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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2018, 09:05:27 AM »
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I will reach out to Tina and Bill. I don't expect that they'll be interested, but, you never know.

I have a few pics they need to look at...
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2018, 02:06:12 PM »
Invite Tom Colbert, too.
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2018, 02:59:48 PM »
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Invite Tom Colbert, too.

Colbert texted me last night and mentioned that he will not be in the area on the 24th therefore will not be at the conference. He also mentioned that his team has disbanded which I didn't know. I did ask him to let me know if something changes with his schedule.
 
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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2018, 03:04:54 PM »
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Invite Tom Colbert, too.

Colbert texted me last night and mentioned that he will not be in the area on the 24th therefore will not be at the conference. He also mentioned that his team has disbanded which I didn't know. I did ask him to let me know if something changes with his schedule.
 

That said, Tom Kaye will be there and will speak to the particles found in 2008 and 2017.
 
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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2018, 04:41:35 PM »
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Invite Tom Colbert, too.

Colbert texted me last night and mentioned that he will not be in the area on the 24th therefore will not be at the conference. He also mentioned that his team has disbanded which I didn't know. I did ask him to let me know if something changes with his schedule.
 

That said, Tom Kaye will be there and will speak to the particles found in 2008 and 2017.

Excellent. That is very good news.
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2018, 04:42:37 PM »
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Invite Tom Colbert, too.

Colbert texted me last night and mentioned that he will not be in the area on the 24th therefore will not be at the conference. He also mentioned that his team has disbanded which I didn't know. I did ask him to let me know if something changes with his schedule.

I'm surprised. I wonder if his faith in Airborne Bob has been deflated.
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2018, 04:44:07 PM »
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I will reach out to Tina and Bill. I don't expect that they'll be interested, but, you never know.

I have a few pics they need to look at...

I hope you will be able to show them your pix in person at the symposium, Fly. Will you be attending?
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2018, 05:49:54 PM »
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Invite Tom Colbert, too.

Colbert texted me last night and mentioned that he will not be in the area on the 24th therefore will not be at the conference. He also mentioned that his team has disbanded which I didn't know. I did ask him to let me know if something changes with his schedule.

I'm surprised. I wonder if his faith in Airborne Bob has been deflated.

he told me about this several months ago...they have basically done everything that can be done as a team investigation wise..
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2018, 11:54:44 AM »
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I will reach out to Tina and Bill. I don't expect that they'll be interested, but, you never know.

I have a few pics they need to look at...

I hope you will be able to show them your pix in person at the symposium, Fly. Will you be attending?

Doubtful, a family member has to start Cancer treatment but if any eye witnesses are showing up I'll forward the pics to you...
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2018, 05:11:24 AM »
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I hope JT shows up. I had a great time debating Jerry regarding Cooper’s chances of surviving the jump. These debates took place one to one between symposium presentations. It was fun. Jerry could he pretty confrontational and harsh online but in person he was a cordial respectful gentleman. We both were qualified to opine and we differed 180 degrees on our conclusion. Jerry, a military jumper and survival trainer, said it would have taken a miracle for Cooper to have survived the jump. I saw things very differently.

Hey, let’s invite Amazon too.

Bradley Collins book is full of fact errors but his Dad Jack still is a possible candidate. Grifter, skydiver and the brother of an NWA 727 Capt. Decent resemblance to the sketches too. Bradley claims Jack was investigated by the FBI but I’ve not yet seen any FBI docs that confirm it.

What would forum folks like me to present? A rerun of my parachute talk and demo might be kinda old. Any suggestions welcome. I could talk about my jet jump, legal issues or other topics.

This mention of a radio possibly being provided to Cooper really fascinates me but I will
resist temptation and not start on a “what if” radio hypothetical.

I made 2 radio jumps last week. 31 contacts on the first and 28 on the second which was made from an exit altitude of 16,000 ft. Longest distance contact was about 100 miles, K6LEW in Carmel CA. Used a 3 watt VHF FM walkie talkie.

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2018, 10:01:20 AM »
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I hope JT shows up. I had a great time debating Jerry regarding Cooper’s chances of surviving the jump. These debates took place one to one between symposium presentations. It was fun. Jerry could he pretty confrontational and harsh online but in person he was a cordial respectful gentleman. We both were qualified to opine and we differed 180 degrees on our conclusion. Jerry, a military jumper and survival trainer, said it would have taken a miracle for Cooper to have survived the jump. I saw things very differently.

Hey, let’s invite Amazon too.

Bradley Collins book is full of fact errors but his Dad Jack still is a possible candidate. Grifter, skydiver and the brother of an NWA 727 Capt. Decent resemblance to the sketches too. Bradley claims Jack was investigated by the FBI but I’ve not yet seen any FBI docs that confirm it.

What would forum folks like me to present? A rerun of my parachute talk and demo might be kinda old. Any suggestions welcome. I could talk about my jet jump, legal issues or other topics.

This mention of a radio possibly being provided to Cooper really fascinates me but I will
resist temptation and not start on a “what if” radio hypothetical.

I made 2 radio jumps last week. 31 contacts on the first and 28 on the second which was made from an exit altitude of 16,000 ft. Longest distance contact was about 100 miles, K6LEW in Carmel CA. Used a 3 watt VHF FM walkie talkie.

377

Money at Tina Bar indicates it came from the River.  The money bag was securely tied to Cooper.  Soooo.... it's a clear possibility Cooper was (and is) in the River.  If so, he could not have survived.  The remainder of the money and bag and what's left of Cooper and the parachute(s) are still in the River.  Let's go find it!

Meyer

Not if the 3 packets were rubber banded as one bundle... game changer, dude.
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2018, 11:54:18 AM »
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The 2011 Symposium was a smashing success because of Geoffrey Gray.  He was peddling  his book on the cable book channels...he read passages from his book and explained a lot of things, on TV, lots of coverage, then he announced he was putting together a symposium where so many of the key players would be in attendance.  Well, that happened. He got Brian Ingram there, 377, Jerry Thomas, Twisty Butt, Santa Claus and on and on.

Without someone peddling a book or having some kind of "hook," I seriously doubt you will get a good turnout.  I think it would be great if Georger and R99 presented and summarized the quality research they have done for so many years.  The only hook I can think of is someone here willing to peddle their wares on TV and really promote the symposium, like Gray did.  Also, Josh Gates might be a great ally here and give us some press.  Try inviting him, he just might show up....

And it shouldn't be a repeat of 2011, the new stuff and new people need to be given time.  Invite Shutter to demo his simulation and talk about the forum here....invite Ralph H......maybe it's time for EU and Bruce Smith to kick things up a notch, go public, peddle their books, then really promote the seminar.  Smith has done the YouTube videos, they're quite good, he breaks things down in an understandable manner (take some lessons FLY) and showcases his knowledge.  Maybe start there, there's not much time to get 'er done.  IMO, a kicker is sorely needed.

Meyer

It's all about making certain that people have a good time. People will enjoy the conference if the info presented is credible and informative and provides for audience engagement and feedback. Tom Kaye, in particular, expressed to me that he is very interested in having the opportunity to more thoroughly address the particles and rare earth elements. The FBI closing the case in '16 will also be an interesting subject to discuss. The fact that the 50th Anniversary is fast approaching will also be noteworthy.

Personally, I really like the idea of a panel discussion that provides for a more free-flow format. I appreciate a more off-the-cuff and organic discussion.

All of this said, I think getting together the night before for food, drinks and conversation is sure to be a blast. It'll be interesting to discuss these issues face-to-face versus over the Internet.
 

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Re: 2018 DB Cooper Conference
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2018, 06:24:22 PM »
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I hope JT shows up. I had a great time debating Jerry regarding Cooper’s chances of surviving the jump. These debates took place one to one between symposium presentations. It was fun. Jerry could he pretty confrontational and harsh online but in person he was a cordial respectful gentleman. We both were qualified to opine and we differed 180 degrees on our conclusion. Jerry, a military jumper and survival trainer, said it would have taken a miracle for Cooper to have survived the jump. I saw things very differently.

Hey, let’s invite Amazon too.

Bradley Collins book is full of fact errors but his Dad Jack still is a possible candidate. Grifter, skydiver and the brother of an NWA 727 Capt. Decent resemblance to the sketches too. Bradley claims Jack was investigated by the FBI but I’ve not yet seen any FBI docs that confirm it.

What would forum folks like me to present? A rerun of my parachute talk and demo might be kinda old. Any suggestions welcome. I could talk about my jet jump, legal issues or other topics.

This mention of a radio possibly being provided to Cooper really fascinates me but I will
resist temptation and not start on a “what if” radio hypothetical.

I made 2 radio jumps last week. 31 contacts on the first and 28 on the second which was made from an exit altitude of 16,000 ft. Longest distance contact was about 100 miles, K6LEW in Carmel CA. Used a 3 watt VHF FM walkie talkie.

377

I agree, 377, that the goal for us should be to keep the conference fresh, current, and solid. On the parachute issue, ownership continues to be a Big Bugaboo. Perhaps we could sort that out a bit.

Also, I think it would be refreshing to have Ralph Hadley come up from Eagle Creek, OR. He knew Cossey and is a firm believer that the jump was doable. Plus, he's a skydiving champion. Perhaps a tandem presentation?

As for Bradley, he is pretty iffy as a public speaker. Remember, in 2013 he walked out of my interview because I pressed him too hard. He has near-zero tolerance of not being believed. Further, his more comprehensive story - and that of his 727 flying uncle - is quite dramatic. The 727 pilot committed suicide in Bradley's home and Brad discovered the body. Maybe Brad is ready to share all of this in a public forum. But it's a stretch.

Overall, I think we need a full presentation on all of the events since 2013, especially an analysis of the FBI closing the case, the arrival and swan song, apparently, of Tom Colbert and Airborne Bob, and the Reca-Wrecka Express. Plus, the 20 minutes of HC screen time Tina graced us with. I understand that she went out to dinner with the LMNO crew afterwards and "had a good time," according to PA Allison Berg.

I also would love to see an analysis of all the benefits and insights that have been established here on the Forum. This place, despite the Flame Wars that erupt every-other-week, is a valuable site for discovery and deposition. The Vault collection here is ten times more valuable than the mess over on the FBI's Cooper website. Perhaps that is Tom Colbert's most meaningful contribution to the Norjak investigation - collecting all those 302s and giving them to Shutter.

I would also love to see a presentation on the Flight Path. R99's contributions are a critical component of the attempt to understand what happened at T-Bar, and when. Perhaps Robert can make another trip up to Cooper Country in November.
 

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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2018, 07:08:55 PM »
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I hope JT shows up. I had a great time debating Jerry regarding Cooper’s chances of surviving the jump. These debates took place one to one between symposium presentations. It was fun. Jerry could he pretty confrontational and harsh online but in person he was a cordial respectful gentleman. We both were qualified to opine and we differed 180 degrees on our conclusion. Jerry, a military jumper and survival trainer, said it would have taken a miracle for Cooper to have survived the jump. I saw things very differently.

Hey, let’s invite Amazon too.

Bradley Collins book is full of fact errors but his Dad Jack still is a possible candidate. Grifter, skydiver and the brother of an NWA 727 Capt. Decent resemblance to the sketches too. Bradley claims Jack was investigated by the FBI but I’ve not yet seen any FBI docs that confirm it.

What would forum folks like me to present? A rerun of my parachute talk and demo might be kinda old. Any suggestions welcome. I could talk about my jet jump, legal issues or other topics.

This mention of a radio possibly being provided to Cooper really fascinates me but I will
resist temptation and not start on a “what if” radio hypothetical.

I made 2 radio jumps last week. 31 contacts on the first and 28 on the second which was made from an exit altitude of 16,000 ft. Longest distance contact was about 100 miles, K6LEW in Carmel CA. Used a 3 watt VHF FM walkie talkie.

377

I agree, 377, that the goal for us should be to keep the conference fresh, current, and solid. On the parachute issue, ownership continues to be a Big Bugaboo. Perhaps we could sort that out a bit.

Also, I think it would be refreshing to have Ralph Hadley come up from Eagle Creek, OR. He knew Cossey and is a firm believer that the jump was doable. Plus, he's a skydiving champion. Perhaps a tandem presentation?

As for Bradley, he is pretty iffy as a public speaker. Remember, in 2013 he walked out of my interview because I pressed him too hard. He has near-zero tolerance of not being believed. Further, his more comprehensive story - and that of his 727 flying uncle - is quite dramatic. The 727 pilot committed suicide in Bradley's home and Brad discovered the body. Maybe Brad is ready to share all of this in a public forum. But it's a stretch.

Overall, I think we need a full presentation on all of the events since 2013, especially an analysis of the FBI closing the case, the arrival and swan song, apparently, of Tom Colbert and Airborne Bob, and the Reca-Wrecka Express. Plus, the 20 minutes of HC screen time Tina graced us with. I understand that she went out to dinner with the LMNO crew afterwards and "had a good time," according to PA Allison Berg.

I also would love to see an analysis of all the benefits and insights that have been established here on the Forum. This place, despite the Flame Wars that erupt every-other-week, is a valuable site for discovery and deposition. The Vault collection here is ten times more valuable than the mess over on the FBI's Cooper website. Perhaps that is Tom Colbert's most meaningful contribution to the Norjak investigation - collecting all those 302s and giving them to Shutter.

I would also love to see a presentation on the Flight Path. R99's contributions are a critical component of the attempt to understand what happened at T-Bar, and when. Perhaps Robert can make another trip up to Cooper Country in November.

I've talked with Robert99 about his involvement at the conference, but I think he has some challenges that make it impossible. That said, I was planning on discussing his work briefly and summarizing his theory/findings.
 

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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2018, 08:02:39 PM »
Sounds good.

Robert is an old guy - older than me, even! But he was at T-Bar in 2016 for the TC shoot.