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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #165 on: November 13, 2018, 09:30:25 PM »
Bill Mitchell just called. He welcomed the invitation to attend this year's conference but said he was not going to be able to attend.

Bill expressed to me that as time goes by he finds that he can't say much about the case without people twisting things he says and that it can be taxing.

I certainly can appreciate how those on the flight would be quite tired of the public fascination after 47 years.
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« Reply #166 on: November 13, 2018, 09:32:57 PM »
WOW. That is fantastic.

Maybe the Conference can go to Bill's? Sunday afternoon tea? Brewski's and watch the Seahawks....? He's just down the road from me....
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #167 on: November 14, 2018, 12:45:11 AM »
Galen just sent me this, and I thought it might be relevant to this discussion:


Looks like I won't be able to attend the conference, even though I would like to.  I trust you guys are going to have fun.  Just so you know, several $20 bill fragments were located about 50 yards downriver from where Brian Ingram's discovery was made.  I interviewed both brothers in person, at Tena's Bar, and their story made sense.  They were both in their early teens at the time, and they both were regular fishermen at Tena's Bar in 1980.  They found the fragments about a month prior to 2/10/1980.  They did not save the fragments, as there was no reason to do this.  But it does cause some further speculation as to the "fragment theory."  I believe that there were more than three packets buried, or, there was more than one burial location.  We know there were fragments, but the fragments discussed do not fit nicely into the "3 packets" found.  The edges of the bills of the 3 packets are consistent in their general pattern as observed.  The "$20" edges are worn off of the bills of the three packets.  But the brothers repeatedly told me that the fragments they observed had the "$20" on the edge of the fragments that they found.  Do you have any info as to what the fragments looked like?  Did any of the fragments have the "$20" on them?

Finally, if Snow attends, ask him what he thinks of Letter #3 appearing in the Montana Gazette.  I'd like his take.

Have a great conference and be sure to video tape it.
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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #168 on: November 14, 2018, 01:25:35 AM »
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Galen just sent me this, and I thought it might be relevant to this discussion:

Finally, if Snow attends, ask him what he thinks of Letter #3 appearing in the Montana Gazette.  I'd like his take.

Galen

The letter to the Oregonian was reprinted in the Billings Gazette (not the Montana Gazette) on 12/3/71
Who knows why it was printed there, when they didn't receive it, and not by the Oregonian, who did receive it.

Did any other papers get that picture, by wire service or something?

attached the picture from the Billings Gazette 12/3/71
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #169 on: November 14, 2018, 01:42:51 AM »
Galen and I think that the Feds picked the Billings Gazette because they were trying to smoke out any accomplices in central Montana associated with the Paul Cini skyjacking.
 

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« Reply #170 on: November 14, 2018, 09:48:34 AM »
if you look at the lower right of the snip I attached above, it was distributed by a service called "Photofax"...
in 1971 Photofax was somehow connected with the AP wire service

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it says in 1952, AP put into service a new kind of reception machine called PhotoFax.
It did not require manual operation and recorded pictures automatically one after another on a roll of paper

So: sure, Billings printed the picture. But the picture went out on the PhotoFax service.
Should be able to find others that may have used it.

I don't think any FBI theory makes any sense.

Small town newspapers are more likely to print the crazy news, I think.
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #171 on: November 14, 2018, 09:56:23 AM »
Yes, Billings was not the only paper to run the story.

The Santa Maria Times in Santa Maria, California, on 12/3/71 (the same day)
ran an article (they didn't run the picture)

The article is attached. It was on page 8.

They said the letter was sent to the Oregonian, and said
"Am alive and doing well in hometown, P. O."
"The system that beat the system" [which is incorrect: it said "The system that beats the system"]

Any idea that the FBI directed news articles, or was targeting something, is kind of ridiculous?
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« Reply #172 on: November 14, 2018, 10:02:20 AM »
Other papers that ran the story on 12/3/71

Independent, Long Beach, CA, page 9
The Capital Journal, Salem OR, page 7
The Desert Sun, Palm Springs, CA, page 3
Progress Bulletin, Pomona, CA, page 2
Reno Gazette-Journal, Reno, NV page 6
Vancouver Sun, Vancouver, BC, Canada page 40
El Paso Herald-Post, El Paso, Texas, page 12
San Francisco Examiner, San Francisco, CA page 34
The Billings Gazette, Billings, MT page 52

They ran articles that quoted the letter. Billings may have been the only place to run the photo.


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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #173 on: November 14, 2018, 10:22:40 AM »
The FBI memo that talks about the letter on 12/2/71 says that it was on yellow paper

The letter was constructed of letters clipped from a magazine and mounted on a piece of yellow paper, and reads "Am alive and doing well in home town P.O. The system that beats the system. D B Cooper." The letter was received in an envelope addressed to the "Editor-Oregonian, 1320 S.W.. Broadway 97201" postmarked P.M., December 1, 1971* U.S. Postal Service 970.


The FBI memo says they sent it to FBI labs
They got fingerprints to exclude people who had touched it.

The Reno Gazette and Vancouver received other letters at the same time (see memo)
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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #174 on: November 14, 2018, 10:45:38 AM »
I was reading up on the letters.

Saw that Letter #1 and Letter #2 both use "hospitality"
"Thanks for Hospitality" (mailed 11/27/71, arrives 12/29/71, printed 12/29/71 evening, letters from 11/26/71 Modesto Bee)
and
"Thanks for your hospitality" (mailed 11/30/71, printed 12/1/71

Interesting

So I looked in Sheridan's book for the word "hospitality"

It's used 4 times.

Example:

"And what am I to do for all this fine hospitality?" the reporter asked soon after arriving.


So I dunno what that means. Maybe just that people used that word more than you would expect.
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #175 on: November 14, 2018, 01:28:37 PM »
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if you look at the lower right of the snip I attached above, it was distributed by a service called "Photofax"...
in 1971 Photofax was somehow connected with the AP wire service

In this book on AP
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it says in 1952, AP put into service a new kind of reception machine called PhotoFax.
It did not require manual operation and recorded pictures automatically one after another on a roll of paper

So: sure, Billings printed the picture. But the picture went out on the PhotoFax service.
Should be able to find others that may have used it.

I don't think any FBI theory makes any sense.

Small town newspapers are more likely to print the crazy news, I think.


Small town newspapers are more likely to print the crazy news, I think. ... because it was a way of connecting small rural towns to the rest of the world ... in people's minds and in outlook. It was 'good for business'. A small rural town's cultural identity is sometimes set and supported by its area newsletter. [Should we tax farmers for a new highshool? What happened with the Titanic today - special bulletin today!]
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #176 on: November 14, 2018, 01:36:11 PM »
Grey quotes 3 other letters (apparently) that I've not found yet

you will never find me
give up
db cooper

And

I am right here portland and the $200,000 is for revolution

And

dear manager,
much of the credit for my success is yours,
I am departing very soon for foreign soil, flying
naturally, thanks again.

D.B. Cooper

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #177 on: November 14, 2018, 02:20:33 PM »
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Grey quotes 2 other letters (apparently) that I've not found yet

you will never find me
give up
db cooper

I am right here portland and the $200,000 is for revolution

that may be one or two letters

And

dear manager,
much of the credit for my success is yours,
I am departing very soon for foreign soil, flying
naturally, thanks again.

D.B. Cooper


One letter is here.. Revolution,,,  getting warm

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #178 on: November 14, 2018, 03:05:26 PM »
Thanks for the Revolution letter Flyjack

Interesting: it was postmarked 12/3/71
it's like there was a flurry of letters right around then

Can't see why people only pay attention to 4 of the letters.

attached the Revolution letter for posterity
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #179 on: November 14, 2018, 03:43:09 PM »
Found some details about the "Dear Manager" letter grey referenced in FBI lab reports, along with two other letters that I don't think have been mentioned



Specimens received 12/13/71 from Las Vegas

Q17 Envelope postmarked "HENDERSON, NV DEC 4 AM 1971," bearing hand printed address "Las Vegas Sun 13115  Highland drive Las Vegas, NV [can't read zip]"

Q18 Accompanying 3" by 5" card bearing newspaper cutouts beginning "I'm your hero," ending "Viva Las Vegas, "D. B. Cooper"

Specimens received 12/13/71 from Portland

Q19 Envelope postnarked "CLATSKANIE, OR DEC 6 AM 1971 97016"
bearing handwritten address <redacted> Clatskanie. Oregon 97016"

Q30 Accompanying sheet of paper cutout words beginning "Here! You share," ending "B. D. Cooper"

Specimens received 12/13/71 from Portland

Q31 Envelope postmarked "U.S. POSTAL SERVICE 770 PM 2 DEC 1971," bearing hand printed address "Mr. Airport Manager Portland Airport Portland, Oregon"

Q32 Accompanying one-page hand printed letter beginning "Dear Manager, much," ending "thanks again. D. B. Cooper

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