A small rural town's cultural identity is sometimes set and supported by its area newsletter. [Should we tax farmers for a new highshool? What happened with the Titanic today - special bulletin today!]
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 14, 2018, 01:36:11 PM
Grey quotes 3 other letters (apparently) that I've not found yet

you will never find me
give up
db cooper

And

I am right here portland and the $200,000 is for revolution

And

dear manager,
much of the credit for my success is yours,
I am departing very soon for foreign soil, flying
naturally, thanks again.

D.B. Cooper

Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: FLYJACK on November 14, 2018, 02:20:33 PM
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Grey quotes 2 other letters (apparently) that I've not found yet

you will never find me
give up
db cooper

I am right here portland and the $200,000 is for revolution

that may be one or two letters

And

dear manager,
much of the credit for my success is yours,
I am departing very soon for foreign soil, flying
naturally, thanks again.

D.B. Cooper


One letter is here.. Revolution,,,  getting warm

https://www.oregonlive.com/expo/news/erry-2018/06/cc9c62a1082655/the_real_db_cooper_provided_en.html
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 14, 2018, 03:05:26 PM
Thanks for the Revolution letter Flyjack

Interesting: it was postmarked 12/3/71
it's like there was a flurry of letters right around then

Can't see why people only pay attention to 4 of the letters.

attached the Revolution letter for posterity
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 14, 2018, 03:43:09 PM
Found some details about the "Dear Manager" letter grey referenced in FBI lab reports, along with two other letters that I don't think have been mentioned



Specimens received 12/13/71 from Las Vegas

Q17 Envelope postmarked "HENDERSON, NV DEC 4 AM 1971," bearing hand printed address "Las Vegas Sun 13115  Highland drive Las Vegas, NV [can't read zip]"

Q18 Accompanying 3" by 5" card bearing newspaper cutouts beginning "I'm your hero," ending "Viva Las Vegas, "D. B. Cooper"

Specimens received 12/13/71 from Portland

Q19 Envelope postnarked "CLATSKANIE, OR DEC 6 AM 1971 97016"
bearing handwritten address <redacted> Clatskanie. Oregon 97016"

Q30 Accompanying sheet of paper cutout words beginning "Here! You share," ending "B. D. Cooper"

Specimens received 12/13/71 from Portland

Q31 Envelope postmarked "U.S. POSTAL SERVICE 770 PM 2 DEC 1971," bearing hand printed address "Mr. Airport Manager Portland Airport Portland, Oregon"

Q32 Accompanying one-page hand printed letter beginning "Dear Manager, much," ending "thanks again. D. B. Cooper

Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 14, 2018, 03:44:39 PM
continuing FBI lab report on 3 letters that haven't been discussed
(lab report is from 12/16/71)

Too bad they only summarize start/stop in the 4 page report and not the full letters

From grey's book, the full text of the "Dear Manager" letter is interesting..mentions foreign soil

dear manager,
much of the credit for my success is yours,
I am departing very soon for foreign soil, flying
naturally, thanks again.

D.B. Cooper
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on November 14, 2018, 08:32:58 PM

KOIN speaks with Eric Ulis

https://www.koin.com/news/local/enduring-mystery-of-db-cooper-leads-to-db-coopercon/1595738571
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 14, 2018, 08:46:45 PM
Outstanding news coverage, EU. Thanks, Shut, for posting the link.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 14, 2018, 08:56:09 PM
I was surprised that I was asked about Sheridan. That said, I'm pleased with how it came out. There was about 20 minutes of additional footage and conversation that didn't make the final cut.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 15, 2018, 09:37:54 PM
Just had a nice, and enlightening, conversation with Geoffrey Gray--he is in Mexico City right now and has seen no sign of DBC.

He said he would be unable to attend the conference but asked me to extend his well wishes to all. I believe he'll be at the 2019 version (my guess).
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Lynn on November 17, 2018, 02:37:54 PM
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Just had a nice, and enlightening, conversation with Geoffrey Gray--he is in Mexico City right now and has seen no sign of DBC.

He said he would be unable to attend the conference but asked me to extend his well wishes to all. I believe he'll be at the 2019 version (my guess).
I'm gonna try my level best for 2019. Will have to save up, but will tie it in maybe with a trip to see some friends on the West Coast of Canada and the US. BTW a publisher has asked to see the rest of my DBC fiction book. Fingers and toes crossed...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 17, 2018, 02:40:42 PM
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Just had a nice, and enlightening, conversation with Geoffrey Gray--he is in Mexico City right now and has seen no sign of DBC.

He said he would be unable to attend the conference but asked me to extend his well wishes to all. I believe he'll be at the 2019 version (my guess).
I'm gonna try my level best for 2019. Will have to save up, but will tie it in maybe with a trip to see some friends on the West Coast of Canada and the US. BTW a publisher has asked to see the rest of my DBC fiction book. Fingers and toes crossed...

Very cool. Best of luck.

I have it on good authority that your fiction DB Cooper book in about 35 years could be used as a basis for a new "viable" suspect. Be prepared.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: andrade1812 on November 18, 2018, 05:00:51 PM
Quote
I have it on good authority that your fiction DB Cooper book in about 35 years could be used as a basis for a new "viable" suspect. Be prepared.

Hmmmm.... I feel like this remark might be directed at me....
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 18, 2018, 06:20:35 PM
Well, for those that want an early jump on this future development, I am carrying TWO boxes of Marty's book to the Conference, so you can purchase a copy of Finding DB Cooper - Chasing the Last Lead in American's Only Unsolved Skyjacking directly!

Signed, too, by both Martin Sr. and Jr.!!!

Also on display at the "Book Table" will be a copy of the newly minted tome by Sheridan Peterson, delivered from Snowmman yesterday via the USPS.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 18, 2018, 07:16:40 PM
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I have it on good authority that your fiction DB Cooper book in about 35 years could be used as a basis for a new "viable" suspect. Be prepared.

Hmmmm.... I feel like this remark might be directed at me....

I was referring to the latest flurry of activity around William Smith. That said, I suppose I should have considered your work surrounding Gunther too and been somewhat more diplomatic.

I certainly don't mean to impugn any of your work in that regard. Please accept my apologies on that front. The fact that your work actually comes attached with your name is also commendable. I'm not really a fan of the "anonymous" label in the case of Smith...it strikes me as gimmicky.

Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: andrade1812 on November 18, 2018, 07:40:22 PM
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I have it on good authority that your fiction DB Cooper book in about 35 years could be used as a basis for a new "viable" suspect. Be prepared.

Hmmmm.... I feel like this remark might be directed at me....

I was referring to the latest flurry of activity around William Smith. That said, I suppose I should have considered your work surrounding Gunther too and been somewhat more diplomatic.

I certainly don't mean to impugn any of your work in that regard. Please accept my apologies on that front. The fact that your work actually comes attached with your name is also commendable. I'm not really a fan of the "anonymous" label in the case of Smith...it strikes me as gimmicky.



Thanks, though I always welcome criticism and the exchange of ideas.

The William Smith theory is more fiction than fact, certainly.

I am very sorry I won't be attending the conference but I look forward to seeing whatever recordings come out of it.

And thank you, Bruce.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 18, 2018, 09:50:17 PM
My pleasure, Marty.

As for William Smith and "Anonymous," as per Doug Perry's recent post at the Oregonian on Max Gunther, Dan LeClair and the aforementioned Wm. Smith, these are all good speculations in my view.

Regarding "Anonymous" and the use of his mystery moniker, I am not a big fan of veiled identities for any reason. I have spoken with Anonymous and apprised him of my perspective. But he feels too vulnerable with his position in the military to use his real name, given the current history of unpleasantness in the Vortex.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 18, 2018, 10:03:22 PM
GG has announced the DB Cooper Conference at True HQ Magazine. Unfortunately, I can't cut and past it here.

The buzz is building. Definitely.



Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 18, 2018, 10:06:42 PM
Bruce:
I'm going to PM you with my newly adjusted header layout.
I've seen some people talk about .75" side margins, but I think I'm going to leave it as 0.5" margins. That way page numbes will match the proofs for the final version. Also fewer pages. Nice to keep the book under 1" thick I think

One niggling detail: a pro thing is to remove the running title/author headers on each chapter page.
I was avoiding that, because you need a section break on each chapter, rather than my current page break.

I think I'll suck it up and do that tomorrow, to avoid needling from the maestro, Bruce.

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Well, for those that want an early jump on this future development, I am carrying TWO boxes of Marty's book to the Conference, so you can purchase a copy of Finding DB Cooper - Chasing the Last Lead in American's Only Unsolved Skyjacking directly!

Signed, too, by both Martin Sr. and Jr.!!!

Also on display at the "Book Table" will be a copy of the newly minted tome by Sheridan Peterson, delivered from Snowmman yesterday via the USPS.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 18, 2018, 10:16:05 PM
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GG has announced the DB Cooper Conference at True HQ Magazine. Unfortunately, I can't cut and past it here.

The buzz is building. Definitely.

Bruce, can you email me the link?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 18, 2018, 11:58:30 PM
Done.

And for all:

https://hq.true.ink/t/who-is-d-b-cooper/532?mc_cid=837c7d550a&mc_eid=c0b4dfc8df
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 19, 2018, 04:32:15 PM
More media attention focused on this weekend's 2018 DB Cooper Conference from Boing Boing:

https://boingboing.net/2018/11/19/celebrate-the-mystery-of-db-co.html

Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: DavidV on November 20, 2018, 06:19:21 PM
I want to wish everyone attending the conference a safe and happy time. Afterwards, a Happy Thanksgiving.
Part of me wishes to be there, but I can only do so in spirit. Maybe for the 50th in 2021!
David
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 20, 2018, 06:30:44 PM
More media attention focused on this week's 2018 DB Cooper Conference in Portland at Coast to Coast AM with George Noory.

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/video-first-ever-coopercon-slated-for-this-weekend/
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on November 21, 2018, 10:28:21 AM
I liked Noorys writeup.

Funny how if you are devoted to solving the Amelia Earhart mystery you are seen as an aviation history buff.

But if NORJAK is your focus, you are seen as being fringe. Like a UFO, crop circle or alien abduction buff.

We in the Vortex just can not catch a break.

Looking forward to seeing you all in Portland.

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: FLYJACK on November 21, 2018, 11:38:10 AM
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I liked Noorys writeup.

Funny how if you are devoted to solving the Amelia Earhart mystery you are seen as an aviation history buff.

But if NORJAK is your focus, you are seen as being fringe. Like a UFO, crop circle or alien abduction buff.

We in the Vortex just can not catch a break.

Looking forward to seeing you all in Portland.

377

The VORTEX does attract some lunatics and there are some engaged in psyops...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on November 24, 2018, 10:38:15 AM
The moment anybody has a link to view the video, post it por favor. Hope you're all having a blast.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Lynn on November 24, 2018, 12:10:11 PM
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More media attention focused on this week's 2018 DB Cooper Conference in Portland at Coast to Coast AM with George Noory.

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/video-first-ever-coopercon-slated-for-this-weekend/
Awesome to see, and all the best with the conference. Get lots of video! BTW a UK publisher this week agreed to publish my Cooper fiction novel. Very excited! Wish I could be there but maybe next year. Have a blast!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Lynn on November 24, 2018, 12:16:20 PM
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Well, for those that want an early jump on this future development, I am carrying TWO boxes of Marty's book to the Conference, so you can purchase a copy of Finding DB Cooper - Chasing the Last Lead in American's Only Unsolved Skyjacking directly!

Signed, too, by both Martin Sr. and Jr.!!!

Also on display at the "Book Table" will be a copy of the newly minted tome by Sheridan Peterson, delivered from Snowmman yesterday via the USPS.
Bruce, would I be able to see Sheridan's book? I've been dying to for two years!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on November 25, 2018, 12:33:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvsotoazgxY
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on November 25, 2018, 01:03:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFzuID6HtPc
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 25, 2018, 01:33:49 AM
thanks Shutter.
Any video on Tom Kaye's talk
Really loved seeing 377 in the two vids!

Did anyone ask Tom about palladium and whether he still sticks to his Ti ideas given the McCrone data?

I think Tom's presentation is probably the most important for getting new up to date info!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on November 25, 2018, 01:40:08 AM
I wasn't at the conference. these are the only two video's found so far. maybe more will pop up. Reca is suppose to video tape the event. I'm not sure when that will be available.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on November 25, 2018, 02:01:09 AM
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thanks Shutter.
Any video on Tom Kaye's talk
Really loved seeing 377 in the two vids!

Did anyone ask Tom about palladium and whether he still sticks to his Ti ideas given the McCrone data?

I think Tom's presentation is probably the most important for getting new up to date info!

I sent Tom an email about having found particles resembling a form of Lindlar Catalyst, only with 10% Palladium instead of 5% on calcium carbonate. Not definite, of course. It's used in hydrogenation, both in the petrochemical and food industries, plus for making plastics.

That and the Pyrofuze angle. All I had so far. Been busy.

Can't wait to hear about the presentations.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on November 25, 2018, 02:15:59 AM
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thanks Shutter.
Any video on Tom Kaye's talk
Really loved seeing 377 in the two vids!

Did anyone ask Tom about palladium and whether he still sticks to his Ti ideas given the McCrone data?

I think Tom's presentation is probably the most important for getting new up to date info!

I sent Tom an email about having found particles resembling a form of Lindlar Catalyst, only with 10% Palladium instead of 5% on calcium carbonate. Not definite, of course. It's used in hydrogenation, both in the petrochemical and food industries, plus for making plastics.

That and the Pyrofuze angle. All I had so far. Been busy.

Can't wait to hear about the presentations.

May we know your credentials ?  vote the smileycode and safe
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Robertrand on November 25, 2018, 02:20:58 AM
To all who made it to the Conference, it was great to meet you! (If you didn't, I hope to meet you in the future!) It was my first Conference, so I have nothing to compare it to...but I really enjoyed it. I think Bruce Smith, Tom Kaye and Eric Ulis were the highlight of the day. Their discussions were well prepared and thought provoking! The Reca presentation was well done, but still not very convincing. Overall, it was a great experience!

The Reca presenters also stated that they were going to make the entire unedited conference available. They just don't know how, where or when.

Rob Bertrand
NW Escape Experience
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on November 25, 2018, 02:24:50 AM
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To all who made it to the Conference, it was great to meet you! (If you didn't, I hope to meet you in the future!) It was my first Conference, so I have nothing to compare it to...but I really enjoyed it. I think Bruce Smith, Tom Kaye and Eric Ulis were the highlight of the day. Their discussions were well prepared and thought provoking! The Reca presentation was well done, but still not very convincing. Overall, it was a great experience!

The Reca presenters also stated that they were going to make the entire unedited conference available. They just don't know how, where or when.

Rob Bertrand
NW Escape Experience

Hope people can paste material from the conference to this forum without getting the new DATABASE ERROR! ??   vote the smileycode and safe

How did the conference advance the DB Cooper case?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on November 25, 2018, 02:48:03 AM
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thanks Shutter.
Any video on Tom Kaye's talk
Really loved seeing 377 in the two vids!

Did anyone ask Tom about palladium and whether he still sticks to his Ti ideas given the McCrone data?

I think Tom's presentation is probably the most important for getting new up to date info!

I sent Tom an email about having found particles resembling a form of Lindlar Catalyst, only with 10% Palladium instead of 5% on calcium carbonate. Not definite, of course. It's used in hydrogenation, both in the petrochemical and food industries, plus for making plastics.

That and the Pyrofuze angle. All I had so far. Been busy.

Can't wait to hear about the presentations.

May we know your credentials ?  vote the smileycode and safe

May we know your silence. That was not a question, that was a wish.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Robertrand on November 25, 2018, 03:15:45 AM
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To all who made it to the Conference, it was great to meet you! (If you didn't, I hope to meet you in the future!) It was my first Conference, so I have nothing to compare it to...but I really enjoyed it. I think Bruce Smith, Tom Kaye and Eric Ulis were the highlight of the day. Their discussions were well prepared and thought provoking! The Reca presentation was well done, but still not very convincing. Overall, it was a great experience!

The Reca presenters also stated that they were going to make the entire unedited conference available. They just don't know how, where or when.

Rob Bertrand
NW Escape Experience

Hope people can paste material from the conference to this forum without getting the new DATABASE ERROR! ??   vote the smileycode and safe

How did the conference advance the DB Cooper case?

I can't really say it advanced the case with any new groundbreaking discoveries. But any time a group of passionate Cooper enthusiasts can get together and talk ideas and review the facts without it turning into an argument is a success in my book. As a newbie around here, the networking experience and putting faces to names was invaluable to me.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on November 25, 2018, 03:32:26 AM
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To all who made it to the Conference, it was great to meet you! (If you didn't, I hope to meet you in the future!) It was my first Conference, so I have nothing to compare it to...but I really enjoyed it. I think Bruce Smith, Tom Kaye and Eric Ulis were the highlight of the day. Their discussions were well prepared and thought provoking! The Reca presentation was well done, but still not very convincing. Overall, it was a great experience!

The Reca presenters also stated that they were going to make the entire unedited conference available. They just don't know how, where or when.

Rob Bertrand
NW Escape Experience

Hope people can paste material from the conference to this forum without getting the new DATABASE ERROR! ??   vote the smileycode and safe

How did the conference advance the DB Cooper case?

I can't really say it advanced the case with any new groundbreaking discoveries. But any time a group of passionate Cooper enthusiasts can get together and talk ideas and review the facts without it turning into an argument is a success in my book. As a newbie around here, the networking experience and putting faces to names was invaluable to me.

I cannot stress enough how important making some progress in this case is. The case sits at a crossroads. Thanks for your input.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on November 25, 2018, 11:20:48 AM
Quote
The Reca presenters also stated that they were going to make the entire unedited conference available. They just don't know how, where or when.

This is why I asked for a backup.

Eric, if he hasn't found anyone, tell him I can put the video together and post it for all to see.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 25, 2018, 03:11:31 PM
Just got back from the conference. I think all who attended agree that it was very successful.

We ended up having an attendance of 85 by my count. There were actually 40 that stayed the entire day.

The quality of the presentations was outstanding. And based off the level of input from the audience I think they learned a lot and were brought up to speed on a lot of the new discoveries and suspects developed since 2011.

I think some new things were learned by those of us speaking as well. Tom Kaye gave an outside presentation and actually received some audience feedback that shed some light on a couple of things related to the 2017 findings...frankly it was somewhat above my pay-grade but I got the distinct impression that DBC working in an environment that includes high-end machining seemed to come in to focus a little more.

The media coverage was extensive and great. It is clear that the appetite for this type of conference on an annual basis exists. In fact, I have had a handful of people reach out to me in the last few hours saying that they just heard about the conference and that they want to attend next year's version.

The opportunity to get together over beers and food at Victor 23 Craft Brewery in Vancouver on the night before the conference and immediately after the conference concluded was a lot of fun too. Several people from the area showed up to meet those of us who spoke and ask questions. It strikes me that the social component is just as enjoyable as the lecture component in this type of event.

I think the manner in which the conference schedule was structured was a home run too. The first section dealt with the parachutes, tie particles and Tena Bar. The second section dealt with the suspects. And, the third section dealt with a panel discussion in which the audience was invited to play an active part, and, we closed with some give-aways which of course everyone enjoyed.

I must say that 377 graciously offered to contribute financially to the event yesterday. I turned him down but he insisted and ultimately generously contributed financially to the conference. Also, everyone who presented traveled own their own dime and I am grateful for that because without the high-quality presenters the conference wouldn't have been a success.

The entire conference was filmed by Vern Jones' production company. The raw footage will be provided to me in the near future. At that point I'll determine the best way to get a watchable version of the conference online or on DVD.

In closing, I'm committed to a similar conference next year as well. This year's conference provided a solid baseline to plan from and will enable me to make some improvements primarily in the availability of food.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on November 25, 2018, 03:26:32 PM
Did Bryan Woodruff show up?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on November 25, 2018, 03:58:02 PM
Bryan Woodruff was there. I saw him in the audience and engaged him during a break. He had some handwritten notes that came out of the DB Cooper Ha Ha Ha book that he said proved something important but I couldn’t understand what they proved.  He just couldn’t explain it in a way that was understandable to me. I had to catch a plane and only stayed for the first hour and a half of the conference. Bryan was the guy wearing a T-shirt with a round a parachute on the back.

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on November 25, 2018, 07:36:04 PM
He made a new logo for the store...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Robertrand on November 25, 2018, 07:58:44 PM
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Bryan Woodruff was there. I saw him in the audience and engaged him during a break. He had some handwritten notes that came out of the DB Cooper Ha Ha Ha book that he said proved something important but I couldn’t understand what they proved.  He just couldn’t explain it in a way that was understandable to me. I had to catch a plane and only stayed for the first hour and a half of the conference. Bryan was the guy wearing a T-shirt with a round a parachute on the back.

377

Bryan was there the entire day and came out to Victor 23 afterwards. We talked for a few hours.  I got a good look at his letters too, but couldn't understand what he was getting at.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on November 25, 2018, 08:01:52 PM
He's still a good guy. hard to understand but a good guy.  :))
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on November 25, 2018, 11:49:59 PM
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He's still a good guy. hard to understand but a good guy.  :))

I second that ...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 26, 2018, 12:27:51 AM
Cooperites celebrate the 47th Anniversary of the skyjacking with conference

From the Mountain News: Conference, 2018, Overview, 11. 25. 18

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The 47th Anniversary of the DB Cooper skyjacking was celebrated with a gathering of experts and aficionados to discuss the details of the case, and ponder new evidence and suspects.

On November 24, 1971, DB Cooper hijacked a Northwest Orient 727 enroute to Seattle from Portland, and after he jumped from the aft stairs with $200,000 in twenties tethered to his waist, nothing has ever been discovered – neither his identity, fate, or any of his gear or booty. However, $6,200 of ransom money was found on a Columbia River beach in 1980, but that discovery also defies explanation. DB Cooper's daring-do has been feted every since, and this anniversary was no exception. The DB Cooper heist, known to law enforcement as NORJAK, remains the only unsolved skyjacking in American history. Nevertheless, the FBI officially closed the case in 2016.

Approximately 100 people gathered Saturday, November 2018 at the Edgewater Country Club in Portland, Oregon to share opinions, sell books and DVDs on the case, and network with each other. It was the third such gathering in recent memory, with a major conference in Portland in 2011, and a smaller affair in Tacoma at the Washington State Historical Museum in 2013.

The first half of this year's conference featured experts in the case illustrating the fundamentals of the case, and revealing new understandings of this iconic mystery.

First to speak was parachute expert, Mark Metzler, known in DB Cooper chat rooms as “377.” Metzler described in detail the differences in construction between military and civilian parachutes, claiming that skydivers using sport chutes such as the Pioneer Steinthal that was found unused on Cooper's plane when it landed for refueling in Reno, Nevada, must deploy at speeds below 150 mph. However, military parachutes are more rugged, with shroud lines enveloping the entire canopy, and can handle much higher speeds. Cooper's plane, Flight 305 was traveling closer to 200 mph when Cooper jumped, and thus the military chute that might have been aboard, such as a NB-6 or NB-8 – both emergency parachutes for navy fliers – would have been adequate. Metzler said that the NB-8 would most likely contain a 28-foot C-9 parachute, whereas the NB-6 would contain a 26-foot conical chute.

But the exact nature of the parachute DB Cooper used is shrouded in mystery. The FBI's technical expert on parachutes, Earl Cossey, says Cooper had a NB-6 or NB-8. However, Norman Hayden, whom FBI documents reveal delivered these back chutes to NWO and owned them, says he only gave civilian Pioneer rigs containing Steinthals. FBI documents and statements by case agents vary greatly on this subject and Cooper World reels, trying to resolve this dilemma. Adding to the struggle Cossey was murdered in 2013, and his death is also unsolved.

Next up was yours truly, talking about the money find at Tina Bar in 1980. I discussed three apparent money finds at this Columbia River beach, about fifteen miles downstream from where the 2018 Conference was held.

The first money find was the iconic discovery of three bundles of twenties by Brian Ingram, the 8-year old kid smoothing a sandy stretch of strand for his family to roast hot dogs. On Sunday, February 10, 1980, his fingers scraped across the top of the bundles and then he dug them out. They were all in severely weathered condition, compressed, and missing the corners and edges. Subsequent examination of the serial numbers revealed that these bills were from the Cooper ransom, and this discovery remains the only incontrovertible piece of evidence in NORJAK.

The second money find occurred three days later when FBI agents from the Portland Division, under the command of SA Ralph Himmelsbach, descended on the beach and started digging in the sand where Brian had found his three bundles. Himmelsbach says his team found shards of money in the original discovery area down to a depth of three feet.

The Public Information Officer on the scene, Dorwin Schreuder, has told many researchers that they found pieces of money stretching over an area 20-feet in all directions from the spot where Brian found his twenties. Schreuder also says that the shards were recovered from depths of 3-4 feet, and some were as big as 2-3 inches across. A KATU-TV video shows these larger pieces of ransom money and their placement into plasticine evidence envelopes. However, none of these envelopes are in evidence in Seattle, and as far as is known have never been seen in public. The only money pieces in FBI possession that have been witnessed, such as by the Citizen Sleuth Team in 2009 and 2011, are hundreds of itsy-bitsy pieces that look more like dust particles than remnants of a twenty-dollar bill.

Himmelsbach says that all the money recovered at T-Bar went to Seattle, but he retired from the Bureau two weeks after the money find, and his subsequent investigations of the money are unknown. But his PIO, SA Schreuder, took over his skyjacking duties at the Portland FBI office, and he told this reported that he assumed a passive perspective on the case, only responding to clues brought into the FBI by the public. Thus, it is understood that after the February money find at T-Bar, the rest of the Columbia River river bank was never searched for more money or evidence – not even Cooper's body.

Into that breach DB Cooper researcher Galen Cook began contacting beach owners near Tina Bar, and talked to local fishermen. Cook says that he found two men who were teenagers in 1980, and they say that they fished the river regularly in the T-Bar area. They claim that in January 1980 – one month before the Brian Ingram find – they found dozens of torn corners of twenty-dollar bills laying in the sand about 100 feet downstream from Brian's spot. This third discovery remains uncorroborated, and thus is highly controversial.

The next speaker was Tom Kaye, the head of the Citizen Sleuth Team (CST). Kaye discussed the particles found on the tie reportedly left behind by DB Cooper, in particular the recent discovery of 100,000 rare earth minerals and other exotic or unusual chemical deposits.

First was a history of the initial examination by the CST using their electron microscope. They found hundreds of particles, and most prominent was pure titanium.

“In 1971, titanium was not common,” said Kaye, “and was not used in sporting goods as it is today, and was found mostly in aviation applications, such as Boeing's SST.” But the SST uses titanium alloys, so the CST explored the titanium mining and extraction process to see where pure Ti could be found in quantity and how it might land on a thin, black tie.

Kaye and his CST found that titanium is extracted from “titanium sand” and was selectively removed by two different chemical processes. One, the Kroll Process, uses chlorine and the other, the Hunter Process, uses sodium to “suck out” the titanium from the sand.

However, the CST also found large amounts of mineral salts on the tie, and the sodium process leaves NaCl residues, which is the primary component of salt. Surprisingly, the sodium process is only used in one manufacturing plant, RMI, which is located in Illinois. Kaye and the CST thought that RMI might be the site where DB Cooper worked long enough as an engineer or manager to adsorb titanium and salt on his tie, but officials at RMI said they had no employees resembling the DB Cooper sketch working in the pre-skyjacking period.

Seemingly at a dead end, the tie investigation took a dramatic turn in 2015 when the Travel Channel interviewed Tom Kay for an Expedition Unknown episode on DB Cooper. During the resulting conversations, the host of the show, Josh Gates, decided to contribute the monies to examine the tie at a state-of-the art laboratory, the McCrone Institute in Illinois.

The McCrone labs used a high-end ASPEX 3025 SEM electron microscope to examine the tie particles. Kaye says they found additional Antimony, Cerium, Cerium Lanthanum, and other phosphors, and Barium, plus cutting tool and match-head residues, and elements of gold and platinum, presumably from the tie clip of other jewelry use with the tie. Also, the NaCl was an industrial type of salt, and not the kind of table salt found on French Fries. In addition, they also found a substance called “frit,” which is a powder used to fuse glasses together, and shards of stainless steel, but not regular steel.

Taken in sum, Kaye offered this analysis:

The phosphors, ceriums and antimony are indicative of cathode ray tube manufacturing. The cutting tool residues also suggest a manufacturing environment, as does the stainless steel and frit. Kaye said that the primary location for these kinds of elements would be the Tektronix plant in Portland, which was the leading manufacturer of oscilloscopes in the country in 1971. Lastly, the match head residues indicate a heavy smoker, and the tie itself suggests a manager or engineer.

“This is the hottest lead in Cooper World,” Kaye pronounced.

As for the afternoon, the bulk of the time was dedicated to a rendition of suspects by their leading advocates. Peter Rouse, a resident of Astoria, Oregon, spoke about the connection between Norman DeWinter and Robert Rackstraw. Although highly personalized - Rouse talked about his personal involvement with DeWinter - he offered no new information on Rackstraw as DB Cooper.

But many Rackstraw advocates were in attendance, including Russ and Kristy Cooper, the residents of Portland who informed Tom Colbert of the possible DBC burial sites in LaConner, WA where the money and parachutes might be found. The Coopers and other individuals from that retrieval effort, such as Jim Erwin, were in the audience and spoke informally during the conference.

Bradley Collins, who has written a book claiming his father was DB Cooper, was also in attendance, but did not speak publicly. Nevertheless, he was active in smaller groupings.

Next on stage was Vern Jones, the publisher of the Walter Reca story, penned by Carl Laurin. Jones offered a detailed and authoritative description of the Reca saga. Jones also established a wonderful bonhomie with the audience and other DBC experts by saying, “I know that much of what I am going to tell you is going to rub you the wrong way, such as the flight path. I acknowledge that, and we want to be transparent about it, but it is the Walter Reca story as told by Carl Laurin. It's what we've got.”

In essence, Walter Reca was a rough fellow and part-time thief who was an expert skydiver. In 1971 he decided that it was “Better to be Dead than Poor,” and stole NWO Flight 305. The Reca story has him landing in Cle Elum, WA, due east of Seattle and a long ways from the Victor-23 air corridor that DB Cooper was supposedly following south of Sea-Tac airport.

Later, Reca was absolved of this crime and recruited into a contract position for an unnamed intelligence agency of the United States Government. After a period of training where his “head was sculpted” Reca performed off-the-books operations, including assassinations, in 34 countries worldwide. Jones' presentation of Reca's passports was fascinating, with stamps and official certifications overflowing from the pages in dozens of languages.

Jones' presentation was highly professional and well-received, even if widely doubted.

Lastly, Conference host and organizer, Eric Ulis, delivered his up-to-date analysis of Sheridan Peterson as the leading suspect for DB Cooper. New revelations included the secret bank account Peterson had in Singapore, and the fact that his second wife – with whom he lived in Nepal and was his primary alibi – was not dead as he had reported to the FBI, but rather, was still alive according to Peterson family members that Ulis has contacted in the past few weeks.

Peterson, 92, is living in central California. His “lightly fictionalized” account of the Vietnam War, An Idiot's Frightful Laughter, has recently been published by the Cooperite known as “Snowmman” and was available for viewing at the Conference. It is for sale at Lulu.com, with all proceeds going to Peterson. Ulis and others feel that many of the elements of the DB Cooper skyjacking are confirmed or revealed in Peterson's book, such as descriptions of harsh parachute jumps. Regardless, it is a searing war account and worthy of a read.

Following the Conference many attendees and presenters flocked to the Victor-23 pub in nearby Vancouver. The wateringhole is chummy craft brewery, with a wall mural depicting a Northwest Orient 727 discharging its passengers, and the good vibes of the Conference continued.

In fact, most of the presenters met there before the Conference. Mark Metzler, Eric Ulis, Tom Kaye and yours truly arrived there early in Friday evening, and met Dirk Wierenga and Dave S, who comprised the video crew from Principia filming the gathering. Vern Jones and his wife Irene joined us in the course of events. A Pilsner called "Skyjacker blonde" was delicious as was rumored another Pilsner, named the “Schaffner” after flight attendant Florence Schaffner, but was sold out. Further, the wall mural of Cooper's 727 is actually a "200" series and not the 100 that Cooper flew, I was informed. The 200 has an aft fuselage door on the starboard side, which the 100 does not, besides the customary ventral aft stairways.

Both Friday and Saturday evenings numerous locals came by and shared a beer with us and the roomful of Cooperites, including podcasters Darren Schaefer, and his editor "Ben." "Vince" from Olympia hung with us through the night and videoed many presenters and attendees for later broadcast.

On Saturday, I sat with Ron Bertrand, who runs the NW Escape Experience and features the DB Cooper Escape Room, where someone last summer broke in to rob the place and couldn't get out and had to call 911 to be arrested and "freed," so to speak.

Rob is a major DB Cooper figure in Portland. Very passionate and informed.

Clyde Lewis, the host of Portland's Ground Zero Radio, came to the conference at the end of the afternoon and joined us at V-23. There he regaled us with his numerous encounters with DB Cooper suspect, Wolfgang Gossett, who died a few years ago in Depoe Bay, Oregon. Those two gentlemen were entangled in the extreme, with encounters in Utah, Oregon, talk radio, and personal healings. Lewis even lived two block away from Gossett's last wife. Clyde should write a book about his personal relationship with “Wolfie,” and about Gossett regardless of the DB Cooper angle. Wolfie and Clyde are just two extraordinary, weird, fascinating guys.

Clyde also told us many stories from his Ground Zero radio show, which is broadcast nationally. His tales of research on the fringe, such as MKULTRA, Area 51, and reverse engineering of UFOs at Hangar 18 at Wright-Paterson were captivating. Many Cooperites loved it, as I did, but not all.

Another conferee at V-23 was Dan Wyatt, who runs the Kiggins Theatre in Portland. Wyatt produced a DB Cooper radio show there on Wednesday evening, which folks at V-23 said was fantastic.

One of the eye-catching dimensions of the conference - and the pub - was that half the folks were Millennials, 30-years and younger. I was impressed. They asked lots of questions, too. One woman named Katie asked questions all day and all evening, too. Took notes, too. First time I ever saw a marbleized notebook in a tavern....

Everyone I talked with thought the conference was a success and they now want an annual gathering. Most also want an "Ariel tavern-style" party to accompany the conference. Bryan Woodruff, son of Dona Elliott, the late owner of the Ariel Tavern and DB Cooper Party Hostess, was in attendance at V-23, and voiced support for these ideas.

One of the hallmarks of the conference, and certainly evenings at the Victor-23 pub, was the lack of animosity - the total opposite of the current bickering on the DB Cooper Forum. Some folks came into the conference in a cautious manner, such as Kristy Cooper and her husband Russ Cooper. When Kristy introduced herself to me, I said, "Ah, I have been tracking you two for a long time!"

"Yes, I know," Kristy replied, with a slight smile. Nevertheless, we talked about working cooperatively in the future, and that might be a possibility. But their leader, Tom Colbert, needs to give the okay for Kristy and Russ to feel comfortable with that arrangement. But she bought my book, so....

As for next year, Eric Ulis says that he is committed to producing another Conference. He also announced that Mark Metzler made a substantial contribution to this year's Conference, which was free to the public. Details will follows as plans are developed.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 26, 2018, 03:54:32 AM
Thanks for this Bruce. Very good summary

I would quibble with this one thing:

You say:
"But the exact nature of the parachute DB Cooper used is shrouded in mystery. The FBI's technical expert on parachutes, Earl Cossey, says Cooper had a NB-6 or NB-8. However, Norman Hayden, whom FBI documents reveal delivered these back chutes to NWO and owned them, says he only gave civilian Pioneer rigs containing Steinthals. FBI documents and statements by case agents vary greatly on this subject and Cooper World reels, trying to resolve this dilemma."

The FBI documents do not vary greatly.
The variance that does exist is trivial. The wrong data by the National Guard who inspected the left-behind chute when it was found in Reno.
A poor id when the chutes where being delivered, and noted in a memo by an SA

But there are plenty of memos that are fully consistent.

The inconsistency only comes from Cossey, Ckret, and Hayden's poor memory of what rigs and canopies he had then, when you interviewed him recently.

Yes it is unclear who said it was a NB6 with a 28 foot canopy. It was likely Cossey.

The description of the Pioneer as "civilian luxury" was poor.

But: I don't think the FBI docs have inconsistencies like you claim. The inconsistencies arose from Ckret's interview of Cossey, Cossey interviews for newspapers, and your current Hayden interview.

Don't you agree? I don't think you have much in terms of inconsistent FBI memos, other than the small things (explainable) that I outlined?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on November 26, 2018, 01:39:11 PM
A solid post DB Cooper Con article from the Oregonian today.

https://www.oregonlive.com/expo/news/erry-2018/11/72c60e505e9496/with-new-evidence-db-cooper-co.html
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 26, 2018, 11:12:17 PM
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Thanks for this Bruce. Very good summary

I would quibble with this one thing:

You say:
"But the exact nature of the parachute DB Cooper used is shrouded in mystery. The FBI's technical expert on parachutes, Earl Cossey, says Cooper had a NB-6 or NB-8. However, Norman Hayden, whom FBI documents reveal delivered these back chutes to NWO and owned them, says he only gave civilian Pioneer rigs containing Steinthals. FBI documents and statements by case agents vary greatly on this subject and Cooper World reels, trying to resolve this dilemma."

The FBI documents do not vary greatly.
The variance that does exist is trivial. The wrong data by the National Guard who inspected the left-behind chute when it was found in Reno.
A poor id when the chutes where being delivered, and noted in a memo by an SA

But there are plenty of memos that are fully consistent.

The inconsistency only comes from Cossey, Ckret, and Hayden's poor memory of what rigs and canopies he had then, when you interviewed him recently.

Yes it is unclear who said it was a NB6 with a 28 foot canopy. It was likely Cossey.

The description of the Pioneer as "civilian luxury" was poor.

But: I don't think the FBI docs have inconsistencies like you claim. The inconsistencies arose from Ckret's interview of Cossey, Cossey interviews for newspapers, and your current Hayden interview.

Don't you agree? I don't think you have much in terms of inconsistent FBI memos, other than the small things (explainable) that I outlined?

"Small things" - ? We still don't know with any substantive degree of certainty what kind of parachute DB Cooper had on his back as he leapt into the sky. But here is my quick take on the inconsistencies, who created them, and what certain documents might tell us.

1. Hayden said he delivered two civilian Pioneers with 26-foot Steinthauls.
2. The FBI summary reports say that Hayden owned the back chutes delivered. This report makes no mention of Earl Cossey.
3. The summary report says that a military chute and a civilian chute were given to Cooper.
4. The notion of a military chute being in this mix comes from Cossey.
5. Cossey said the owned the back chutes, and that Hayden is FOS.
6. Cossey said that he delivered a military chute and a civilian chute, which corroborates the FBI's summary report.
7. Ckret publicly declared that Cossey owned the abovementioned chutes and delivered them to NWO.
8. Early 302s declare that an NB-6 was delivered to NWO.
9. In 2009, Cossey told me that this NB-6 was overstuffed with a 28-foot chute.
10. Later, Cossey told me that the NB-6 story was false, and that he delivered an NB-8.
11. Much later, Cossey told me that this NB-8 had been significantly modified and the position of the rip cord had been changed and the handle hidden under a protective flap. Because of these mods the chute required a two-step process in pulling: out-and-then-up. As a result, Cossey decaled that Cooper was a no-pull and cratered.
12. All through the many interviews with Cossey, he steadfastly held to the tale that he sent these back chutes to Boeing Field in a taxi, and then they went to Sea-Tac via private car. When I asked him why he sent them to the wrong airport, he said "F-U" and hung up the phone. He was murdered two months later.

When I ponder these stories with the new found Cooper bonhomie created by the Conference, I am not too upset with the vagaries of the parachutes. I used to get in a tizzy, but not now. Maybe Cooper jumped with a NB-8, maybe a Pioneer. Who knows? Maybe we will one day...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 26, 2018, 11:19:53 PM
agreed on all that.
I was just pointing out that a lot of that is not in the FBI memos.
The FBI memos, by themselves, are relatively consistent.

It's a fair question, that if the FBI memos seem straightforward, how and why did it get so complicated?

And why did Ckret get it so wrong?

I never really believed Ckret was a good DBC researcher. And he had all the files.
This just proves it, in my mind.

Ckret let us all believe the untaken rig was some real skydiving rig, when it wasn't.

It's so funny that no one over the years went and talked to Hayden to get a picture. Only you.
Really lucky it was still there and you could get pictures.

Imagine if we were still talking about it as if it was a skydiving rig, and superior in any way.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 26, 2018, 11:49:23 PM
Yes, I suppose that the FBI documents on the back chutes are consistent to themselves. They may be accurate, or not, and may not be consistent to statements others make, but to themselves they are consistent.

Namely, the 302s describe an NB-6.

Addendum: However, the summary report says Hayden was the owner. Hence, it is fair to assume that Hayden's statement that both back chutes were identical is true. Therefore, the summary report is in conflict with the 302s that discuss the back chutes. I suppose that is a technical inconsistency within the documentation.

In addition, I think it is fair to assume that Larry Carr didn't read the 302s or summary report in full, or didn't understand them. Rather, he seems to have followed the prevailing narrative that Cossey was truthful and a military chute was presented to Cooper and selected. Or Larry was duped by his superiors in the Bureau to tell a false narrative to satisfy some hidden agenda, or he lied for yet undisclosed reasons, or was too lazy to know any better.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 26, 2018, 11:51:52 PM
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...And why did Ckret get it so wrong?

I never really believed Ckret was a good DBC researcher. And he had all the files.
This just proves it, in my mind.

Ckret let us all believe the untaken rig was some real skydiving rig, when it wasn't.

It's so funny that no one over the years went and talked to Hayden to get a picture. Only you.
Really lucky it was still there and you could get pictures.

Imagine if we were still talking about it as if it was a skydiving rig, and superior in any way.


Thanks.

Double thanks for sending me Hayden's contact information and address, too!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on November 27, 2018, 12:03:38 AM
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...And why did Ckret get it so wrong?

I never really believed Ckret was a good DBC researcher. And he had all the files.
This just proves it, in my mind.

Ckret let us all believe the untaken rig was some real skydiving rig, when it wasn't.

It's so funny that no one over the years went and talked to Hayden to get a picture. Only you.
Really lucky it was still there and you could get pictures.

Imagine if we were still talking about it as if it was a skydiving rig, and superior in any way.


Thanks.

Double thanks for sending me Hayden's contact information and address, too!

And my assessment is you and Snow have 90% of the readership so totally confused (and or pissed) they gave up on this years ago!  Thats why his parents sent Trump off to military school at age 14! To get rid of him and his psychosis in their lives!! One might dub this the Mucklow reaction? 

What's a parachute? :rofl:
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 27, 2018, 01:44:25 AM
The key takeaway for any supposed readership is this:

Everything you read about Cooper's parachute selection on the plane, indicating he was whuffo...like both FBI agents and the newspapers said, was wrong.

It was not clarified until the FBI memos were fully released in the last couple of years, and Bruce did the footwork that showed the FBI memos were right, and all the newspaper articles and FBI agents talking about chute selection indicating whuffo, were wrong.

It's important. That's why Bruce harps on it.

AND: we still can't be sure if the FBI info about 28 ft canopy is right or wrong.
A new thing is that I found the 1.1 oz fabric weight in the FBI files.

If Cossey id'ed the packed canopy as 28 ft incorrectly, then all these years, they've been looking at found chutes and dismissing them if not 28 ft...that all could be in error. And maybe Cooper's chute was found and dismissed!

So it's all a big deal. Bruce is right to continue to be the one to point out that there's still fuzziness and possible bad implications to the way this was all done and recorded. And we can't fix it: because Cossey's dead so we can't have an interview (and Cossey wouldn't tell the truth anyhow)
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Darren on November 27, 2018, 12:43:19 PM
The conference was great! Thank you to everyone who spoke and everyone who came. I'm so thankful that Eric Ulis put this event on, it was awesome to get together.

An article on the conference by Courthouse News.

https://www.courthousenews.com/sleuths-talk-possible-suspects-at-db-cooper-convention/
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on November 27, 2018, 01:13:38 PM
Cossey introduced so much noise into the parachute gear spectrum that it's hard to discern the signal.

I share some of the concern expressed that the real Cooper chute could have been dismissed due to Cossey's inaccurate and inconsistent canopy info.

Why did Cossey screw things up so much? What was his motive? Just a joker or troublemaker? Or was it something else?

I asked Bruce again about Cossey telling him that one of the canopies was a PARADISE type. Bruce confirmed that Cossey did say that. It's nuts.

I am 99% sure that Cooper jumped either a 26 ft Navy Conical or a 28 ft C9 round. I have jumped both. Both are tough as hell and quite reliable.

Sport mains were almost never FAA approved (TSO) as emergency bailout canopies. Also in 71, military surplus canopies that were FAA approved for emergency use were plentiful and cheap hence their widespread use.

We owe Eric Ulis for his gracious generosity in sponsoring the event and making it 100% free. The venue was convenient (close to PDX) and swanky (a country club). The V 23 pub gathering was so much fun. Looking forward to the next one.

Wish I could understand what Bryan Woodruff was trying to communicate. It has something to do with the book DB Cooper HA HA HA. It seemed very important to him but I just could not understand what it was.

377





Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on November 27, 2018, 02:09:55 PM
I have the HA HA HA book.

Surprisingly,  copies go for $150+ on Amazon right now.
someone just listed one for $39 though.

Apparently only 6000 copies were printed.

Blevins needs to take an economics course and study supply/demand pricing models.

It's just a silly book though.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on November 27, 2018, 02:41:29 PM
Crazy high Amazon asking prices are rarely paid by purchasers. It creates a real problem. If a seller sees a book listed at say $250 on Amazon that is identical to one he has, he feels compelled to list it at a comparable price lest he foolishly underprice it. Pretty soon all sellers want at least $200 for a common book. Today the bookstores look at Amazon before they price used books, so the brick and mortar price becomes crazy high as well. This results in a big unsold inventory of overpriced books.

My favorite local used bookstore had an aviation book that I was mildly interested in, but it sat on the shelf for a year unsold at $25. Recently I noted that the owner had changed the price to $175. The reason? One was listed on Amazon for that price. Crazy.

But my rare copies of Sheridan's book are an exception. They are truly worth a fortune. I will sell one for a genuine Cooper twenty with the full SN intact or $5000 in circulated US currency.  I'll let Bruce sell his copy first, however, since his needs exceed mine.

Actually my copies are spoken for. One goes to EU as thanks for sponsoring the conference. One goes to my wife who wants both Sheridan and Snowmman to personally autograph her copy at a lunch which we will schedule in Santa Rosa as soon as Sheridan's rage cools sufficiently. The last goes to my son who is developing an interest in the case.

377

Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 27, 2018, 06:51:14 PM
I ain't selling my copy, but I will read it to you over the phone, or at the V-23 pub. You're buying.... Donations go to Sheridan, or the Joint Petey-Cousin Brucie Nicaragua Resettlement Fund.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: MarkBennett on November 28, 2018, 12:06:45 AM
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I have the HA HA HA book.

Surprisingly,  copies go for $150+ on Amazon right now.
someone just listed one for $39 though.

Apparently only 6000 copies were printed.

Blevins needs to take an economics course and study supply/demand pricing models.

It's just a silly book though.

The "Ha Ha Ha" book was a bit overhyped as a Cooper book.  The last page is an invitation to the DB Cooper days.  The Cooper stuff appears only at the beginning and the end.  My thought was the basic book was unrelated to Cooper and the stuff was added later to hype the event.  The Arial Tavern had several boxes of the book and sold them for $2 each.

eVickiW and I bought a few and sold them on Amazon for a small profit (not $250 apiece, but close to $70).  When you sell them, you see who the buyer is.  One of the buyers was Lyle Christiansen (Kenny's brother) in Morris, MN.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Robertrand on November 28, 2018, 02:39:24 AM
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I have the HA HA HA book.

Surprisingly,  copies go for $150+ on Amazon right now.
someone just listed one for $39 though.

Apparently only 6000 copies were printed.

Blevins needs to take an economics course and study supply/demand pricing models.

It's just a silly book though.

I bought a copy off Bryan for $20 bucks at the conference. I had no idea it was so valuable!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 28, 2018, 02:48:52 AM
I remember when they were 2 bucks apiece at the Ariel Tavern. 2013?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 305noir on November 28, 2018, 09:52:22 PM
Hello everyone. I had such a great time at the conference! I didn't have any idea what to expect and was impressed with every detail.

Each presenter was so engaging and interesting.  I didn't get a chance to meet + compliment all of you, so I really wanted to say this here. To see your camaraderie despite your different theories was cool.

I enjoyed all of those who I got to talk with at the conference. I had no idea this community existed. Thank you, Bruce, for mentioning this forum to me.

I tend to be shy on posting and have a lot of reading up to do, but I still might chime in once in a while.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on November 28, 2018, 10:01:01 PM
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Hello everyone. I had such a great time at the conference! I didn't have any idea what to expect and was impressed with every detail.

Each presenter was so engaging and interesting.  I didn't get a chance to meet + compliment all of you, so I really wanted to say this here. To see your camaraderie despite your different theories was cool.

I enjoyed all of those who I got to talk with at the conference. I had no idea this community existed. Thank you, Bruce, for mentioning this forum to me.

I tend to be shy on posting and have a lot of reading up to do, but I still might chime in once in a while.


Hello 305,

I'm glad you enjoyed the conference. if you have any questions about the case just post it up and someone will respond..

Shutter

 vote the smileycode and safe
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on November 28, 2018, 11:56:56 PM
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Hello everyone. I had such a great time at the conference! I didn't have any idea what to expect and was impressed with every detail.

Each presenter was so engaging and interesting.  I didn't get a chance to meet + compliment all of you, so I really wanted to say this here. To see your camaraderie despite your different theories was cool.

I enjoyed all of those who I got to talk with at the conference. I had no idea this community existed. Thank you, Bruce, for mentioning this forum to me.

I tend to be shy on posting and have a lot of reading up to do, but I still might chime in once in a while.

We have not heard about what happened at the conference! We are in the dark.

Can you supply that info ?

Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 29, 2018, 03:58:08 AM
I posted my report, G, here and at the MN. There are lots o' pix with the piece at the Mountain News, too. FYI.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on November 29, 2018, 01:33:32 PM
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I posted my report, G, here and at the MN. There are lots o' pix with the piece at the Mountain News, too. FYI.

got a url for the thousands who didnt see it?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on November 29, 2018, 04:11:20 PM
Click----The Mountain News (https://themountainnewswa.net/2018/11/25/db-cooper-cooperites-celebrate-the-47th-anniversary-of-the-skyjacking-with-conference/)
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 03, 2018, 05:41:23 PM
One of the interesting dynamics to surface at the Conference this year was the interest in DBC by so many young people. One-third of the audience seemed to be under 30 years old, or thereabouts.

The conference also triggered ripple effects of interest, most obviously through the wide-spread media coverage of the conference and the 47th Anniversary, and youngins' responded to that also.

One instance is a group of students at Pacific Lutheran Universality, led by a woman named Helen Smith and assisted by a fellow named Garrett, who reached out to me to talk about Cooper for their project on Washington State History. Here is their interview of me at PLU in their media lab. They wanted to know about Cooper as a person and skyjacker, and they wanted to know the details of the case and how it involved Washington. They had no interest in suspects, which was a welcomed change from most interviews that I have participated in.

PLU:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/143p-R2f6lDRHS2oVHqzaCAdc5NAleFAD/view?usp=sharing

Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 03, 2018, 07:43:54 PM
couldn't play the audio file....
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 03, 2018, 08:46:38 PM
played ok for me.
you have to click okay in the popup that Google tells you it's too big to scan for viruses.
then it plays (after you hit the triangle)

quiet at first.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 03, 2018, 09:17:42 PM
Yeah, and turn up the volume.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 03, 2018, 09:22:43 PM
did that....let me try again..
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on December 03, 2018, 11:26:21 PM
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One of the interesting dynamics to surface at the Conference this year was the interest in DBC by so many young people. One-third of the audience seemed to be under 30 years old, or thereabouts.

The conference also triggered ripple effects of interest, most obviously through the wide-spread media coverage of the conference and the 47th Anniversary, and youngins' responded to that also.

One instance is a group of students at Pacific Lutheran Universality, led by a woman named Helen Smith and assisted by a fellow named Garrett, who reached out to me to talk about Cooper for their project on Washington State History. Here is their interview of me at PLU in their media lab. They wanted to know about Cooper as a person and skyjacker, and they wanted to know the details of the case and how it involved Washington. They had no interest in suspects, which was a welcomed change from most interviews that I have participated in.

PLU:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/143p-R2f6lDRHS2oVHqzaCAdc5NAleFAD/view?usp=sharing

... on the other hand, got word late last week that three more named people in the 1980s Cooper investigation are now - silent keys. Every year adds more.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 04, 2018, 10:42:21 PM
Conference Video Update

Shutter called me today to chat Cooper and the Reca Crew. In the course of events we spoke about the video that Vern Jones, the publisher of the Reca book, was making, and he suggested that I post what I know and what I'm anticipating in the near future.

Vern Jones is much more than just a publisher. As the owner of Principia Media he also has a sizeable videographing program, and two members of it, Dirk Wierenger and Dave Somebody filmed at the Conference. They produced over eight hours of high-quality footage. Now somebody has to edit it, add captions and such, and make it look professional. That's gonna take time.

Further, Principia, and Dirk Wierenga in particular, has a second DB Cooper project going, and that is taking up Dirk's time. In fact, he has been on the road filming Cooper stuff for a month or thereabouts, and will be continuing his filming for another few weeks. As part of that filming he came to Eatonville, and filmed me for two hours. In doing so he revealed that he is doing a grand Cooper theme, and looking deeply into the Cooper Community - how it connects people, why we are so impassioned, why we go nuts sometimes, and how does it inform the societal dynamics of the nation, especially now when there is so much disconnection, despair, and loneliness.

Part of Dirk's interest is the emergence of so many youngins' coming to the Cooper table to feast - all the young podcasters, the dozens of aficionados who came to the conference and asked a ton o' good questions, and then traipsed over to the V-23 to drink beer and continue to talk and query us more senior members of Cooper World.

So, if Dirk is gonna do any of the editing, it won't commence until after the holidays. Hence, folks here won't see any conference footage until 2019, unless Vern and his crew have other plans.

For his part, Vern is clearly eager to be a key player in Cooper World. His presentation at the conference was sharp, smart, and on target. He was also very humble and announced to the audience when he began his Reca talk: "I know that much of what I'm going to tell you today will irritate many of you because it contradicts what you think is true. Nevertheless, it's the story I've got, and I trust my research."

He also asked me to advertise on the Mountain News, which I am considering. How I can allow such advertising to appear on the MN without it seeming to endorse Reca-as-Cooper, I haven't figured out, yet. Heck, I don't even advertise my book on the MN on a regular basis. So, this may shake things up for me...

Regardless, Vern Jones is much more than a "One-and-Done" kind of guy. He's here for the long haul. Fortunately, I enjoyed his company, and Dirk's immensely.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: EU on December 04, 2018, 11:45:41 PM
Vern Jones and his wife are from Michigan. Dirk is involved with Vern's Principia Media. Dirk will be in Arizona in a week filming both Tom Kaye and me for the upcoming documentary.

When I have the footage from the conference I'll make it available for all.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on December 05, 2018, 03:33:02 AM
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Conference Video Update

Shutter called me today to chat Cooper and the Reca Crew. In the course of events we spoke about the video that Vern Jones, the publisher of the Reca book, was making, and he suggested that I post what I know and what I'm anticipating in the near future.

Vern Jones is much more than just a publisher. As the owner of Principia Media he also has a sizeable videographing program, and two members of it, Dirk Wierenger and Dave Somebody filmed at the Conference. They produced over eight hours of high-quality footage. Now somebody has to edit it, add captions and such, and make it look professional. That's gonna take time.

Further, Principia, and Dirk Wierenga in particular, has a second DB Cooper project going, and that is taking up Dirk's time. In fact, he has been on the road filming Cooper stuff for a month or thereabouts, and will be continuing his filming for another few weeks. As part of that filming he came to Eatonville, and filmed me for two hours. In doing so he revealed that he is doing a grand Cooper theme, and looking deeply into the Cooper Community - how it connects people, why we are so impassioned, why we go nuts sometimes, and how does it inform the societal dynamics of the nation, especially now when there is so much disconnection, despair, and loneliness.

Part of Dirk's interest is the emergence of so many youngins' coming to the Cooper table to feast - all the young podcasters, the dozens of aficionados who came to the conference and asked a ton o' good questions, and then traipsed over to the V-23 to drink beer and continue to talk and query us more senior members of Cooper World.

So, if Dirk is gonna do any of the editing, it won't commence until after the holidays. Hence, folks here won't see any conference footage until 2019, unless Vern and his crew have other plans.

For his part, Vern is clearly eager to be a key player in Cooper World. His presentation at the conference was sharp, smart, and on target. He was also very humble and announced to the audience when he began his Reca talk: "I know that much of what I'm going to tell you today will irritate many of you because it contradicts what you think is true. Nevertheless, it's the story I've got, and I trust my research."

He also asked me to advertise on the Mountain News, which I am considering. How I can allow such advertising to appear on the MN without it seeming to endorse Reca-as-Cooper, I haven't figured out, yet. Heck, I don't even advertise my book on the MN on a regular basis. So, this may shake things up for me...

Regardless, Vern Jones is much more than a "One-and-Done" kind of guy. He's here for the long haul. Fortunately, I enjoyed his company, and Dirk's immensely.

The Reca-as-Cooper story is dog .... 

There has to be a limit to the amount of pure crap one can waste time on - under the DB Cooper umbrella!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 05, 2018, 04:12:06 AM
I don't think Reca is Cooper, but the Reca story is part of the bigger DB Cooper saga, and that makes it interesting. Even more interesting is what people do with it and why.

Reca was clearly in the woods of Cle Elum, WA on Nov. 24, 1971. The question is why.

Further, according to Vern Jones, Principia, and author Carl Laurin, Reca's life turned dramatically afterwards, becoming a hit man for the CIA.

Or he became a fascinating participant in an extraordinary charade. The pile of foreign passports was interesting to see and thumb through. Do I believe Reca was a hit man - no, not really. I don't think real assassins save their passports as kinds of souvenirs.

So why did Walter Reca? Vern says the passports have been authenticated. Really? Then WTF is going on here?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 08:11:02 AM
Vern Jones as joined this forum. perhaps we can get to the bottom of this story and see why he feels that most of the known evidence doesn't fit with what he's been presenting.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 11:13:14 AM
It's easy for "suspects" to have an interesting story, when data is mined by supportive people. We've seen that with Flyjack.

It's another thing to hold up under adversarial research.

Most of these "suspect" promoters wither under that, and finally resort to "Well something doesn't add up and he looks like the sketch, doesn't he?"

So you end up mostly finding out how people have different views of what proves what. Basically it becomes more of research into how people deciding that voting for someone like Trump made sense.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on December 05, 2018, 01:13:31 PM
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I don't think Reca is Cooper, but the Reca story is part of the bigger DB Cooper saga, and that makes it interesting. Even more interesting is what people do with it and why.

Reca was clearly in the woods of Cle Elum, WA on Nov. 24, 1971. The question is why.

Further, according to Vern Jones, Principia, and author Carl Laurin, Reca's life turned dramatically afterwards, becoming a hit man for the CIA.

Or he became a fascinating participant in an extraordinary charade. The pile of foreign passports was interesting to see and thumb through. Do I believe Reca was a hit man - no, not really. I don't think real assassins save their passports as kinds of souvenirs.

So why did Walter Reca? Vern says the passports have been authenticated. Really? Then WTF is going on here?

'but the Reca story is part of the bigger DB Cooper saga, and that makes it interesting. Even more interesting is what people do with it and why.'

hmmm, does that include the story of Frances the Mule?

Must all medical schools now teach Cow Mutilation and Alien Dissection?

How many degrees of separation before something is classified as insanity?



Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on December 05, 2018, 01:16:08 PM
Bruce wrote about Reca: "Or he became a fascinating participant in an extraordinary charade. The pile of foreign passports was interesting to see and thumb through. Do I believe Reca was a hit man - no, not really. I don't think real assassins save their passports as kinds of souvenirs."

Why on Earth would a spook assassin have a bunch of foreign passports WITH HIS REAL NAME ON THEM? All the passports I saw at Portland (and they looked 100% genuine, with many foreign entry stamps) had Reca's real name on them.

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on December 05, 2018, 01:17:02 PM
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Bruce wrote about Reca: "Or he became a fascinating participant in an extraordinary charade. The pile of foreign passports was interesting to see and thumb through. Do I believe Reca was a hit man - no, not really. I don't think real assassins save their passports as kinds of souvenirs."

Why on Earth would a spook assassin have a bunch of foreign passports WITH HIS REAL NAME ON THEM? All the passports I saw at Portland (and they looked 100% genuine, with many foreign entry stamps) had Reca's real name on them.

377

Why are diatoms on the money laughing?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on December 05, 2018, 01:25:05 PM
Georger wrote:

"hmmm, does that include the story of Frances the Mule?

Must all medical schools now teach Cow Mutilation and Alien Dissection?"


Mr. Ed undoubtedly infringed Francis's IP rights. Blevins is a champion for IP theft victims.

Alien dissection is real Georger. Just look on YouTube.

I liked the Reca people even though I disagree with their conclusions. I just loved the response I got when I challenged them on the flight path deviation of a mere 116 miles to Cle Elum: "We'd rather have the right guy than the right flight path" (said with a twinkle in their eyes while quaffing some really good IPA).

Gotta love the Vortex and its dwellers. Good times were had.

377



Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on December 05, 2018, 01:32:42 PM
I may have figured Reca out. A guy walks into a bar looking to hustle women. The women are jaded and skeptical, having heard dozens of stolen valor claims from old oafs claiming to be highly decorated Green Berets or Navy Seals. Reca pitches the James Bond secret assassin story. When an eyebrow is raised he pulls out a handful of foreign passports. Suddenly Reca is getting intense female attention.  The fake special ops guys at the bar wonder what's this guy got that I don't have?

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 04:37:05 PM
It's possible the passports are fakes (they could have been used even if fake)

Who authenticated the passports? Why did people decide they were valid?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 04:41:51 PM
I only see pics of US and British passports online.
What other countries were there? (and what years if possible)

The British passport doesn't have Reca's signature.
It says Frank Drinler or something on the signature page?

Anyone have more detail on the British passport
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 04:44:15 PM
I see one British passport and the rest US passports in this picture

The signature page on the British passport is now attached. Why is it not his name?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 04:48:57 PM
Has the british passport had a different photo pasted in?
There is 1/4 of a seal on the picture, but the rest of the seal doesn't show on the passport page?

The 1/4 seal is the lower right of the Reca photo.

zoom in on pic in post above, and comment?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 04:54:56 PM
here is a similar one...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 04:56:15 PM
I believe they have to have a raised stamp on them....
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 05:00:08 PM
Here is a pic that includes the CCCP id or whatever it is? (what is it?)

It has his name, and the picture is the same picture as in the British passport, so probably from same time period?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on December 05, 2018, 05:05:32 PM
I recall seeing a Saudi passport at Portland. Many others as well.

Can't swear they were authentic but they sure looked real. Obviously, many other country's immigration agents thought they were real as the passports were loaded with stamps, although those too could be faked I suppose.

Why would Reca get non US passports with his real name on them?

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 05:06:28 PM
CCCP 1978
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 05:08:38 PM
KR6 is KGB?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on December 05, 2018, 05:11:41 PM
https://www.therussianstore.com/cccp-kgb-identity-badge.html

https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/873311/fake-passport-signs-revealed

https://www.thedailybeast.com/isis-can-buy-uk-passports-on-the-deep-web-to-thwart-brexit-security

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 05:15:32 PM
very close
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 07:15:32 PM
Here's a match (black and white) for Rega's purported KGB id card
The photo is removed from this one.  It belonged to Oleg Gordievsky who defected.

Note the HK-4 in the upper right of the left image

Reka's card doesn't seem filled out correctly.
He only has his name on the right..the other lines are empty?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 07:18:53 PM
Reca's card, among other missing info, doesn't have what appears to be an authorizing official's signature on the right image, lower right?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 07:19:43 PM
4901 stamp doesn't look like it belongs...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 07:21:19 PM
The name on the right seems to be written by the same person who signed it on the left. you would think they would do everything except the signature?

Top left card has been cut..
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on December 05, 2018, 07:21:40 PM
So it's fake. But not worthless. Got him laid I'll bet. Good work Snow.

Carry on.

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on December 05, 2018, 07:24:49 PM
Wonder if Reca was a spy wannabe?

But he seems to have been a for real USAF PJ, and they'd make good spy/assassins. Serious special ops training.

Maybe he was just practicing, waiting for a real killer-spook job.

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 07:25:11 PM
 On the right side of Reca's card, his name is written.
But it isn't the nice Russian Cyrillic script ...I would think a bureaucrat creating these cards would have a nice script like the others.

and it bugs me that there's so many empty lines on Reka's.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 07:27:14 PM
I think Shutter noted this, but Reca's card has it signature vertically on the left
the other cards don't. (the b&w one I posted I think is an exact match, if you imagine the blank card? do people agree? The b&w one I posted I believe is authentic, from a KGB defector.)
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 07:30:06 PM
One would think the written name should also match the signature...it's not real by any means...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 07:30:16 PM
If the Soviet card is fake, then it makes it more likely the British passport was faked.
Did people see what I said about the different name on it's signature, and the odd 1/4 seal on the Reca photo?

I'd like to see how the Reca photo is on the passport. It's odd it has some kind of vertical seal or printing on it that matches the background?
But it also has a weird 1/4 seal.

And the signature is not Reca?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on December 05, 2018, 07:30:22 PM
Reca wasn't the typical 350 lb cammo couch potato special ops wannabe who amasses tons of guns, gear and acts like a serious SO dude, but mostly just eats, plays first person shooter video games and watches TV til 3 AM. Oh, and don't forget the monster jacked up tricked out 4WD diesel pickup truck.

He seems to have really had the training.

But the KGB ID is fake and maybe the passports are too.

Can't quite put it all together. Let's ask IBM to run it through Watson. Failing that I'll ask Snow.

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 07:32:18 PM
The whole thing looks like he played a spy for some years and somehow got caught up in the Cooper story and blended them together.

Stolen Espionage  :rofl:
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on December 05, 2018, 07:34:34 PM
You may have nailed it Shutter.

The forum is a meat grinder for suspects. They come is as USDA Prime steaks and exit as cheap hamburger.

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 07:38:54 PM
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If the Soviet card is fake, then it makes it more likely the British passport was faked.
Did people see what I said about the different name on it's signature, and the odd 1/4 seal on the Reca photo?

I'd like to see how the Reca photo is on the passport. It's odd it has some kind of vertical seal or printing on it that matches the background?
But it also has a weird 1/4 seal.

And the signature is not Reca?


don't quote me but I think they said he had different names (alias)....gotta have those to be a spy  ;)
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 07:47:07 PM
reading a collector's forum talking about fake kgb cards on ebay

one said
"Yes, they are faked, especially those for the KGB. A fairly easy job, especially if you have access to old paper stock. The easiest way to tell a fake is to see the same guy's picture on several documents- often under different names."
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on December 05, 2018, 07:51:29 PM
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Bruce wrote about Reca: "Or he became a fascinating participant in an extraordinary charade. The pile of foreign passports was interesting to see and thumb through. Do I believe Reca was a hit man - no, not really. I don't think real assassins save their passports as kinds of souvenirs."

Why on Earth would a spook assassin have a bunch of foreign passports WITH HIS REAL NAME ON THEM? All the passports I saw at Portland (and they looked 100% genuine, with many foreign entry stamps) had Reca's real name on them.

377

Why are diatoms on the money laughing?

Is there new information about diatoms?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 07:52:53 PM
someone noted that the real KGB id's seem to all have the beautiful script I noted, but Reca's doesn't

"3. The writing: All of the KGB documents of this type that I have seen have a beautiful script writing, almost like caligraphy in execution. this one looks like someone attempted to do it, but without success. The writing to me looks too...clumsy, I guess."
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on December 05, 2018, 08:17:16 PM
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I see one British passport and the rest US passports in this picture

The signature page on the British passport is now attached. Why is it not his name?

Three of these IDs contain the exact same photo. Likely they were made at the same time. I'd have a look at the paper they were printed on. Could have been made last year.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on December 05, 2018, 08:17:56 PM
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Here is a pic that includes the CCCP id or whatever it is? (what is it?)

It has his name, and the picture is the same picture as in the British passport, so probably from same time period?

You beat me to it.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on December 05, 2018, 08:30:41 PM
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very close

Shoddy glue-up job on Reca's doc. See how the photo corners are flush on the other ID? Walt's looks like his was made with scissors and a fifth of scotch. Did he ever work in a hotel? They tend to gather a collection of various passports over the years.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 08:41:04 PM
the top was cut on an angle....
The stamp doesn't appear to be authentic..Reca stamp on the right..
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 08:54:35 PM
The card an be obtained blank...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 09:20:36 PM
The link below show's a case of someone posing as a KGB agent. the photo no longer exist but the story remains..

http://www.solopassion.com/node/1268
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 09:49:03 PM
The profit from a Cooper suspect nowadays can be $100k

at one point is it fraud? Never. That's the beauty of DBC...everyone can mint money..even Blevins!
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 05, 2018, 09:50:18 PM
Just imagine if Cooper is found by someone..that number would probably skyrocket..
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 05, 2018, 09:52:22 PM
nice find Shutter.
I think Reca's is from the late 70's to early '80s era of KGB id's.
Who knows what people were doing then
But: it could be recent. who knows. Would have to examine physically closely.

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The card an be obtained blank...
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 05, 2018, 11:41:52 PM
One element that I would like to know more about is the 1.5 years that Reca supposedly spent in training with the CIA operatives who bailed him out of the DBC rap.

Vern made a brief reference to it, and said something like Reca said his " head was shaped." Vern mentioned it during a conversation about MKULTRA.

I like Shutter's and 377's reference to Norjak and CIA ops getting mixed together and ground into hamburger meat. Maybe it's all Total BS. Maybe Reca is the Biggest Wannabee we have seen to date. If so, that makes his appearance in Cle Elum tantamount to another money find at T-Bar.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 06, 2018, 12:39:29 AM
not really?

There is always a simple explanation for the money that works.
Cooper jumped near Portland, lost the money in the Columbia and it moved downstream and got dredged up.
A low-oxygen environment would preserve it in the river (under sand, say)

There is no explanation of Reca's jump story,  and the flight path, that makes sense.

So Reca is not a Tena Bar thing.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 06, 2018, 12:58:37 AM
Shutter posted an image before of another soviet doc..I'm not sure if it was Reca's

it's a trade union card I believe

I found a blank one on Ebay if someone needs to forge it for Reca
https://www.ebay.com/itm/153284151318
It's a bargain..you also get another blank work card thingee..

Note it's from 1986?

attached.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on December 06, 2018, 03:53:08 AM
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One element that I would like to know more about is the 1.5 years that Reca supposedly spent in training with the CIA operatives who bailed him out of the DBC rap.

Vern made a brief reference to it, and said something like Reca said his " head was shaped." Vern mentioned it during a conversation about MKULTRA.

I like Shutter's and 377's reference to Norjak and CIA ops getting mixed together and ground into hamburger meat. Maybe it's all Total BS. Maybe Reca is the Biggest Wannabee we have seen to date. If so, that makes his appearance in Cle Elum tantamount to another money find at T-Bar.

How about an inveterate liar-con artist mixed with dementia?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 06, 2018, 04:31:35 AM
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One element that I would like to know more about is the 1.5 years that Reca supposedly spent in training with the CIA operatives who bailed him out of the DBC rap.

Vern made a brief reference to it, and said something like Reca said his " head was shaped." Vern mentioned it during a conversation about MKULTRA.

I like Shutter's and 377's reference to Norjak and CIA ops getting mixed together and ground into hamburger meat. Maybe it's all Total BS. Maybe Reca is the Biggest Wannabee we have seen to date. If so, that makes his appearance in Cle Elum tantamount to another money find at T-Bar.

How about an inveterate liar-con artist mixed with dementia?

Yup, sounds about right. Now we need to figure out what Cle Elum means.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 06, 2018, 06:18:16 AM
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One element that I would like to know more about is the 1.5 years that Reca supposedly spent in training with the CIA operatives who bailed him out of the DBC rap.

Vern made a brief reference to it, and said something like Reca said his " head was shaped." Vern mentioned it during a conversation about MKULTRA.

I like Shutter's and 377's reference to Norjak and CIA ops getting mixed together and ground into hamburger meat. Maybe it's all Total BS. Maybe Reca is the Biggest Wannabee we have seen to date. If so, that makes his appearance in Cle Elum tantamount to another money find at T-Bar.

How about an inveterate liar-con artist mixed with dementia?


Today, you see more and more people acting like cops. they sometimes have cars fully loaded and then stolen valor with the military. I think Reca is the first generation of this. he played spy for a long time and somehow Cooper came into the picture. perhaps when he was asked if he was Cooper the story began. he's a basic con-artist but doesn't take advantage of people or steal. the only thing he tries to steal is your trust.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 06, 2018, 09:54:42 AM
I mentioned before how the interesting thing about DBC, is not DBC, but about how normal people in the USA want to believe stuff, or come to believe stuff.

I'm flabbergasted that at the Coopercon, these apparently normal people got up and told a Reca story, truly believing it.
And showed "evidence".

Yet apparently no one asked the basic question "How were the passports and id cards authenticated?"

It's like, when normal people stand up and say bullshit with a straight face, people just believe.

It's like the Marla thing, except there were no reports of physical beauty accompanying the bullshit this time?

I mean, really.

Why not just hire professionals to perform? They're much better.

And where's this Vern dude? Is he showing up here? I'm preparing the tar and feathers and it takes a while for the tar to heat up.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on December 06, 2018, 11:03:04 AM
Snow, can you find out if Reca was really a USAF Reserve Para Rescue Jumper?
I think the KGB ID and foreign passports are fake. So what other parts of his story are false? He doesn’t seem sharp like all the PJs I’ve known. There is info online about him being an accomplished sport jumper.
Might he have been just a grunt reservist and added the PJ flourish?

Spies probably do have fake passports. But not everyone with a fake passport is a spy. Georger logic. Comes in handy.

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: 377 on December 06, 2018, 11:17:32 AM
Snow wrote: “And where's this Vern dude? Is he showing up here? I'm preparing the tar and feathers and it takes a while for the tar to heat up.”

Don’t be mean Snow. The Reca crew are nice guys. They just haven’t been skeptical enough. Would you tar and feather Marla?

I’m not articulate enough to get this across as clearly as I’d like but somehow the Cooper legend offers losers, guys who haven’t made much of their lives, an opportunity to change all that in an instant. If you are Cooper you are competent, cool, daring, successful. Years of idle time were not evidence of sloth but rather laying low, staying under the radar. This reinventing of one’s self can also be done posthumously by a surviving spouse or relative.

Reca wanted to be remembered as a bad ass hero so he punched the Cooper button. And the spy button. And the hit man button. He papered it clumsily with fake documents some of which were not even filled in properly.

The irony is that a poorly crafted fake Cooper confession makes you an even bigger loser.

377
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Kermit on December 06, 2018, 12:18:32 PM
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Snow wrote: “And where's this Vern dude? Is he showing up here? I'm preparing the tar and feathers and it takes a while for the tar to heat up.”

Don’t be mean Snow. The Reca crew are nice guys. They just haven’t been skeptical enough. Would you tar and feather Marla?

I’m not articulate enough to get this across as clearly as I’d like but somehow the Cooper legend offers losers, guys who haven’t made much of their lives, an opportunity to change all that in an instant. If you are Cooper you are competent, cool, daring, successful. Years of idle time were not evidence of sloth but rather laying low, staying under the radar. This reinventing of one’s self can also be done posthumously by a surviving spouse or relative.

Reca wanted to be remembered as a bad ass hero so he punched the Cooper button. And the spy button. And the hit man button. He papered it clumsily with fake documents some of which were not even filled in properly.

The irony is that a poorly crafted fake Cooper confession makes you an even bigger loser.

377

Best post I’ve seen this year !
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 06, 2018, 12:56:06 PM
Facts don't require one to be articulate. Anyone can recite facts. Bullshit requires one to be articulate. Just recite the facts and how you know they are true.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 06, 2018, 01:08:20 PM
Everyone involved with Reca appear to be slime and deserve no special empathy.

The friend secretly taped Reca? Or did Reca know? If secretly, that's slimey.

A publisher who published without fact checking is another Blevins. Innocence claim by stupidity is nothing that deserves mercy.

This is not about Reca. It's about the living slime using his story.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on December 06, 2018, 01:58:26 PM
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Everyone involved with Reca appear to be slime and deserve no special empathy.

The friend secretly taped Reca? Or did Reca know? If secretly, that's slimey.

A publisher who published without fact checking is another Blevins. Innocence claim by stupidity is nothing that deserves mercy.

This is not about Reca. It's about the living slime using his story.

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Conclusion:  Triage in the DB Cooper critical care community has proven cost effective. The trend is positive especially as the average educational level of the population improves.   
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 06, 2018, 05:28:40 PM
The only matching British passport I could find was Audrey Hepburn's 1980's passport. no seal is on her photo.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 06, 2018, 06:28:26 PM
The document included comes from a site where I believe the document is blank? the way it's worded appears to be that way. it has the same stamp that I don't see on any actual KGB documents except Reca's....could something real fishy be going on here?


This blood red, rigid folding case opens to reveal special safety paper designed exclusively for the KGB imprinted with Cyrillic lettering for the KGB Credentials. With a case measurement (when folded) of 4 1/2-inches x 2 7/8-inches, the ID inserts measure 4-inches x 2 1/2-inches. The left ID features the KGB crest and a place for a photograph. The right ID has a location for a name and other personal information. Photographs of this document can be found in agency texts, but nowhere else is this KGB Credential offered to the public until now! We only have a Limited Quantity so don't hesitate. Add this KGB Credential to your collection today before they are all gone. This item is for collectible use only!
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Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: snowmman on December 06, 2018, 08:58:50 PM
Could the photo on the british passport not be Reca? Is there a usa passport with the same photo?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 06, 2018, 09:02:16 PM
USA passports are totally different and I haven't seen any type of stamp on the photo. mine doesn't either. the photo came from something that had a seal on it proving it's part of that document. then you look at the same photo on the KGB document and no seal is on it?
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 06, 2018, 09:03:35 PM
The name is different on the British passport and having a partial seal/stamp on it is evidence the photo doesn't belong on that document.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 06, 2018, 09:10:14 PM
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Could the photo on the british passport not be Reca? Is there a usa passport with the same photo?


I think the photo is real. it just doesn't belong on that document. who would accept that? the whole purpose of the stamp is to line up with the photo and the document..
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 06, 2018, 09:14:39 PM
when we were younger, under the drinking age of 18. the Florida DL had the photo on one side and the info on the other. you could cut it right down the side of the photo and put someone else's information that was close to your age and above the drinking age and laminate it for strength and you couldn't tell it was cut in half. worked every time.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Shutter on December 06, 2018, 09:22:09 PM
I've looked at a lot of KGB ID's and haven't seen any that have the red stamp like Reca's. the only one found appears to be the blank one you can buy. it's possible they had to fake the stamp so it wasn't 100%?

most have a black or blue stamp that doesn't look anything like the red one on Reca's KGB doc. then you have the misplaced signature and missing data (empty lines)

You would think that the signature would also match the name he wrote on the right side which is different than the signature.

Signature on left  is Walter R Reca
Name written on right is Reca W???...doesn't appear to be Walters. either way it doesn't match the left.

Also, none have a purple/blue number stamped on them anywhere like Reca's.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on December 06, 2018, 11:51:22 PM
The Gates DB Cooper program was rebroadcast tonight at 9 central time. It was kind of interesting to see it again.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 07, 2018, 01:14:31 AM
Gates? Please explain.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on December 07, 2018, 01:34:15 AM
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Gates? Please explain.

The DB Cooper program he did - https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/expedition-unknown/articles/meet-josh-gates
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 07, 2018, 01:44:56 AM
Ah, yes, Josh Gates.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on December 07, 2018, 01:46:20 AM
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Ah, yes, Josh Gates.

The program featured you, Meyer, and R99.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 07, 2018, 04:16:10 PM
Yup. Smile.

That was a good day, and a good shoot.
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on December 07, 2018, 05:47:56 PM
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Yup. Smile.

That was a good day, and a good shoot.

At the beginning Geoff Gray bore down hard suggesting - we have the whole Cooper description/profile wrong! He cited Gregory's description(s). That set the stage for the whole program. The same issue rings loud and clear to this day!

It's like dinner table conversation with the kids - what were the colors on that butterfly seen several days ago! ?    :)
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: Unsurelock on December 07, 2018, 05:51:27 PM
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Yup. Smile.

That was a good day, and a good shoot.

At the beginning Geoff Gray bore down hard suggesting - we have the whole Cooper description/profile wrong! He cited Gregory's description(s). That set the stage for the whole program. The same issue rings loud and clear to this day!

I agree. He seemed to take Robert Gregory's description as gospel while dismissing the rest, at one point referring to Cooper as "Leisure Suit Larry."
Title: Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
Post by: georger on December 07, 2018, 05:54:22 PM
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Yup. Smile.

That was a good day, and a good shoot.


At the beginning Geoff Gray bore down hard suggesting - we have the whole Cooper description/profile wrong! He cited Gregory's description(s). That set the stage for the whole program. The same issue rings loud and clear to this day!

I agree. He seemed to take Robert Gregory's description as gospel while dismissing the rest, at one point referring to Cooper as "Leisure Suit Larry."


agree - the disheveled Cooper, borrowed cloths?, quickly dressed? ............. clothes that didnt match ?  Maybe the whole uniform was picked up at Goodwill two days before as a front for the hijacking? 

Tom seems to be betting that wasnt the case?